Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 19:08

muraliravi wrote: I am telling u guys, this congress + BSP alliance can just wreck NDA. I thought they would just do it UP. But if they do it nationwide, damn it, places like punjab, areas of MP, Maharashtra where BSP has 3-4% vote, will kill BJP. Congress may really do this deal.

I am willing to bet Rs 1000 note.

If INC can make pre-poll alliances with BSP, RJD, SP or whoever they want it will be advantage BJP.

INC's strength is in fighting behind shadows and creating smoke screens and wolves in sheep's skin type tactics. The moment it creates a face-to-face contest between 2G system Vs NM, it will lose. Very badly!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 19:10

SwamyG wrote: I am surprised he did not speak anything on DMK, is he keeping his options option? But why do you bring DMK into picture? After how DMK sided with INC in scams, how can BJP possibly face the public by aligning with DMK?

What if DMK splits? I asked a related question to Theoji long time ago.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2013 19:11

yamar, being an NRI you have to bet in $$ no?

only if the black dog and his tenants splits, dmk will split. next to impossible. first, the aged black dog has to die. gosh!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 19:12

SaiK wrote:yamar, being an NRI you have to bet in $$ no?

Who said that Rs1000 "note" is pure indian mall. It too an NRI, most likely printed in Britain or worst Pakistan

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Sep 2013 19:13

muraliravi wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bajwa ... p/1175043/

This is the worst news of the day. I guess punjab is also going to be tough now. In 2012 assembly election, weighted average vote share of SAD-BJP is 41.9%. Congress + BSP is 44.41. BSP brings that critical 4.3% extra vote.

On the same analysis, if we pick up the 2012 results of punjab assembly and translate them to parliament, as expected BJP and SAD would have swept the polls with 11 of the 14 parliamentary seats. BUT BUT, add BSP to congress votes and bloddy hell, BJP+SAD will get just 4 of the 14.

I am telling u guys, this congress + BSP alliance can just wreck NDA. I thought they would just do it UP. But if they do it nationwide, damn it, places like punjab, areas of MP, Maharashtra where BSP has 3-4% vote, will kill BJP. Congress may really do this deal.

There has been an undercurrent of NaMo mania and the obc stuff has been percolating steadily.
There is also a small but minor influential folks amongst obcs/dalits who are more aware of the mayaben and cronies.
there is a gruding admiration for NaMo.(Not to BJP)
This might just undercut BSP votes.
have to wait and watch how vote banks of BSP respond at booth.

No wonder Amit Shah was deputed to UP(along with surrounding states) to swing the voters booth to booth wise.
Amit Shah was the behind the scenes- hard working guy behind NaMo Gujarat victories.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2013 19:15

i have no issues with him speaking in hindi at a political rally in TN. you are bringing in your own personal experience biases when you are assuming that the majority of people who attend political rallies in TN can understand english. i would question that.

i don't think TN people would look any more favorably on NM because he speaks in english and not in hindi. the thuglak annual function is a different audience of mostly english educated folks out of chennai.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2013 19:17

^correct.

btw, can rajnikanth speak english?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Sep 2013 19:20

SaiK wrote:^correct.

btw, can rajnikanth speak english?

He can taalk inglish speek inglish dreenk inglish.

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The question is can english undertsand Rajnikanth.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 27 Sep 2013 19:25

The optics are important. English =/= hindi in TN. For some folks it may not matter but in towns and villages of TN it definitely matters. I hear this again and again. The fact that BJP does not get the importance for this will continue their irrelevance in TN. Shrug.

For that matter congress too imploded on this issue…

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 19:26

I am conphused onlee.

were there two speeches in Tirchy, one at Amma's ashram and one outside? Any link to second speech?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Sep 2013 19:27

IMO Jayalalitha Amma has been doing a reasonable job lately and it would be best if BJP has a pre-poll alliance with her. Now Amma has already said that she wants to contest all 39 seats, but after the Trichy rally it should be seen whether Amma is OK with a deal that gives maybe 5 out of 39 seats to the BJP, and the rest to Amma.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 27 Sep 2013 19:28

So far whatever NaMo where he speaks to common Indian in various states- the crowds have swelled to unimaginable numbers - usually in lakhs- stunning has been in AP and TN and a pretty stroing crowd of few 1000s in KL which are traditional non BJP areas.

Even in Bhopal getting a strenght of a few lakhs is no mean achievement (with BJP in its second term).

All in all there is a pretty strong Tsunamo.

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Have heard many xongis supporters now saying that even termite queen had a huge crowd turnout at every meeting a few years back-- are saying now that it was due to novelty fact of a white person becoming sdre like and speaking to them- though not getting enough votes as determined to the crowd strenght.
This is what xongis are saying in private but many are apprehensive at the same time of getting kicked in the nuts if tsunamo turns into a voting success.

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It is over to the BJP karyakarthas to ensure a huge voter turnout and ensure no single vote is wasted.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Sep 2013 19:31

there are two ammas in SI. one that commands love on the KL side (ashram), while TN side amma loves to command (besharam).

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Sep 2013 19:41

Watch:Ajay Maken U-turn on ordinance after Rahul's remark - IBN

The link contains a 9-minute video. It seems even Makan (including all Congis) have no self-respect. The most appalling thing is Rahul's arrogance and escapist attitude. Worth watching whole news clip.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 19:42

@Joydas Manmohan Singh was Speechless when he heard about Rahul Gandhi calling the Ordinance a Nonsense. Problem is nobody around him realised it
7:12pm - 27 Sep 13

Okie The twitter eNrega handles have now begun to heckle and diss MMS.This wasafter all the fight they put up yesterday in attacking #MauniDivas and in response #proudofpm trends.

https://mobile.twitter.com/UtsavMitra/l ... itternrega

looks like MMS had been royally flushed down the xongi hole.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Sep 2013 19:52

SaiK wrote:there are two ammas in SI. one that commands love on the KL side (ashram), while TN side amma loves to command (besharam).

One is Annapurna-amma and another Durga-amma. Two aspects of the one consciousness and both are required.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 27 Sep 2013 19:57

Pappu is putting up a real show

Pathetic absolutely pathetic the kind of government we have at the helm

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 27 Sep 2013 20:03

krisna wrote:
SaiK wrote:^correct.

btw, can rajnikanth speak english?
He can taalk inglish speek inglish dreenk inglish.

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The question is can english undertsand Rajnikanth.

he can eat raw rice and kakka yinglish idlis (dumplings):rotfl:

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Sep 2013 20:03

Looks like the ITLIANMAFIA is trying to cut the throat of MMS and ask him to pave the way for new PM (may be Meira Kumari perhaps)

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 2h
This was a planned hatchet job to force MMS resignation & go to polls with new interim PM without scam baggage.1/2

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant
This is how the mafia executes leadership change--swiftly & ruthlessly, No q's asked, none answered 2/2

If MMS has tapes of Sonia calling AG, this is the best time to leak them out.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 27 Sep 2013 20:05

Besides taking this whole thing as something spontaneous, I am open to the idea that:

[*]Con race is desperate to grab media focus by hook or by crook. The more media is covering anything else, the more it is NOT covering the BJP wave. Consider this like the auto recalls that don't cost much but eventually result in increase in consumer satisfaction / loyalty.

[*]Provides "leadership" example and opportunity for gadha ji. Small grace that this was not in Hindi but expect the media to magnify that for him.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Sep 2013 20:11

Theo_Fidel wrote:The optics are important. English =/= hindi in TN. For some folks it may not matter but in towns and villages of TN it definitely matters. I hear this again and again. The fact that BJP does not get the importance for this will continue their irrelevance in TN. Shrug.

For that matter congress too imploded on this issue…

who died and made you spokesman for tn towns and villages?

BJP's irrelevance in TN is not going to increase if modi speaks in english.

people are interested in the man and the politics and policies he brings with him. given that he does not make appeasement as his primary vote getting ploy, people are ok with him not appeasing them with silly language politics.

what was the reception to his speech on the grounds? - this we can get at some level.

what was the reception to his speech, for those in TN watching on tv? this is anybody's guess and your guess is not better than mine just because you claim to be more rooted to the ground in towns and villages of TN. you are not.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Sep 2013 20:14

RamaY wrote:
muraliravi wrote: I am telling u guys, this congress + BSP alliance can just wreck NDA. I thought they would just do it UP. But if they do it nationwide, damn it, places like punjab, areas of MP, Maharashtra where BSP has 3-4% vote, will kill BJP. Congress may really do this deal.
I am willing to bet Rs 1000 note.

If INC can make pre-poll alliances with BSP, RJD, SP or whoever they want it will be advantage BJP.

INC's strength is in fighting behind shadows and creating smoke screens and wolves in sheep's skin type tactics. The moment it creates a face-to-face contest between 2G system Vs NM, it will lose. Very badly!

Unfortunately saar, a good chunk of indian population is as sold out as INC and loves the freebie concept of economy and entitlement based politics that all the above parties represent.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Sep 2013 20:17

meantime mountbatten singh says all is fine and yuvraj has also written to him on the issue and entire Cabinet will discuss why the prince is unhappy when he returns from trip.

yuvraj people and h&d people who hoped he would resign are left hanging yet again

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Sep 2013 20:17

everyone thought DMK will win big as they had done a some good things, but politics doesn't work that way, not at least with all, yes there are hard core congi supporters

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Sep 2013 20:20

There was Tamil and Hindi. He also talked how coal scam blocked supply of power and stopped powerplants in Tamil and Hindi. People have to import now individual power sources in Taamizhnaad even when there is coal and there is power plant capacity.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2013 20:34

What if INC expel RG for 3 months, recall the ordinance after a cabinet meeting. They say look we are not that dynastic, we are democratic. And spokesmen will say look RG spoke from the heart, we too are a democratic and not dynastic party. After 3 months will be back in INC or maybe even later after elections. All blame on MMS..possibly all planned.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 27 Sep 2013 20:34

Gus wrote:
Theo_Fidel wrote:The optics are important. English =/= hindi in TN. For some folks it may not matter but in towns and villages of TN it definitely matters. I hear this again and again. The fact that BJP does not get the importance for this will continue their irrelevance in TN. Shrug.
For that matter congress too imploded on this issue…
who died and made you spokesman for tn towns and villages?
BJP's irrelevance in TN is not going to increase if modi speaks in english.
people are interested in the man and the politics and policies he brings with him. given that he does not make appeasement as his primary vote getting ploy, people are ok with him not appeasing them with silly language politics.
what was the reception to his speech on the grounds? - this we can get at some level.
what was the reception to his speech, for those in TN watching on tv? this is anybody's guess and your guess is not better than mine just because you claim to be more rooted to the ground in towns and villages of TN. you are not.

If I remember correctly, back in time there were translators working side by side on a seperate microphone for the public in many rural TN areas political rallies.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 20:37

Singha wrote:meantime mountbatten singh says all is fine and yuvraj has also written to him on the issue and entire Cabinet will discuss why the prince is unhappy when he returns from trip.

yuvraj people and h&d people who hoped he would resign are left hanging yet again

So joo mean no one in not even in the xongi camp predicted that MMS will bend lower than he has already ... ?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 27 Sep 2013 20:43

Modi's performance in developing Guj., his clean background, his growth-for-all approach and his administrative skills ARE the primary reasons people flock to him. And TN is no exception. Language does not matter and it is not that people in TN cannot distinguish between central and state elections.
If there was indifference you should have seen it already. LIke when Advani visited TN
The crowd in Trichy was massive. Apparently there were two grounds with a bridge separating them. And both the grounds were full.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Sep 2013 20:47

he is a judo exponent of highest order...reflecting the opponents strike...being formless and shapeless....a true art of war exponent.
pranaam to a Jedi like him.

reminds me of a tom and jerry cartoon where all of tom's elaborate traps fail to snag jerry.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Sep 2013 20:48

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Sep 2013 20:52

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Sep 2013 20:53

Re: The Tamil munnani murders and silence of NaMo
This lapse needs to be rectified In next address. Even if its the one going to be made in dilli.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 27 Sep 2013 20:54

harbans wrote:What if INC expel RG for 3 months, recall the ordinance after a cabinet meeting. They say look we are not that dynastic, we are democratic. And spokesmen will say look RG spoke from the heart, we too are a democratic and not dynastic party. After 3 months will be back in INC or maybe even later after elections. All blame on MMS..possibly all planned.

This may not be too unlikely.

What is the uppermost priority in the minds of the INC? As of now, I don't think it is winning the 2014 elections. They know how much public anger their scams and economic mismanagement have evoked, and in addition to that there is the Modi effect. So for 2014, their main priority is to prevent the formation of a reasonably stable NDA govt led by Narendra Modi... at all costs, even if they do not form a government themselves.

But an even bigger priority in the long term is to make sure their little treasure, their hallmark of electability, Raul Maino, doesn't get tainted by defeat in any way. If defeat comes to the INC in 2014 it must NEVER be seen as Raul Maino's (or any other Maino's) doing. The Mainos must emerge totally untarnished and blameless no matter what the fate of the INC.

Thus, it must NEVER come to a Raul vs. Modi contest in which Raul loses. Since VP Singh's defeat of Rajiv, it has been an article of faith with the INC that no Die Nasty member must ever be defeated, or be seen as responsible for an INC electoral defeat on his/her watch. Every effort has been made to dissociate Raul from the UP defeat, for example. A repeat of UP on the national stage simply cannot be countenanced.

So it may very well be that Raul will be made a sort of crucifixion-figure who abstains from leading INC into a disastrous 2014 poll defeat on some spurious moral grounds. After the defeat he can be begged for forgiveness/redemption by the INC cadres, and return like a hero dredging the sands of public sympathy. Paid media will work overtime spinning his return into a "Modi Effect" type of story. The unstable govt. which takes effect in 2014 will be gone by 2016, and Brave New Raul Maino will sweep the INC to victory once again. (By that time, NaMo will be stale news as just another cantankerous BJP leader of opposition.)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Sep 2013 21:01

would be interesting if the MMS faction launches a quick counterstrike by releasing some damaging files/tapes on people close to the janpath durbar.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Sep 2013 21:03

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 27 Sep 2013 21:05

i think we should have a BENIS like dhaga for e-narega as they are more BENIS than lal topi...permission from adminullah to open such a dhaga where we can make fun of them...i am sure making fum of em will enhance the piss-ops effect...

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2013 21:12

Expecting the 80 plus geriatrics of INC to say Rahul is our Varisht neta, our father figure whom we always will respect..

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Sep 2013 21:24

From Faking news

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Sep 2013 21:26

Appalled by MSM. They should be asking RG to resign instead of yelling MMS to. What are the party rules within INC for expulsion? I am sure RG has flouted them!