Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Jun 2013 12:05

^^^

Remote Mindset

Some times all it takes a gentle push, that makes people question the status quo.

Still the question that forms the bedrock of the article remains unanswered.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 Jun 2013 12:52

After the meet in Goa and LKAs tantrums, it was interesting to note what the rest of the politicians were doing. While most in the BJP were fixing, meeting chalking out various ends and doing rounds convincing LKA to come back or otherwise, NM was busy at a Dairy and Agricultural meet and enjoying interacting with delegates from many states. He was imbibing and learning. His tweets towards the same focussing on bringing technological change to increase productivity while at the same time learning from farmers and agriculturist's at the meet shows much about the person's focus and aptitude. He's a development guy, he's a man of ideas. IF he has not got them he is willing to learn and assimilate. In the similar vein when he met Madhu Kishwar for the 1st time a week or so ago, he talked to her about her views about Kashmir, the militancy, the motives behind it. The politics is secondary to him, governance and development is primary. He is ruthless with those that put development and governance second to the job of deliverance at hand. That is what the public is perceiving about this man. That is what the INC and others fail to see. If this man wins even one term it will influence the very way politics is conducted in this nation, away from the fixers and movers to those that will put deliverance, governance and development at the top of the agenda's. NM does not like playing the victim, he does not like playing an appeaser too. He is above that kind of nonsense. That is his forte and that is what the nation needs at this juncture.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Jun 2013 13:53

Latest India Today story on the Bihar morass... heartening if true, entertaining if not.

Nitish Kumar must quit as Bihar Chief Minister, says BJP as ministers stop work

Chandra Mohan Rai, a BJP minister in the Bihar government, has demanded Chief Minister Nitish Kumar's resignation if the JD-U splits from the BJP.

Adopting an aggressive stance when top BJP leadership is trying to contain the damage and cajole Nitish into staying into the alliance, Rai said since mandate given by voters of Bihar in 2010 was for the NDA, it would be right for Nitish Kumar to resign and seek a fresh mandate.

True. No? How can anybody argue with that logic? Reports also say that Bihar BJP is taking a tough line and wants a "No Nitish" condition to rival Nitish's "No NaMo" one. Nice.

Nitish has meanwhile invited six BJP ministers to his Janata Durbar in Patna on June 18. The move has raised eyebrows given that the JD-U is likely to announce its pull out from alliance on Saturday.

However, Dilip Verma, an independent MLA, claimed JD-U leaders approached offered me a minister's post if he supported the party. But Verma apparently refused. "I support Narendra Modi and the BJP has done right thing by projecting him. With the support of independents, Nitish cannot provide a stable government," he told reporters.

Wow. Where even independents talk 'principle' in refusing mantripad offers from Nitish... Nitish's position must be perceived as rather shaky only.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Jun 2013 14:48

15:04 US Congressional committee fiercely debate Modi visa issue: The issue of denial of visa to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi was fiercely debated by a key Congressional committee, with an influential Republican party lawmaker questioning the decision of the US government.

On the other hand, rights activists spoke in favor of continuing with the visa ban on Modi arguing that even though he has not been convicted so far, it is a fact that more than 2,500 people died "under his watch" and as such the United States is right in having a high moral ground on this issue. They also noted that the situation would change, if Modi were to be elected as the Prime Minister of India.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 14 Jun 2013 15:33

^ Modi should NEVER visit USA. They should dearly pay for this kind of behavior. Of course, we should make them pay in a way that won't adversely affect us.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 14 Jun 2013 15:45

Meanwhile....
Advani says Narendra Modi not automatic choice for PM

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Jun 2013 15:56

Vir Sanghvi's drenched dreams...

Manmohan's PV Narsimha Rao moment

Fun read especially towards the end where he starts to try too hard and it starts to show...

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 14 Jun 2013 16:19

Indians Should Separate Modi From the Message

Should the U.S. be taking economic lessons from India? Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich thinks so. Perhaps not from India as a whole, but at least from the booming western state of Gujarat, which has enjoyed 10 percent-plus growth under its controversial chief minister, Narendra Modi.

“If we had Gujarat’s growth rates over the last 10 years,” Gingrich told Modi in a recent Skype video conversation, “we would have been a lot healthier country than we are right now.”

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Jun 2013 16:24

ashashi wrote:Indians Should Separate Modi From the Message

Should the U.S. be taking economic lessons from India? Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich thinks so. Perhaps not from India as a whole, but at least from the booming western state of Gujarat, which has enjoyed 10 percent-plus growth under its controversial chief minister, Narendra Modi.

“If we had Gujarat’s growth rates over the last 10 years,” Gingrich told Modi in a recent Skype video conversation, “we would have been a lot healthier country than we are right now.”

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 14 Jun 2013 16:51

Hari Seldon wrote:Vir Sanghvi's drenched dreams...

Manmohan's PV Narsimha Rao moment

Fun read especially towards the end where he starts to try too hard and it starts to show...

You must make some allowence to him sir. He seems to have not visited Thailand in the resent past.

All because of this Evil Modi

who is forcing all Secular media people work over time. Cusrsed fellow not giving any time for Massage also.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 14 Jun 2013 17:07

A copy of another India Today story that has disappeared -

Asif Ibrahim as IB chief: A political move that came to haunt Congress - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_lk5cg ... w?sle=true

Source https://twitter.com/sureshnakhua/status ... 7520488448

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Jun 2013 17:19

NDTV opines... good read, for a change.

At break point, a look at what Nitish Kumar has against Narendra Modi

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 Jun 2013 17:58

kmkraoind wrote:Art is really a talent. This guy, Kureel excels in it, both with ideas and presentation.

One thing is clear. That idiot Nitish will have no guts to pull out. The moron is addicted to power and he knows he will get 5 seats in 2014 and laloo will tear him into pieces next election if he splits with BJP. If he focused on development rather than paki visits, drama and working hard to get Imran Khan's creticate, people would have supported him. But this guy is consumed with too much drama and little performance.

I know BJP will be hurt in 2014. But they should tell him to go to hell and start Bihar bandhs and aggressively destroy this termite. He is eating BJP from outside while the Oddvani is eating it from inside.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 Jun 2013 18:04

Pratyush wrote:^^^

Remote Mindset

Some times all it takes a gentle push, that makes people question the status quo.

Still the question that forms the bedrock of the article remains unanswered.

Razi’s constitutional impropriety came in for withering criticism from both the opposition and media, with even the Supreme Court stepping in to advance the date for the confidence vote. But just as criticism mounted, word went around that Sonia Gandhi was ‘unhappy’ with the Jharkhand Governor (the ‘unhappy’ High Command later shifted him to Assam, where he was subsequently fired after the CBI booked his Jharkhand staff for corruption). But this new ‘angle’ had passed me by, though most of my other reporter colleagues had already changed track. Just as I was gearing up for another ‘live’ report from in front of Mrs Gandhi’s residence, my boss literally stood before me and ordered me to spin the story around ‘Sonia is unhappy’ as a theme. I was left with little choice. Sonia had not issued a statement. Yet the story had irrevocably changed. The next morning, even the print media was full of the same spin.

I realised what I should have known earlier: for the beat reporter, it is simply not possible to exercise independent judgement while covering such events. The person on the ground does not shape the news, at least not in the TV broadcast media.

Stories impacting Sonia’s image are carefully choreographed right at the top, at the level of promoters and editors who are on first-name terms with key Congress functionaries such as Ahmed Patel. But Patel, the consummate spin doctor, also has a line with beat reporters; they need each other in the demanding 24x7 news cycle where a single ‘untutored’ line could damage the Congress President’s image. It is a tradeoff that works well for both. While the lowly reporter can impress his bosses by claiming he has knowledge of closely-held developments, Patel gets to ensure that Sonia’s image remains unsullied.

And if you work for a friendly channel and scrupulously adhere to the rules of the game, he could spring a surprise or two by gracing your marriage celebrations—not alone but with Congress Vice-President Rahul Gandhi. Recently, to the utter surprise of journalist colleagues, both made an appearance at the marriage celebrations of a ‘lowly’ Congress beat reporter, whose stock was sent soaring among his network bosses.

amitvora · Post by **amitvora** » 14 Jun 2013 18:13

Just read on a gujarati News paper (akilaindia.com).

"Gujarat Congress leaders are asking Ahmed Patel (who is a close confident of Sonia and a Gujarat Congress individual) to declare early elections, so Modi does not have time to prepare. They are afraid of Modi having enough time and kicking their butts.
There are about 150 congressis who have asked for early elections for fear of Modi. They do not want Modi to have enough time to reach all the populations. Sonia has agreed and believes that they should stop him from emerging as a popular leader if elections are given early.. Sonia has agreed with Ahmed Patel who is also their political adviser. Elections might happen around Diwali (October - December)."

munna · Post by **munna** » 14 Jun 2013 18:20

amitvora wrote:Just read on a gujarati News paper (akilaindia.com).

"Gujarat Congress leaders are asking Ahmed Patel (who is a close confident of Sonia and a Gujarat Congress individual) to declare early elections, so Modi does not have time to prepare. They are afraid of Modi having enough time and kicking their butts.
There are about 150 congressis who have asked for early elections for fear of Modi. They do not want Modi to have enough time to reach all the populations. Sonia has agreed and believes that they should stop him from emerging as a popular leader if elections are given early.. Sonia has agreed with Ahmed Patel who is also their political adviser. Elections might happen around Diwali (October - December)."

Plausible but no possibility of any concrete action until June end. A very interesting fog of war and has come to envelope the BJP and its actions. The intended or unintended phenomena has kept many a parties to the game content that they will eventually have their way. So let us wait a few more days before we see anything actionable. But this line of thinking is definitely being thought about!!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 14 Jun 2013 18:28

vivek.rao wrote:Stories impacting Sonia’s image are carefully choreographed right at the top, at the level of promoters and editors who are on first-name terms with key Congress functionaries such as Ahmed Patel. But Patel, the consummate spin doctor, also has a line with beat reporters; they need each other in the demanding 24x7 news cycle where a single ‘untutored’ line could damage the Congress President’s image. It is a tradeoff that works well for both. While the lowly reporter can impress his bosses by claiming he has knowledge of closely-held developments, Patel gets to ensure that Sonia’s image remains unsullied.

This is a common issue everywhere I guess. reporters will be cut out of access for negative report and might lose jobs. only big guys who don't have to worry about that can write negatively and they are outright bought.

one or two stragglers remain outside this and they are easily discredited as biased. nice rigging.

amitvora · Post by **amitvora** » 14 Jun 2013 18:43

Gus wrote:
vivek.rao wrote:Stories impacting Sonia’s image are carefully choreographed right at the top, at the level of promoters and editors who are on first-name terms with key Congress functionaries such as Ahmed Patel. But Patel, the consummate spin doctor, also has a line with beat reporters; they need each other in the demanding 24x7 news cycle where a single ‘untutored’ line could damage the Congress President’s image. It is a tradeoff that works well for both. While the lowly reporter can impress his bosses by claiming he has knowledge of closely-held developments, Patel gets to ensure that Sonia’s image remains unsullied.
This is a common issue everywhere I guess. reporters will be cut out of access for negative report and might lose jobs. only big guys who don't have to worry about that can write negatively and they are outright bought.

one or two stragglers remain outside this and they are easily discredited as biased. nice rigging.

I guess this settles it. http://www.medianewsline.com/haryana-da ... g-stories/

The journalists are asked not carry story against Sonia or Rahul. If they do, they are immediately fired.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 14 Jun 2013 19:59

Pratyush wrote:^^^

Most of the readers are a bunch of ignorant idiots. I see it every day, wherever I go.

INC has succeeded by confusing most of the urban India through the use of sold out media. The task of Modi is cut out for him. I fear that all our wishes and prayers may not bee enough for him to overcome the odd that have been stacked against him.

NaMo will loose onlee

No. Thankfully, those uber cool ignorant idiots of posh cities aren't as frequent, bulk voters as the village and sub-urban folks.
But then rural and sub-urban folks are prone to guys like Lalu. It is always a tight rope walk in India. One has to pick the Lotus from amidst the mud. I hope the Indian voter will accomplish that with success.

Regards,
Virendra

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 14 Jun 2013 20:11

While the rest of the gang are attacking Modi on various fronts and movers and fixers calculate political targets, alliances, angles..whats our man NM doing today? Here is a sample:

June, 14, 2013: Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, to spread the light of education in all the villages of Gujarat, has appealed villagers, teachers and schools to be bound with emotional attachment with each other and to develop this quality in the children from their childhood. The Chief Minister on the second day of statewide three-day Girl Child Enrolment drive visited Devavata, Bantwa and Meghalpur villages of Sojitra taluka of Anand district and enrolled students of these villages to the primary schools which are more than 100 years old in age.

He urged the teachers and parents to develop the quality of curiosity in children for their all-round development. Teachers should be well prepared to satisfy their curiosity. Children should be taught in such a way that they develop the feeling of affection and love for their school and teachers, he added

And that is what the people see and why the wave continues to become stronger.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Jun 2013 20:22

Virendra wrote: One has to pick the Lotus from amidst the mud.

Saar this is too good . Hope some one can message this to someone in the NaMo team.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 14 Jun 2013 20:48

Looks like LoL Purush and Mandali wouldn't give up easily. Some disciplinary action is must now.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 14 Jun 2013 20:58

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Jun 2013 21:01

US lawmaker bats for Modi against visa ban
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 592900.cms

These guys see that Modi has a great chance of becoming PM, so are trying to sneak into his backside now itself.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 Jun 2013 21:03

I am hoping ugly crook Nitish breaks up soon and Modi can rip that SOB into
Pieces.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 14 Jun 2013 21:27

Vivek ji,
Please be mindful, Nitish/BJP breakup may cost NDA anything from 0 seats to 20 seats. That risk, can be mitigated if Nitish remains and BJP does what it must and should - Like have your cake and eat it too ya how we use to say, saap bhi mar jaye aur laathi bhi na tute.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 14 Jun 2013 21:28

बिहार में मोदी बनाना चाहते हैं भाजपा की सरकार

http://visfot.com/index.php/news/specia ... -1306.html

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 21:32

From the above article:

However, the economic argument did not impress two of the panelists who took the question; both placed human rights over material progress. "As someone who believes very passionately that accountability is part of how we advance and embed human rights globally as a standard to which all countries need to live up to, I am reluctant to look at progress under minister Modi in the economic sphere and say that that progress sort of covers or excuses very grave concerns and shortcomings as they relate to human rights," said Katrina Lantos Swett, chair, US commission on international religious freedom (USCIRF), whose recommendation to the state department, along with pressure from liberal-left Indians and Indian-Americans, has resulted in the continued ban on Modi visiting US.

Swett, however, conceded that "if he (Modi) were to become the head of state, that becomes a different situation."

"You have to deal with that. Each nation, each sovereign nation, has the right to choose their own head of state. We know that, for example, in Iran, you know, they've elected as president somebody that we take a rather dim view of in this country for two terms. But you have to, you know, sort of contend with that reality, should it come to pass," she said.

She was supported by Georgetown University's Thomas Farr, who said in the tension between religious freedom and American interests, the least Washington could do was deny Modi a visa to visit US to make its point about human rights.

However, he too conceded that "if this guy is going to be the prime minister of India, that's something we have to pay very close attention to" besides weighing US economic interests in Gujarat.

Just a note on "Dr. Katrina Lantos"., she is the daughter of late Tom Lantos., US Congressman

Under Dr. Lantos Swett’s leadership as President and CEO, the Lantos Foundation has quickly become a distinguished and respected voice on many key human rights concerns ranging from rule of law in Russia and Internet freedom in closed societies to the on-going threat of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial. The Foundation also supports human rights defenders around the globe through its Front Line Fund and runs the Lantos Congressional Fellows program in conjunction with Humanity in Action. Each year the Lantos Foundation awards the Lantos Human Rights Prize to an individual who has demonstrated a commitment to standing up for decency, dignity, freedom, and justice. Past recipients have included His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Professor Elie Wiesel, and Paul Rusesabagina.

And on Farr:

Dr. Farr serves on the Board of Trustees of the First Freedom Center, the Boards of Advisors of the John Templeton Foundation and the Alexander Hamilton Society, and the Boards of Directors of the Institute on Religion and Democracy and Christian Solidarity Worldwide-USA. He is a recipient of the Jan Karski Wellspring of Freedom Award, presented by the Institute on Religion and Public Policy for contributions to religious freedom. His wife, Margaret McPherson Farr, is a watercolor artist. They are Roman Catholics and have three daughters and nine grandchildren.

So "Human Rights in Gujarat all boils down to freedom to convert without questions".

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 21:34

^^ Nobody has taken Dr. Swett to task on what the "grave concerns relating to human rights" are!

And Mr. Farr should not be on the chair in first place., having promulgated the strategic nuclear policy of US.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 21:47

vivek.rao wrote:I am hoping ugly crook Nitish breaks up soon and Modi can rip that SOB into
Pieces.

It would not happen. BJP is blowing hot/blowing cold policy has put the ball squarely in NiKu's court. If he leaves., he will damage BJP but the damage to NiKu will be even greater and become a pariah. Like the proverbial "dhobi ka kutta".

What NiKu is looking for is a face saving formula., complicated by the fact that the local BJP unit is in no mood to give additional quarters.

This drama will continue and will be a side show for the next year till election time., everybody is testing waters.

Modi's focus is rightly on UP. The mother lode of seats. If (and only if) they can strike 60 in UP., they can get upto 160 seats from the BiMaRU + Guj + C'grh itself. And by the way, that means CONgis are wiped out from the heart land.

BJP has to win the hindi heartland and CONgis have to lose the southern states (AP, TN) and Mah and Didi has to retain WB. That is game over for CONgi.

Amit has rightly categorized that the road to Delhi goes through Lucknow. This guys have done their homework well. CONgis are scared because they do not have any strategy other than NREGA/FSB and a pliant media with destruction of institutions.

What a fall for the CONgis.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 14 Jun 2013 21:51

There will always be people like Dr. Latrina Kantos, I don't think we should care about it too much. There is an episode in South Park which accurately describe how the country doublespeaks on any issue. Am sure there is a guy who takes the opposite view of Dr Latrina. Depends on the ascent of Modi their career too will move up or down.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 21:54

^^ Of course. There is double speak and at the end it is all about money., even Dr. Latrina Kantos acknowledges that.

It is just that desis are pappus., what stops a desi (other than big money and some GOI support) to start another org and look into US HR issues? Desis should start taking leadership of HR industry going outward rather than ignore HR industry thrusts coming inward.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 14 Jun 2013 21:59

Don't underestimate Congress. They're pretty much telling the jihadis next door that you can come in and take your best shot on Modi. We'll penalize anyone who stands in your way. Do you really expect the entire corrupt architecture to go so easily? A lot of money, jail time, and executions lie in wait for them if Modi comes to power. They've butchered whistleblowers, religious figures, started riots, etc. I am sure Modi has an insurance policy but when you are forced to flee and have nothing to lose the corrupt will go to the extreme.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 22:00

Read the news in hindi., in short (my hindi-to-english txln is bad).,

Moves are afoot by NaMo and team to break the JD(U) in Bihar. SuMo is giving full support to his leader (NaMo). NiKu is calling his flock of MLAs to his home (so that he can keep eye on them and know his support level) in the meantime NaMo per grapevine has directly talked with 24 MLAs from JD(U).

My take, depending upon the MLAs showing up at NiKu's home., he will take a decision to "split" or "not to split"., this is actually true democracy at work

., if the JD(U) mlas do not have faith in their leader - then they will not come home - fall sick or go for partying or something like that and NiKu will realize his level of support and act accordingly. If NiKu continues to be with BJP after the "cows come home" meeting., he will be a lame duck CM and practically his days are over.

Hunting season.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 14 Jun 2013 22:04

disha wrote:^^ Of course. There is double speak and at the end it is all about money., even Dr. Latrina Kantos acknowledges that.
It is just that desis are pappus., what stops a desi (other than big money and some GOI support) to start another org and look into US HR issues? Desis should start taking leadership of HR industry going outward rather than ignore HR industry thrusts coming inward.

Saar, from the same article

whose recommendation to the state department, along with pressure from liberal-left Indians and Indian-Americans, has resulted in the continued ban on Modi visiting US.

OT: Why this predilection to be more sickular than masa hipsters?

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 22:05

RoyG wrote:Don't underestimate Congress. They're pretty much telling the jihadis next door that you can come in and take your best shot on Modi. We'll penalize anyone who stands in your way. Do you really expect the entire corrupt architecture to go so easily? A lot of money, jail time, and executions lie in wait for them if Modi comes to power. They've butchered whistleblowers, religious figures, started riots, etc. I am sure Modi has an insurance policy but when you are forced to flee and have nothing to lose the corrupt will go to the extreme.

I forgot., CONgis have Jihadis as their trump card., no doubt all the molly-coddling of LeT.

So CONgis cards NREGA/FSB/Paid Media and the trump card Jihadis (with evanjihadis as subset).

CONGis should read mahabharata - particularly the story of Kamsa. Became tyranical to preserve self.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Jun 2013 22:11

saravana wrote:
whose recommendation to the state department, along with pressure from liberal-left Indians and Indian-Americans, has resulted in the continued ban on Modi visiting US.
OT: Why this predilection to be more sickular than masa hipsters?

Those are the stooges (like jokers in the pack) that can be sprinkled anywhere. Can easily bought for a some green backs, cards and a promise to be "chair" of some humanities in some high falutin named college (like Chair of the international humanities, berkeley college of humanities, Stamford) and people will fall over.

Have you been to Indian consulate anywhere in US? Go there and ask some desi looking people (and not ABCD) applying for tourist visas to India about how they got US visa. Several of them would have got it on "asylum" category - and technically if they are caught trying to go back to India, they will lose their "asylum" category. Does US publish that number - asylum seekers from India? Same for Aus. or Europe (Norwegian countries). This are the guys who are useful jokers. They came to US to escape crushing poverty and a better standard of life. That is why NaMo is dangerous., that spigot with useful jokers will be easily turned off.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 14 Jun 2013 22:17

fanne wrote:Vivek ji,
Please be mindful, Nitish/BJP breakup may cost NDA anything from 0 seats to 20 seats. That risk, can be mitigated if Nitish remains and BJP does what it must and should - Like have your cake and eat it too ya how we use to say, saap bhi mar jaye aur laathi bhi na tute.

Understood. But this crook and Oddvani group games can cost BJP 40-60 seats with nautanki, uncertainty and opportunity for paid media crooks/con maino clan to beat up BJP.

That characterless crook Nitish wants to have the cake (get BJP vote base) and eat it too (keep bashing Modi). That will send a very confused signal to a lot of people. The crooks Nitish & Oddvani can play this game of hide&seek until last day that will result in BJP getting 100 seats.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 14 Jun 2013 22:20

disha saar, Wow, this is completely new to me! On what basis of persecution did they get asylum status? It will be great if you can explain more here or in a more appropriate thread.
No wonder everyone is petrified of Modi. So much muck and cobwebs due to the Congress rate of growth and governance. And every vested interest is making sure he doesn't get the chair. Maybe I am hoping too much but this election is for the soul and future of India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Jun 2013 22:25

Sushupti wrote:

Thanks Sir, The words of a true Mahdi !!