Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[ramana]

Ishrat case: Home Ministry not convinced CBI has proof against IB officer

http://www.ddinews.gov.in/National/Nati ... an+CBI.htm

So CBI is an independent free agent that is targetting IB? Under whose direction is it acting?

[sudarshan]

I tried starting a little email fire. We'll see how it goes. Ashok saar, mail went out before I saw your ack request. Hope you don't mind.

[Ashok Sarraff]

I tried starting a little email fire. We'll see how it goes. Ashok saar, mail went out before I saw your ack request. Hope you don't mind.

Was just kidding, sir.

[johneeG]

If from 18 June to 28 th June UK Govt evacuated 1,00,000 stranded persons that amounts to 10,000 persons per day. So evacuating 15,000 is not a big task, esp. for those who specialise in DM. It may not mean taking all of them to their home in Gujrat. It means taking them to safety and providing basic relief. There was an announcement by NR that UK Disaster Victims can board trains at Dehradun and go anywhere in country free of cost, presumably after NaMo wrote to them. I have not seen any statement/claim from NaMo or from Gujrat Govt that they evacuated only Gujratis or that they indeed evacuated 15,000 people. But it need not be from Kedarnath alone, wide area was affected and people from several places could have been brought to safety.

But one needs to question how come UK govt did evacuation of 10,000 per day with less than 40 Heli and no helipad at their command in disaster area and had to be constructed and victims had to trek to reach helipads in difficult circumstances. This is while their incompetence has been demonstrably established. So if that figure is not doubted then I see no reason to doubt earlier claim when effectiveness of GA is well known. Do we have figures how many buses or other means of transport such as Car /truck/Bullock-kart /tricycles/Bicycles etc were engaged on nonexistent roads excluding Helis by UK Govt to transport 1,00,000 people. Most of them were seen taking Bus No. 11 with perosnalised self propulsion.

But the whole debate is a cruel joke on Victims going by the eyewitness account and statements of poor hapless victims. Any help would have been better if delivered quickly.

+108.
I think the reason, some people are surprised by the figure of 15,000 is, because they are underestimating the scale of this tragedy. I am of the view that official figures of casualties and people stuck is very conservative. The actual figures may be much more. Initially, the casualty figure was 5000, then it was doubled to 10,000. That shows that the official figures are simply unreliable. One need not be surprised if the actual figures are around 20,000 - 30,000(or even more) casualties. In fact, as the evacuation progressed, the rescue teams discovered newer spots where more people were trapped. So, they had no idea of the total number of people who were trapped and number of people who are dead. Those are only conservative estimates.

You have rightly pointed out that given the incompetence on display by the UK Govt., it is their figures which are unreliable. If they are claiming to have saved 1,00,000 people, then maybe media would do well to ask some tough questions whether this figure is really genuine or just a face saving estimate. For 2 days immediately after the floods, the Govt(both state and center) played down the tragedy. Then, the reports started pouring and finally, the Govt was forced to take the help of Army.

On the ground, it is only the army that is doing the work. UK Govt has failed spectacularly. Yet, they reject the help offered by the various other state govt.s or institutions. Already, there are reports that epidemics may be spreading in the area. So, really tough time ahead for the UK because this Govt is unlikely to learn from its mistakes. And once the media focus is gone, the people will be left to fend for themselves. Infact, many people have complained that they were left to fend for themselves even during this crisis.

Coming to Modi's effort, one thing that is undeniable is that regardless of the actual number that was saved by Modi, Modi's presence created sensation among the political class and woke them up. Immediately, others tried to play catch up, if not for nothing, then at least to score political brownie points or to save their faces in public.

For ex, after Modi's effort, CBN of AP went to Dilli and helped the victims from AP state. CBN was abroad. He returned immediately after Modi's action and tried to help the people. CBN's effort did help many people. Then, when CBN started getting positive reviews from all quarters in AP, the kongis jumped in with their mud-slinging. Finally, seeing no other recourse, they tried to put up some pretense of having done something. (This resulted in the TDP and Kongis having a public brawl in dilli airport).

Similarly, after Modi's action, the kongi high-command had to do something(especially with all those 'where is pappu' tweets doing the rounds). So, the pappu returns from his european sojourn and italian flags off the help for victims in front of huge media hoopla. Then, pappu goes on a carefully sanitized and guided tour of Guptkashi. There, he tries to explain(for the TV audience), why he had not come earlier. Of course, he met bitter reception. And the trucks flagged off by the italian did not even reach the destination. Worse, the kongis were not aware that it did not reach. They just didn't care.

And finally, it put pressure on the UK govt. to pull up its socks. And it seems, after Modi's visit, the UK govt. became more serious about the tragedy. Of course, it still was inept because they people are simply incapable of implementing proper administration.

So, Modi's visit was good for the people because it pushed the politicians to act. Instead, of merely taking aerial rides. Nothing wrong with taking aerial rides to see firsthand the problem. But, that in itself is not a solution. It should not become a charade. Unfortunately, with kongis, everything is a pretense... everything is about publicity, and vote catching.

If we do number crunching:
80 innovas: if 8 people per innova -> 640 people per trip.
25 luxury buses: if 75 people per bus -> 1875 people per trip.
4 boeing planes: if 400 per boeing -> 1600 per trip.

So, 4115 per trip.
If 2 such trips are taken: 8230.
If 3 such trips are taken: 12,345.
If 4 such trips are taken: 16,460

4 trips spread over 2 days... 2 trips per day.

So, to me, 15,000 is very much a possibility.

It seems Guj. Govt is saying that they did not count the number of people and did not ask people about their region or caste or any such thing while saving them. Victims who were saved have corroborated this on twitter. Of course, it is possible that they may have concentrated their efforts towards those areas where the Gujjus were trapped. Then, saved as many people in that area as possible.

Why concentrate on those areas where Gujjus are trapped?
Because Gujjus(particularly the relatives of the trapped victims) would contact the state govt and tell them where the people are trapped and waiting for rescue. So, these people were the ones that the team from Guj was in contact.

They may have given these people instruction on where to reach, so that they can be picked up and rescued.

Similarly, many people may have been picked up from Gauchar base and sent to Chandigarh or Dilli. And Gujjus may have helped to reach their homes from Chandigarh or Dilli.

So, adding all these numbers, I think 15,000 is really not an unbelievable figure. It is certainly more believable than the claim of inept UK govt. figure of 1,00,000(i.e. 10,000 per day).

^And kindly credit Ashok Sarraff for igniting the fire

Saar,
are you sure you want that kind of attention?

[Muppalla]

Ishrat case: Home Ministry not convinced CBI has proof against IB officer

http://www.ddinews.gov.in/National/Nati ... an+CBI.htm

So CBI is an independent free agent that is targetting IB? Under whose direction is it acting?

Massive conspiracy and future coverup based activity is being cooked. It all has to backfire but it is a real kaliyug and only divinity has to come and save if it does not backfire.

[Ashok Sarraff]

^Just keeding, saar.

[ramana]

JohneeG,

Then, pappu goes on a carefully sanitized and guided tour of Guptkashi.

You mean gupt tour of Guptkashi?

[Manish_Sharma]

^

Don't remember if it was aaj tak or ibn7, but reporters were telling when rahul was talking to people SPG and congis kept media out of even earshot. So they turned towards some villagers on periphery, immediately villagers started saying "he should come inside the village, we're standing 3 kms. outside the village only then he(rahul) will be able to see the damage and condition of village".

So what congis did is they gathered few villagers outside the village and had them meet rahul. While as soon as the news spread in the village 'murdabad of rahul' started.

[Sagar G]

Bhagwat must have given some awesome kind of dose to Advani that he seems to be making some right noises now. His "spat" with Omar is interesting. BJP Bihar unit is also busy giving the right kind of treatment to Bhiku.

[Sagar G]

Even I have a mouth to open: Sushil Modi

In a tit-for-tat response to a warning from his ex-boss, former deputy chief minister Sushil Kumar Modi, on Friday, dared chief minister Nitish Kumar to 'open' his mouth on ‘transgressions’ of BJP leaders.

“We are waiting for him to open his mouth. We, too, have much to reveal (about him)”, Modi said, when asked about Kumar’s warning Monday many BJP leaders would be in trouble if he opened his mouth.

Modi, given to tom-tomming the Nitish regime’s 'good governance' till the chief minister sacked him and 10 other BJP ministers on June 16, reiterated governance in Bihar had become the “first casualty” since the BJP’s exit.

“The chief minister, holding 18 portfolios, is so pre-occupied with preserving his wafer thin majority in the state assembly that governance is on a ventilator”, Modi said, after a daylong sit over the Bagaha police firing.

“There’s complete paralysis in government functioning, thanks to the political uncertainty”, he said, in a reference to 126 votes secured by Kumar in a house of 243 during a floor test on June 18.

This was well short of the government’s three-fourths majority (209 in 243), when the 91-member BJP was a part of the Nitish-led coalition regime till the JD (U) broke off from the NDA following a scrap over Narendra Modi.

Asked whether the BJP was trying to appease Muslims by bringing out a vision document on issues concerning them, Modi said no government could ignore the genuine claim of any group - minority, backward caste or dalit. “The BJP ruled states have an excellent record of taking care of all sections of society and have not discriminated against any section of the society”, he said.

As for whether the BJP might consider projecting a Muslim as its chief ministerial candidate during the coming assembly elections, Modi said the party would take an appropriate decision at an appropriate time.

“At this point of time, this question is premature,” he said.

[Vikas]

My CT:

This is brilliant but with typical Indian style melodrama and media spin.
Ok So now if BJP crosses 220 Mark (Although very hard to achieve), NaMO gets the PMship and some of the other parties gravitate towards BJP to make up the numbers.
If it is about 180-200 mark (Very Feasible with NaMo running the show), Then the non-dynesty parties can support BJP displaying LKA as defender of Sick-kooler-ism forgetting his role in promoting assertive Hindutva in the first place.
It is ABV and LKA redoux but in a different time and circumstances. BJP again has two leaders, NaMo if BJP can form the govt on its own, LKA if other parties need a face saver in supporting BJP.

After all LKA is not a fool not to understand that this is his last and feeble chance to occupy PM'ship and the only person who can get BJP votes to get there is NaMo.

[Sushupti]

PM’s Sachar man to share Modi dais
Kalam main speaker at event

New Delhi, June 28: Syed Zafar Mahmood worked in the PMO in 2005-2006 under Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Tomorrow, Mahmood will share the dais with the man who recently derided the Prime Minister as a “night watchman” — Narendra Modi.

Mahmood and Modi will address a conclave of “Young Indian leaders” in Ahmedabad. It has been organised by a city NGO called Citizens for Accountable Governance. The keynote speaker is former President A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, whom Modi often speaks of glowingly.

When Mahmood accepted the invite, his conditions were he would say what he wished to and Modi should be present when he spoke, an organiser said. The Gujarat chief minister agreed to his terms. Mahmood’s theme is “Ek Bharat” (One India).

Mahmood was the main interface between the Prime Minister and the Sachar committee that Singh appointed to examine the social, economic and educational conditions of Muslims and make recommendations to mainstream the community. The report is considered a pioneering study of the country’s Muslims since Independence.

A former Indian Revenue Service official, Mahmood quit the government later to take up “social service”. He presides over the Zakat Foundation, a New Delhi-based philanthropic organisation engaged in running schools and health centres for the poor.

A PhD in public administration from Aligarh Muslim University, Mahmood was briefly attached to the Indian consulate in Saudi Arabia.

However, Muslim opinion-makers, who described Mahmood as “inscrutable”, said he was “well networked” with western diplomats and especially those from the US and Israel.

Mahmood was available on phone shortly after he landed in Ahmedabad. But asked about his participation in the convention, he said: “Call me later.” He then turned off his phone.

An aide said: “There is nothing wrong if he shares a platform with Modiji. The Prime Minister is often seen on a dais with Modiji. We have the right to present our point of view before anyone, whether he is from the Congress or the BJP. One party cannot claim to monopolise our thoughts and our loyalty. Kalam sahab will also be there, so what’s the big deal?”

Zafar Sareshwala, an Ahmedabad businessman and vocal Modi backer, said he had impressed upon convention organisers that they must bring in as many Muslims as they could.

“If it is an enclave of youths, surely there are as many Muslim youths who deserve to hear and be heard as in any other community,” said Sareshwala


http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

[disha]

A word for people who say Modi is a polarizing figure. After reading above and his work done in Gujarat.,

Modi is actually a de-polarizing figure. Since the critiques are looking him through their own communal, casteist and class based polarized eyes., they see Modi in their own image.

[Yayavar]

That he is a unifying figure is indeed the thrust and message of Kishwar's Modinama. I hope that message percolates wider.

[SwamyG]

Call me paranoid, but Madhu Kishwar might spring some nasty googly at Modi just before elections - intentionally or unintentionally. And there will be no time to respond. I hope that is not the case.

[Hari Seldon]

I'm already worried about the diminishing quality of attacks on Modi. Either UPA has something really nasty up its sleeve or it has already given up.

In either case, wouldn't put it beyond the lowlives in power from stooping real low - Modi should beef up his security, introduce some element of unpredictability into travels and routine, start using blackberry etc.

[Hari Seldon]

In the past also, Columbia economists Arvind Panagriys and Jagdish Bhagwati made a solid case, using facts-based arguments, not airy opinions BTW, for why the Guj model is the real McCoy and why the 'Kerala model' are distractions from the real thing.

Here's more on why the Guj model matters for India whereas the 'Bihar model' does not.

Why the Gujarat miracle matters (Panagriya in ToI)

[Agnimitra]

Call me paranoid, but Madhu Kishwar might spring some nasty googly at Modi just before elections - intentionally or unintentionally. And there will be no time to respond. I hope that is not the case.

Yup, paranoid.

[Vayutuvan]

Very good Hindi too.

So, that is the qualification all madrassis should be shooting for, I guess.

[Sushupti]

Ishrat encounter probe opens window to Haren case

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... IAhemdabad

[Hari Seldon]

272: The 2-tier strategy to get there

Minhaz merchant brilliantly counters and exposes the holes in Ashutosh varshney's Modi math sieve-piece. Recommended read.

[Murugan]

^ Mein Use Le Kar Hi Rahunga

Sorry, but at first glance my corrupted mind registered it as:

Modi: Mein Uski (Rahul ki) Le Kar Rahunga.

I also feel sorry, that you have chosen that Kali Dadhi...

(just keeda-ing)

[Murugan]

Some verifiable truth

” क्या ? मुस्लिम अब भी ” कांग्रेस ” को वोट देगे ? जो की आजादी के बाद सब से जादा ” मुस्लिम भाई ओ ” की हत्यारी ? और हिन्दू -मुस्लिम ” दंगे ” करने वाली है ????????? ”

1-भारत की आज़ादी के बाद के इतिहास में सबसे भयानक दंगे 1969 में अहमदाबाद (गुजरात) में हुए थे जिसमें 5000 मुसलमान मारे गए थे। उस वक़्त गुजरातके मुख्यमंत्री काँग्रेस के “हितेन्द्र भाई देसाई” थे और भारत की प्रधानमंत्री इन्दिरा G……….

● 2- इसके बाद दूसरा बड़ा दंगा 1985 में गुजरात में हुआ जिसके बाद अन्य छोटे छोटे दंगे हुए जो महीनों तक चले, तब गुजरात के मुख्यमंत्री काँग्रेस के ‘माधव जी सोलंकी’ थे और भारत के प्रधानमंत्री राजीव गांधी थे। 2000मुसलमान मारे गए थे। …….

● 3-1987 में गुजरात में फिर दंगे हुए और 570 मुसलमान मारे गए थे। तब भी गुजरात के मुख्यमंत्री काँग्रेस के ‘अमर सिंह चौधरी’ थे।

● 4- इसके बाद 1990 में फिर से गुजरात दंगों की आग में दहक उठा। 1000¬+ मुसलमान मारे गए थे। उस समय भी गुजरात के मुख्यमंत्री काँग्रेस के ‘चिमन भाई पटेल’ थे।

● 5. और आखिर में 1992 में हुए दंगों के समय भी गुजरात के मुख्यमंत्री काँग्रेस के ‘‘चिमन भाई पटेल’ ही थे। 1500 मुसलमान मारे गए थे।

● गुजरात के इतिहास के सैकड़ों दंगों में से इन 5 बड़े दंगों के लिए हमारे “बुद्धिजीवी” किसे जिम्मेदार मानेंगे ?? और याद रखिए गुजरात में 2002 के बाद से अमन और शांति कायम है…..

(1) राउरकेला और जमशेदपुर में 1964 के सांप्रदायिक दंगों में 2000 मुसलमान को मार डाला . सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी- कांग्रेस

(2) बंगाल 1947 में सांप्रदायिक दंगों में 5000 मुसलमान मारे गए थे। मार डाला – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी -कांग्रेस

(3) 1967 अगस्त रांची में सांप्रदायिक दंगों में 200 मुसलमानों फिर मारा गया – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी -कांग्रेस-कांग्रेस

(4) 1969 अहमदाबाद में सांप्रदायिक दंगों में 512 से अधिक मुसलमान को मार डाला सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी – कांग्रेस

(5) 1970 महाराष्ट्र में भिवंडी सांप्रदायिक दंगों में लगभग 80 मुसलमान मारे गए – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी -कांग्रेस

(6) अप्रैल 1979 में जमशेदपुर में साम्प्रदायिक दंगों,में 126 मुसलमान मारे गए थे। मार डाला,
पश्चिम बंगाल 125 से अधिक मुसलमान मारे गए थे। – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी -CPIM

(7) अगस्त १९८० मुरादाबाद साम्प्रदायिक दंगों में लगभग 2000 मुसलमानों को मार डाला – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी – कांग्रेस

(8) मई 1984 भिवंडी में साम्प्रदायिक दंगों में ने 146 मुसलमानों को मार डाला, – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी -कांग्रेस, पाटिल मुख्यमंत्री – Vasandada

(9) अक्टूबर 1984 दिल्ली में साम्प्रदायिक दंगों में ने 2733 sikho को मार डाला – सत्तारूढ़ कांग्रेस -पार्टी

(10) अप्रैल 1985 में मुसलमानों ने अहमदाबाद में सांप्रदायिक दंगों में 3000 मुसलमानों को मारा गया | – सत्तारूढ़ कांग्रेस – पार्टी

(11) जुलाई 1986 में मुसलमानों ने अहमदाबाद में सांप्रदायिक हिंसा 59 मुसलमानों को मार डाला | – सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी कांग्रेस

(12) अप्रैल – मई 1987- 81 हिंदु मारे गए सत्तारूढ़ पार्टी कांग्रेस मेरठ में साम्प्रदायिक उत्तर प्रदेश, हिंसा |

(13) 1983 फ़रवरी 2000 मुसलमानों को मार डाला | | Nallie, असम में सांप्रदायिक हिंसा प्रधानमंत्री – इंदिरा गांधी.

(14) कश्मीर हिन्दुओ से खाली हो गया उस का जिम्मेदार कौन है, कांग्रेस सत्ता में और इस का अलावा बहुत कांड है जो कांग्रेस ने किये है, इन को मीडिया क्यों नहीं रोता क्यों सिर्फ गुजरात दीखता है…..

!!!….जय हिन्द…..!!!

[Murugan]

Young Indian Leaders

https://www.facebook.com/events/588236057864647/

[Murugan]

When Mahmood accepted the invite, his conditions were he would say what he wished to and Modi should be present when he spoke, an organiser said. The Gujarat chief minister agreed to his terms. Mahmood’s theme is “Ek Bharat” (One India).

An aide said: “There is nothing wrong if he shares a platform with Modiji. The Prime Minister is often seen on a dais with Modiji. We have the right to present our point of view before anyone, whether he is from the Congress or the BJP. One party cannot claim to monopolise our thoughts and our loyalty. Kalam sahab will also be there, so what’s the big deal?

'An organiser', 'An Aide' etc are pulled out of mushy of kali dadhi by telegraph. Telegraph is lying. Still paiting modi as pariah and untouchable. It is like Though Modi is Untouchable and a Pariah. PM sat with Him, why not Mahmood the Great, the impeccable X man from PMO and Sachar's kingpin etc. Mahmood is also other high-caste personality doing a favour to modi by sitting with him or inviting him or setting terms for Modi. Super DDM.

Another stupid statement "Kalam Sahab will also be there, so what's the big deal?" >>??<<

[Murugan]

X posted from Yoga thread

http://www.narendramodi.in/a-journey-of ... ndra-modi/

[Murugan]

Modi, Mahmood, Abdul Kalam Live

http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... VMxVav3SiU

[Sagrawal]

Modi, Mahmood, Abdul Kalam Live

http://www.narendramodi.in/liveevent/social/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... VMxVav3SiU

Is this event over? I dont see the video on youtube yet?

[suryag]

I can see the video, Dr.APJ looks frail than ever and he also looks ill, would have been a coup if NaMo had done charan sparsh of Dr.APJ

Amazing NaMo gets water for Dr.APJ @12:41, the sincerity hec shows in getting water is in itself worth everything

[Murugan]

Sagrawal

NaMo just started

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... iXo8K59dIY

[Sushupti]

This is the strategy (most likely crafted at 10 JP with BJP represented by Sudheendra Kulkarni ) Loh Purush wanted to go with in 2014.


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1854266/r ... close-aide

[Sushupti]

Narendra Modi exposing English Media and Human Right Activists

[Sushupti]

Shri Modi addresses Young Indian Leaders Conclave 2013

[Sushupti]

After retraction on Ishrat comes this.

Why Modi’s rescue act backfired, and why it needn’t have

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... n=TOIBlogs

[ramana]

After retraction on Ishrat comes this.

Why Modi’s rescue act backfired, and why it needn’t have

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... n=TOIBlogs

Very good reason for any BJP individual not to talk to media for their words will be twisted. The hate is on Paki level. No point in giving them more controversies to pitch.

Thewriter is related to some INC bigwig. Now DIEnasty has implanted itself into media. Wont trust lifafa journalists.

[Sushupti]

Response to Niti Central article on NDTV's Ishrat Jahan report
Sreenivasan Jain

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/respo ... ort-385876



and

[Devendra]

Ishrat case: Home Ministry not convinced CBI has proof against IB officer

http://www.ddinews.gov.in/National/Nati ... an+CBI.htm

This page has been removed from the ddinews.

[SaiK]

Non-modi-fied did try, but they could do it 'cause of bad weather. Please don't blame the non-modi-isms.

[muraliravi]

Apart from all the paranoia, can CBI really implicate any of modi's aides or modi himself? Is it possible at all from a legal/constitutional perspective?

I mean, all the Gujarat officers have to say is that, "IB informed us of the threat and told us that Israt and her 3 associates are LET members and are on their way to assassinate the CM". I am sure they have enough records on that. So even if IB was wrong, what culpability or responsibility does the Guj govt on the issue. They acted as per information they received.

So in my opinion, all this cbi game is a stupid ploy of congress to consolidate muslim vote and nothing more. This is not a case where they can arm twist modi. They can question Amit Shah, they cant jail him. He bears no responsibility when acting upon information received from IB which is a central intelligence body.

[prahaar]

@Muraliravi, the game is on with only one intention, i.e. to have an FIR against NM, and as a bonus charge sheet against him. If this happens, there can be enormous pressure build up for NM to step-aside from CM gaddi to ensure fair investigation and stay out of reckoning for PM ship.

Electoral dividend is to generate fear amongst muslims to vote en masse for INC+ and reduce urban vote (if NM is kept out of reckoning). Of course if NM can turn this tide into Anti-INC consolidation, BJP will benefit, but doing that will be a tougher task.