Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - May 13, 2013

[SSridhar]

Do we now understand how grand-standing by so many different players on the Indian side make us look, sound and behave like an impotent dhimmi ?

[RKumar]

GoI run Congress is sinking to its lowest level .... Defense minister's statement in parliament.

Sonia-slams-Paks-blatant-acts

Making suo motu statement in both Houses of Parliament on this morning's incident, defence minister AK Antony said the attack was carried out on the Indian side of the LoC.

An Indian army patrol, comprising one junior commissioned officer and five other ranks, was "ambushed on our side" of the LoC in Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir, he said in identical statements in the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha.

"The ambush was carried out by approximately 20 heavily-armed terrorists along with persons dressed in Pakistan army uniform," he said.

What is wrong with Media, they even don't publish any of the oppositions reactions. They are giving an impression that opposition is sleeping. Modi must come to power.

[Vipul]

Paki agent Aiyar wants discussion on "serious issue of gas prices" not killing of Indian soldiers to be discussed in Rajya Sabha.

How blatantly can one be an anti-national working against Indian interests and get away with it. Only in India can he also be a Parliamentarian.
Mera Bharat Mahaan onlee!!!!

[harbans]

Jyoti Malhotra spills out her inner Pakistaniyat..in the TOIlet.

I am a Pakistani Agent

[Prem Kumar]

A.K. Antony says:

“At this stage we don’t want to jump to conclusions,” Antony said.

India is a responsible country and that is why such a statement had been made, he said.

“Due to this I can only say that 20 armed terrorists dressed as Pakistan Army soldiers attacked our soldiers,” he said.

Whew - what a relief!

The Manmohan-Nawaz meeting can now happen because we dont want terrorists to disrupt the India-Pakistan peace process, do we?

[Prem Kumar]

Praveen Swami with the latest justification?

Exclusive: Dirty war on LoC preceded deadly Poonch ambush

He seems to have quitely buried the grandmother story which he was tom-toming about during the last TSP-ian raid

And some people on BRF think he has turned a new leaf after moving to Firstpost.

He, like Blue Turban, is a shameless turncoat

[Prem Kumar]

It isn't the fault of an all-encompassing 'we'.

It actually is. "We" elected UPA-2 a few months after 26/11. Why cry now?

[ramana]

Pravin Swami exchanged the grandmother's tale for issful herb collectors tale.

Has he bothered to find out what herbs were those atleast?

I also think the new MEA Secy Sujata Singh with a smug face aanounced the reumption of talks as her first move after taking office. That was the trigger for the ambush.


As per reports one soldeir survived and lived to tell the story.

Why is AK Anthony fudging the facts by saying there were terrorists dressed in TSP Army uniforms?

Did the soldier say that or is it an inference by the dishonorable minister?

AKA should have resigned then serve as the minister for he has done the maximum to delay, deny force arms procurments.

His jos was asurakhsa mantri.

[krithivas]

^^^ Per local nagar reports, Stud-gate Swami has been implicated in a serious relationship with the son of a VERY well known silk baron of South India. That may have become a leverage point for a number of anti national forces.

[Rony]

I beleive Praveen Swami's article was meant to tell that IA gives back as good as they get. Read this below article in full.

Why J&K attacks show India needs a strong Afghanistan policy

For over an hour, the mangled body of one of the men who’d tried to blow up the Indian consulate in Jalalabad lay on the street, surrounded by a sullen crowd of local residents. Nine small children had died in the explosion, which took place while they were walking down the street on their way to religious studies classes in the local mosque. “Everyone was staring”, a witness recalls, “as if they wanted to will the dead man back to life, so they could beat him to death again”. Then, a little boy in a a light-blue shalwar-kameez emerged from the crowd, and calmly walked up to the dead body. He undid the drawstrings on his trousers, and urinated on the corpse. The crowd cheered.

Three hours flight-time away from Jalalabad, United States diplomats are trying to hammer out a peace deal with Taliban negotiators at the plush Four Seasons Hotel on Doha’s upmarket Corniche. Last month, the Taliban shut down their new political office in Doha, following furious Afghan protests. But the talks have quietly continued. India’s government, following the western lead, has been betting they’ll lead to a peace deal before the United States draws-down its forces in Afghanistan next year.

Last night’s murderous ambush in Poonch, where Pakistan army irregulars are thought to have organised the ambush which claimed the lives of five Indian soldiers, shows that hope is self-delusion. The Poonch attack is among the first gusts of the storm brewing across the Hindu Kush to touch home.. The attack on the Indian consulate served notice to New Delhi that Afghanistan’s future is more likely to resemble the Jalalabad street than the Doha Corniche. For India, the choices it now makes in Afghanistan will have critical consequences, especially in Kashmir— but the government is shutting its eyes, and hoping it all turns out to be a bad dream.

For the first time since the near-war of 2001-2002, as Firstpost recently reported, losses of Indian security force personnel have risen relative to the precious year. The underlying reason is simple: as the United States prepares to pull out of Afghanistan, it is less less able to push Pakistan to rein-in jihadist groups operating against India. For its part, the Pakistan army has good reason to resume low-grade hostilities against India, hoping to regain some legitimacy with elements of the jihadist movement who have turned against it in recent years. It hopes to install a client government in Kabul, evict India from the picture and resume its efforts to use covert warfare as a tool to tie down its increasingly powerful neighbour.

In December, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed told members of the secessionist All-Parties Hurriyat Conference that he intended to revive operations once the United States was out of Afghanistan. He publicly warned, in February, that “just as America had to run away, then India, you will have to leave Kashmir”.

For weeks before the Jalalabad attack, government sources have told Firstpost, there had been multiple intelligence warnings on Indian diplomatic facilities in Kabul, Kandhahar and Jalalabad. Earlier this year, India Today‘s Saurabh Shukla has reported, a high-level Indian delegation led by Deputy National Security Advisor Nehchal Sandhu suggested enhanced security measures for new ambassador Amar Sinha.

Indian and Afghan investigators believe the attack on the consulate only failed because of poor planning and reconnaissance. The three suicide bombers, driving an explosives-laden Toyota Corolla car, were stopped at an Afghan police checkpoint some 30 metres from the consulate gate. Two of the men emerged from the car, and began to walk towards the checkpoint. Even as they moved forward, though, the suicide-bomber inside the car detonated the vehicle —setting off the suicide vest on a second attacker. Police at the checkpoint opened fire, killing the third.

In several recent strikes, jihadist assault teams stormed their targets taking advantage of the shock and confusion caused by the initial attack— among them, the July attack on a DynCorp-run guest house which claimed the lives of Indian nationals John Martis, Sandeep Jilaji, Naveen Kumar Gurudi and Kaushik Chakraborty. Near-identical tactics were used to strike Central Intelligence Agency offices and the Presidential palace in June— even as President Hamid Karzai was holding a press conference. For reasons we don’t know yet, the Jalalabad attackers didn’t get it right.

Like the two past attacks on India’s embassy in Kabul, there are even odds that Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence was involved: a murderous attack in 2008, the New York Times’ Mark Mazetti and Eric Schmitt reported, was directly facilitated by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, while Afghan authorities blamed the 2010 strike on it.

In each of those past instances, India itself remained quiet, choosing not to make Prime Minister Manmohan Singh‘s pursuit of a grand peace bargain with Pakistan contingent on terrorism.

The strategy has failed— but there are things New Delhi can do to exert pressure. First as Firstpost revealed recently, President Karzai has given New Delhi a lethal-weapons shopping list, calling in Afghanistan’s entitlements under the Strategic Partnership Agreement the two countries have signed. Afghanistan wants 105 millimetre artillery, as well as helicopters and transport aircraft— all second-hand equipment India can supply at a relatively low cost. India has so far denied the requests, fearing it will complicate the relationship with Pakistan and the United States. Instead, it has granted $100 million in economic aid to Afghanistan, in addition to $2 billion already committed. The aid has won friends— ordinary Afghans often tell visitors that while Pakistan gives them suicide bombers, India is giving them hospitals. Yet, beefing up Afghanistan’s armed forces will send Pakistan an important signal of intent.

Then, India needs to make clear it won’t tolerate a peace deal with the Taliban that undermines Afghanistan’s constitution and democracy. In 2014′s presidential elections, the likely candidates of the major opposition blocs, the National Front and National Coalition, will likely be figures friendly to India— ranging from former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah to Hanif Atmar. Karzai-linked candidates are more sympathetic to Pakistan —but more Indian military aid will lock them into the relationship.

Finally, India can adopt a more muscular posture on the Line of Control. Estimates suggest about a third of Pakistan’s 500,000-strong army is committed to counter-terrorist operations in its North-West. Indian troops have given at least as good as they’ve got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks. The government’s been loath, though, to up the stakes, for fear for the ceasefire falling apart. If India reconsiders that strategy, though, it can threaten to make Pakistan more vulnerable to domestic terrorism by forcing it to pull troops eastwards.

The one option India doesn’t have is to do nothing. For a decade now, India has ridden on the back of historically-anomalous geo-strategic springtime: the restraining presence of the United States, a war between Pakistan and the jihadists it long patronised, and a favourable international climate, driven by record economic growth. Now, events suggest, a harsh winter could again be descending.

[Philip]

Who he? Stud-what's-his name.

Anyway,one is so relieved to hear that AKA has advised us not to "jump to conclusions".So nothing happened,no soldiers were killed,therefore how could any Pakis be be involved? It is all a media creation.Snake-oil can now happily visit Pak ,get his Nishan-i-treason from the Pakis,sign away everything and win his ig-Noble prize courtesy the patron of the plot,Uncle Sam.

[Patni]

I wonder what compels our defense minister to pick the words that he did, in his statement, when government knew how upset and outraged every true Indian felt at latest act of despicable pakis!

[ramana]

He and the cabinet are not accountable to the nation state.

They do not exist at the will of the people.

MMS feels time is runningout and made the new MEA secy annonce resumption of talks.

The Paksi have answered with this new outrage.

RM gives cover by claiming terrorists dressed in Paki Army uniforms attacked India troops on Indian side of LOC in Poonch so that MMS can carry on with his nautanki and claim to fame.

Someone send the guy some testrostone gel.

[Vipul]

AK Antony has promised stong action.

Know what the strong action is .....

"We strongly condemn the incident"

Instead of calling it for what it is - an attack, notice how it is just called "an incident". The BAST**D Congoons are working overtime to spin this ruthless killings as not an attack.Recall how Salman Kurshid had earlier termed the beheading of soldier in January as an "Unwholesome event".

[Vipul]

Jyoti Malhotra spills out her inner Pakistaniyat..in the TOIlet.

I am a Pakistani Agent

Madhuri Gupta Redux?

[Gus]

what are the reasons? that just hours after the attack, a defence min can go ahead and say with authority that these are not army, but jihadis in uniform?

- this info comes from pakis. and we fall for this con.
- inc pressures to have this categorised as 'terrorists onlee, wat to do onlee, oh and we should no elect communal, see what happens onlee'

[rsingh]

Me think it is a provocation by Pakis onbehalf of China. Now how to respond to that? MOD is trying to diminish its seriousness because we are not ready for two front right now. One more coincidence.......whenever Mulayam is in trouble, something big happens from Pakistan. suddenly nobody is speaking about IAS Ms Durgas suspension.

[habal]

Mulayam was today in parliament during the session discussing Pakistan cowardice at LoC. But he went on yakking about some 'China threat'. He was booed down by other parliamentarians.

[ramana]

rsingh, rationalization of GOI inaction would be another chunkian thing. No need for that. GUP will never act for Indian interests. If its affects the 2Gs then they will act.
BTW, Mulyam's Rajay Sabha MP Naresh Agarwal was the only one to call Mani Shankar Aiyar what he is.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/upse ... 98265.html

...To this, Agarwal made an insinuation against Aiyar which the chairman immediately expunged.

"How dare you call me that," Aiyar said, as he charged towards Agarwal

So Mulayam might play to his Muslim votebank in UP but he doesn't play to TSP.
Lets be clear.

[member_26255]

Ajai Shukla on Undee-TV saying that it seems an army tactical failure especially after the Al-Qaeda threat alert(not sure if this is relevant).
MSA goes on to say that armed forces are free to retaliate but it should not hamper the dialogue process. Is that so?

[Vipul]

So Mulayam might play to his Muslim votebank in UP but he doesn't play to TSP.
Lets be clear.

Ramanaji dont want to go OT, for power and votes given half a chance Mulayam would gladly sell his dharti maa.Recall how Mulayam had demanded that Atal Behari Vajpayee should give Rs 2,000 Crores to Pakistan. To get substantial Indian Muslim votes he thinks any and every means to appease Pakistan is kosher. Truly dangerous for Bharatvarsh.

[vanand]

Meanwhile here is "Scumbag Mani"



"Even if the incident has happened" it seems.

Actually scumbag media. Why the f does media always seek opinions from people suffering from verbal diarrhea? Mani Shankar Aiyar, Digvijaya Singh to name a few.

On viewing this government and ministers lunatic views I remember a Thirukural


It gives a meaning "Alliance with the man you have not proved and proved again,
In length of days will give you mortal pain."

We feel the pain but not this fools

[Peregrine]

Bodies of 14 kidnapped passengers found in Balochistan

MACHH: The bodies of 14 out of a total of 30 kidnapped passengers were found from the mountains near Machh in Bolan district, Balochistan Express News reported on Tuesday.

The passengers were on board five buses bound for Rajanpur in Punjab.

Cheers

[Garooda]

Deleted OT

[Vikas]

It isn't the fault of an all-encompassing 'we'. It is solely the fault of the Sonia-led Rahul-guided Congress party. India has to be cleaned up from within before any Pakistan policy is even formed. A solution to Pakistan problem can't come from those Indians' who have interests abroad. A true-blue desi dehati from marathwada or mogaveera from Udupi or Gujarati from Kathiawar or Mehsana who doesn't have any relatives staying abroad or hasn't even seen a big city in his life, who has eaten only Indian bread and drank Indian water will solve this issue in 5 days flat.

High Hopes Habal ji..
PVNR, IK Gujral, DeveGowda, ABV...The list is never ending but TSP problem is still here.
It requires someone who has the cojones and strategic awareness on how to finish Paki issue once and for all.
Consider Mulayam singh or Lalu Yadav or Diksingh coming to power in center and then MSA will feel like a hawk on TSP.

[svinayak]

It isn't the fault of an all-encompassing 'we'. It is solely the fault of the Sonia-led Rahul-guided Congress party. India has to be cleaned up from within before any Pakistan policy is even formed. A solution to Pakistan problem can't come from those Indians' who have interests abroad. A true-blue desi dehati from marathwada or mogaveera from Udupi or Gujarati from Kathiawar or Mehsana who doesn't have any relatives staying abroad or hasn't even seen a big city in his life, who has eaten only Indian bread and drank Indian water will solve this issue in 5 days flat.

THis is how Russia and China make sure their leaders are from. Unknown to the west. That is the only way for large country

[archan]

Acharya et al. no more OT in this thread.

[Peregrine]

Jyoti Malhotra spills out her inner Pakistaniyat..in the TOIlet.

I am a Pakistani Agent

Jyoti Malhotra must be Congratulated on her indubitableness at jomalhotra@gmail.com

Cheers

[Rony]

How will India Respond to Civil War in Pakistan?

In 1971, India intervened militarily on behalf of Bengalis in the civil war in East Pakistan, dividing the country into two. The prospect of another civil war in Pakistan pitting radical Islamists against the secular but authoritarian military raises questions about the possibility, timing, objective, and nature of another Indian intervention.

This commentary argues that history is unlikely to repeat itself. Indians, Pakistanis, and foreign observers have overstated the strategic boldness of the Indian decision to invade East Pakistan in 1971; the invasion was far more reactive and limited. The conditions in Pakistan today are dramatically different from the past, making a similar invasion improbable. First, unlike the Bengalis in East Pakistan, India does not have a natural ally in a conflict between radical Islamists and the authoritarian Pakistan army. Indeed, most Indians see the two sides as allied rather than inimical, and the conflict between them as the result of American presence in the region. Once that casus belli is removed—as President Obama has promised—the two sides will rejoin and refocus on India.

[Narad]

[OT]
All this daal chawal crap discussion on a paki thread and especially in this moment of grief and outrage is very sickening.
[/OT]

[rgsrini]

Even a Mumbai Attack, brought nothing out of this government. They were/are indulging in semantics and dosier exchange with TSP. I expect nothing from this government when it comes to defending Indian interests (Be it China, Pakistan, Bangladesh or even Srilanka). More dosiers will fly across the border. That is the best you can expect. Complete paralysis otherwise.

IA on its own will destroy a few bunkers, kill a few scumbags. The likes of Praveen Swami will use that to blame the IA for the next attrocity committed by TSP.

[Cosmo_R]

Jyoti Malhotra must be Congratulated on her indubitableness at jomalhotra@gmail.com

Cheers

Indubitably. Anyone who wants to take Peregrine' suggestion should consider framing it thusly:

"Accepting the truth is the first step in rehab."

[James B]

...To this, Agarwal made an insinuation against Aiyar which the chairman immediately expunged.

"How dare you call me that," Aiyar said, as he charged towards Agarwal

BTW, Naresh Aggarwal called MSA as 'pakistan ka dalal'

[ramana]

And Joyti Malhotra translated that as 'Pakistani agent' and wanted to be considered one.

dalal is more like broker and fixer which is more than an agent.

Motorham (looks more like Miss Piggy) got of on a tiff in her oped.

Any MMS says he still will meet badmash in NYC.

Vinahasa kale, viparti buddhi!

[Vikas]

^ Why Vinash kaale ? Why sir why ?
When has any terrorist event in India stopped this regime and its PM to feel the pain of ordinary Indians.
He has been bending over backwards with Pakistan and still is running the as PM of India. If you look at it from his perspective, The more he hugs
Pakistan, better results he reaps. "26/11 anyone" and then return of the Mummy to power.
We on BRF are day dreamers and sitting in our A/C offices totally detached from Reality in which Pakistan is another sufferer of terrorism and bad days and we should go out of the way to help them since apparently we can not achieve some mythical greatness till we let TSPians to loot and plunder the country and maybe kill few thousand Kaffirs too as bonus.

[member_26255]

Meanwhile piglets keep getting halaaled through IED Mubaarak

KARACHI: At least eight people killed, including children and over 20 people were injured when a bomb went off outside a packed football ground in Lyari early on Wednesday morning, Express News reported.
MPA Sania Naz claimed that blast occurred when footballers and members of the crowd were leaving ground after the Ramazan Football Tournament came to an end.
The apparent target of the blast was Provincial Minister for Katchi Abadis and Spatial Development Jawaid Nagori. He was also the chief guest at tournament and was reportedly injured in the blast..........

[Philip]

To be fair to that flatulent Congress gadfly Money-Sunk Aiyer,the issue of gas prices is a 54,500 cr. "Rip-Off" according to the July 15th issue of Outlook,where gas prices are being doubled on election eve to benefit...no prizes for the right guess here....Reliance,the corporate giant whom the Congress always "Relies" upon cometh the elections! As a former Min. of "Oil and Gas",he has to break wind appropriately in the House to preserve his bloated reputation and remind the members of the malodorous stink of Congress corruption!

Our flatulent friend is actually an embarrassment to the Congress,as his disgust for loyal Congress looters like Kalmadi saw him ejected from his Sports ministry in indecent haste before the CWG games.One lauds his maverick spirit,but oh! His timing! It indicates how far distanced he is from the grim reality of the day and that his fate will be the "remains of the day" cometh the hustings,unless he can sneak into the house again via the Upper Chamber.But then every court must have its clown!

[SBajwa]

This only means one thing which is that AK Antony and Sonia Gandhi along with Manmohan Singh are Dhimmi citizens of naPakistan!!!

Slogan in India should be "DOWN WITH THE DHIMMIS! "

[SBajwa]

how many more Jhapads? we have kept on extending our cheeks so that they are now RED!! when will be time to hit back?

[habal]

...To this, Agarwal made an insinuation against Aiyar which the chairman immediately expunged.

"How dare you call me that," Aiyar said, as he charged towards Agarwal

BTW, Naresh Aggarwal called MSA as 'pakistan ka dalal'

this is like Pakistan calling West Indies a match-fixer.