Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

[Philip]

Lisa,I've read several books on the Hess controversy.There are other books tangential ,which also supply enough extra info as to the actual truth of the matter.The clinching evidence was the so-called "suicide" of the fake Hess in Spandau,the recent revelations that he was bumped off by the Brits,as it was shown that he couldn't have hanged himself,and the fact that his body did not carry his war wound! After the war,Anthony Blunt,the expert on the royal art collection (later found out to be a Soviet soy) was sent on a secret mission to Germany to recover ultra-sensitive documents,letters,etc.,which would've allegedly brought the royal family into great disrepute, due to its wartime connections with Hitler and the Nazis.It is a fact that there were many in the royal family and establishment,including the Duke of Windsor who were personal pals of der Fuhrer and wanted Churchill dumped in favour of a peace with Germany.Had Hess succeeded with his mission,the war most probably have ended up very differently.

[anishns]

Muslim family's fury after Morrisons sold them cheese and onion pasty with non-halal meat in it... then offered them ALCOHOL as an apology

Khan family from Cardiff was 'highly insulted' by Morrisons supermarket
Complained about meat pasty and were offered champagne as apology
Yousuf, 3, tucked into pasty before realising it contained non-halal meat


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ology.html

[Vayutuvan]

What in the heaven is a "pasty"? Sounds like a patsy.

[habal]

It seems to be cornish dish, they tried making a pastry though it really turned out to be just another pie and called it pasty to save the embarassment.

[Lalmohan]

Muslim family's fury after Morrisons sold them cheese and onion pasty with non-halal meat in it... then offered them ALCOHOL as an apology

Khan family from Cardiff was 'highly insulted' by Morrisons supermarket
Complained about meat pasty and were offered champagne as apology
Yousuf, 3, tucked into pasty before realising it contained non-halal meat


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ology.html

i find it insulting that morrissons should have to apologise for selling non-halal meat. if the khan family want to preserve their religious beliefs, they are welcome to shop at the islamic butchers shop

[eklavya]

For example the "libor fixing" thingie. There was no crime because the laws miraculously fit the requirements for tailor made non-pinnable-non-crime slots.

brihaspati-ji, it seems like the dimwits working in the Serious Fraud Office either did not receive or did not understand the memo which declared libor fixing a "tailor made non-pinnable-non-crime" thingie.

Fresh criminal action in Libor probe
July 15, 2013 3:09 pm
By Brooke Masters in London

Two former interdealer brokers who worked in rates trading with Tom Hayes, the former UBS and Citigroup trader, have been hit with criminal fraud charges for allegedly attempting to manipulate the yen-Libor rate.

Terry Farr and James Gilmour, who were arrested and released alongside Mr Hayes in December, were charged on Monday with conspiracy to defraud, the Serious Fraud Office said. Both men live in Essex and worked as rates brokers for RP Martin while Mr Hayes was working at Citi and UBS.

Mr Farr, 41, and Mr Gilmour, 48, were charged by the City of London Police at Bishopsgate police station and released. They will appear before Westminster magistrates’ court at a later date. Mr Farr faces two counts of conspiracy and Mr Gilmour faces one.

Representing Mr Farr, Katie Wheatley of law firm Bindmans said in a statement: “Mr Farr will place his trust in the court to determine a just outcome. But it is regrettable that of all the . . . organisations and individuals who may have contributed to the failings of Libor setting, the SFO has chosen to charge Mr Farr, an unqualified interbank broker who had no responsibility whatsoever for setting Libor rates – a minnow in a very large pond – for doing what he believed to be his job.”

Mr Gilmour’s lawyer could not be reached for comment. RP Martin declined to comment.

Mr Hayes, Mr Farr and Mr Gilmour are the only individuals to face UK criminal action to date in a global scandal that has seen three banks – UBS, Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland – pay a combined $2.6bn in fines for attempting to manipulate interbank lending rates. The London Interbank Offered Rate is set by taking a daily poll of panels of banks and authorities allege that traders worked with interdealer brokers to influence bank submissions in order to make money on derivatives.

Mr Hayes was charged in June with eight counts of conspiring to manipulate the Libor for Japanese yen between August 2006 and September 2010. He plans to indicate how he will plead to the charges at his next court hearing in October.

The SFO alleges that Mr Hayes engaged in a conspiracy to defraud with employees at RBS, Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan Chase, ICAP, RP Martin, Tullett Prebon, Rabobank and HSBC.

Almost 20 institutions are under investigation by 10 different national authorities, with Dutch lender Rabobank and ICAP – the world’s largest interdealer broker – among those that may eventually settle with the UK and US regulators who have been leading the probes. No deal is expected before September.

Mr Hayes and Roger Darin, a Swiss citizen involved in UBS’s submissions to the Libor rate-setting process, have also been charged criminally by the US Department of Justice. Neither Mr Hayes nor Mr Darin have indicated a plea on the US allegations.

[eklavya]

What in the heaven is a "pasty"? Sounds like a patsy.

matrimc-ji, it depends, sort-of, on your taste and appetite in these matters:

Pasty:
http://www.cornishpastyassociation.co.u ... formation/

http://www.thecornishpastyman.co.uk/wp- ... stie-2.jpg

Patsy:
http://us.cdn002.fansshare.com/photos/p ... 036396.jpg

Neither of the above is guaranteed to be halal ...

[Vayutuvan]

Eklavya ji, both look "delicious" if I may say so. There is an Indian sweetmeat called "khariya" (Telagana speak) or "kajjikAya" in seemandhra which has same shape but is filled with yummy coconut flakes, sugar and sometimes khoya (aka khova in gultland). OT may be should go to the food and wine thread.

[vinod]

Is it just me wondering that the UK govt knew something was up about this "veiled white widow" and hence the recent debate about banning veils in public.

Or may be it is just a coincidence. Anyway, I think it will act in favour of removal of veil which is good for everyone.

[Lalmohan]

vinod - mango rosbifs are getting increasingly tee'ed off about the islamic encroachment into their lives, more and more people are starting to speak up. the underground resentment is already at high levels
tolerance levels are falling

[Yagnasri]

Multi culturisum died because islamists pushed the Grits too hard. Slowly Eurebia idea is being talked openly in European streets. Sickular log there also is in denial mode even now.

[vishvak]

Don't forget pakis are frontline allies of NATO in war on terror. All ridiculous maps of mid east solutions have pukistan along with smaller jihaadi ghettos all over India. Also notice how quickly pukis got Indus river and fertile grounds of Vangal during partition- fertile valley control during disputes. Same for maoism.

The idea of secularism is extended only for some not all.

[Lalmohan]

quarter of uk young don't trust muslims

worth a read, attitudes are indeed hardening, but the soft soap peddlers continue to do their thing

[anupmisra]

quarter of uk young don't trust muslims

worth a read, attitudes are indeed hardening, but the soft soap peddlers continue to do their thing

Its the other 75% impressionable minds we need to be cautious about.

[member_23252]

Hate crime in UK: Muslims beat 69-year old Sikh pensioner to death in shop

Update: Chatham murder inquiry latest after woman’s body found

by Julia Roberts | KentOnline

Three men have appeared in court accused of the murder of Chatham pensioner Harjit Chaggar.

The body of retired machinist Mrs Chaggar, 69, was found at the Sani Globe food store in Luton Road, Chatham, on Saturday, September 14.

The mother and grandmother had been missing from her home in Hillside Terrace since September 2.

Her family made a high profile appeal for any information regarding her disappearance the day before she was found.

A post mortem examination revealed the cause of death was head and chest injuries.

Now Abdul Hannan, 44, Murshed Miah, 38, both from Maidstone, and Mohammad Islam, 28, from Gillingham, have been charged with her murder and appeared at Maidstone Crown Court today.

They stood in the dock, each dressed in grey sweatshirts and bottoms and flanked by three dock officers. Islam was helped by a Bengali interpreter.

The public gallery was packed as prosecutor Ian Hope told the court all three worked at the store.

He agreed with Judge Jeremy Carey that the case involved “substantial forensic evidence”.

[Rahul M]

the first two have typical BD names.

[Shanmukh]

quarter of uk young don't trust muslims

worth a read, attitudes are indeed hardening, but the soft soap peddlers continue to do their thing

Its the other 75% impressionable minds we need to be cautious about.

It is not just other `impressionable' minds, saar. There is a strong East European-Muslim bhai-bhai going on in UK. Have several non Russian EE friends in the 25-35 age group in UK who won't hear a word against Muslims (and they claim that their opinions are similar to that of their compatriots). It looks like the EDL and the British right are tarring all of them with the same brush. There is a camaraderie among the EE and Muslim immigrants in UK against the right. Well - we can always wait and watch what happens, no?

[Lilo]

^^ The more UQ sinks into the islamist dump the better for the surviving sections of the freeworld . UQ and its Islamist minions are still bedfellows outside UQ and have been since the centuries past and been continuously propagating Islamist terror to deconstruct the turdworld. Time for UQ to face their comeuppance.

So, more power to the dumb EDL crazies who can't tell where their arse is at let alone differentiate between islamists and other immigrants a fact reciprocated perfectly well by EE emigrants and their Islamist biraderi - I am welcome for more of this if that is what it takes to achieve the UQ deconstruction into an Islamist gangland.

[habal]

East European in UK asylum system usually means Albanian, Bosnian or Kosovars refugees with East European sounding names.

[Shanmukh]

East European in UK asylum system usually means Albanian, Bosnian or Kosovars refugees with East European sounding names.

The people I referred to are the standard East Europeans - Poles, Romanians and people from old Soviet republics - not people from the Balkans. Russians in UK are more wary of Muslims, though. The Russians have a lot of reason to be wary of Islam. My Russian friends tell me how all Russians were chased out of places like Chechnya and other Islamic insurgency hit areas in the early-mid 90s. Basically, what happened to them is what happened to our Kashmiri Pandits.

[habal]

Poles have least exposure to muslims, so maybe they are just naive. But Romanians can be inspired by deeds of their famous prince.

[Lalmohan]

the poles were instrumental in defeating the turks at the gates of vienna. polish cavalry with each man wearing the wings of angels thundered down upon the ottoman ranks and routed them

[Haresh]

So, more power to the dumb EDL crazies who can't tell where their arse is at let alone differentiate between islamists and other immigrants a fact reciprocated perfectly well by EE emigrants and their Islamist biraderi - I am welcome for more of this if that is what it takes to achieve the UQ deconstruction into an Islamist gangland.

I am afraid you are very, very mistaken.
There is an EDL Sikh division and a Hindu Division.

There is a Sikh guy very closely involved with Tommy Robinson.

Unfortuanatley there will always be an element that views all brown skins as "moslem". However the EDL leadership has been very keen to make the MSM aware of the fact that other brown skinned non moslems also have an issue with the RoP.

Why are they " dumb EDL crazies?" because they don't have the posh OxBridge accents of the left wing defenders of the RoP?
The reason the left,BBC, al guardian describes them as "right wing" is because they despise the working class. The political left in the UK abandoned the working class years ago.

The crazies turn out to be the Unite Against Fascisim group, members of whom are arrested regularly for public Order offences in far greater numbers than EDL members.

[Rahul M]

the poles were instrumental in defeating the turks at the gates of vienna. polish cavalry with each man wearing the wings of angels thundered down upon the ottoman ranks and routed them

the winged hussars.

[Lilo]

So, more power to the dumb EDL crazies who can't tell where their arse is at let alone differentiate between islamists and other immigrants a fact reciprocated perfectly well by EE emigrants and their Islamist biraderi - I am welcome for more of this if that is what it takes to achieve the UQ deconstruction into an Islamist gangland.

I am afraid you are very, very mistaken.
There is an EDL Sikh division and a Hindu Division.

There is a Sikh guy very closely involved with Tommy Robinson.

Unfortuanatley there will always be an element that views all brown skins as "moslem". However the EDL leadership has been very keen to make the MSM aware of the fact that other brown skinned non moslems also have an issue with the RoP.

Why are they " dumb EDL crazies?" because they don't have the posh OxBridge accents of the left wing defenders of the RoP?
The reason the left,BBC, al guardian describes them as "right wing" is because they despise the working class. The political left in the UK abandoned the working class years ago.

The crazies turn out to be the Unite Against Fascisim group, members of whom are arrested regularly for public Order offences in far greater numbers than EDL members.

Haresh ji,
Of course i know about the edl support and membership given to Hindus and especially Sikhs.

I am talking about the EE emigrants and the edl's hate for them. Guess that makes sense because even in yindoo Sikh case edl relented only recently after lot of churning in their ranks - after debating of the pros and con of giving up the old edl opposition to off the boat brownies vs native whities. Refer you to edl discourse happening before 7/7 where all brownies were firmly in the immigrant camp.
Now that the immigration from yindoo and sikh brownies has been falling for many years and new threat is obviously islamist mujjims breeding like swine internally - edl came wooing after monied yindoo Sikh support.

They r dumb still because they should have currently worked for some compact with the christian EE immigrants like poles,Romanians etc and get their support to expel or deport the islamists in equal numbers.

Yet anyway all edl's etc are with their current strength pawns for the briturd deep state and elites who are firmly in the global Islamist bed - so such temperory alignments don't matter unless a revolution occurs in briturdia - actually desis should be careful as they may still be hoisted up or ejected or sacrificed while in edl camp... After they have served their purpose onlee
Revolution looks improbable - so I rather have edl disappear and hasten the fall of briturdia to Islamists.
Personal preference actually.

[Singha]

largest cavalry charge in modern history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna

king theoden of the rohan himself...

At about 17h, the Polish King ordered the cavalry attack in four groups, one of the Holy Roman Empire and three Polish. Twenty thousand horsemen charged down the hills (the largest cavalry charge in history).[citation needed] Jan III Sobieski led the charge at the head of 3,000 Polish heavy lancers, the famed "Winged Hussars".

[Lilo]

Anders Breivik was a big fan of gates of Vienna theme and the imagery of winged hussars fighting off the Islamist horde. I suddenly wondered where lalmullah has got this imagery. Breivik's jootube video also has the whole theme of Christendom being defended by Sobieski etal going on.

[panduranghari]

So, more power to the dumb EDL crazies who can't tell where their arse is at let alone differentiate between islamists and other immigrants a fact reciprocated perfectly well by EE emigrants and their Islamist biraderi - I am welcome for more of this if that is what it takes to achieve the UQ deconstruction into an Islamist gangland.

I am afraid you are very, very mistaken.
There is an EDL Sikh division and a Hindu Division.

There is a Sikh guy very closely involved with Tommy Robinson.

Unfortuanatley there will always be an element that views all brown skins as "moslem". However the EDL leadership has been very keen to make the MSM aware of the fact that other brown skinned non moslems also have an issue with the RoP.

Why are they " dumb EDL crazies?" because they don't have the posh OxBridge accents of the left wing defenders of the RoP?
The reason the left,BBC, al guardian describes them as "right wing" is because they despise the working class. The political left in the UK abandoned the working class years ago.

The crazies turn out to be the Unite Against Fascisim group, members of whom are arrested regularly for public Order offences in far greater numbers than EDL members.

The left leaning BBC and guardian are just leaning. They are hard core right wing. The guardian claims to write for the left, but all newspaper editors are right leaning.

Another thing is EDL BNP et al find brown Hindus and Sikhs convenient. They will drop them if the time is right. Briturds are the most opportunist lot. The less they are trusted the better.

[panduranghari]

Haresh ji,
Of course i know about the edl support and membership given to Hindus and especially Sikhs.

I am talking about the EE emigrants and the edl's hate for them. Guess that makes sense because even in yindoo Sikh case edl relented only recently after lot of churning in their ranks - after debating of the pros and con of giving up the old edl opposition to off the boat brownies vs native whities. Refer you to edl discourse happening before 7/7 where all brownies were firmly in the immigrant camp.
Now that the immigration from yindoo and sikh brownies has been falling for many years and new threat is obviously islamist mujjims breeding like swine internally - edl came wooing after monied yindoo Sikh support.

They r dumb still because they should have currently worked for some compact with the christian EE immigrants like poles,Romanians etc and get their support to expel or deport the islamists in equal numbers.

Yet anyway all edl's etc are with their current strength pawns for the briturd deep state and elites who are firmly in the global Islamist bed - so such temperory alignments don't matter unless a revolution occurs in briturdia - actually desis should be careful as they may still be hoisted up or ejected or sacrificed while in edl camp... After they have served their purpose onlee
Which looks improbable - so I rather have edl disappear and hasten the fall of briturdia to Islamists.
Personal preference actually.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... again.html

“We have been talking for a long time about the persecution of Christian communities around the world,” says Neville Kyrke-Smith, director of the charity Aid to the Church in Need, “but no one has wanted to listen. Some thought we were exaggerating. Others said we were mad. The problem seemed to be that it was seen as politically incorrect to take too much notice of Christians suffering in case it was interpreted as casting a slur on the whole of Islam.”
Such tender consciences are a Western luxury and obscure the facts. In 2010, for example, before the current crisis was sparked by the Arab Spring, the Committee of Bishops’ Conferences of the European Community, an EU‑wide body, produced a report that spoke of 100 million Christians around the globe facing persecution because of their beliefs. It estimated that three quarters of all religious persecution worldwide was faced by Christians.
The word “bishops” in the name of the body issuing the warning may have caused some to suspect special pleading. But the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has lent her support. In November of last year, she told a gathering of the Lutheran Church that Christianity was “the most persecuted religion in the world”.
When challenged on their failure to speak up sufficiently loudly for religious liberty, Western statesmen tend to fall back on the excuse that the problem is more to do with geopolitics than human rights. And politics has certainly played a part. In Egypt, for example, the Coptic Christian minority, resident since Biblical times, and making up 10 per cent of the population, enjoyed a generally benign relationship with the military dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak (though Pope Shenouda III, leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church for 40 years until his death in 2012, spent a decade under house arrest during the rule of Mubarak’s predecessor, Anwar Sadat).
While there had been a long history of low-level violence against Copts in some areas by extremist Muslim groups, determined to drive them out and so “purify” their country, the Arab Spring saw Egypt’s Christians put on the front line. They were accused by protesters of sheltering in the shadow of the deposed oppressor, and even of prospering economically thanks to his support. (In many Middle Eastern countries, the Christian minority is disproportionately middle-class, which may be another rod for their detractors to beat them with.)

When evil yindoos were dying in Cash mere the briturds had no problems.

[Haresh]

"When evil yindoos were dying in Cash mere the briturds had no problems."

101% CORRECT.

I often mention this, the average Britain has no knowledge of this. they are surprised by the fact that succesive UK governments have supported Pak and RoP'ers.
However after discussion they accept that we are however reluctantly on the same side!
Which is the good news.

[Lalmohan]

Anders Breivik was a big fan of gates of Vienna theme and the imagery of winged hussars fighting off the Islamist horde. I suddenly wondered where lalmullah has got this imagery. Breivik's jootube video also has the whole theme of Christendom being defended by Sobieski etal going on.

not from breivik i can assure you, although i was aware that he espoused such ramblings
i do read a bit about military history you know...

[Lilo]

I know LM ji,
That was made half in jest - as you suddenly referred winged hussars as "wearing wings of angels" onlee

[Lalmohan]

i think that was the shocknawe effect that sobieski was trying to achieve on the ottomans - that real angels were attacking them

[Haresh]

The left leaning BBC and guardian are just leaning. They are hard core right wing. The guardian claims to write for the left, but all newspaper editors are right leaning.

Another thing is EDL BNP et al find brown Hindus and Sikhs convenient. They will drop them if the time is right. Briturds are the most opportunist lot. The less they are trusted the better.

Sorry, neither the BBC or al guardian are "Hardcore right wing". The sort of people who work there have socialist worker type beliefs, most are former activists of various left wing groups. These two are regularly criticised for their left wing stance and extreme political correctness.
As for the editors being right wing, why would a right wing editor employ left leaning staff??? it makes no sense
When you wrote "but all newspaper editors are right leaning" , how do you know that
Do you have a source

"Another thing is EDL BNP et al find brown Hindus and Sikhs convenient. They will drop them if the time is right. Briturds are the most opportunist lot. The less they are trusted the better"

The BNP are nazi's they were founded by a group of British nazi's. and I would never have anything to do with them.
The EDL In all honesty I would give them the benifit of the doubt. If you join the EDL with the BNP then you are doing a deservice to anyone who resist the RoP. If the left in India condemns the BJP for "islamophobia" does that automatically place them next to the nazi's?

I am glad the EDL exist and if my family was threatened by the RoP'ers I would contact them with doubt. They are a necessary development.

[vishvak]

"When evil yindoos were dying in Cash mere the briturds had no problems."

101% CORRECT.

I often mention this, the average Britain has no knowledge of this. they are surprised by the fact that succesive UK governments have supported Pak and RoP'ers.
However after discussion they accept that we are however reluctantly on the same side!
Which is the good news.

Whether cashmere or Bengal, the average briturd will feign ignorance only even when there is evidence- even official evidence. The reluctant briturd perhaps won't know if it's any worth supporting anyone outside his own s-kin even when it is very obvious and common sense.

Now who is to be blamed for keeping average briturd or average modern first world people ignorant only. Not the queen with Kohinoor diamond or British govt post colonialism or modern education on this day and age.

[Lilo]

Haresh ji,
I agree on the media aspect they are not rightist or even leftist - methinks they are crypto islamist masquerading as leftist.
Regarding the rest even if in the interim you look for support towards EDL - in the longterm better have your own all indic cadre based orgs - without need for EDL muscle when things go to dogs (remember londonistan riots anyone).

Islamists fear strength and they have long had an idea fed to them that kaffir indics are weak dhoti shivering bania types.
So even if their angst is against the goras they will target the desi kaffir who aligned with them first.

In the mean time make money while the sun shines which could be next 10-20-30-40 years in briturdia and look to shift to Desh,Massa , Canada,Australia etc is my thought.

[vishvak]

the first two have typical BD names.

So British learnt nothing at all absolutely from entire '71 Bengal genocide and now it's in UK under some excuse but minorities are at receiving end.

[eklavya]

The Economist: Britain and India: The odd couple

The two countries have close financial ties, but trade between them is feeble
Sep 28th 2013 | MUMBAI |From the print edition

WHEN David Cameron became prime minister one of his priorities was to deepen economic ties with India which had been neglected for years. Visiting the technology hub of Bangalore in 2010 he pledged to take the relationship “to the next level”. On September 21st British and Indian ministers and business folk gathered in Mumbai to discuss bilateral links. Though the diplomats and politicians were upbeat, many bosses were circumspect. The Indo-British relationship is still “losing its share of our minds and our trade,” said a senior Indian business figure.

Such laments have been commonplace for a decade as India’s trade has shifted to the east. China is now India’s biggest trading partner. Indians sell it raw materials and buy everything from toys to turbines. Yet in some ways the tilt east is overstated. Investment and financial links between the two Asian giants are feeble. There are no direct flights between the business hubs of Shanghai and Mumbai. And even as their sea lanes teem with trade, tension crackles over their Himalayan border.

Far from being a failure, Britain’s economic relationship with India is a mirror image of the Chinese one. Planeloads of bankers and Bollywood stars jet between London and Mumbai on 84 flights a week. Britain’s banks lend more to India than any other country’s, accounting for 28% of the world’s exposure to India, according to the Bank for International Settlements.

Britain is India’s biggest counterparty for foreign direct investment (FDI)—something official figures do not show. The figures omit deals routed via tax havens and downplay the worth of long-standing investments. Adjusted for these factors, Britain is the favourite destination for FDI by Indian firms with about $30 billion invested, or about a quarter of India’s outbound FDI stock. Tata Group’s takeovers of Corus and Jaguar Land Rover explain a chunk of this. Both are crucial for British jobs and research and development. Cyrus Mistry, Tata’s boss, is the most important industrialist in both countries.

In the other direction, British firms have at stake perhaps $85 billion in India, more than any other country and about 30% of all FDI into India. Some are golden-oldie investors such as Unilever; two big banks, HSBC and Standard Chartered; and British American Tobacco, which owns a third of ITC, a smokes-to-biscuits conglomerate based in Kolkata. Newcomers include Vodafone, BP and Diageo, which have used big acquisitions to boost their exposure to India, with mixed results.

The disappointment is trade in goods. Germany has created lots of jobs at home by exporting to fast-growing emerging markets. Britain has done less well. At the turn of the 21st century it was in the top five countries with which India traded. Now it is India’s eighth-biggest export market and 23rd-biggest source of imports. India ranks 18th on the list of Britain’s export destinations and 17th as a supplier of imports. China trades more goods in a week with India than Britain does in a month.

This lopsided relationship reflects both countries’ strengths and flaws. Both have sophisticated equity markets and big listed firms with cosmopolitan managers. This explains the pattern of FDI, with big takeovers common. Trade is low because both countries are mediocre at manufacturing. Britain no longer makes things emerging economies want, and India is not yet a base for the kind of cheap, labour-intensive production, whether of trainers or iPads, that ends up on British high streets.

On Her Majesty’s Economic Service

Economic reality is hard to change but India is in the front-line of Britain’s push to make its diplomacy more commercial. Diplomats now talk about getting British ministers in the room when big British and Indian firms discuss deals. More co-ordination might help elsewhere, for example in infrastructure. British firms typically work alone and sell services such as feasibility studies and advice on regulation. Japanese and Korean companies get their hands dirty and are increasingly acting in concert to offer giant integrated packages to finance and build big projects, often with bilateral government agreements. “Britain is missing the bus,” says an industry chief.

Getting more small British firms on the ground in India is another priority. They generate jobs and trade. The city of Pune, a carmaking hub, hosts 300-400 German companies. The southern state of Tamil Nadu has a cluster of over 70 South Korean firms. No such British hub exists. Britain lacks giants such as Volkswagen and Hyundai, which bring their supply chains with them. And small British firms are either uninterested in or scared of India.

Over time India may open up more industries that Britain is good at. Much attention has been focused on supermarkets, with Tesco and others knocking on India’s door. But imagine what giant London-listed mining firms such as Rio Tinto and Anglo American could do to boost the flagging output of India’s mines, helping its balance of payments in the process.

Although trade in services between the two nations has grown fast, it is just $7 billion a year, a fraction of overall trade. Britain sells more services to Luxembourg than to India. By easing visa rules Britain could persuade more Indian firms to set up global bases in London and use the city’s finance and business skills. And by opening its protected legal, education and media industries to greater competition, India would get an influx of British know-how.

Today everyone wants to be best pals with India. France says its relationship is “special”; Russia believes its position is “special and privileged”; America says its ties are “indispensable”; Japan reckons its bond with India is “intimate”; and Germany counts itself as a “very close friend”. Even China hails “two ancient civilisations, connected by mountains, rivers and cultures”. Mr Cameron’s claim that Britain can be India’s “partner of choice” is overblown. But he is right that the economic relationship is closer than many realise and that, though lopsided, it can be built on.

[Rony]

Why British legislation on Caste discrimination was passed even though serious case for it has not been established

When discussing caste and, more seriously, when legislating on it, a series of confusions occurs about what we are talking of and what we are aiming to do. The emotions stirred by the issue of caste, and a measure of self-righteousness, have a role to play in shaping the level of the discussion but, more critically, there is confusion as between Indian senses of caste and Western understandings of it. This does not make for a clear approach, particularly important where law-making is concerned. There is the unintelligibility when looking across from the Indian and Western cultural frames at the other. Western culture is based on religion, which constitutes it, while Indian culture is a traditional culture.[3] Although the two frames of Western and Indian cultures can be used when considering the question of caste and discrimination, the dominant frame is the Western because it determines the shape of the contemporary discussion. Even arguments against caste discrimination legislation have to take place within the Western normative framework. When discussing caste, many Indians too speak as if they operate from within the Western framework, even though their underlying concerns may arise from more ‘hybrid’ and complicated stances, involving commitments to two different cultural frames.

In the case of discrimination on religious grounds, legislation in Britain was largely introduced as a result of a persistent campaign by Muslims.[6] There was the European legislation – Council Directive 2000/78/EC – which obliged Member States to adopt laws against religious discrimination restricted to employment. That Directive was implemented, but Britain went further making legal action possible for religious discrimination also in service provision, professions, housing, and education via the Equality Act 2006. This regime continues in the current Equality Act 2010. The push to include caste in the 2010 Act came from lobby groups linked to Churches that have a campaigning agenda, which appears to relate more to the Indian situation than to Britain. Briefly put, the agenda appears to be that efforts made towards gaining recognition for Christians in jobs and education reservations in India could bear greater fruit if it could be shown that Dalits, a political term employed for ‘low caste’ people,[7] enjoyed the support of the British legislature.[8] The efforts of Churches to proselytise in India appear directed more intensely among Dalits, with a reportedly large proportion of Christians said to be Dalits. So the campaign for legislation in Britain comes not from any significant section of the Indian communities, but from select lobby organisations, who have put up a spurious case that caste discrimination exists in Britain.

The point is that not only has no debate taken place about the propriety of introducing caste as a ground for discrimination, still less has it been considered what the proper scope of any such legislation should be.

The background framework to the Western understanding of caste means that evidence is not required for legislating against it because its immorality is clear. European travellers and missionaries in the past told stories of how the Brahmins in India prevented their followers from converting to Christianity.[19] As such they were the evil priests who kept their people languishing in idolatry. The European missionaries’ problem with Indian society was not with socio-economic equality, but with the religion the people followed. Once connections were made between Indian and European languages, it was thought incumbent upon the European Aryans with their superior religion, Christianity, to bring new civilising light to the parlous moral state of the Indians. Orientalist writings depict the Brahmins and those who followed them because of the religion they espoused, the language they spoke, and institutions and laws they established, as one people, race or nation, the Aryans.[20] Others, upon whom the ‘Brahmanical’ religion and laws were imposed, being a different people, were excluded from the laws and institutions of the Hindu Aryans. This was backed up by the Aryan intrusion theory and the idea that India’s population is composed of dominant and subordinate races. It lies behind secular theorising of the caste system and the corruption of Indian culture and society although it was established by Christian hatred of Indian idolatry and the frustration of being unable to convert Indians in large numbers.

Prior to the Second World War, the notion of an Aryan race was advocated widely in European intellectual circles and, although it suddenly disappeared from mainstream Western thought after the genocide during the Second World War, it is routinely invoked when India’s population and caste system are discussed. I cannot discuss in detail the significant role Asian peers in the House of Lords played, but it is worth noticing how the framework of Indian corruption has been internalised by some.

The link between an Aryan intrusion, the caste system, and different Indian races seems quite solidly in place even among those who are supposed to, in some special way, ‘represent’ and ‘speak for’ the British-Indians. A combination of Orientalism and ‘colonial consciousness’[23] stands in the way of our discovering how Indians actually make sense of caste, and yet also lies at the base of the confidence with which it is legislated away

[Philip]

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Obama, eat your heart out: Tony travels in style on Blair Force One
The former Prime Minister has been seen stepping off the £7,000-per hour jet

For plane spotters, it is the distinctive black and gold livery of the Global Express BD-700 that turns heads. For Tony Blair, the attraction is more likely to be the 2,100 cubic feet of cabin space, including a luxury stateroom. Or maybe it is simply the thrill of travelling on £30m of private jet.

When it comes to flying across the globe seeking to help resolve some of its problems while also amassing an estimated £40m and seven homes, it seems the former prime minister has developed a taste for the very best in high-end aviation.

Mr Blair has been spotted descending from the steps of a Canadian-built private plane which costs up to £7,000 an hour to hire and, because of its eye-catching paintwork, has become a sought-after sighting by plane fanciers who track it around the world.

The one-time Labour leader was spotted last month arriving at a regional airport in upstate New York as well as jetting into Bangkok and Sardinia on board the plane, whose playboy-style livery has been likened to the colour scheme sported by Formula 1 cars once sponsored by the John Player cigarette brand.

While in government, Mr Blair, 60, considered financing a jet for prime ministerial use. The proposal - instantly dubbed Blair Force One - was abandoned on grounds of cost.

Out of office, it seems such problems have been surmounted. With a list price of around £30m, the Global Express BD-700, manufactured by Canadian aviation company Bombardier is the pinnacle of long-range private jet travel with an ability to fly non-stop for 13 hours while cossetting up to 12 passengers with leather reclining seats and two kitchens. The plane can be configured to include a stateroom complete with a double bed and a private bathroom.

As Bombardier puts it: “This jet was purpose-built to fulfil the desires of the most sophisticated and demanding business travellers without compromise.”

Among the journeys believed to have been undertaken by Mr Blair in the chartered jet, which is owned by an unnamed individual and hired out by Hampshire-based leasing company Aravco, was a trip in August to Adirondack Regional Airport, a New York state backwater close to the Canadian border.

The local newspaper reported how airport staff watched as Mr Blair’s security detail, who accompany him across the world, entered the airport cafe and souvenir store. One worker told the Adirondack Daily Enterprise: “We saw it was him with our own eyes.”

The former prime minister is also thought to have used the aircraft, which has a range of 7,000 miles, to fly from London to Bangkok earlier this month to give a speech at a conference on reconciliation.

If the plane had been hired at its maximum advertised hourly rate, a journey from London to Bangkok would cost about £85,000.

A spokesman for his office said on Sunday: “Taxpayers do not foot any part of the bill.”