Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2013 14:56

The questions to be asked, if we had an independent media, would be.

What was he doing when the ordinance was being drafted?
Why the need to barge in on the Press conference?
Why the Angry middle aged man Avatar?

But, no one from the MSM will raise, these and other questions.

This was either an act of great calibration and deliberation from his handlers.

If not, then this shows a surprising lack of maturity and a display of a great deal of impulsiveness from Rahul.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 15:02

ordinance already rejected, thats why so much thamasha

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 15:12

15:28 Flummoxed Manish Tewari on Rahul's statement : Information and Broadcasting Minister Manish Tewari on Rahul Gandhi's statement that the ordinance was nonsense:

"If Rahul Gandhi has said something, it is not in my knowledge. You have just informed me about it, we will take cognisance of its (his words) and whatever response needs to be given on it, that will be given," Tewari said.

"If you see from legal point of view, it has been often noticed that subordinates courts, whatever decisions they take, superior courts take note of that and most of the times it has been found that superior courts overrule lower court judgements, he said.

"So the judiciary is a structure and according to that structure if a higher court stays a decision by lower court, then the principle of natural justice should be followed," Tewari said in support of the ordinance.

"What is the response on it by our Vice President (Rahul Gandhi), that is not in my cognisance. We will give you any response needed on it," the Minister said.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 27 Sep 2013 15:13

He may be doing it to stop Vadra from emerging as his rival to the throne in future.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 15:14

krishnan wrote:
14:29 Rahul: All parties including mine do this because of political considerations: Rahul Gandhi came out strongly against his own party and says, "All parties including mine does this because of political considerations. This the time to stop this nonsense. We need to stop making these compromises. If we want to fight corruption in this country, we need to stop making these compromises."

hmmmm , i dont think mama told him to do this, its going against his own people, i wonder why he did this

Sonia-Raul and their NAC coterie has always , I mean ALWAYS ... gave statements which go counter to the govt policy on all issues where the govt decision may turn out to be unpopular and the govt wants to ultimately play a dilatory game.

Sonia regularly used to give statements on issues like - like food security bill , raising of wages for Nregs workers, "minority" reservation , batla house encounter , terrorist investigations etc etc where ever the vote bank mood was against the current govt policy , yet the govt has no political or financial capital to take provotebank decisions. The farce has been going on for 10 years now in the Indian media . Am I the only one noticing this or what ?

The outlets like AL-Hundi, Toilet , Non Indian Exp, YindoolessStan times etc used to put lot of coverage on madam jis statements contrary to the govt's stated positions and projected her as some boon giving goddess - who forces pennypinching finance ministers like Chidambaram,Pranab or " Muslim victimizing " home ministers to act with the interests of the poor and the muslims first .

They have created a pretty slick setup actually - by first avoiding any accountability for their actions through NAC while mealymouthing against the govt line to conserve their image and play for time.

These drama acts put up by the mother and son and played out to the masses by the Paid media in tow - is the basis for their supposed charishma.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 27 Sep 2013 15:16

This is just a show to make the casual observer say 'hey lookie congress is corrupt but RG saar is not. So there is still hope in INC onree'.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 15:17

BTW twitter is down, too much overload i guess

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Sep 2013 15:22

"Is this a government or a theatrical production? With such drama, the Congress will not be able to hide the government's failures...," said Naqvi.

Kongress has gone nuts. First they outsourced it all to DVS fellow and Sanjay Jha. Now we know why they did it.

And here is the MSM take on the comment:
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-ht/DEL ... 7-NOR.html

Notice - Its not a bird, its not a plane, its not even Dainik Jagaran / Bhaskar, its Daily Bhaskar.

Vadra now appears like a Sadhu Mahatma.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 27 Sep 2013 15:38

From twitter
The Kaipullai ‏@thekaipullai
BJP's reaction on Barkha Dutt's proclamation that Rahul Gandhi will now steer Congress pic.twitter.com/VtLIEMSpV7

rajeshkathiriya · Post by **rajeshkathiriya** » 27 Sep 2013 15:43

How administration work in NaMo's Gujarat

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 115919.cms

Over 300mm of rains in 24 hours coupled with constant release of 4.25 lakh cusecs of water in the river is enough to wreak havoc on any urban city. A week it takes for a ravaged city to return to normal. However, the Diamond City took just eight hours to be back on its toes.

Resilient Surtis in around 70 per cent of the city areas that were inundated were up and running by Thursday morning.

When the waters receded on Wednesday night, around 10,000 employees of Surat Municipal Corporation (SMC) were out on the field to perform the clean-up operation.

Most of the city areas like Adajan, Pal, Rander, Palanpur, Umara, Piplod, Ghod Dod Road, City Light, Sagrampura and Kadarshah ni Nal, etc. were cleaned up till Thursday morning.

Around 151 teams consisting of 2,354 safai workers had fanned out in the flood-affected areas. All the roads were washed with water and then sprayed with Melathium powder and lime dust for sanitization.

Nearly 25 tonnes of sanitization material was used. Even the health department sprayed phenyl to disinfect certain areas. There was no trace of flood left.

EH Pathan, executive engineer (solid waste), told TOI, "We have cleared around 1,500 tonnes of waste from the flood-affected areas in western parts of the city."

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 27 Sep 2013 15:47

^Hmm, DDM must be downhill skiing right about now.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 15:52

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... d-straight

spread this blog,

Which government – UPA or NDA – has been better for India’s economic and social indicators? Dismiss the rhetoric and stick to the facts. In this analysis, I’ve chosen 10 key parameters. They cover both economic and social criteria.

Conclusion: UPA scores above NDA on one of the 10 parameters (GDP growth), is level on one other parameter (fiscal deficit) while NDA does better than UPA on the remaining eight parameters.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Sep 2013 15:57

and this growth was the tail effect of the NDA rule....like a hijacked glider they rode it up for a while on momentum, then the slide inevitably began. plus they spent most of 2004-2009 fighting for survival with the CPI(M) so didnt get a chance to do as much damage.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 15:58

rajeshkathiriya wrote:How administration work in NaMo's Gujarat

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 115919.cms

Over 300mm of rains in 24 hours coupled with constant release of 4.25 lakh cusecs of water in the river is enough to wreak havoc on any urban city. A week it takes for a ravaged city to return to normal. However, the Diamond City took just eight hours to be back on its toes.

Resilient Surtis in around 70 per cent of the city areas that were inundated were up and running by Thursday morning.

When the waters receded on Wednesday night, around 10,000 employees of Surat Municipal Corporation (SMC) were out on the field to perform the clean-up operation.

Most of the city areas like Adajan, Pal, Rander, Palanpur, Umara, Piplod, Ghod Dod Road, City Light, Sagrampura and Kadarshah ni Nal, etc. were cleaned up till Thursday morning.

Around 151 teams consisting of 2,354 safai workers had fanned out in the flood-affected areas. All the roads were washed with water and then sprayed with Melathium powder and lime dust for sanitization.

Nearly 25 tonnes of sanitization material was used. Even the health department sprayed phenyl to disinfect certain areas. There was no trace of flood left.

EH Pathan, executive engineer (solid waste), told TOI, "We have cleared around 1,500 tonnes of waste from the flood-affected areas in western parts of the city."

Disproves all the Paid Media claims that
- NM is one man show
- nothing happens without NM on the ground because he doesn't trust others
- (lesser) gods cursed Surat for voting for NM
- Gujrat is always backward/forward

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 27 Sep 2013 16:07

Growth during UPA1 was due to the momentum of NDA rule and the same continued. No jobs or infrastructure was created for the last 10 years and only marks that can be given were on the loot they indulged in.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2013 16:32

I don't think any of the speeches he gave since he became candidate PM beats his own speech at chennai few years back.. check it out for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbPPI-l4X1o

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2013 16:34

Singha wrote:and this growth was the tail effect of the NDA rule....like a hijacked glider they rode it up for a while on momentum, then the slide inevitably began. plus they spent most of 2004-2009 fighting for survival with the CPI(M) so didnt get a chance to do as much damage.

GDP growth is like examination results, you don't get 5h standard results while studying 5th standard, you get it during 6th standard. similarly, GDP growth represents 3-4 years back governance. 1998-02 growth reflects 94-98 governance, 2004-08 reflects 2000-04 governance and 2009-13 represents 2005-09 governance.

So we are now facing UPA-1 rule results and it will continue for 3-4 years to turn things around.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 16:35

is it just coincidence that he wore the same dress code yesterday ???

rajkumar · Post by **rajkumar** » 27 Sep 2013 16:51

You watch Rahul Ghandhi is going to be the new PM once MMS gets back from NewYork.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Sep 2013 16:51

The 3-4 year lag was spoken of in a different context, that of war time manufacturing, earlier too. But the basic principle of the same does apply to our case too.

However my view is that we still are a good proposition because of many different reasons and we will move out of the rut faster then the 3-4 years gap being feared. Primarily because a lot of bad weather is because of mismanagement of short term decisions, which can be set right faster by any government that is not bound by a votes-for-cash program or its flip side for a weak successor government - horse trading.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Sep 2013 16:52

^^aapke muh mein ghee shakkar... RG donning PM mantle at this stage is a boon to the opposition. only.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 16:59

Subramanian Swamy ‏@Swamy39 1m

Got inside info : Buddhu/moron was high on cocaine

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 27 Sep 2013 17:17

Shouldn't the PM quit now?

He couldn't get the bill passed and he can't get the ordinance passed.

If it was a calculated move by RG then good on him. I have written before, INC is unlikely to bank on UPA performance and RG is going to distance himself from UPA more and more. Ultimately he would like to be seen as an outsider and not part of congress system.

Namo's turn now.

apoorv · Post by **apoorv** » 27 Sep 2013 17:20

I think the plan was this all along. BJP preempted this by going to the president before the drama was executed. This was supposed to be Rahul's equivalent of "I dont want to be PM" gesture of Sonia. A highly virtuous, empathic for poor and non power hungry neta putra.

He should stop pretending to be Buddha as he is coming across more as Buddhu. Governance ideas will work far better than this dramabazi. This is not Nehru's 1950s, this is not even Sonia's 2004. Social media revolution will not let the paid media pass the message as it was intended.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 27 Sep 2013 17:43

modi is a state of mind onlee !!

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 27 Sep 2013 18:02

krishnan wrote:
Subramanian Swamy ‏@Swamy39 1m

Got inside info : Buddhu/moron was high on cocaine

A packet of 'bad cocaine' might come handy some day

. Similar to Pramod Mahajan's secretory Moitra.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Sep 2013 18:05

BJP to contest in 450 Lok Sabha seats in 2014: Rajnath Singh - DNA

"We may contest in 450 seats and target to win 272 of them," he told reporters here.

Asked about the additional 100 seats the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) will contest, given it is perceived as being strong only in the Hindi heartland and in some other areas that have around 300-350 Lok Sabha constituencies, he said: "We will also be contesting in the south. We are growing in south."

The BJP chief said poll alliances with potential parties are part of the BJP's strategy and announcements on these would be made at appropriate time. Alliance talks are not being held in Tamil Nadu with the parties now, he said

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2013 18:13

If BJP can't get UP, MH, BR, while retaining the rest, and increasing presence in other states.. all these modifying aspects of good governance goes to trash and can't match the dark forces. chanceless.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Sep 2013 18:17

Anyway for all that Modi/BJP is doing to improve their tally, congress continues to play its own game in a very different way.

Bottom line is BJP and Congress will end up somewhere between 115-120 seats each without UP and Bihar. I used to add jharkhand as unpredictable, but I think no more. Even if they get marandi, jharkhand will go the congress way this time. In fact in 2004 Marandi was the CM and was with BJP, and congress swept Jharkhand, the cong-jmm combine will do well. I can post how i came up with the 115-120 if anyone wants.

So the battle is just these 2 states. To be fair to BJP, it is not in their hands in these 2 states. If cong goes with lalu in bihar, i dont see BJP crossing 10-12 seats. Of course lalu will give congress a very small share of the pie and congress may get just 4 seats.

If congress goes with Nitish, it maybe better for BJP, but still their tallies will be around the same, BJP may get 3-4 seats more. So overall their max is 15 and congress 5. So at this stage barring UP, BJP may get 130 seats and congress 125.

If congress does a deal with maya, BJP can forget returning to power.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 18:17

gakakkad wrote:modi is a state of mind onlee !!

Didnt we see a DDM article on that as well, where someone tried to scare us that under NM every citizen will become like a mini-NM

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 18:25

Now one can see where the "state of mind " statements were coming from
Its all cocaine effect onlee.

"When cocaine is in mind every thing else is a state of mind onlee"

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 27 Sep 2013 18:26

kmkraoind wrote:BJP to contest in 450 Lok Sabha seats in 2014: Rajnath Singh - DNA

"We may contest in 450 seats and target to win 272 of them," he told reporters here.

Asked about the additional 100 seats the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) will contest, given it is perceived as being strong only in the Hindi heartland and in some other areas that have around 300-350 Lok Sabha constituencies, he said: "We will also be contesting in the south. We are growing in south."

The BJP chief said poll alliances with potential parties are part of the BJP's strategy and announcements on these would be made at appropriate time. Alliance talks are not being held in Tamil Nadu with the parties now, he said

Sheer magic, I tell you. You think of some logical move for BJP, like expanding the no. of seats contested to maximize gains from the wave. Next thing you know, they're doing it. Shows that the thought process is logical and focused. Good going.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Sep 2013 18:26

Gus wrote:
SwamyG wrote: Make a language compulsory?
don't poke the language warriors man...

Saar, he could have at least spoken in English ,no

he once spoke to thuglaq's audience in English.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Sep 2013 18:41

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 27 Sep 2013 18:44

SwamyG wrote:Saar, he could have at least spoken in English ,no he once spoke to thuglaq's audience in English.

Yes, I pointed this out earlier and was roundly trashed for it.
BJP constantly makes this mistake in TN. Bringing in Hindi speaking politicians.

He is going to have to ally with DMK or AIADMK. These are the only parties with the muscle power to get people to the polls. All the smaller parties depend on their organization. Rajnikanth helps NM but will Rajni commit….

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Sep 2013 18:48

Subramanian Swamy ‏@Swamy39 1m

Got inside info : Buddhu/moron was high on cocaine

Buddhu may have been high, but IMO this could be a "Sonia is angry" kind of natak. Some Ghandi hangers-on like Milind Deora had already opposed the ordinance yesterday.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Sep 2013 18:53

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bajwa ... p/1175043/

This is the worst news of the day. I guess punjab is also going to be tough now. In 2012 assembly election, weighted average vote share of SAD-BJP is 41.9%. Congress + BSP is 44.41. BSP brings that critical 4.3% extra vote.

On the same analysis, if we pick up the 2012 results of punjab assembly and translate them to parliament, as expected BJP and SAD would have swept the polls with 11 of the 14 parliamentary seats. BUT BUT, add BSP to congress votes and bloddy hell, BJP+SAD will get just 4 of the 14.

I am telling u guys, this congress + BSP alliance can just wreck NDA. I thought they would just do it UP. But if they do it nationwide, damn it, places like punjab, areas of MP, Maharashtra where BSP has 3-4% vote, will kill BJP. Congress may really do this deal.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 Sep 2013 18:54

Theo, though he customizes some parts of speech to suit local politics and situations, I think every speech he makes is now targeted at the whole of India. And I am sure some one will edit the translation out, and package just his oratory for consumption to national or hindi audience. That is the only reason I see, for he is capable of speaking in English and shown courtesy of using it earlier. He does not speak to the local audience anymore. But for the sake of people in TN, I do wish he had used English.

I am surprised he did not speak anything on DMK, is he keeping his options option? But why do you bring DMK into picture? After how DMK sided with INC in scams, how can BJP possibly face the public by aligning with DMK?

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 27 Sep 2013 18:56

Theo ji,

BJP has at most 2% votes in the seats outside of the 350 they are targeting. These places they can at best play a supporter's role in a coalition. This is true of even TN. Even more importantly, Amma will not join the coalition because she needs support for her TN seats. She will join because of what comes after the elections.

For the 2% that are willing to listen to BJP the agenda is considerably different. These 2% will not get impressed by BJP walas spouting Tamil all of a sudden.

The logic remains the same for even the Muslims that were recently asked to join the rallies with their choice attire. If a Muslim come to BJP he will not come for reason of sartorial approbation.

BJP will have to work the traditional way. The tradition established by other politicians in this civilization much before BJP came into being. That of striking meaningful friendships and working relationships backed by strength and shared strength.

Though yes if there are good Tamil candidates within BJP, then they surely should have been exposed more. Since most well educated folk in the south Indian states speak multiple vernacular languages, so yes, good candidates that are not Tamil could also have been exposed better. But then who knows if these things were not discussed and shot down by some potential coalition partner.

This is not about language chauvinism. Rather its an acknowledgement of the self-limitations. BJP does not really have people like PVNR who could speak many different languages.

JMHT.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Sep 2013 19:03

Just saw clip from Buddhu's statement in Maken's press conference. The guy does really seem to be dangerously mentally unstable. The kind of guy who might go on a shooting spree some day.