Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 16 Oct 2013 21:49

beautiful speeches by Shri. LKA and later NaMo

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 16 Oct 2013 22:10

Is any media outlet of Kumara Mangalam supporting NM now? It seems the FIR is filed for that reason only. But the govt shall go further and arrest MMS. Person who allowed all the loot by mafia shall face the jail no the no one acts as front for them in future.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 16 Oct 2013 22:13

^^ What about the MAFIA itself? Vadra? Sonia? No?

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 16 Oct 2013 22:16

Rahul Mehta wrote:
ramana wrote:First strike was on Kumara Mangalam Birla who is the quiet financier of INC since british days. What do you think was happening!!!

Folks dont get it. MMS won't touch a paisa. All the loot from all the scams goes to Rajamata.
It 5% - 15% - 85% i.e. MMS keeps 5% of the loot and Rajamata keeps 15%, and US elitemen take away 85% of it.

The reason why Sonia and MMS have to let US-elitemen take away 85% of loot is because US-elitemen own Supreme judges and much of paid-media.

How do you rein in these judges and paid media? any ideas?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Oct 2013 22:28

saravana wrote:My gut feel is SRT , not the top post,perhaps for campaign

Who is SRT?

mayo · Post by **mayo** » 16 Oct 2013 22:29

RajeshA wrote:
saravana wrote:My gut feel is SRT , not the top post,perhaps for campaign
Who is SRT?

Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Oct 2013 22:38

mayo wrote:
saravana wrote:My gut feel is SRT , not the top post,perhaps for campaign
RajeshA wrote:Who is SRT?
Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar

As they say, only God can save UPA now!

disha · Post by **disha** » 16 Oct 2013 22:45

Gardens on Sabarmati Riverfront inaugurated. Some fotus from NaMo's own site:

http://www.narendramodi.in/glimpses-of- ... ndra-modi/

My observations and criticisms:

1. NaMo holds LKA in respect (see the first fotu where LKA is opening the garden and NaMo's standing)
2. Baton has been passed from LKA to NaMo (see the third fotu, NaMo is the "doer" and LKA is the "observer" - like beta chalo yeh bhi dikha do)

There is too much of "lawn" in the gardens, upkeep will be costly. Instead, native shrubs which are local to Guj/India should have been put in place.

Indian language Gujarati is given second prominence. It should be other way around - Gujarati first and English later. In AP I would expect Telugu first and English later. Better still - Gujarati, Hindi, (Telugu/Tamil/Malyalam/Kannada), English. Pref would be for Guj. to adapt Tamil as a second language (and vice versa) (and Raj as Telugu as second lang and vice versa).

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 16 Oct 2013 22:46

Singha wrote:Cleaned up a few posts....

waaah.......hero singhaji ...hero.

dabangg!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Oct 2013 23:01

RajeshA wrote:
Neela wrote:Looks like Cong desperately needs a face that would represent it in the coming elections and they cannot find one.
Meira Kumar or Nandan Nilekani may "oblige"!

No Meira but between Nilekani and the proud Babar ka Bacche author Salman. Tne there is always the family-ar way of departing to the high Sphere to earn sympathy votes for Kid.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 16 Oct 2013 23:07

^^^Preferably with a bang. But which kid will benefit? Rajiv didn't have that problem, since Sanjay obliged by also departing. If it's Rahul who benefits, the INC is as good as doomed under his "able" guidance. Priyanka is the wild-card.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 16 Oct 2013 23:47

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:BJP should get over this illusion that Muslims are going to vote for them outside Gujarat. These comments of Madanis, Bukharis, Syeds are nothing but Al Taqqiyya to bargain with CON system for more than first right on resources

If BJP is serious for any polarization, then it has to be done for SC, ST & OBC votes without wasting time & by properly projecting NaMo humble background in Hindi belt where caste based voting is game changer.

Sushil Modi has started well by visiting NaMo "tea stalls", in Bihar caste equation this also carries subtle message. I am waiting for something on this line in UP.

I don't think they have that illusion. But they have to do every thing to make them stop ganging up as a community and vote strategically to select rabid elements because of the scare mongering by CONGi mafia. This is is a 10-20 year project. They should realize they will be Empowered once India gains jobs, better infrastructure, transparency. Madani may a from sickularslso be playing games to get a bigger appeasement card from sickular gangs.

If Muslims start thinking on Governance and Development side instead of community, half work done. Same case with Dalits too. They should react to national goals rather than propaganda by NGOs,COMMIES and CONGi mafia.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 17 Oct 2013 00:08

More than Muslims it is the 'seculars' who are intended target.
The 'seculars' need to unravel the Congress game.
Most of us were 'seculars' at one time.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 17 Oct 2013 00:26

Sagar G wrote:
ramana wrote:First strike was on Kumara Mangalam Birla who is the quiet financier of INC since british days. What do you think was happening!!!

Folks dont get it. MMS won't touch a paisa. All the loot from all the scams goes to Rajamata.
Even if this is true still that doesn't make him a holy cow.

Or perhaps due to the dearth of a good PM candidate, Maino has told MMS to go after some big names. This may be the window dressing for the masses. I do however wonder if Birla was considered a fair game, how far can they take it. Let's face it the last 10 years of loot more than compensates for the sacrifice of Birla. Will they go after 'mota bhai'. Something has to give. Perhaps Maino is planning to throw the towel in. MMS knows a lot more than Maino likes and she can perhaps see he is showing some Sikh Courage. I can wish onlee.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Oct 2013 00:56

ramana wrote:First strike was on Kumara Mangalam Birla who is the quiet financier of INC since british days. What do you think was happening!!!

Folks dont get it. MMS won't touch a paisa. All the loot from all the scams goes to Rajamata.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 17 Oct 2013 01:07

RajeshA wrote:
saravana wrote:My gut feel is SRT , not the top post,perhaps for campaign
Who is SRT?

BLASPHEMY!!!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 17 Oct 2013 01:13

VikramS wrote:More than Muslims it is the 'seculars' who are intended target.
The 'seculars' need to unravel the Congress game.
Most of us were 'seculars' at one time.

Good point. Man! It took long for many us to realize this game

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 17 Oct 2013 01:24

This maybe to shore nuetrality of CongBI, so that when it goes after NM, people will not complain.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Oct 2013 01:44

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Oct 2013 02:00

^^ What is that supposed to mean?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Oct 2013 02:07

Karan M wrote:^^ What is that supposed to mean?

I thought that was obvious. Read this writeup from Rudradev Ji.

The six years from 1998 to 2004 provided a more conducive environment to fostering strong
National institutions than any period before or since in the history of independent India. 50 years
after independence, we had our first ever functioning government beholden to an ideology that was
entirely untarnished by Western influence (however compromised its implementation under NDA-1
might have been.) We had our first ever effective administration that did not devolve completely
around a hereditary cult of personality, which by definition makes all institutions subservient to an
autocratic regime. We had our feet firmly on the road to economic prosperity on our own terms;
and we had unprecedented confidence to assert our national interest repeatedly in the international
theatre, whether at Pokhran, Kargil, or the theatre of Operation Parakaram. Not perfect by any
means, not yet... but a damn sight closer to it than under any Congress regime before or after.

Given this, it is no coincidence whatsoever that Edvige Antonia Albina Maino (did you know
her middle name is "Albina", meaning "White"?) all of a sudden came out of silent
widowhood, exactly in 1998... allowing herself to be proclaimed Donna Guida Suprema of a
rejuvenated Indian National Congress.

The UPA regimes have gone far beyond the Nehru Congress brief of stifling the emergence of
Indian National Institutions. They have actively undertaken to undermine and destroy whatever
effective institutions India has developed, in the form of the bureaucracy, the intelligence agencies,
the armed forces, the judiciary, and the police. Indeed, the very model of the UPA itself... with two
parallel governments, one of which wields absolute authority without any shred of responsibility...
embodies an unprecedented measure to discredit the very basis of elected government guaranteed
by our constitution. INC is not the deep state in India; it is now the primary agency involved in
destroying whatever semblance of a deep state India managed to cobble together despite the best
efforts of previous Congress avatars.
In all its millennia of existence, India has known an enemy of such perseverance, conviction,
insiduousness and devastating effectiveness as the Sonia Maino Congress. By contrast, Jinnah was a
buffoon; Robert Clive or Mahmud Ghaznavi mere thuggish amateurs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Oct 2013 02:16

Rahul Mehatji,
5+15+85 >100%

However get the point that more is stashed abroad.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 17 Oct 2013 02:18

vishvak wrote:So it means Birla isn't bankrolling con race this time or are Birla actually funding some for NaMo?

My guess is 2nd option because same reason- Birla have been with con race always. So maino are going after everyone really. Indeed shocking how mainos can go after PM even. PMO not doing anything about it? PMO officers seem to be bitten by termites.

Birla is said to have invested in some pro BJP media that has upset the powers that be. It is a clear warning to the Indian industry.

edited to provide the link, the article is a bit dated but serves for illustration

TV Today soars, Birla eyes majority stake in Living Media

tv-today-soars-birla-eyes-majority-stake-in-living-media-

Oct 31, 2012

Kumar Mangalam Birla-led A V Birla group may increase its stake to 51 percent in Living Media, which in turn owns 57.46% stake in TV Today Network, a Business Standard report said today. Living Media acts as a holding company and owns 57.1 percent in TV Today Network, the listed company that owns the group’s broadcasting assets, besides publishing a host of magazines that include the flagship India Today.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Oct 2013 02:21

Sagar G wrote:
ramana wrote:First strike was on Kumara Mangalam Birla who is the quiet financier of INC since british days. What do you think was happening!!!

Folks dont get it. MMS won't touch a paisa. All the loot from all the scams goes to Rajamata.
Even if this is true still that doesn't make him a holy cow.

It makes him worse, unless he is really doing India a great favor by being in power and checking the powers of Sonia/Rahul or their coterie.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Oct 2013 02:27

Well I think that those who deserve no more than police havildar's danda and chapraasi interface should not be offered anything better.

And that too just to quickly dispose off the nuisance.

The problem is we give a bit more bhaav to pseudo secular and then a little more and suddenly find our innocent lazy ass out of our own like native Americans merely as innocent bystanders only while secular keep on making circles of lies and deceit out of shitty theories.

The latest warnings to desi industrialists may be connected to western interests in such a behavior.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Oct 2013 03:03

Shourie willin’, Yeddy ready, Babulal balks
- Modi effect on those who distanced themselves from BJP

New Delhi, Oct. 16: Narendra Modi has impacted the BJP’s prominent “deserters” in different ways. The most vocal, Arun Shourie, is gravitating towards Modi, B.S. Yeddyurappa is waiting for an invite from Gandhinagar to return, while Jharkhand’s Babulal Marandi has made it clear his fate is tied with that of the “secular” forces.

Shourie distanced himself from the BJP after the party’s 2009 rout. His most acerbic remarks then were directed at Rajnath Singh, who had helmed the party before Nitin Gadkari took over. The disinvestment, communication and information technology minister in the NDA government, who was an Atal Bihari Vajpayee favourite, stopped attending the national executive meetings.

However, Shourie’s self-enforced alienation did not deter him from pursuing an independent relationship with Modi even before he was named the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate. When Modi was sworn in Gujarat chief minister for a third term, Shourie showed up and was seated on the dais.

On October 18, Modi will be in Chennai to launch Shourie’s book Self-deception: India’s China policies. Modi will also speak on his vision of “India and the world” at an event hosted by the Nani Palkhivala Foundation where another well-known BJP sympathiser and Modi admirer, Cho Ramaswamy, will be present.

Last month, after addressing a BJP rally in Delhi, Modi went with Shourie to a classical dance performance organised by a culture foundation. The foundation is presided by a relative of Shourie.

While Shourie has refrained from speaking about the BJP or its candidate for Prime Minister, a party source said: “Modi respects Shourie’s scholarship, his understanding of history and of contemporary events and his pragmatic approach towards running the economy.”

As disinvestment minister, Shourie oversaw the sale of Maruti, VSNL, Balco, Centaur Hotel and Hindustan Zinc. The record was a mixed bag because the Opposition had raised questions over the alleged under-valuation of Balco and Centaur.

Modi, the source said, had to start thinking of his “dream cabinet” for 2014. Given the perceived “paucity of talent” in the BJP — Vajpayee’s other “stellar” performers like Jaswant Singh are out of favour — some believe Shourie could be an “asset”.

By contrast, Yeddyurappa is seen less as a value addition in governance and more of a vote multiplier in Karnataka.

Sources said the party was awaiting the return of Arun Jaitley from the US to restart talks with the former Karnataka chief minister who floated his party before the state elections and destructed the BJP’s prospects.

Yesterday morning, former Lok Sabha Speaker and NCP rebel Purno A. Sangma called on Yeddyurappa in Bangalore. Sources close to Yeddyurappa said Sangma impressed on him to maintain a separate identity and not merge his Karnataka Janata Paksha with the BJP.

“Sangma said he and Yeddyurappa had one thing in common and that was their unqualified backing for Modi. But it was important to keep his party afloat so that with Sangma’s group, they could function like a pressure group. Yeddyurappa heard him out and said he would think over the proposal,” a source said.

The BJP’s third “apostate”, Marandi, has signalled loud and clear that he has no intention of coming “home”. Marandi, a former Jharkhand chief minister, is set to be part of an anti-Modi convention slated to take place in Delhi on October 30 with the Left, the Samajwadi Party and the Janata Dal (United).

Although rooted in the RSS, Marandi, said a source close to him, “now swears by secularism and will not compromise on his belief”. BJP sources, on the other hand, claimed his real peeve was with party president Rajnath Singh whom he has blamed for marginalising him and promoting his successor, Arjun Munda. “As long as Rajnath is at the helm, Marandi won’t dream of returning,” a source said.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131017/j ... 462265.jsp

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Oct 2013 03:11

>>Yesterday morning, former Lok Sabha Speaker and NCP rebel Purno A. Sangma called on Yeddyurappa in Bangalore.

Worthless opportunist.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 17 Oct 2013 05:33

SwamyG wrote:
Sagar G wrote:
Even if this is true still that doesn't make him a holy cow.
It makes him worse, unless he is really doing India a great favor by being in power and checking the powers of Sonia/Rahul or their coterie.

1. Sonia wants MMS to quit and make Meira Kumari or Salman Krushid as PM. Then PAID MEDIA can go to tow saying what a game changer and path breaker. Dalit as PM or Muslim as PM. Make the whole conversation of corruption,economic to caste or religion.

2. Muslim vs Hindu or UC vs SC/ST is a better trick to even trip Mayawati since Dalits or MUslims will go for their own PM

One thing is sure. If MMS resigns, he will be in jail

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 17 Oct 2013 05:41

So Subramanian Swamy is right. Mms doing a service to nation by not resigning .

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Oct 2013 05:57

Sushupti wrote:
Karan M wrote:^^ What is that supposed to mean?
I thought that was obvious. Read this writeup from Rudradev Ji.The UPA regimes have gone far beyond the Nehru Congress brief of stifling the emergence of
Indian National Institutions. They have actively undertaken to undermine and destroy whatevereffective institutions India has developed, in the form of the bureaucracy, the intelligence agencies,the armed forces, the judiciary, and the police. Indeed, the very model of the UPA itself... with twoparallel governments, one of which wields absolute authority without any shred of responsibility...embodies an unprecedented measure to discredit the very basis of elected government guaranteedby our constitution. INC is not the deep state in India; it is now the primary agency involved indestroying whatever semblance of a deep state India managed to cobble together despite the bestefforts of previous Congress avatars.

Destruction of Instituitions by Congress ware suspected here on BRF 10 years ago. I recall ArunS used to say that WEST dont know who actually run and sustain India ( they knew politcians are/were fuddus) Congi knew and in last 10 years they have planted the RNIs in every strategic sphere along with the attack on institutions especially the National Security. Worst among all the nefarious aims is their intent to destroy, finish native ,soil sprung cultural and Dharmic traditions. Look At NAC, Congi and other "secular" spokespersons, complete DIE: conversions, attack on festivals etc all started the same time when these forces accumulated power under UPA rule.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 17 Oct 2013 06:13

Narayana Rao wrote:So Subramanian Swamy is right. Mms doing a service to nation by not resigning .

May be indirectly. But he is trying to stay away from jail too. He knows SOnia. There are only 2 outcomes for him if she continues in power. Die by accident or Go to Jail to save the DIEnasty

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 17 Oct 2013 06:22

Karan M wrote:>>Yesterday morning, former Lok Sabha Speaker and NCP rebel Purno A. Sangma called on Yeddyurappa in Bangalore.

Worthless opportunist.

Actually Karan, I remember seeing Sangma on 'Aap ki Adalat' in late 90s and he spoke against churches preaching many anti-national things in north east. He had said for example priests tell christians not to follow birth control, "although I'm a christian but i oppose such acts of church."

That's why inspite of being a christian a reaping benefits like ambika soni, antony, chidambram he opposed a foreigner ruling our country.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Oct 2013 06:29

vivek.rao wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:So Subramanian Swamy is right. Mms doing a service to nation by not resigning
May be indirectly. But he is trying to stay away from jail too. He knows SOnia. There are only 2 outcomes for him if she continues in power. Die by accident or Go to Jail to save the DIEnasty

Jiss Key Siir Uppar Yeh Maino
Uuusko Koi Bacch Na Paayee
Scindia,Karma,YSR orr Mahajan
Accidented Subb Ho Jaayye.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Oct 2013 07:28

Dhananjay wrote:
Karan M wrote:>>Yesterday morning, former Lok Sabha Speaker and NCP rebel Purno A. Sangma called on Yeddyurappa in Bangalore.

Worthless opportunist.
Actually Karan, I remember seeing Sangma on 'Aap ki Adalat' in late 90s and he spoke against churches preaching many anti-national things in north east. He had said for example priests tell christians not to follow birth control, "although I'm a christian but i oppose such acts of church."

That's why inspite of being a christian a reaping benefits like ambika soni, antony, chidambram he opposed a foreigner ruling our country.

+1. Actually I like Sangma and his daughter as well. Yes, they have flaws but compared to likes of MMS, Salman K, Meira even Pawar, the father/daughter pair do represent a nationalistic outlook in our NE - Meghalaya.

And no comparison with ppl like Soni or Renuka C etc.

Here is the another aspect of dynastic polity - not just the top is corrupt, but the whole chain leading to the top is nepoistic, corrupt or untalented/unskilled. There are very few in CongIs echelon that actually can deliver on anything. That is not the case with non-dynastic parties. There are already 5 CMs/former CMs who are able administrators independently by themselves. I do not see that in the CongI party!!

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 17 Oct 2013 08:35

vivek.rao wrote:One thing is sure. If MMS resigns, he will be in jail

can you muster 1/2 a billion to sign a petition for this?

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 17 Oct 2013 10:09

Rahul Mehta wrote:
ramana wrote:First strike was on Kumara Mangalam Birla who is the quiet financier of INC since british days. What do you think was happening!!!

Folks dont get it. MMS won't touch a paisa. All the loot from all the scams goes to Rajamata.
It 5% - 15% - 85% i.e. MMS keeps 5% of the loot and Rajamata keeps 15%, and US elitemen take away 85% of it.

The reason why Sonia and MMS have to let US-elitemen take away 85% of loot is because US-elitemen own Supreme judges and much of paid-media.

So, the loot money mysteriously increases to 105% while it's being funnelled illegally? 5% + 15% + 85% = 105%!

Quite literally tired of these US elitemen BS conspiracy theories. If they are so mighty powerful controlling all these minions who rule us, then quite frankly you & I will be as irrelevant as algae on the porch to them. So, why bother with 50+ de-railing posts in this thread?
Better spend your time becoming a US eliteman and then rule us. Thanks.

member_27873 · Post by **member_27873** » 17 Oct 2013 10:17

Joshi Saab
Please note
5% - 15% - 85% = -95%

That is 5% of every project is the out lay for commission of which 95% is deducted at source
...,, is my understanding

And no where does the original post
Say

5% + 15% + 85%.

Does it?

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 17 Oct 2013 10:26

Of the loot, if it's Rs. 100 let's say. MMS takes 5%, i.e. Rs. 5. Rajmata takes 15%, i.e. Rs. 15. US elitemen take 85% of the loot which is Rs. 85. I think the total is Rs. 105 thus.
Kindly read the RM's post I've quoted for this.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 17 Oct 2013 10:57

I think you get to keep 5% for reading RM's post and and another 5% for deciphering it

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 17 Oct 2013 11:04

disha wrote:
Dhananjay wrote:"Karan M">>Yesterday morning, former Lok Sabha Speaker and NCP rebel Purno A. Sangma called on Yeddyurappa in Bangalore.

Worthless opportunist.

Actually Karan, I remember seeing Sangma on 'Aap ki Adalat' in late 90s and he spoke against churches preaching many anti-national things in north east. He had said for example priests tell christians not to follow birth control, "although I'm a christian but i oppose such acts of church."

That's why inspite of being a christian a reaping benefits like ambika soni, antony, chidambram he opposed a foreigner ruling our country.
+1. Actually I like Sangma and his daughter as well. Yes, they have flaws but compared to likes of MMS, Salman K, Meira even Pawar, the father/daughter pair do represent a nationalistic outlook in our NE - Meghalaya.

Apart from the nationalistic outlook and credentials of the sangma family, the way I would read this news is very different, BJP/NaMo is letting Yeddi know that he is significantly "damaged goods" -- and it is not possible for him to be back into BJP. The only option is to ally loosely and work at seat sharing level. Yeddi should get his "expectations" right.

This message is being, softly, passed through Sangma.