Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Aug 21, 2013

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 23 Aug 2013 23:06

US that has the wherewithal

To put it in simple terms, US has no balls. They were clipped when it was born.

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 23 Aug 2013 23:08

pankajs wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/sectarian-clashes-pakistan-kill-people-20048586

http://dawn.com/news/1037831/sectarian- ... -11-people

The count has increased to 11.

member_22872 · Post by **member_22872** » 23 Aug 2013 23:09

Pak to skip U.S. brokered TAPI pipeline talks in India over LoC tensions

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 23 Aug 2013 23:10

Karachi firing leaves 10 people dead

KARACHI: At least ten persons were killed in the incidents of firing in various localities of Karachi on Friday).

According to police sources‚ the firing incidents occurred in the areas of Mochko‚ Napir‚ SITE-B‚ Mominabad and Orangi town.

Sindh Chief Minister Syed Qaim Ali Shah has taken notice of the firing incidents in the city and directed the concerned authorities to arrest the culprits immediately.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 23 Aug 2013 23:15

Comparing Pakistan and India - Letter to the Editor

KARACHI: This is with reference to Maheen A Rashdi’s piece “We have forgotten our country’s plus points” (August 22). I expected to read something more profound from a Toronto-based journalist with over 20 years of experience and who has also served as a magazine editor for Dawn. I found Ms Rashdi’s piece to be misleading. She should have beaten all the drums about Pakistan’s stellar achievements. But why drag India into it? And if she did, then, as a journalist of 20 years’ standing, she should have covered the whole gamut.

There are myriad fields that cry out for comparison, such as the economy, the share of defence, education and health in the country’s federal budget, etc. India makes the world’s cheapest car, Nano. It is not shunned by international sports teams. It is not described as the “most dangerous place on earth”. It collects income tax on agriculture. Its personal landholdings are limited to just a few acres; one can go on and on. May I ask Ms Rashdi what are Pakistan’s plus points in these sectors?

SG Jilanee

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 23 Aug 2013 23:35

Firing at Islamabad madrassa kills three

ISLAMABAD: Three people including curator of an Islamic seminary were killed in the suburbs of Pakistani capital, Islamabad when gunmen opened indiscriminate firing at the madrassa late Friday, police officials said.

The Madinatul Ilm madrassa, belonging to Deoband sect of Islam, is situated by the Islamabad Highway, said a report on BBC Urdu website.

Shabih Ahmed, SP of Islamabad’s rural circle said the incident took place when people were coming out of the mosque, situated next to the madrassa, after night prayers.

According to Ahmed, madrassa curator Qari Mohammad Arif among other local people was standing outside the mosque after offering prayers when two unknown gunmen riding a motorcycle opened indiscriminate firing on them.

Qari Arif, madrassa student Mohammad Shakir and a worshiper identified as Darwesh were resultantly killed on the spot, he added.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2013 04:32

Dipanker wrote:
kidoman wrote:4 Pukees down. 2 more to go before the scores are equal (Inc. Ram niwas Meena who was sniped). Then we need to extend the lead.
If you count the 18 or so PigLeTs who were killed (12 in one instance) . . . Remember the the PigLeTs are Pakis too.

Yes, PigLeTs are part of the herd of pigs, the TSPA.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Aug 2013 07:35

Mercenary nation

No soldiers for sale

News of Pakistani soldiers beings shipped to Bahrain first came almost two years ago, when the uprising had only just begun

According to the report, nearly 2500 Pakistani soldiers, including former army drill instructors, military police and riot police were all supplied following several visits to Islamabad by Bahraini and Saudi officials.

This August 14, 2013 local sources from Bahrain confirmed that once again foreign military detachments, including Pakistani soldiers were being deployed in Manama to quell Shia led pro-democracy protests that were expected

Either it must be believed that Pakistani soldiers are simply thugs for hire who will kill and quell at the behest of any Arab nation that requests such assistance. Or it can be assumed that the killing of Shia Muslims, whether it occurs in Pakistan or in Bahrain, enjoys a wider degree of support than is being overtly acknowledged.

Remember Zia's role in quashing the Palestinians?

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 24 Aug 2013 09:58

anupmisra wrote:Mercenary nation

No soldiers for sale

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Either it must be believed that Pakistani soldiers are simply thugs for hire........ Or it can be assumed that the killing of Shia Muslims, whether it occurs in Pakistan or in Bahrain, enjoys a wider degree of support than is being overtly acknowledged.

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Perhaps there may even come a day when we will hire by the month contracted Pakistani soldiers, squads, platoons, regiments and brigades, willing to 'kill and quell' at our behest Pakistani intruders on our side, but preferably their side, of the borders, especially in Kashmir. Inshaallah.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2013 10:27

Salahuddin Owns Up August 6 Poonch Ambush - Ahmed Ali fayyaz, The Hindu

Pakistan-based Kashmiri militant commander Syed Salahuddin has reportedly claimed that armed guerrillas of his organisation, Hizbul Mujahideen, had killed five Indian soldiers on the Line of Control in the Poonch sector on August 6.

A local news agency, Kashmir News Service, reported that Hizb’s “Supreme Commander” and Chairman of the United Jihad Council Salahuddin had claimed to it in a telephonic interview on Friday that it was the militants of his outfit, not the Pakistani troops, who had killed the five Indian soldiers in an ambush near Chakan Da Bagh earlier this month.

“If India is blaming the Pakistani Army for the killing of the five soldiers in the Poonch sector, let me make it clear to them that Hizbul Mujahideen’s Sarhad Squad killed those soldiers under a particular strategy. Militants have, in fact, shifted their operations and intensified attacks on the Indian troops along the LoC after the Kashmiris’ peaceful agitation in 2008,” Salahuddin is reported to have said. According to him, neither India nor Pakistan could stop the militants from crossing the LoC.

Salahuddin has, according to the report, said violations of ceasefire between India and Pakistan had remained unabated ever since it was announced on November 26, 2003. “In 2011, ceasefire was violated 62 times, in 2012 as many as 117 times and this year, till date, 82 times. Infiltration of militants and the ceasefire violations would continue until the resolution of the Kashmir dispute,” Salahuddin reportedly said.

It is very obvious that the UJC Chief, Syed Salahuddin, a puppet of the TSPA is being asked to own up in order to divert the heat from the TSPA. The intense shelling & firing by the IA is taking its toll, one should assume. Whatever, it is, let us beat the **** out of the TSPA for a few more days. The SSG committed the atrocity and went back to Cherat leaving the regular TSPA to bear the brunt. Show no pity on the Pakis.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Aug 2013 10:35

SSridhar wrote:Salahuddin Owns Up August 6 Poonch Ambush - Ahmed Ali fayyaz, The Hindu
Pakistan-based Kashmiri militant commander Syed Salahuddin has reportedly claimed that armed guerrillas of his organisation, Hizbul Mujahideen, had killed five Indian soldiers on the Line of Control in the Poonch sector on August 6.

A local news agency, Kashmir News Service, reported that Hizb’s “Supreme Commander” and Chairman of the United Jihad Council Salahuddin had claimed to it in a telephonic interview on Friday that it was the militants of his outfit, not the Pakistani troops, who had killed the five Indian soldiers in an ambush near Chakan Da Bagh earlier this month.

“If India is blaming the Pakistani Army for the killing of the five soldiers in the Poonch sector, let me make it clear to them that Hizbul Mujahideen’s Sarhad Squad killed those soldiers under a particular strategy. Militants have, in fact, shifted their operations and intensified attacks on the Indian troops along the LoC after the Kashmiris’ peaceful agitation in 2008,” Salahuddin is reported to have said. According to him, neither India nor Pakistan could stop the militants from crossing the LoC.

Salahuddin has, according to the report, said violations of ceasefire between India and Pakistan had remained unabated ever since it was announced on November 26, 2003. “In 2011, ceasefire was violated 62 times, in 2012 as many as 117 times and this year, till date, 82 times. Infiltration of militants and the ceasefire violations would continue until the resolution of the Kashmir dispute,” Salahuddin reportedly said.
It is very obvious that the UJC Chief, Syed Salahuddin, a puppet of the TSPA is being asked to own up in order to divert the heat from the TSPA. The intense shelling & firing by the IA is taking its toll, one should assume. Whatever, it is, let us beat the **** out of the TSPA for a few more days. The SSG committed the atrocity and went back to Cherat leaving the regular TSPA to bear the brunt. Show no pity on the Pakis.

Also helps takes hafeez saeed out of the equation and out of the limelight to safeguard the porki

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 24 Aug 2013 10:39

No more proof is needed that the Indian PMO, Indian media, ISI, TSPA and Hizbul Mujahideen are all working on a "common message theme"

habal · Post by **habal** » 24 Aug 2013 10:47

So this means, they have managed to infiltrate this govt to care enough to work on a cover-up strategy.

Shame on you Manmohan, Sonia. Shame on you.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Aug 2013 11:01

Well Syed Salahuddin also said his "Mujahideen" were in Kargil. How did that go?

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 24 Aug 2013 11:25

And check the usage of the term "owns up" (instead of "claim") in the Chindu - as if that settles the case.

We have come to a stage when Hizbul Mujahideen has started giving clean chits to our Defense Minister and PMO

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 24 Aug 2013 11:29

Anujan: if Kargil happens today, our own Government and media will do their damnest to silence the voices of our jawans and pull the wool over the Indian public by claiming that the NLI itself is a Mujahideen organization.

If ISI can print fake Indian currencies, the Mujahids can also print fake TSPA IDs & stitch fake TSPA uniforms. Easy no?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2013 12:51

Peshawar Madrassah refutes US charge, says it is not a terror centre - Meena Menon, The Hindu

For the first time, the U.S. Department of the Treasury on Tuesday designated a religious school in Peshawar as a terrorist training centre, but the madrassa has denied it. Defending the action which is the first designation of a madrassa that is being abused by terrorist organisations, a U.S. Treasury Department press release said this action did not generally target madrassas, which often play an essential role in improving literacy and providing humanitarian and developmental aid in many areas of the world, including Pakistan.

The Treasury designated the Ganj Madrassa in Peshawar, Pakistan, which is controlled by designated al-Qaeda facilitator Fazeel-A-Tul Shaykh Abu Mohammed Ameen Al-Peshawari, also known as Shaykh Aminullah. The activities of the Ganj Madrassa exemplify how terrorist groups, such as al-Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Taliban, subvert seemingly legitimate institutions, such as religious schools, to divert charitable donations meant for promoting education towards supporting violent acts, said the Treasury.

However, the administrative head of the madrassa Qari Mohammed Ibrahim told The Hindu on the phone from Peshawar on Friday that his school which had around 80 to 120 children, only taught the Koran and if teaching the Koran was a crime, then even the U.S. could be guilty. He condemned the U.S. decision and said his school was 20 years old and it was not a terror-training centre. Aminullah taught there for 20 years and resigned some months ago {It is the revolving door policy that the Pakistanis are so famous for. Oh, yeah, Prof. Hafeez Sayeed saheb resigned from LeT and leads a peace-loving JuD instead} , he added. There was no proof of the madrassa’s alleged links with the terror groups, he added.

The school is located in Hamda mosque and is run from three rooms including a large hall. Another functionary, who did not wish to be named, said terror camps cannot be run from three rooms. He confirmed that suspicion about Aminullah surfaced after the U.S. department put his name on a website. Shaykh Aminullah was designated terrorist by both the U.S. and the U.N. in 2009 for providing material support to al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

Aminullah fired

He resigned about eight months ago after his name was once again made public in 2012 for alleged terror connections and, following a lot of media attention, the school had asked him to leave. Meanwhile, the school, which is under the public glare, continues to function.

The Ganj Madrassa, the Treasury’s press release said, served as a terrorist training centre where students, under the guise of religious studies, have been radicalised to conduct terrorist and insurgent activities. In some cases, students were trained to become bomb manufacturers and suicide bombers. Shaykh Aminullah has directed donations provided for the school to terrorist groups such as the Taliban, which use the money to fund the ongoing violence in Afghanistan.

According to the Treasury, the school has denied any links with terror groups and said it ran on charity. Under Shaykh Aminullah’s leadership, the Ganj Madrassa had trained and harboured Taliban fighters who have subsequently been dispatched to Afghanistan. As recently as early 2013, Shaykh Aminullah was recruiting for Lashkar-e-Taiba at the Ganj Madrassa and, as of late 2012, was hosting al-Qaeda operatives there, the press release explained. Shaykh Aminullah has provided assistance, including funding and recruits, to al-Qaeda. In addition, he directs donations received by the Ganj Madrassa to jihadist fighters battling coalition forces in Afghanistan and also uses the money to train madrassa students to become Taliban fighters. Shaykh Aminullah frequently travels to the Gulf to obtain charity donations on the madrassa’s behalf.

Support network

As a result of the designation, any assets these entities may have under U.S. jurisdiction are frozen, and U.S. persons are generally prohibited from doing business with them. The press release quotes Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence David S. Cohen as saying the action struck at the heart of the financial and logistical support network that abuses charitable donations and provides essential services for various terrorist groups. These networks provide the terrorist groups with fighters, training and supplies to carry out acts of violence against coalition forces and civilians alike.

Ganj Madrassa has several names and among these was Jamia Taleem-Ul-Quran-Wal-Hadith Madrassa, Jamia Madrassa Dur Ul Koran Wasuna, Madrasa Taleemul Quran Wal Hadith and Madrasa Taleemul Quran Wal Sunnah.

Incidentally, The Hindu appears to have got the visa for a new correspondent at Islamabad after the unceremonius exit of Anita Joshua.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2013 19:22

Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Could be Extended to China - ToI

We have heard a couple of times before, even during Musharraf's golden period. It may or may not be true or it may or may not happen. But, there are two things to be considered. China would be greedy to get access to this so as to deny one more source for India (anyway, this has not been making much progress over the last decade) and also one more opportunity to avoid Malaca. Secondly, this may be a cock-a-snook attempt by the Chinese at the US as TSP has also been unable to make any progress over the years instead of brave talk. TSP would hide behind the Chinese petticoat.

Notwithstanding US opposition to its gas pipeline project with Iran, Pakistan is looking at the possibility of extending it to China as part of a planned economic corridor.

Pakistani and Chinese officials will discuss the laying of the gas pipeline from Gwadar to western China in a meeting to be held here on August 26.

They will also take up a proposal about constructing an oil pipeline between the two countries.

The two sides will sign a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on the economic corridor, which had already been approved by the cabinet.

The upcoming dialogue is a follow-up to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's visit to China in the first week of July.

During the trip, Chinese companies had expressed interest in laying the pipeline from the Gwadar Port to western China.

Iran has also expressed interest in stretching the pipeline to China, the Express Tribune reported.

As part of the economic corridor, Gwadar Port will be connected through road and rail links to China which will help enhance trade between the two countries.

Oil and gas pipelines will feature in the economic corridor, providing much-needed boost to economic activities in insurgency-hit Balochistan.

Outlining his ambitious plans, Sharif yesterday expressed optimism on the possibility of transforming Gwadar into a successful free port on the same lines as Hong Kong to attract foreign investment.

Referring to the corridor, he said both sides were taking keen interest in the project as not only China but the entire region would benefit from this mega project. He said Pakistan-China Economic Corridor was future of the country.

He recalled his earlier meetings which discussed the Trade Corridor from Kashgar to Khunjerab and Gwadar and in principal, approved the proposed alignment of Pak-China Trade Corridor, with the directions to further evaluate the proposal in terms of time and cost efficiency.

Pakistan has asked Iran to bear the entire cost of the gas pipeline as it found difficult to arrange funds from aboard following pressure from the US. The US is pressing Pakistan to shelve the IP pipeline and rather focus on the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline.

Iran has already committed $500 million for financing Pakistani side of the pipeline but Islamabad insists that Tehran should enhance the credit limit.

Total cost of pipeline construction in Pakistan has been estimated at $1.5 billion. To cover part of the cost, the government will award a contract for engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) to Iranian firm Tadbir Energy.

Under the project, Pakistan will import 750 million cubic feet of gas per day (mmcfd) with an option to increase it to one billion cubic feet

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Aug 2013 21:05

The fun part is here

Pakistan has asked Iran to bear the entire cost of the gas pipeline as it found difficult to arrange funds from aboard following pressure from the US. The US is pressing Pakistan to shelve the IP pipeline and rather focus on the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline.

Iran has already committed $500 million for financing Pakistani side of the pipeline but Islamabad insists that Tehran should enhance the credit limit.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 24 Aug 2013 21:15

SSridhar wrote:Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Could be Extended to China - ToI

We have heard a couple of times before, even during Musharraf's golden period. It may or may not be true or it may or may not happen. But, there are two things to be considered. China would be greedy to get access to this so as to deny one more source for India (anyway, this has not been making much progress over the last decade) and also one more opportunity to avoid Malaca. Secondly, this may be a cock-a-snook attempt by the Chinese at the US as TSP has also been unable to make any progress over the years instead of brave talk. TSP would hide behind the Chinese petticoat.

SSridhar Ji :

I would opine that at the present Turkmenistan Natural Gas Exports are to China, Russian Bloc and Northern Iran - herein Turkmenistan always complains about "Late Payment" by the Iranians,

In case China opts for Iranian Gas then the same could be via an Extention-Connection to the Turkmenistan and Kazhakstan to China Oil & Natural Gas Pipe Lines to China whereby China will avoid the Karakoram Route.

Cheers

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 24 Aug 2013 21:21

Anujan wrote:The fun part is here

Pakistan has asked Iran to bear the entire cost of the gas pipeline as it found difficult to arrange funds from aboard following pressure from the US. The US is pressing Pakistan to shelve the IP pipeline and rather focus on the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline.

Iran has already committed $500 million for financing Pakistani side of the pipeline but Islamabad insists that Tehran should enhance the credit limit.

Anujan Ji :

Pakistani Lotos Eaters expect China to pay for the entire Iran-Pakistan-ChinaPipe Line Passing through Pakistan!

Cheers

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Aug 2013 21:38

Anujan wrote:
Pakistan has asked Iran to bear the entire cost of the gas pipeline... Iran has already committed $500 million for financing Pakistani side of the pipeline but Islamabad insists that Tehran should enhance the credit limit.

Hmmm...That's one heck of a bargain. Let me see, is this how it spells out for the eyranians? Eyeran funds the pipeline on both sides of the supply chain, produces the gas at its own cost, supplies it at its own risk, collects payments in the form of future credits or commodities with applied futures risk in place, pays the pakistonians a conveyance fee (in pakjabi erdoo "bhatta") for the privilege of using their god-forsaken land on which the pipeline will be built with no safeguards or insurance by any respectable insurer, no guarantees from the pakis on safety (of course) and run the risk of the pakis reneging halfway through the project. What a deal. What are the odds. By the way, Eyeran, please remember to build excess capacity in the pipeline in case the pakistonians decide to "tap" into the pipeline somewhere along the balochistan gas fields and export some of their own products from Sui. Free money.

For the first time in years I fee for the eyeranians. Hey Eyeran, I have a tunnel for sale in Brooklyn.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Aug 2013 21:47

SSridhar wrote:Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Could be Extended to China - ToI

We have heard a couple of times before, even during Musharraf's golden period. It may or may not be true or it may or may not happen. But, there are two things to be considered. China would be greedy to get access to this so as to deny one more source for India (anyway, this has not been making much progress over the last decade) and also one more opportunity to avoid Malaca. Secondly, this may be a cock-a-snook attempt by the Chinese at the US as TSP has also been unable to make any progress over the years instead of brave talk. TSP would hide behind the Chinese petticoat.

Wrt to the highlighted part, there is another view and the same limitations would apply to any Pakistan-China pipeline.The Malacca Dilemma

China is concerned about encroachments and free navigation through the strait. “Malacca Dilemma” has become the focus of Chinese planners as well as those outside watching China's rise. China's oil demand is expected to rise by several million barrels a day by 2015 with no equivalent rise in domestic production. This has left China scrambling for alternative sources and one option that has gained momentum is the Sino Myanmar pipeline, scheduled to be finished September 2013. Unfortunately for China, this pipeline will not solve problems of sea lanes of communication and may, in fact, make them worse.

The Malacca Dilemma is approximately 1000 km long but at several points is narrow as 15 kilometers. At their absolute narrowest, near Singapore, the width of the strait is only 2.8 kilometer. China's fears a hostile power could seize control of the straits and block nearly all of China's energy imports. Both land based artillery and airpower can effectively deny China the use of the strait. Data from World War II proves that the US conducted a similar campaign against Japan, which was also dependent on imports of oil and raw materials. The deduction was that land-based planes were more effective at maritime interdiction than carrier-based planes. This suggests that an adversary without carriers could still seal the strait effectively. This expands the threat of blockade from just the US or perhaps India, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.

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Another alternative was a pipeline from Gwadar in Pakistan to Xinjiang. The problem with this proposal was that Pakistan is currently unstable and the geographical landmass that the pipe would have to built would be very difficult. The third alternative was building a pipeline that would start in Iran, go through Pakistan, India and finally on to China. This failed not only because the pipeline was too long (2800 km), but also because of the international cooperation necessary to get it started.The alternative that did succeed was the Sino-Myanmar pipelines. One will carry 440,000 barrels of crude oil a day while the other will carry natural gas. The pipeline itself extends nearly 800 km from the Shwe gas fields,in Myanmar to Kunming. The project cost China 2.5 billion dollars. Myanmar has welcomed the pipelines, both for the jobs they produce and because it's entitled to draw 40,000 barrels of crude oil a day. It can be said that this pipeline somehow solves China's Malacca dilemma. According to the Economist, “China sees this project as one of huge importance to its energy security, helping it avoid dependence on shipments coming through the Strait of Malacca.”

However, there are problems in this project. Firstly, the pipelines are not safer than seaborne shipping. If the Malacca straits were blocked, tankers could always be rerouted. A pipeline has none of these attributes. They are in fixed positions making it easy to attack.{Fixed co-ordinates of the pumping stations fed to a Brahmos} It is spread across several miles in a territory where different insurgent groups could cause a multimillion-dollar accident.{Also, Non State actors are an endemic South-Asian problem} China does not have control of Myanmar or the pipeline itself except on paper. Myanmar could conceivably halt oil and gas shipments in a dispute with China. The sea route to Myanmar has potential enemies. The US Navy operates out of the small island of Diego Garcia, which is in center of the Indian Ocean and gives them an excellent chance to interdict any shipping heading towards Myanmar. The Indian Navy too has aircraft carriers and the ability to project power over the entire Indian Ocean. The People's Liberation Army Navy is based on building local superiority and cheap forms of area denial. Their strategy is not to build far-flung bases, which they would then have to disperse their forces to defend. While tankers can be re-routed through the Sunda, Lombok, or other passages due to threats, pipelines remain fixed without any other mechanism that can be adopted to prevent damage.

But perhaps these strategic problems would become less important if the pipeline were to genuinely reduce the amount of oil going through Malacca? Unfortunately, Chinese oil imports are growing faster than the pipeline can alleviate. According to the Energy Information Administration, Chinese oil demand in 2010 was 9.4 million barrels per day. In 2011, that rose to 9.8 billion barrels per day. 9.8 – 9.4 equals a yearly increase of .4 million or 400,000 barrels per day demanded. China is only adding 170,000 barrels bpd of new production every year but that is expected to stop once China hits 4.7 billion barrels of indigenous production. The pipeline from Myanmar produces 0.44 billion bpd. Two years of Chinese growth in oil demand and China will be shipping just as much oil through Malacca as they were when it was built. The pipeline only offers a single one-time reduction. However, that reduction is eaten up in one or two years.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Aug 2013 22:58

Building KBD could endanger Federation’s integrity: Iqbal

LAHORE: Federal Minister Planning and Development, Ahsan Iqbal Saturday admitted that any attempt to build Kalabagh Dam could put the Federation’s integrity at risk.

Addressing an annual program here at the Institution of Engineers Pakistan, Ahsan Iqbal warned the issue of water shortage in the country will become acute in the next ten years. Attention is being paid towards building of other dams, he added.

“If we cannot build dams, then we don’t even a right to protest over blockage of water by India,” Ahsan Iqbal asserted.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 24 Aug 2013 23:50

pankajs wrote:url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 030498.cms]Iran-Pakistan Gas Pipeline Could be Extended to China[/url] - ToI

Wrt to the highlighted part, there is another view and the same limitations would apply to any Pakistan-China pipeline.The Malacca Dilemma
China is concerned about encroachments and free navigation through the strait. “Malacca Dilemma” has become the focus of Chinese planners as well as those outside watching China's rise. China's oil demand is expected to rise by several million barrels a day by 2015 with no equivalent rise in domestic production. This has left China scrambling for alternative sources and one option that has gained momentum is the Sino Myanmar pipeline, scheduled to be finished September 2013. Unfortunately for China, this pipeline will not solve problems of sea lanes of communication and may, in fact, make them worse.

The Malacca Dilemma is approximately 1000 km long but at several points is narrow as 15 kilometers. At their absolute narrowest, near Singapore, the width of the strait is only 2.8 kilometer. China's fears a hostile power could seize control of the straits and block nearly all of China's energy imports. Both land based artillery and airpower can effectively deny China the use of the strait. Data from World War II proves that the US conducted a similar campaign against Japan, which was also dependent on imports of oil and raw materials. The deduction was that land-based planes were more effective at maritime interdiction than carrier-based planes. This suggests that an adversary without carriers could still seal the strait effectively. This expands the threat of blockade from just the US or perhaps India, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia.

pankajs Ji :

An alternative for the Malacca Straits was used during the Heydays of the Ultra Large Crude Carriers i.e. over 300,000 Tonnes DWT and in this case we have the Example of Globtik London & Globtik Tokyo( Mr. Tikoo) of 480,000 Tonnes and the Seawise Giant (C Y Tung) of about 540,000 which had Depths of over 24 Metres were using the Lambok and Sunda Straits.

Since the Natural Gas in the Proposed Iran - Pakistan - Xinjiang Pipe Line will eventually have to be transported Eastern and Southern Chinaa it is highly unlikely that the Chinese will go for such a Pipe Line when they can use (1) Kyuakpyu in Myanmar and (2) The Lambok for Large Vessels.

IMHO an Iran - Pakistan - Xinjiang - Easter / Southern China would be far Longer than a Gulf of Kutch - Eastern India and onto to China Pipe Line - by about 1000 Miles and as such I still think that the Chinese will connect their Iranian Gas to the Pipelines from Kazhakstan or Turkmenistan to China.

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2013 00:16

http://www.dawn.com/news/1038053/ttp-ex ... alks-offer
TTP ‘expel’ Punjabi Taliban leader for welcoming govt talks offer
(Honorless, Miskeen Pakjabi shown his lowly place by Pathan)

PESHAWAR: A spokesman for the main Taliban group in Pakistan claimed Saturday that the head of the Punjabi Taliban faction has been stripped of his leadership for welcoming the government’s peace talk offer.Shahidullah Shahid, spokesman for the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), said Saturday that the Taliban central shura (council) had taken ‘serious notice’ of Asmatullah Muawiya’s recent statement as he was not authorised to respond to the government’s offer for talks.“The Taliban decision making body met under Commander Hakimullah Mehsud and decided that Asmatullah Muawiya has no relation with the TTP,” Shahid told news agency AFP.“He is respectable for us, but he has no relation with the TTP. The decision about the new head of TTP’s Punjab chapter will be taken in next meeting of our decision makers,” he said.Shahid claimed that the council has removed Asmatullah Muawiya from the leadership of the Punjabi Taliban militants, and that the TTP leadership will later issue their stance on the offer of peace talks.Muawiya responded to The Associated Press that the Taliban shura did not have the capacity to remove him because the Punjabi Taliban is a separate group. He said his group has its own decision-making body to decide leadership and other matters.Last week, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had offered dialogue to “those elements which unfortunately have taken the course of extremism”.On Thursday, Muawiya said Sharif had demonstrated political maturity by reiterating his offer to hold negotiations. Muawiya had said militants in Pakistan should respond positively if the government is serious about resolving the conflict.Muawiya, who heads the Taliban’s faction of fighters from Punjab province, was previously known to be a principal ally of the TTP, an umbrella group of radical religious militants fighting the Pakistani government. The latest development shows signs of growing divisions between Taliban groups over the issue of holding negotiatians with Sharif’s government, which swept to power in the May 11 general elections.But TTP distanced itself from Muawiya’s comments and said that the commander has no further role in the outfit.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Aug 2013 00:24

Peregrine wrote:An alternative for the Malacca Straits <snip> using the Lambok and Sunda Straits.

Exactly! Gwadar Kashgar pipeline is an inferior option.

pankajs wrote:While tankers can be re-routed through the Sunda, Lombok, or other passages due to threats, pipelines remain fixed without any other mechanism that can be adopted to prevent damage..

Though better than the Paki route, Myanmar pipeline too is more venerable than sea based route. So the Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline will most likely remain a pipe dream.

Also, Karakoram Highway: China’s Treacherous Pakistan Corridor

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 25 Aug 2013 01:14

Alleged attacks by Indian army kills another Pakistani soldier

KOTLI: The Indian army on Saturday allegedly violated the ceasefire along the Line of Control (Loc) in Nakial Sector, Azad Kashmir, by firing across the border and killing one Pakistani soldier besides injuring a woman on Saturday, Express News reported.
The incident follows two consecutive days of firings across the LoC that have resulted in the deaths of at least four army personnel.
On Friday, Pakistan had summoned the Indian High Commissioner to lodge a strong protest against the killing of two Pakistani soldiers (Captain Sarfraz and Sepoy Gul Wahab) and the injury of four others (including civilians) from unprovoked firing along the LoC from the Indian side of the border.

Has anybody been keeping the count?

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 25 Aug 2013 01:15

Militants kill four, torch two Nato tankers in Balochistan

QUETTA: Armed militants killed four people including two police officials in Balochistan's volatile Kech and Sibi districts and torched two oil tankers carrying fuel for Nato forces in Khuzdar on Saturday, police said.

Muhammad Tariq, a levies official told Dawn.com that armed motorcyclists opened fire at a car in Tump tehsil of Kech district. He said two persons inside the car were dead on the spot. He said the miscreants kidnapped the third person along with them.

Tariq said the assailants drove off the scene after the attack. “The incident appears to be an act of targeted killing,” he said.

The levies force reached the spot as investigation into the incident went underway.

In another incident, armed militants opened fire at a police sub inspector in the outskirts of Turbat town, killing him on the spot.

Niamatullah, a police official told Dawn.com that armed militants killed sub inspector Jan Muhammad on the spot.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack. However, another police official, who requested not to be named, said that Baloch insurgents could be behind the attack on police officer.

Another police official was killed when armed militants opened fire at him in Sibi bazar. Police said two gunmen, riding a motorcycle, opened fire on a police constable deployed at the bazaar, killing him on the spot.

The attackers fled away from the scene after the incident.

In Khuzdar, militants torched two oil tankers carrying fuel for US and Nato troops on Saturday night.

Mir Hassan, an official of levies control told Dawn.com that four gunmen on motorcycles opened an indiscriminate fire at tankers forcing them to stop in Pishak area of Khuzdar.

“The drivers fled away from the tankers as the firing started,” he said, adding the drivers narrowly survived the attack.

Hassan said the militants then reached the tankers and set them ablaze after throwing petrol on them. He said roaring flames of fire and thick smoke could be witnessed from far distances.

Fire brigade from nearby Khuzdar was called to put off the flames.

Meanwhile, Chief Minister Balochistan Dr Abdul Malik Baloch, speaking to reporters in Karachi, termed the missing persons as an important issue in the volatile province. He said his government was in close contact with federal government to seek its help in amicable solution of issues relating to the province.

Dr Baloch said that Sindh government had no link with the recovery of missing people’s dead bodies in Karachi.

Plagued by sectarian violence and violent attacks by Baloch separatists, Balochistan – the largest province in terms of area in Pakistan – has remained under the grip of violence fore more than a decade now.

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 25 Aug 2013 01:20

Nine reported killed in incidents of violence in Karachi

KARACHI: Nine people were killed in incidents of violence in Karachi overnight, DawnNews reported.

Two people were killed during firing incidents at an Afghan refugees camp within the remit of the Gulshan-i-Maymar police station and on the Shah Faisal bridge.

Moreover, former deputy UC nazim Zafar Iqbal was killed from firing in the city’s Liaquatabad area.

Another two people were killed in incidents of firing on Karachi’s University Road and in the city’s Qasba Colony.

One person was shot dead in Kemari’s Sikanderabad area and an infant’s body was recovered from a garbage dump near the city’s Bhens Colony.

In another incident, one man succumbed to his injuries following a firing incident in the city’s Baldia Town.

On the other hand, one person was killed and another was wounded as a result of firing on a hotel in Manghopir’s MPR Colony.

Karachi, the capital of Sindh province, has been a witness of incidents of terrorism and targeted killings for many years and the situation remains unchanged in several parts of the city. According to a recent estimate, the number of killings in the city jumped to more than 2,300 in 2012 from 1,700 the previous year. More than 1,400 murders have already been recorded since the start of this year.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2013 01:23

Well,

Wasim Akram, brings home a Gori Mem, tells her to cover up, and the two will get married.

Now watch how the Abduls are asking the gori mem questions at the airport.

Question no 1: How do you like Pakistan? (

She just landed half an hour ago - so far has not been maimed in a bum blast - so its all good hain ji!)
Question no 2: Have you come here to celebrate Eid? (

Now this is a fully loaded question. The Abdul wants to know if she has 'converted' and so she will celebrate Eid)

More bollowood romaaaantic saangs in the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sUcAy-uqAg

I can't hold back the tears, thij ij toooo romaaaan-tick

member_26255 · Post by **member_26255** » 25 Aug 2013 01:27

Gagan wrote:Well,

Wasim Akram, brings home a Gori Mem, tells her to cover up, and the two will get married.
...

Grand mufti has already given a fartwa against unmarried couple living together.

kidoman · Post by **kidoman** » 25 Aug 2013 01:43

agastya wrote:Alleged attacks by Indian army kills another Pakistani soldier

Has anybody been keeping the count?

Yes. 5 porki army pigs have been killed in Indian firing after the 6th august incident. One more to go before we equalize. This count is discounting piglets I.e terrorists.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2013 02:01

At the going rate of one pakistani == 10 yindoos, we should say 50 pakis met their 72.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Aug 2013 02:13

Gagan,

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2013/07/0 ... -thompson/

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 25 Aug 2013 02:47

kidoman wrote:
agastya wrote:Alleged attacks by Indian army kills another Pakistani soldier

Has anybody been keeping the count?
Yes. 5 porki army pigs have been killed in Indian firing after the 6th august incident. One more to go before we equalize. This count is discounting piglets I.e terrorists.

For all practical purpose the PigLets and other assorted terrorists are part of the terrorist Paki army.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 25 Aug 2013 03:24

It’s no time to suspend Pakistan-India dialogue
Seema Must Daffa: Logg Kehte Hai Ki Indian Hai

NEW DELHI: The India-Pakistan Line of Control (LoC) has become volatile, with beheadings, attacks, deaths and firings in daily violations of the 2003 ceasefire.As army officers in India point out, the first casualty of LoC incidents is the “truth” as both the militaries make their own stories, and their own facts. Both accuse the other of ‘starting it first’, insisting that they had maintained calm and peace on their side.India’s hard-nosed retired officials recently wrote a letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh urging him not to meet his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif.“There should be no talks” has been the refrain from the Bharatiya Janata Party as well, with the weak-kneed Congress succumbing to the pressure of continually chastising Pakistan while keeping the talks on hold. Peace activists who have been insisting that the dialogue must continue have been dismissed by both the government and the opposition, as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh waits for the climate to right itself so that he can meet his Pakistani counterpart in New York next month. However, if the pressure continues, Singh, in all probability, will call off the meeting.Of course it is true that the prime minister will not be able to achieve much through a meeting towards the end of his second and probably last term in office. He is not in a position to take decisions, or implement decisions regarding India-Pakistan relations and hence neither country will lose anything in substantive terms if the meeting is indeed called off. However, it will impact the peace process adversely, making it clear once again that both India and Pakistan have not succeeded in institutionalising this all-important dialogue. (Limited Mind and Ideas of Suar Seculairst: See not Any thing In whole 12 Yards Between)
Those advocating ‘no talks’ should also give us an idea of what they propose instead. Do they want a war? How will that resolve the problem? And at what cost? Surely, it cannot be anyone’s case that in this time and age, India should declare war instead of working for peace? The attack on the Indian soldiers recently did arouse passions, but there has been deep criticism within the army of the political pressure to send the army chief, Gen Bikram Singh, to the LoC when the task should have been left entirely to the region’s commander. The army chief, sources said, should have refused to intervene in this manner but did not.Given the fact that India shares borders with two countries it considers ‘hostile’, it stands to reason that the first priority for the government should be to ensure that the ceasefire holds, and that border incidents are tackled instantly and calm restored.It is only the very foolish who will advise the government to break off talks with Pakistan, at a time when dialogue is essential to peace. This jingoistic tendency to ‘teach lessons’ has to be replaced by a strategic and calibrated call for peace.The Indian side of the LoC has been secured physically to a great extent. Flood lighting, fencing and electronic surveillance have been installed to aid the military and paramilitary patrols on the border. However, integrated border management is still non-existent, with the prime minister and his government unable to formulate a comprehensive scheme for the same.
A department of border management was set up under the ministry of home affairs nearly ten years ago, but seems to have contributed little to formulating a border policy. Instead, it has focused its attention on border outposts, fencing and other such works to secure the LoC and indeed the borders that India shares with other countries in the region.The department has recognised the need to make the population living alongside the LoC in particular more secure physically and mentally, but not much has moved on this front.This is quite the opposite to China, which has built the necessary infrastructure along its borders with India to enable free and quick movement of its military.At the same time, as this writer saw during a visit to Tibet, the Chinese are building sufficient infrastructure to take care of their border populations. For instance, large-scale construction of free housing was being carried out to settle nomads in colonies well before the Line of Actual Control.
Managing Borders
India, unfortunately, has no policy for managing its borders with tensions at the Line of Control, for instance, cutting into bilateral relations at the drop of a hat.
It is important for both India and Pakistan to appoint an integrated border authority comprising high-level political leaders from each side.This body should be charged with monitoring developments along the LAC and moving in to defuse tensions as soon as these are reported. One is suggesting a political body as that alone would have the authority to direct officials to immediately implement confidence-building measures, or to suggest new proposals to bring down the tension quotient. Tensions should not be allowed to rise, as then any little incident can create a major incident that none of the countries can afford. War cannot be the answer, and border management can ensure that peace prevails.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 25 Aug 2013 03:42

From nightwatch...

" Night of 21 August 2013

Pakistan-India: An army statement said that a captain died and a soldier was seriously injured near Skardu in far northern Kashmir by "unprovoked shelling" by Indian forces. An Indian Army source did not comment on the death, but said Pakistan started an incident and India retaliated."

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 25 Aug 2013 03:53

kidoman wrote:
agastya wrote:Alleged attacks by Indian army kills another Pakistani soldier

Has anybody been keeping the count?
Yes. 5 porki army pigs have been killed in Indian firing after the 6th august incident. One more to go before we equalize. This count is discounting piglets I.e terrorists.

How ji? I am aware of only 1 afsar killed & 1 jawan injured

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 25 Aug 2013 05:23

ramana wrote:Gagan,

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2013/07/0 ... -thompson/

Bismillah !