Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

[Sanku]

Ok, so Narendra Modi had planned that when Sushma Swaraj moves an amendment congress people in confusion would vote against, but this grand plan was laid bare because of Sushma Swaraj allowing a re-vote when treasury members asked?

Is that the theory?

BJPs entire game plan was based on the fact that one amendment moved by Sushma Swaraj would put congress in confusion and that is how they will beat the food security bill? And this was architected by NaMo no doubt?

[Sanku]

^^^^ Yes.

Thanks For Connecting The Dot To Gadkari.

So Sushupti-ji, what is the point of posting this tweet by some one called Vinod Sharma. Are you saying that RSS, through Gadakari is trying to bring down NaMo?

You see, I am extra-ordinarily dumb, I can not get allusion made in a random tweet by a random person, and understand what is being said. Can you explain please?

[Chandragupta]

Saars, a lot of twitter folks copy BR and a lot spin theories in air, no point posting random tweets of people who have little or no standing (doesn'nt mean that they don't mean well).

[ramana]

Sushupti, The UPA would have ensured the FSB passes willy nilly as its must win for them.

So why blame Sushma Swaraj for its passing?

[mayo]

Pesh-e-Khidmat hai D4 kee taraf se Mallika-e-Italia ko ek aur Chota sa Nazarana HP, Uk,Jharkhand aur KA ke baad Delhi.

Quashing dissent, Vijay Goel to head Delhi BJP's election campaign

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/vija ... 01315.html

Guys, what does D4 stand for? Can't find it in the BRF dictionary.

[Vikas]

Even if BJP doesn't win power in 2014, we will most likely see hoth-potch govt at the center which would fall in 2-3 years time frame and then NaMo can mount his challenge once again. The real battle has just started and NaMo may not even be the General who eventually unfurls the Bhagwa dvaj on red fort but he sure is the Sivaji Maharaj or Maharaja Ranjit Singh of our times.
The siege of Sultanate must never be let go, pounding them with artillery barrage and snipers till they are scared of even their own shadows.
Marahathas pr Sikhs didn't run over Delhi Sultanate in a day or a year. It took pain staking effort and constant nibbling at the periphery.
No Victory is too small and no defeat should sap the morale of the troops and yes no Victory was ever handed over on a platter.

What we see in Media is akin to the sounding of Bigul, Nagada, drums and unsheathing of swords while troops line up for one more charge to route the Sultanate forces Whereas Sultanate forces are busy shoring up defenses with EJ, Islamic and local Nawabs.

[Prem Kumar]

the silicon valley leftists usually gather a lot of signatures for their e-petitions from clueless desi munnas and munnis who get taken in by their do good language and reasonable sounding posture, without realizing the hidden agendas. as do a lot of students in prestigious univs there.

The leftist indoctrination starts in the Universities (where else?). It happens via organizations like AID. I helped start one of the AID chapters at my Univ.

The students are gullible, homesick and want to do something for the country. The "charity" themes are attractive and students actively participate in the fundraising process. Gradually, other aspects of the charity organization becomes apparent, like support for Binayak Sen, anti-fascism etc.

The leap is not hard to imagine. You go from poverty alleviation --> vocational training --> tribal suffering --> anti-Posco agitation in a fairly logical sequence.

I saw AID degenerate from a well intentioned charity organization to an activist, leftist, Maoist-overgandu over a few years. Narmada Bachao Andolan was the tipping point. There were huge internal debates in AID during that fork in the road. Good volunteers, who opposed the path the organization was taking, quit in disgust.

Sorry for the OT

[Prem]

The Ruler of Hindu Hearts?

No Yaar Time

NEW DELHI — As India heads into an election year, the Congress Party-led government is on its last legs. After two terms in power, it is enmeshed in corruption scandals and an unshakeable perception of poor governance. Meanwhile, the Bharatiya Janata Party, India’s main opposition party, which should be taking advantage of the government’s dire condition, is faltering.
Following successive election defeats, and a political environment primed for a change, the B.J.P. faces a choice: move toward the political center or cling to ideological purity and lurch rightward in an attempt at a divide and conquer strategy. All signs point to a rightward shift. The B.J.P.’s embrace of the far right is embodied by the rise of Gujarat state’s chief minister, Narendra Modi, a controversial figure who represents an uncompromising strand of his party’s Hindu-nationalist ideology. Should the B.J.P. choose Modi as its standard-bearer for the general election — a real possibility given his increasing popularity — Modi’s polarizing style would likely scare away prospective coalition partners and lead to an unstable government dominated by small, regional parties. Most troubling, Modi’s Hindu-nationalism is likely to lead to a deepening of sectarian divisions, India being home to the world’s second-largest Muslim population. His questionable conduct during the 2002 riots in Gujarat that left more than 1,000 people dead, mostly Muslims, has shadowed his ascent to the national stage. He is accused at the very least of doing nothing while Gujarat burned, and at worst of having helped to orchestrate the violence. In a recent interview with Reuters, Modi did not help his cause when asked about the riots. He answered by saying his feelings of pain for the tragedy were similar to how he’d feel if a puppy had been run over by a car in which he was merely a passenger.
As a consequence of the riots, Modi suffers the indignity of a U.S. visa ban, in effect since 2005, and he remains a target of human rights groups the world over. He also faces the specter of investigations into the extrajudicial killings of suspected terrorists by the police in Gujarat, which could implicate his closest aides, and perhaps even Modi himself, in the coming weeks.

For all his talents he has few allies outside his party, a handicap in an era of coalition governments. The B.J.P. should now be welcoming more partners into its fold. Instead, in June it lost its largest ally, Janata Dal (United), in the large swing state of Bihar, a breakup catalyzed by Modi’s ascension.
Still, most B.J.P. members — and increasing numbers of voters — seem convinced that Modi, with his larger-than-life persona and unquestioned religious pedigree, is their long awaited Hindu Hriday Samrat — the ruler of Hindu hearts. The son of a tea-stall owner, Modi, 62, has spent most of his life in politics, joining the right-wing Hindu-nationalist Sangh Parivar organization early on and rising through its ranks by displaying impressive organizing abilities. He moved to the B.J.P. in 1987 and was appointed chief minister of Gujarat as a midterm replacement in 2001 without ever having fought an election. In the decade since, Modi has won three straight state elections and engineered remarkable economic growth for his province — some even go as far as describing it as the Guangdong of India. His focus on pro-investment policies, cutting red tape, extensive infrastructure development, while using his personal charm to woo foreign and domestic investment, has been a marked contrast to most other state governments. When Tata Motors fell out with the West Bengal government in 2008 over plans to set up a production plant for its “People’s Car,” the Nano, Modi wasted no time in text messaging Ratan Tata welcoming him to Gujarat with open arms. Soon enough, the first Nano was rolled out in his state. Other corporations say they’ve found Gujarat an oasis for investment. Impressive as his achievements may be, his model of development is unlikely to be a good fit for the rest of India. Gujarat may be an industrial powerhouse but the state’s performance in areas of concern to the common man, like human development, is spotty. Speaking to The Wall Street Journal a year ago, Modi appeared out of his depth when he diagnosed his state’s high malnutrition rates as being a result of the vegetarian diet, and the state’s middle class being “more beauty conscious than health conscious.” The lessons Modi has learned running a one-party state with a strong hand would likely not apply well to the consensual give-and-take nature of a coalition government in New Delhi. No prime minister of modern India has been able to rule by diktat. The B.J.P. would do better to look to the example of Atal Bihari Vajpayee, whose years as prime minister from 1998 to 2004 were largely characterized by a consensual approach to governing. Vajpayee was like an Indian Ronald Reagan: a true believer in the conservative cause who packaged his ideological stridency into a narrative that depicted the B.J.P. as a responsible party of governance, palatable to its core voters while allaying the fears of disparate coalition allies. But once Vajpayee left the scene, the B.J.P. steadily drifted toward the far right.
The promise of a Modi victory could prove to be a mirage. Elections are still decided in rural India, where he is yet to be fully tested. Only L.K. Advani, the octogenarian co-founder of the B.J.P. and Modi’s mentor-turned-rival, stands in his path to leading the party. But Advani’s failure as prime minister candidate in the 2009 elections, and the groundswell of rank-and-file support for Modi, may undermine his quest. Yet, even if Modi is victorious, he would most likely lead an unwieldy coalition government involving decision-making by consultation and consensus, a balancing act that is not his strong suit. On key global issues like nuclear disarmament, climate change, trade and terrorism, India would find it nearly impossible to craft a coherent policy. On top of that, India relies on foreign funds to finance its alarmingly large current account deficit — currently contributing to a steep depreciation of the rupee — and if foreign investors were to lose confidence in a new and unstable government, the economy’s downward slip would accelerate. With Indians begging for good governance, the B.J.P. must decide whether to choose Modi’s ideological path or to recalibrate to Vajpayee-like inclusiveness. On that question hinges the outcome of the election — and the future of India. But Modi’s message may well prove difficult to resist: “From snake-charmers, we are now a nation of mouse-charmers. Our youngsters are shaping the world with the click of a mouse.”

[Sushupti]

Sushupti, The UPA would have ensured the FSB passes willy nilly as its must win for them.

So why blame Sushma Swaraj for its passing?

Exactly! why it's must win for saffron Gandhis?. I amn't blaming but pointing towards a symptom i.e. acting like a loyal opposition.

[SaiK]

got to give to kangrez for their well ordained structure and family ship., although the fundamental principle glue for that is corruption... or the corruption is the backbone and survival framework of the party. this is the reason, it is very hard to break this family.

it is like fighting the dark forces.

[svinayak]

Modi Free India club has been formed

[SaiK]

like the men in black, he can perhaps be the man in black.

[Sushupti]

[Sushupti]

Full interview where Arun Shourie called D4 "stateless" leaders.

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/417441/nar ... un-shourie

[Arunkumar]

>>> Modi free India

Wow great.....Modi will free India from Con.

Y'day Tunch maal getting ill was another drama to get sympathy.

[Vayutuvan]

Modi Free India club has been formed

Acharya (my long lost alum bro), what do you mean saar? Is it "(Modi free) India" or is it "Modi [ji please] (free India)"?

[Sushupti]

[niran]

Food security bill is passed. Welcome UPA III folks!

And guess who saved the day for the Regina at the Luytens - Sushma Swaraj. Over to you NaMo, your party has screwed you

there are 144 amendments proposed, and the bill was passed with

all amendments incorporated

that means by election time it still will be vapoueware bajhapa will beat kangese for not implementing the bill
and if kangese implement it then they will have to contest next election with 1/4 plate plain rice and no roti or kurry.
there is a saying in cow belt

saap chuchudar ka haal

the nautanki last nite was to gather sympathy and postpone the voting, but it failed miserably.

[Sushupti]

[Hari Seldon]

^^ROFL indeed.... NM just doesn't cease to impress.

INC meanwhile can't distinguish between wit and sh1t and will hurl yellow matter in all directions in response to this, i bet...

[disha]

Regarding the FSB, here are the issues I have

1. Trying to find the draft of the FSB
2. Trying to find the list of the amendments - I hear 144 amendments and some news sources talk about 55 amendments.

What are the amendments? As usual pib comes to rescue.

http://www.pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=95441

Even the above is sparse!

*BTW this is not the case only in India. Since politicos love to obfuscate and become father of success and make others father of failures, nobody gives a clear cut proposals.

** WORSE ARE JOURNOS. No doubt I respect politicos more than Journos. They cannot "google and search and read and simplify for their constituency". I am thinking of creating a journo site for journo - they can copy and paste whatever I emit.

[disha]

Imagine the photo-op!!!

NaMo ne maar dalaa

One who has humour and wit does have intelligence!

[disha]

So niticentral says no amendments approved

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/08/26/p ... 24060.html

Over 300 amendments moved by the Opposition were rejected.

During the voting on the Bill, amendments moved by Gurudas Dasgupta and Sushma Swaraj were defeated, while SP withdrew its amendments to the Bill.

AIADMK was the only party to have opposed the Bill.

Just before voting on the Bill, Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj said BJP is supporting the legislation despite it being “half-baked and weak”. “We are waiting for the day when we come to power and we will be able to improve the law.” Sushma said.

So what are the amendments?

[Singha]

Loh Purush himself could fill the slot vacated by AJ in heartbeat
after all, an army looks best with its general riding in front.
add in camp followers like mithaiwala, shotgun...

old timers will remember the DANK team. always present, always powerful..never seen.

[Supratik]

Suddenly everyone including the NYT is finding Vajpayee to be a great leader. I recall in the late 90s how they were trying to stop Vajpayee from coming to power using the same arguments that they are using against Modi.

From Jadavpur U to JNU the universities are the breeding grounds of jholawalas. They come mainly from the humanities and social sciences and are groomed by 40-50 yr old student leaders. The political parties try to rope in fresh out-of-school students on the very first day at U. Some of them go on to the west and carry their ideology with them. Also much of academia is manned by them and they have an old-boys network. The only way to stop this is to stop political parties from contesting union elections. Mamata has banned Marxism from the curricula. Perhaps such drastic measures need to be taken as well.

[niran]

So what are the amendments?

- the bill says all internal transportation charges the concerned states shall bear
the amendment proposes since it is Central scheme all charges including procurement storages central government pays
or at least for the initial 5 years then states will pay 10% onree on the condition that the concerned is able to pay in case
any state is unable then central government will bear the cost untill state or states is able.
already the following states have requested amounts just to start the scheme
Bihar= 128 hundred thousand keyroar INR
Mamta didi= 126 hundred thousand keyroar INR
Mohtarma JJ= 366 hundred thousand keyroar INR
God's own country pradesh= 200 something hundred keyroar INR

-new grievance and its reddresall system will setup by the state
the amendment proposes that central goverment either bear all the cost or pays to the sates all the money to setup and run and maintain the system.

hope you get the point saar, kangese had planned to make the state bear the costs and UPA to take the credit
now the role has been reversed, me have solid information that a project to agitate for their food under this bill
is already in place, if UPA dilly dally or onree half implement the amended law
imagine a scene
crowd agitating in front of CM house demanding their food
CM says he can onree do this much go talk to kendra sarkar
bhajaapa starts mollying the crowd with elect us and we will get ye all full stomach food
kangese have hanged themselves with this bill.

[disha]

the amendment proposes since it is Central scheme all charges including procurement storages central government pays
or at least for the initial 5 years then states will pay 10% onree on the condition that the concerned is able to pay in case
any state is unable then central government will bear the cost untill state or states is able.
already the following states have requested amounts just to start the scheme
Bihar= 128 hundred thousand keyroar INR
Mamta didi= 126 hundred thousand keyroar INR
Mohtarma JJ= 366 hundred thousand keyroar INR
God's own country pradesh= 200 something hundred keyroar INR

That amendment itself would have been great. The state satraps then will make a panipat out of UPA.

But news say no amendments were passed. So confused only - were amendments moved by opposition passed or not? Some news will help., till then putting trust in you that such amendments were passed.

crowd agitating in front of CM house demanding their food
CM says he can onree do this much go talk to kendra sarkar
bhajaapa starts mollying the crowd with elect us and we will get ye all full stomach food
kangese have hanged themselves with this bill.

That could still be a possibility with or without amendments., but yes amendments make it easier to play the game with CongI.

So were amendments passed?

[niran]

^^^^was watching live telecast on LSTV and

the bill blah blah number yada yada is tabled on the floor with blah blah amendments, those in favor may say aye, those not in favor may say no, i think the aye have it the ayes have it

then it was put to electronic vote system, the mistake by kongese happened because dissing and cussing was simultaneously going on 2 counts
1- the motion to invalidate the FSB ordinace on yada yada count
2- FSB itself.
the kangese voted no on FSB thinking it was the motion to invalidate the ordinace.
so all in all FSB has passed loksabha with amendments not what the learned most wise media journos been trying to portray.

[Atri]

As far as I know, 318 amendments were tabled. 18 were put to vote. and rejected.

[Vikas]

When was the last time a political party won power because a bill was passed.
RG touted panchayati Raj bill in 1989 and still lost to a nascent Third front.
UPA won in 2009 because country as a whole was doing better and opposition was in disarray (and B Team of Congress was working for them) and not because of NAREGA Bill.
Test of Nation is Delhi Election. If Ms. Dixit can pull it off this time despite all the scams, CWG Corruption, 2G corruption, Lokpal bill etc. and ordinary Abdul more aware because of proximity to power center, then we have no hope for 2014 national election.

[member_20317]

Instead of losing my temper and sanity, I have chosen to take up the task of bringing 10 votes to the BJP in the constituencies where I am involved. Small target, but that is what I can achieve.
Of the ten votes for BLR, have promises from family and close friends now to never vote for the family that chose to make India poor.
For the ten votes in Mumbai, we already did canvas earlier itself. Family alone will contribute more than that so will choose to start afresh and work with others and help them understand why we should avoid voting back the INC. Small steps, but 10 at a time will help cover India eventually.

:thumbs up:

I am putting up data before 3-4 guys at workplace and trying to discourage a Kongi ki wife from helping her hubby. Information and comparisons mostly.

Plan to put some money in it too as time comes nearer. Our constituency is already Pro BJP with a good doctor for a MLA, so I am trying to branch out to people outside my own constituency.

I think I will also convert at least 10 voters by 2014 and I am rather sure that almost all will convert for good.

Problem with me is my life is a very non-public kind. So less chances to be heard.

[Supratik]

Apart from a booming economy, the lone waiver and NREGA did help INC in 2009. The FSB is their last ditch effort. It seems to me that this is similar to the PDS schemes we had prior to liberalization which was marked by massive corruption and "kala bazari". How will this be prevented in the FSB?

[vera_k]

They are well organized and have the ear of the US administration. One of their greatest efforts was giving up "Cashmere" which was defeated. The other major effort was to create hysteria of "fascists" taking over when Vajpayee was coming to power which also didn't help. In their quest for battling "Hindu fascists" they have allied with Islamists and the "imperialists" aka USA. They were active after Babri, nuclear test, nuclear deal, etc.

I take it that these people are Americans. If so, they can not be touched under Indian law I'd think. This type of situation is where having dual citizenship would allow Indian laws to apply when they are in India.

[Hari Seldon]

Was reading the paper. ET. Mea culpa, I guess. Can't help but feel depressed after doing so.

Jairam ramesh appears in a puff-piece sounding so reasonable on some points, heck, I almost was swayed before I caught myself. What ramesh calls for will stop *all* land acquisition for industry. period.

Anyway, the odds are so dauntingly against us I now see.... OMG. only. We're doomed, for sure. Its over only. Sonia raj is soon to be permanent. Was NREGA last time, is FSB this time and will be DCT next time. After that the demographics will ensure a psec supermajority. .... over, I tell ya... what's the point anyway.....

P.S.
Our gods betray us yet again. "Dharma sansthApanArthaya, sambhavAmi yugey yugey" He grandly proclaimed.... And is nowhere to be seen since. Ghor kaliyug onlee...

[member_27444]

Modi Free India club has been formed

What for?

More Chai biscoots provided by GOI under the Food security bill?

time for

"Modi For India" MFI eitherways

Multi Fuel Injection to stoke the flames of anti Modi I gues, so Agni pariksha or Agni Prevesh?


Singha ji >>>> what happened to Sirish who was Dank team spokes person ......

[member_27444]

does SG wobbling and dizy tizzy, is it a confirmation that we have week leadership ruling India?

[Lilo]

Was reading the paper. ET. Mea culpa, I guess. Can't help but feel depressed after doing so.

Jairam ramesh appears in a puff-piece sounding so reasonable on some points, heck, I almost was swayed before I caught myself. What ramesh calls for will stop *all* land acquisition for industry. period.

Anyway, the odds are so dauntingly against us I now see.... OMG. only. We're doomed, for sure. Its over only. Sonia raj is soon to be permanent. Was NREGA last time, is FSB this time and will be DCT next time. After that the demographics will ensure a psec supermajority. .... over, I tell ya... what's the point anyway.....

P.S.
Our gods betray us yet again. "Dharma sansthApanArthaya, sambhavAmi yugey yugey" He grandly proclaimed.... And is nowhere to be seen since. Ghor kaliyug onlee...

Nice shake to the bush Hari Garu.
Let's see how many fish jump at the falling berries...

Or were some fish already somersaulting here even before any berries fell...

[Sushupti]

[member_27444]

Hari Ji that was for Hindus, not for non believers like Indians.

Govinda Govinda

[Sushupti]