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habal wrote:Why have the speculators given a break to the Rupee for a day ? Now 'shock & awe' to begin next week or on Friday ?

maybe this is the 'players' taking a 'strategic time-out' !
Bloomberg has an article which says that FII money is being used for Rupee currency speculation.
We see that there was news on notes payable and other instruments which allowed money to come to India without regulation.

They are making profit out of the currency using the trading system are taking the money out.

The returns in US on investment is drastic low and there is nothing good returns for many investors. They are using emerging markets to cycle their money to get returns of 30+ % to take care of their retirement
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panduranghari wrote:x post
I think that is the plan. For Indians to sell their gold. Global bullion banks are running out of gold. Heck even US Fed refused German govt. to see their own (German) gold stored at Fed Reserve. I think its not there and so do many. I really hope, Indians are not forced to sell their gold. :cry:
Following up on this, I was correct.

monetising part of gold reserves to control CAD

Does GOI think Indians are idiots like South Koreans?

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 05,1579787
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As per the paid media articles - Temple gold is now a fair game. They are now discussing Tirupathi and Ananth Padmanabha Swamy gold openly.
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Narayana Rao wrote:As per the paid media articles - Temple gold is now a fair game. They are now discussing Tirupathi and Ananth Padmanabha Swamy gold openly.
Reference please... dangers of 'Hindus in name Only' - HINOs.
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Land Acquisition Bill Passed in Loksabha.
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In his last speech, RBI Governor Subbarao blames UPA for mess Indian rupee, economy is in
In his last speech before retiring as the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) Governor and handing over the reins to Raghuram Rajan, D Subbarao highlights fact that the Indian rupee is not freefalling and the economy is not sinking because of him. In fact, he turns on the Manmohan Singh-led government and roundly slams it for its policies.


Subbarao was sharply critical of the government, blaming its "loose fiscal stance" for the current economic woes, and warned that the root cause of Indian rupee depreciation is "domestic structural factors."

While the speed and timing of the Indian rupee's depreciation was due to the markets reacting to US Fed announcements, Subbarao said, "We will go astray, both in the diagnosis and remedy, if we do not acknowledge that the root cause of the problem is domestic structural factors."

India’s external vulnerability higher than it was a year ago, says Subbarao

He said it would be "misleading" to blame recent policy pronouncements of the US Federal Reserve for the decline in Indian rupee, which has slid 23 per cent against US dollar this fiscal.

"... there has been a growing tendency to attribute all of this (ferocity of Indian rupee depreciation) to the 'tapering' of ultra easy monetary policy by the US Fed. Such a diagnosis, I believe, is misleading," he said in his last public lecture as RBI Governor.

While some of the growth slowdown was attributable to the RBI's monetary tightening, he said,

"India's economic activity slowed owing to a host of supply-side constraints and governance issues, clearly beyond the purview of the RBI."

Blaming the "loose fiscal stance of government during 2009-12" for slow growth and high inflation, he said, "Had the fiscal consolidation been faster, it is possible that monetary policy calibration could have been less tight."


The governor has often been criticised from within the government for his tight money policy at the cost of growth.

The root cause behind the Indian rupee's decline, he said, is a current account deficit (CAD) that's running well above the sustainable level for three years in a row and may possibly continue at that level for the fourth year this year.

The only lasting solution is to reduce the current account deficit to a sustainable level, he said.

"Reducing the CAD requires structural solutions - RBI has very little policy space or instruments to deliver the needed structural solution. They fall within the ambit of the government."

Subbarao, however said, that in the interim "we need to stabilise the market volatility, a task that falls within the domain of the Reserve Bank."

The government aims to bring down the CAD, which touched a record high of 4.8 per cent of GDP in 2012-13, to 3.7 per cent of GDP (USD 70 billion) this fiscal. GDP growth slowed to a decade low of 5 per cent in the last fiscal. The RBI has pegged growth at 5.5 per cent in this fiscal.

Sacrificing growth on account of high interest rates was only for the short term, Subbarao said.

"... RBI had run a tight monetary policy not because it does not care for growth but because it does care for growth."

The Indian rupee, which closed yesterday at a record low of 68.80 against the dollar, gained 225 paise to 66.55 today.

Subbarao said it is the RBI's "avowed policy" not to target an exchange rate and it has stayed true to that policy.

"Our efforts over the last few years, particularly the last three months, have been to smoothen volatility as the exchange rate adjusts to its market-determined level so as to make the near-term cost of adjustment less onerous for firms, households and banks," he said.

Referring to criticism that the RBI's measures have been confusing and betrayed a lack of resolve to curb volatility, Subbarao said, "Let me first of all reiterate that our commitment to curbing volatility in the exchange rate is total and unequivocal."

He, however, admitted the RBI could have communicated the rationale of its measures more effectively.

"But our actions were consistent. Our capital account measures were aimed at encouraging inflows and discouraging outflows. Also, we tightened liquidity at the short end to raise the cost of short-term money so as to curb volatility," he said.

At the same time, he added, the RBI wanted to inhibit the transmission of the interest rate signal from the short end to the long end as that would hurt the flow of credit to the productive sector of the economy.

"...it is not the policy of the RBI to resort to capital controls or reverse the direction of capital account liberalisation," Subbarao stressed. The RBI's measures did not restrict inflows or outflows by non-residents, he added.

Here are the highlights of his speech:

* RBI Governor D Subbarao says moderation in economic growth not due to central bank's tight monetary policy.

* Loose fiscal stance of the government between 2009 and 2012 curtailed RBI's monetary policy freedom, says Subbarao.

* India's economic growth slowed owing to a host of supply side constraints and governance issues: Subbarao.

* RBI's tight monetary policy was because it cared for growth: Subbarao.

* Current account deficit (CAD) may be above sustainable levels this year too: Subbarao.

* RBI not targeting a level of exchange rate for Indian rupee; curbing volatility is the primary objective: Subbarao

* Subbarao says RBI not resorting to capital controls or reversing the direction of capital account liberalisation.


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James B wrote:Tomorrow growth figures will come out

BNP Paribas cuts India's GDP forecast to 3.7 percent

http://reut.rs/18jYKc3
I remember how just after 2009 LS elections there was an upbeat mood in the economy.
Left was out of the picture and the newspapers and magazines were carrying huge no of articles how MMS and co. will launch the economy into the higher growth orbit. There was some 100 days plan which MMS as going to implement. Believing in the hype I decided to take the plunge and become a manufacturing sector entrepreneur.
4 years later I doubt anyone would've imagined the situation we are in right now. Atleast I didn't. Just when Indian economy was coming to steady flight mode, equivalent of the dark knight's joker took control of the plane.
Working in the SME industry it's apparent that tough tides are coming. The material I import has started to hit the bottomline and the way I see it would increase its smuggling and production of lower quality products. I wish if even half of total doleout money is invested in transport infra to ports, I and many like me would see their net margins improve significantly. :|
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India Land-Acquisition Bill Clears Parliament Hurdle
Purchasing land for factories and other commercial development has long been a major stumbling block for investors looking to set up or expand operations in India, with scores of multimillion-dollar projects held up in recent years as farmers opposed land-purchase plans, sometimes resorting to violence.

The 216-to-19 vote in the Lok Sabha, as India's lower house is known, came as India fights to reverse a slowdown in economic growth and strengthen export industries to shrink the country's yawning trade deficit and shore up its skidding currency, the rupee, which has fallen sharply this year.

Under the law, developers would be required to pay up to four times the market price of rural land and up to twice the value of urban land in order to acquire it for public works or industrial use. The acquirers also must pay for the relocation and resettlement of dislocated people.

"This is a historic bill which moves India further along in its rights-based approach to development," said Meenakshi Natarajan, a member of the Congress party, in Parliament. "It makes farmers and other weaker sections of society a part of the country's growth."

To become law, the bill must also be passed by the upper house, which is expected to approve it.
Is there more data on the specifics of this bill ? Nothing stands out as particularly egregious - things like paying resettlement costs are right out of what they do in PRC, where several acquisition efforts also entail the requirement that those displaced gain employment in the industry and/or equity ownership within the company. As always, the clarity of implementation would be the primary barometer of its effectiveness; GoI has passed a lot of bills that were later diluted, not implemented effectively, or a combination of things.
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During every election time, ruppee has plunged appreciably in the last 30 years.

economy is in doldrums during each of these regimes.

The only exception is NDAregime 2004.

why do congis do this

can any expersts decode this,

There seems to be a method in their madness.
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krisna wrote:During every election time, ruppee has plunged appreciably in the last 30 years.

economy is in doldrums during each of these regimes.

The only exception is NDAregime 2004.

why do congis do this

can any expersts decode this,

There seems to be a method in their madness.
This is sort of blackmail done to the business and small traders so that they pay for the election.
Earlier the stakes were small and the money to run the election was small. Now it is more difficult.

This election the numbers I have heard is that they are looking for more than $500M for the election campaign. Some are even talking about $1B+
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on internet
thank god !! most wear VIP undies... if they wore the DOLLAR brand, it would keep falling down
:lol:
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Govt might buy gold from citizens to ease rupee crisis

http://www.livemint.com/Page/Id/2.0.3119255935
India is considering a radical plan to direct commercial banks to buy gold from ordinary citizens and divert it to precious metal refiners in an attempt to curb imports and take some heat off the plunging currency.A pilot project will be launched soon, a source familiar with the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) plans told Reuters. India has the world’s third-largest current account deficit, which is approaching nearly $90 billion, driven in a large part by appetite for gold imports in the world’s biggest consumer of the metal.With 31,000 tonnes of commercially available gold in the country — worth $1.4 trillion at current prices — diverting even a fraction of that to refiners would sate domestic demand for the metal. India imported 860 tonnes of gold in 2012.

“We will start a pilot project among some banks where we will allow them to buy back gold from individual households,” the source, an official familiar with the central bank’s gold policymaking, said. “This will start soon, we have discussed (it) with banks.”

The RBI will ask the banks to buy back jewellery, bars and coins for rupees. Lenders will have tooffer better rates than pawn shops and jewellers to lure sellers.

Any talk of using the country’s gold to help meet India’s international obligations revives memories of a 1991 balance of payments crisis — when India flew 67 tonnes of gold to Europe as collateral for a loan to avoid a sovereign debt default.

Earlier on Thursday, India’s trade minister Anand Sharma said the central bank should look into the possibility of monetising gold holdings.

It was not immediately clear whether Sharma was referring to the 557.7 tonnes of gold the RBI holds in its own reserves, or gold in private hands. He did not give more details of how the proposal would work.

“I have not said there should be any mortgaging of the gold, or auction of the gold, that is incorrect. I have just said the RBI should look into ... how they can benefit the people, particularly with regard to the bonds or the monetisation,” Sharma said in response to a question in parliament. Earlier this week in comments reported in the national media, Sharma said “even if 500 tonnes is monetised at today’s value it takes care of your CAD”, or current account deficit.

Selling gold reserves may sit badly with Indians, many of whom saw the 1991 sale as a public humiliation. The secret operation was only exposed after a vehicle carrying the first consignment of bullion broke down on its way to the airport from the central bank.

“It (pledging gold) will be a desperate measure, and it will send a very wrong signal to the entire country because all the time we’ve maintained that things are under control even though things are adverse,” said Madan Sabnavis, chief economist at CARE Ratings in Mumbai.Such a sale would also dent international gold prices which took a hit earlier this year after Cyprus said it was considering selling its gold reserves to shore up its finances.

India has taken multiple steps this year to curb imports of gold, its second-biggest import after oil, including raising duty three times to 10%.The rupee, the worst-performing emerging market currency in Asia this year, rebounded from a record low on Thursday after the RBI said it will provide dollars directly to state oil companies toshore up the currency.

In comments published by The Hindu newspaper last week, David Gornall, chairman of the London Bullion Market Association, said India could raise $23 billion by swapping gold for a payable currency for a period of its choice, while remaining the long-term holder of the gold.
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Suraj wrote:India Land-Acquisition Bill Clears Parliament Hurdle
Purchasing land for factories and other commercial development has long been a major stumbling block for investors looking to set up or expand operations in India, with scores of multimillion-dollar projects held up in recent years as farmers opposed land-purchase plans, sometimes resorting to violence.

The 216-to-19 vote in the Lok Sabha, as India's lower house is known, came as India fights to reverse a slowdown in economic growth and strengthen export industries to shrink the country's yawning trade deficit and shore up its skidding currency, the rupee, which has fallen sharply this year.

Under the law, developers would be required to pay up to four times the market price of rural land and up to twice the value of urban land in order to acquire it for public works or industrial use. The acquirers also must pay for the relocation and resettlement of dislocated people.

"This is a historic bill which moves India further along in its rights-based approach to development," said Meenakshi Natarajan, a member of the Congress party, in Parliament. "It makes farmers and other weaker sections of society a part of the country's growth."

To become law, the bill must also be passed by the upper house, which is expected to approve it.
Is there more data on the specifics of this bill ? Nothing stands out as particularly egregious - things like paying resettlement costs are right out of what they do in PRC, where several acquisition efforts also entail the requirement that those displaced gain employment in the industry and/or equity ownership within the company. As always, the clarity of implementation would be the primary barometer of its effectiveness; GoI has passed a lot of bills that were later diluted, not implemented effectively, or a combination of things.
Strongly recommend people to pay extra registration charges and make sure that land purchases are registered at market prices and not at govt prices. I have a feeling that this 5times and 2times multiplier will be applied only to govt prices and will leave the citizens nanga.

Next scam: land acquisition for industries.
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Yesterday somebody was saying on ABP channel that in last year India has started to import 70% of edible oil from outside the country. Is there a thread where it lists the new commodities which were made here are now being imported in last 8-9 years?
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so stage seems set to compound the incompetence and malice of the Govt by robbing the citizens of the last ounce of security they have which is family gold.

vultures from the worlds financial markets will be busy peddling such "gold loan" schemes to GOI for sure in "informal talks"

one union minister has already proposed that gold be started pawning off just so the sikular regime can continue in power for a while more and paper over the cracks.

its better that petrol rise to 300/liter and edible oil to 600/liter so that blood crazed mobs fall upon lootyens dilli, burn everything down and make keema of the ruling class. let us also have our arab spring...its much needed as the ruling octopus will never surrender power peacefully and "democratic process" in india is just a means for state machinery to muzzle all opposition and cling on to power.
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land bill ,the final nail in the coffin of economy ? it makes land acq tougher not easier...
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>>its better that petrol rise to 300/liter and edible oil to 600/liter so that blood crazed mobs fall upon lootyens dilli, burn everything down and make keema of the ruling class. let us also have our arab spring...its much needed as the ruling octopus will never surrender power peacefully and "democratic process" in india is just a means for state machinery to muzzle all opposition and cling on to power.


that ll happen too..gold loan or no gold loan...
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vina wrote:
Austin wrote:Good Point , But isnt the idea here to trade with your own currency and bypass dollar , in that case the country with which we are trading should be willing to accept a payment other then USD and Rupee Payment for trade.
See, the way it works is like this. India and Russia can have roughly $2b in Rupee_Ruble swap (with base rates indexed to dollars), so that you dont have to exchage a total of $7b, but pay only the $2b you run as deficit in dollars.

Same you can do with China and UAE etc. So a UAE company importing from India will pay in Rupees and an Indian company importing from UAE will pay in Dirhams , as both will tap the Dirham-Rupee swap window.

What in effect this does is reduce demand for USD-INR in the markets and reduces the volume of trading and ability of large demand (and supply) fluctuations to move the market in a big way like what would happen otherwise.
did not get this..could u explain the mechanism? u mean suppose india and rodina do 7b of trade....india pays them 13k crore INR and russia pays us 6.5k crore rouble..and 3b in USD?
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Now that Rupee is gone past 65 , Will it in the future ever recover to say 55 or below that once economy improves , or should we consider above Rs 65 for Rupee as new Normal ?
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did not get this..could u explain the mechanism? u mean suppose india and rodina do 7b of trade....india pays them 13k crore INR and russia pays us 6.5k crore rouble..and 3b in USD?
Its like this. India exports $2.5b , Russia exports $4.5b, with the deficit being $2b in Russia's favor . So really if you have a currency swap, only $2b needs to exchang cash as dollars in the total $7b trade.

So if we have a currency swap worth $2.5b with Russian, we can buy $2.5b worth of ruble stuff and Russia buys $2.5b worth of rupee stuff and that exchange happens via the currency swap window. The remaining , we pay in Dollars.

What that does is, you have to go and buy only $2.5b in the market, instead of $4.5b (okay, the inflows also in dollars will drop commensurately). This is useful in a situation as current where there is a scarcity of dollars and can help you tide over short term crunches.
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The People's Republic of China has multiple year currency swap agreements of the Renminbi with Argentina, Belarus, Brazil, Hong Kong, Iceland, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea and Uzbekistan that perform a similar function to central bank liquidity swaps.[12][13][14][15]
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India finds price of expats' patriotism elusive as growth fades

Don't know if this news was discussed here...but since this article touches upon NRI patriotism, the more interesting question to me is what exactly is the action that would constitute patriotism ?

Since when was patriotism about bailing out a medieval, anti-meritocratic dynasty and assisting in its ravaging of the country ? If anything, I would think it is the patriotic duty of every NRI to short the rupee so that the country is forced to get a government that actually functions and is effective for the long-term.
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The most patriotic thing to do ATM is to get all those Swiss Account Money of Netas back to India , that would be the most Patriotic thing for them to do .... rather then questioning NRI or Indian Citizen patriotism ..... as they say charity begins at home.
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Is there really trillions of dollars worth of Indian Black money parked in Swiss and Caymon Islands Banks or is this one of the urban myths being peddled. What is the proof that this kind of money is parked and really what can any Indian Govt do to get this money back without any leverage with swiss Chakku.
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To play the devil's advocate: if the Food Security Bill is really the vote security bill, then it means that a majority of Indian citizens want it. What is wrong with a democratic government acting according to the wishes of its citizens? :twisted:

Most of the reforms that have benefited India have been done despite much public opposition, and even today the average Indian is ambiguous at best about the benefits of reforms. Organizations within civil society must change public opinion, not the government; any government is going to be too busy hanging on for dear life and will go whichever way the wind blows.

All the comments on this thread about how populist policies like NREGA, FSB etc have ruined the country only support what many Chinese people seem to feel: countries may not be ready for democracy till they achieve a certain level of wealth; till then, reforms will need to be pushed through against the will of the people. Poor, uneducated people are not the best judges of their own long term welfare.
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Abhijeet wrote:To play the devil's advocate: if the Food Security Bill is really the vote security bill, then it means that a majority of Indian citizens want it. What is wrong with a democratic government acting according to the wishes of its citizens? :twisted: .
To quote Sir Humphrey Appleby -
subsidy should not be for what people want. Subsidy should be for what people do not want, but ought to have. If they want something, they will pay for it themselves
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http://www.rediff.com/business/report/r ... 130828.htm
Rupee fall brings cheer to Reliance Industries
August 28, 2013 09:49 IST
The rupee falling against the dollar is bringing cheer to Mukesh Ambani-controlled Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL), which exports two-third of its refined products.

A weaker rupee means bigger benefits for the company, as both its gross refining margins and petrochemical spreads are denominated in the dollar.

In the past three months, the rupee has depreciated 16 per cent against the dollar.

“Domestic sales of refined products/petchemical products/exploration and production are all benchmarked to the dollar. RIL is among the beneficiaries of the rupee’s slide,” said Samuel Lee and Neil Gupte of JPMorgan in a note on RIL.
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I do not yet have the specifics. But this land acquisition bill would have been a good legal measure for a socio-economic situation that is trying to come out of Black money-fractitous land holdings syndrome and the economy is growing. Presently the Rules and regulations under the bill are still not in place which will clear the picture significantly. Could be that the Bill gets passed with UPA but the rules get framed by NDA :).

The Bill is about acquisition by government or in PPP mode. So pure corporate deals will not get hit. But Roads esp. expressways, ports, airports, warehousing facilities may become funny business. If people remember the Noida Extension drama 1/2 years back. The risk for that gets increased. Do not see this act affecting settled places. But agricultural land acquistion for infrastructural purposes is definitely going to get politicized heavily.

Black money - This is invariably a part of the deal. The acquirers will be forced to ask land sellers to come up in market rates instead of circle rates. This is good actually.

Fractitious land holdings - Major headache. As it is contiguity of land was difficult now you got to deal with every neta in panchayat. If the project is promoted by NaMo and some two bit Kongi Panchayat decides to play spoilsport then you got a Nandigram everywhere.

Economic conditions - Right now we need new projects launched and finished. We need a better land management bill that can give a faster consolidation of land and helps the negotiations along instead of creating fiefdoms. To me it looks like a taking of the initiative by the empire to threaten a poisoning of the well for the future government.

Seems like one of those measures that the goody two shoes kind of people suggest. Though I would not fight all of it all the time. Got to deal with it the way you deal with goody two shoes.
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Abhijeet wrote: Organizations within civil society must change public opinion, not the government; any government is going to be too busy hanging on for dear life and will go whichever way the wind blows.
For somebody from the corporate sector, you seem to have a rather poor sense of accountability. If any startup or corporate followed your advice of not making management accountable for its decisions, that would be one firm clearly headed down the tubes. Which is precisely what has happened to the Indian economy...

Secondly, you seem to have bought into the burkhawala last-resort argument of all parties being 'the same onlee'.... Please rid your mind of that baggage - the Congress is the party for reforms aimed at redistribution. The BJP is the party for reforms aimed at growth. That's is a pretty major philosophical distinction. This is not to say that the BJP would not go for redistribution schemes or that the Congress would not implement growth-oriented reforms -but the primary orientation of the two parties' economic agendas is hard to miss.
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RamaY wrote:
Strongly recommend people to pay extra registration charges and make sure that land purchases are registered at market prices and not at govt prices. I have a feeling that this 5times and 2times multiplier will be applied only to govt prices and will leave the citizens nanga.

Next scam: land acquisition for industries.
From the bill on page 14
) The Collector shall adopt the following criteria in assessing and determining the market value of the land, namely:—
(a) the minimum land value, if any, specified in the Indian Stamp Act, 1899 for the registration of sale deeds or agreements to sell, as the case may be, in the area, where the land is situated; or
(b) the average sale price for similar type of land situated in the nearest village or nearest vicinity area.
whichever is higher:

Explanation 1.—The average sale price referred to in clause (b) shall be determined taking into account the sale deeds or the agreements to sell registered for similar type of area in the near village or near vicinity area during immediately preceding three years of the year in which such acquisition of land is proposed to be made.
http://www.prsindia.org/uploads/media/L ... 202011.pdf
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by the way, SEZ as well as many usuals are outside the scope.

The land values are doubled in rural areas. Then there is provision for extra 100% called solatium for the forcible acquisition.

Basically around 200% of stamp value in urban and 300%-400%(need to carefully understand solatium) in rural over stamp values is the minimum basic compensation. Also,
Acquired land which has been unused for 10 years from the date of possession shall be returned to the Land Bank of
the government. If any unused acquired land is transferred to another individual, 20 per cent of the appreciated land
value shall have to be shared amongst the original land owners.
Ofcourse, the above provision will be violated by routing through two transfers.
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gakakkad wrote:land bill ,the final nail in the coffin of economy ? it makes land acq tougher not easier...
How?
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Austin wrote:The most patriotic thing to do ATM is to get all those Swiss Account Money of Netas back to India , that would be the most Patriotic thing for them to do .... rather then questioning NRI or Indian Citizen patriotism ..... as they say charity begins at home.
VikasRaina wrote:Is there really trillions of dollars worth of Indian Black money parked in Swiss and Caymon Islands Banks or is this one of the urban myths being peddled. What is the proof that this kind of money is parked and really what can any Indian Govt do to get this money back without any leverage with swiss Chakku.
Saar,
the zwiss economy itself is in big mess for sometime, it seems. So, all the money must have been absorbed just like german gold in amirkhan vaults.

All these small island taxhavens, it seems, are connected to Raj in landonisthan. All the funds must have been mostly sucked.

If people suddenly ask the money to be returned, I think they will shown a big thenga(middle finger).

Basically, people loot and cheat their countrymen and country to make lots of moolah and then put all that into these tax havens. From there, the real masterminds(the global elites), cheat the cheaters and loot the looters. And if your blackmoney is stolen, you can't even complaint publicly. This is called hera pheri.

Pandurangahari saar,
if the gold is not in vaults, then where is it?
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1991 vs 2013: Sonia-Singh duo fails to strike a chord with rivals as Narasimha Rao did 22 years ago.

Bipartisanship — or cohesion among our political classes — made all the difference in 1991 — as opposed to now — with India staring at a faltering economy, say negotiators, bureaucrats and politicians who had worked towards overcoming balance of payments crisis of the 1990s.

"Call it formal or informal, but there was a great degree of bipartisanship in what was happening in 1991 when it came to decisive steps," says a person who had negotiated with the IMF and World Bank to get finance "at the shallowest" possible conditions. He asked not to be named. He says what was most remarkable then were the "back channels of communication" between the ruling side and the opposition.

Many others who had watched how the government had managed to take their rivals into confidence say RV Pandit, a publisher who was friends with people in high places in politics and business, carried "the messages from prime minister PV Narasimha Rao and then finance minister Manmohan Singh to BJP veterans AB Vajpayee and LK Advani and back".

Recalls NK Singh, ex-IAS officer: "There was total unity of purpose within the government. It was clear that India was in a deep balance of payments crisis and symmetric integrated action was required. Considering the different directions in which different ministries are continuing to pull the situation today is different than the government of 1991."

Singh, currently a JD(U) MP, confirms there were "vigorous backchannels" in which key opposition players were in the loop and consulted both about the unfolding crisis and the need for a decisive step.

Another bureaucrat who was close to the matter says that "the team work" was crucial. In 1991, says he, the team that "Dr Singh constituted" carried on for a long time, "ensuring continuity, domain knowledge and experience" to take on myriad of challenges. "This is not quite the case now. Not only there is no informal communication between the government and the opposition but also there is bickering within the UPA on how to handle the crisis," says he.

A senior Congress leader, who had worked closely with Rao and Singh in the 1990s, says "dismantling a team at the finance ministry to suit one's personal liking has taken us nowhere". He didn't elaborate though it was clear that the reference was to previous FM Pranab Mukherjee whose tenure saw the dismantling of what he calls a "team of experienced officials".

"In 1991 all of Rao's men were on the same page, be it Singh, P Chidambaram, Gopi Arora, Montek Ahluwalia, JS Baijal and others," says the Congress leader. Now, while the UPA has hit out at BJP leader Yashwant Sinha for not "cooperating" to fight a serious national crisis, Sinha lashed out at the Singh government for not convening a single meeting with the opposition to discuss the issue.

"Even a bipartisan support at this juncture will not help. Nothing will help except the resignation of this government and fresh election... The rupee is under attack and there are signs of a balance of payments crisis," he says.

CPM polit bureau member Sitaram Yechury shares Sinha's view. A BJP leader familiar with the negotiations of the 1990s says various departments of the Rao government stayed cohesive despite differences.

A former finance ministry official adds, "Dr Singh had, for instance, met the then petroleum minister with a proposal to divest a small portion of equity of one of the oil companies, which was necessary to meet the requirements of a large ADB-assisted loan." He goes on: "The minister, B Shankaranand, resisted because he said these were temples that had been built by Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and Indira Gandhi. Their successor should not preside over committing such a sacrilege on what were described as temples of modern India."

However, "the economic compulsions of the moment were realised and the decisions were implemented", this official, who had negotiated with the likes of Michel Camdessus, then MD of IMF, for finances, told ET. He credits Chidambaram with "bringing in radical changes signalling that imports were not undesirable or unwelcome, lowering tariffs significantly, removing quantitative restrictions in a major way and committing for recalibrating the applied tariff to what successive finance ministers thereafter described as aligning tariffs with average Asian rates". He attacked the government for being unable to overcome resistance from trade unions and others in opening the coal sector.

Another government official quoted former US treasury secretary Larry Summers as saying that Indian leaders are busy reversing reforms initiated 22 years ago. Of course, says this official, there are global variables on which our leaders have no control over.

The Euro crisis is far from over. The US economy has gone through a terrible downturn after the financial crisis. "I think that it will be unfair not to recognise this even while holding the policy makers responsible for the current crisis," says he.

The official adds, "Thanks to our rulers rendering our economy uncompetitive, many industries, including the garment industry, an important source of exports, have relocated to Bangladesh." "They say we have come a long way since 1991. Have we really?" he asks.
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Germany is only taking part of its gold back. The New York Fed will still hold 37% of it. There is no missing gold. It is a propaganda lie committed by Ru-Today.

http://econintersect.com/b2evolution/bl ... -happening
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Why does gold matter to one&only superpower USA and another industrial powerhouse Germany.
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johneeG wrote:
Pandurangahari saar,
if the gold is not in vaults, then where is it?
johneeG sir,

Image
As you can see from the charts above, high NYSE margin debt shows that the speculators own the stocks at these levels (presumably bought from the long-term holders who now have high cash balances). Conversely, the lowest level of Comex net gold speculator longs in a decade with the lowest level of GLD ETF holdings since it became on most investors’ radar in 2009, shows you that it is the long-term holder who currently owns the gold. The stale investors in gold over the last several years have sold it to them. Who is that likely to be? As you would suspect it is likely to be the central banks and the emerging economic powerhouses of the proverbial BRIC countries.
link/

Basically it means all those who have held GLD shares have encashed then and taken delivery of the gold. Passing the parcel is ok, but when the music stops who will be holding worthless paper?
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Please this forum is not for PR of western countries and interest of western countries.
There is no need for western propaganda from the western news reports here

This is a serious INDIA INTEREST FORUM.
Please do not try to justify western policies here.
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Devaluation in 1966.


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-sto ... /1121158/1

Indira Gandhi's decision to devalue the rupee in 1966, as Lal Bahadur Shastri had intended to do, was controversial

On June 6, 1966, less than six months after coming to power, Indira Gandhi announced a 35 per cent devaluation of the rupee and courted much greater and deeper trouble than at any time until then. The word "tsunami", not in vogue at that time, would have been an appropriate description of the storm of protest that greeted her. Several newspapers reported the next morning that as soon as the announcement was made on All India Radio at 9 pm, "all hell broke loose". The devaluation, most Indians believed, was the "ultimate" in her "sell-out to America". (Some numerologists said later that the combination of the sixth day of the sixth month of the 66th year of the century was "manifestly ominous".) There was exquisite irony in this, however. For, while Indira Gandhi did carry the can, the decision to devalue the rupee was all but taken in the time of Lal Bahadur Shastri. But he could not announce it before leaving for Tashkent for peace talks with President Ayub Khan of Pakistan under Soviet auspices on January 3. This happened because it was only on the last day of 1965 that he could ease out then Finance Minister T.T. Krishnamachari (better known as TTK), who was stoutly resisting devaluation. Shastri's trusted advisers—his secretary, L.K. Jha, the governor of the Reserve Bank, P. C. Bhattacharya, and the ambassador to the United States, B.K. Nehru — had persuaded him much earlier that devaluation was good for India. They had also told him bluntly that until TTK was sacked, there could be no devaluation. During the early part of her career as prime minister, Indira Gandhi's grasp of economic issues was virtually non-existent. In fact, she once told a press conference that the two greatest economic problems before the country were "inflation and rising prices". The press corps had laughed indulgently. On devaluation, therefore, she was guided by the same advisers that she had inherited room Shastri. This ime round, however,these officials had the crucial support of two politicians the prime minister liked: agriculture minister C. Subramaniam, and deputy chairman of the Planning Commission, Asoka Mehta. Finance Minister Sachin Chaudhuri, appointed by Shastri after ousting TTK, was an eminent lawyer and a man of impeccable manners. But in economics and finance, he was illiterate. He, therefore, did whatever he was told. At 9.30 pm on June 6, he made a broadcast to the nation justifying evaluation. It was written by others and the text was handed to him an hour earlier. All discussions on the subject were held in such strict secrecy that the cabinet was informed of it only at the eleventh hour. Only Manu bhai hah, the highly competent minister for foreign trade, dissented. All others duly fell in line. At this late stage, it occurred to Indira Gandhi thats he must consult the powerful Congress president, K.Kamaraj. When he came and was told what as afoot, he hit the ceiling. This was the first grim warning she received about what she had landed herself into.



Somewhat shaken,she even thought of "postponing" the decision, but discovered that her second thoughts were too late. The IMF had already been notified. Referring to all this, a top finance ministry official said to me a few months later: "I don't know why you people made so much fuss. It was a matter handled by two Gujarat is, using just one word of their language. From Washington, J.J. Anjaria, India's executive director at the IMF, rang and asked 'Barobar?' From Delhi, the chief economic adviser, I.G. Patel, replied 'Barobar', and the deed was done." In Parliament, the left, right and centrists on opposition benches united to condemn the devaluation of the rupee. Many members on the government benches silently agreed with them. In those days, disruption of parliamentary proceedings was unheard of. Members did get highly agitated over some issues, but they expressed themselves with due decorum. The scene over devaluation was unprecedented. Member after member in the opposition got up, made a short statement about how appalled he/ she was over the Indira Gandhi government's "sellout" and staged a walkout.

While she publicly defended devaluation, privately she acknowledged that she had been "taken for a ride". Her advisers had misled her, and the Americans had let her down. The $900-million-a-year aid package had failed to materialise. She had assured the people that the aid she had accepted was without strings. People now jeered that she was stuck with "strings without aid". This made her angry, but much the greater was her fury against the "perfidy" of her confidants and counsellors. Having been an insecure, even paranoid, person

since her childhood, she was now determined not to trust anyone.
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