Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Nov 2013 07:12

Chouhan seeks Modi help to win elections

Bhopal, Nov. 3: The Madhya Pradesh polls appear headed for a tight finish, prompting Shivraj Singh Chouhan to seek three more rallies in the state by Narendra Modi, whom he was once keen to keep off the campaign because of his anti-minority image.

Sources said the BJP chief minister had sought the help of party president Rajnath Singh and general secretary Ram Lal to persuade Modi to give more time to Madhya Pradesh. The Chouhan camp is confident that after Diwali (today), Modi would be able to spend three days in the state, which votes on November 25.

That suggests Modi would hold six public meetings in the state’s various regions. Earlier, the Gujarat chief minister was expected to hold three meetings in the state.

Shivraj, who has a good image among Muslims because of his welfare schemes, had even a couple of months ago been keen to avoid any mention of Modi in his campaign. But he has recently been trying to mend fences and got him to address a rally in Bhopal in September.

Highly placed state BJP sources said that when Chouhan began his Jan Ashirwad Yatra on July 22 — with Modi’s pictures notably absent from the posters and banners — he had seemed comfortably placed to win a third straight time. Now, three weeks before the elections, he is apparently finding the going tough.

“Anti-incumbency” is said to be working against many state BJP lawmakers. The unity in the Congress, the stampede in Datia that killed over 100 people, low-level corruption, backwardness in the Chambal-Gwalior region and the unpopularity of many senior ministers are said to have narrowed the gap between the BJP and the Congress.

BJP sources said they expected the party to win 124 seats in the 230-member Assembly, with the Congress bagging around 100. The BJP now has 148 MLAs against the Congress’s 69.

Even a few months ago, Chouhan had been perceived as a challenger to Modi in the race for prime ministerial candidate and, with L.K. Advani’s backing, engaged in a game of one-upmanship with his rival.

But, state BJP leaders said, his 50-day Yatra has allowed Chouhan to gauge the voters’ mood and realise that his clean image is in danger of being offset by resentment against party MLAs and ministers.

Chouhan apparently believes that while his welfare schemes have reached the poor, many voters are dissatisfied with the health services, state of roads, and corruption in the lower bureaucracy.

So, he apparently wants to stoke resentment against the UPA government on the issues of price rise, national security, corruption at high places, and “cultural nationalism” and believes Modi is the best man for the job.

The Chouhan camp was counting on Congress disunity but over last month, apparently under Rahul Gandhi’s prodding, Jyotiraditya Scindia, Digvijaya Singh and Kamal Nath have presented a picture of unity.

Rahul has made every senior Congress leader from the state accountable for certain seats in their area of influence. Sources say these leaders’ future growth depend on the party’s performance next month in their perceived fiefs.

Congress leaders from the state had created a flutter by announcing that Sachin Tendulkar and actress Rekha would campaign for the party. The cricketer has denied any such plans.

State Congress coordinator Pramod Gugalia recently named central party official Sanjay Nirupam as his source for the “information”, but Nirupam has denied the claim.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1131104/j ... 528022.jsp

syele · Post by **syele** » 04 Nov 2013 07:19

Modi needs to find his Bhatti as in Bhatti-Vikramarka to rule dilli while he takes care of dilli-billi vetalas.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Nov 2013 07:23

It was long drawn much much earlier in the thread that it was Modi vs Kangrez. It was and frighteningly never BJP vs Kangrez.. that is true even today. I too feel, if Modi does not change the babooze system, BJP == Kangrez should not be taken light. I mean number games.

When it comes clean governance, it takes vision. the tragedies that can be prevented can still happen under any rule.. the vision to take preventive steps rather reactive steps is what matters. If Modi can infuse that preventive care system for our democracy, he can become greater than MG.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Nov 2013 07:41

Centre likely to declare quota for Jats to counter Modi's 'backward' card

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centr ... s/1190649/

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Nov 2013 07:45

^Modi should not endorse that move, even by BJP as group. He should talk about recreating a quota system based on economic status. period. instead of muslim or jat or christian, everyone is equal card would be ideal for modi. If i were modi, i'd have said that immediately. poor people needs help to join them with mainstream in jobs and education. he will get his votes from everywhere, not just one community.

kangrez has now gone communal on jats!!!!!

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 04 Nov 2013 07:56

Sushupti wrote:Centre likely to declare quota for Jats to counter Modi's 'backward' card

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centr ... s/1190649/

isn't the code of conduct for state elections in place.. can they do such a thing ?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Nov 2013 08:05

The idea is to change unpopular sitting mla candidates. Chowhan did not do that. Caste, naxal and EJ ganging is being tried on Raman Singh. Mla sitting candidates are also unpopular there and needed to be changed. Political agility is needed. That seemed lacking.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 04 Nov 2013 08:49

SaiK wrote:If Modi can infuse that preventive care system for our democracy, he can become greater than MG.

SaiK, if you mean MKG, then sorry to say he is a straw man and is a very low bar according to the current gy[w]an being peddled on MKG thread.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 04 Nov 2013 08:54

syele wrote:Modi needs to find his Bhatti as in Bhatti-Vikramarka to rule dilli while he takes care of dilli-billi vetalas.

Nice, syele garu. Good thinking. CBN could have been Bhatti had he not pulled the rug from NDA after Godhra massacre of hindus. mundu mundu emaivutundo chUDAli (We have to wait and see how the plot is going to unfold).

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 08:59

matrimc wrote:
syele wrote:Modi needs to find his Bhatti as in Bhatti-Vikramarka to rule dilli while he takes care of dilli-billi vetalas.
Nice, syele garu. Good thinking. CBN could have been Bhatti had he not pulled the rug from NDA after Godhra massacre of hindus. mundu mundu emaivutundo chUDAli (We have to wait and see how the plot is going to unfold).

CBN did not pull the rug. BJP and TDP went as pre-poll alliance. They sailed and sank together. It was after BJP lost and UPA-1 formed, he parted way.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 04 Nov 2013 09:10

matrimc, he might be an elite's straw, but definitely aam's stalwart... kangrez peddling will happen at least one more decade to come, as generations pass by. for future, an idol can emerge better for futer aams, and there is a tremendous oppty here if i may step into nostradamus shoes... but, i can't prove it since, modi might not listen to me. if he listens to someone else who has my opinion is enough to trigger an evolution bypassing a revolution. at the end, the triggers that made it happen will get the name.

initially, it might be a struggle.. but if every plate is full, and there are no poor left unturned, and satisfied.. what else more is needed to establish?

the straw man would still play hands, as he has already made his day long back, and made history that never be erased, and it might be important to have a link with him, to get a backbone to many strategic thoughts. use use use all that we can, and get the right person do the right job. rest is all mastercard.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 Nov 2013 09:23

harbans wrote:I have a feeling that the Arab Spring is nothing compared to the Modi spring that is about to hit the US and it's credentials to the core. Modi is going to sweep big time in India. He's going to sweep up massive public opinion in Pakistan. And he's going to make the USA look like a wimp. Just a feeling though.

Tathaastu! India will be changed for ever to become Bharat. One Decade, Quadrupling of GDP in Desh change Asia and World forever by going back to 17th Century Natural equation of economic balance.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Nov 2013 09:40

^^Was reading an article recently on the coming BD polls where the BNP-Jamaat may have an edge over incumbent Hasina's Awamis. Was wondering if there's anything Yindia could do to influence a few votes in the latter's favor as she's immensely better for us than the rabid BNP-JeI combo.

Then figured that's prolly how mass thinks about desi polls you know... how to influence factors such that their pliable pliant venal UPA regime against a possibly less malleable challenger...

Bad analogy I know, coz Hasina's doing as good if not better a job for the prosperity of the aam beedee than khaleda would, and BD is our direct neighbour unlike unkil.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Nov 2013 10:49

It is reported here that Modi exploring 3 options in AP. TRS, TDP, Jagan. By ensuring TRS do not marge with mafia, the Telangana TRS MP s will be available to bjp after election. Similarly who ever wins rest of AP, may also want to share power in NDA.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Nov 2013 12:28

the number 108 is ironic...

He is now protected by 108 Black Cat commandos of the National Security Guard (NSG), the anti-terrorism force that fought the ~~militants~~ terrorists who mounted the Mumbai attack. Originally, Modi had a small NSG group trained to whisk him away in case of attack, a Home Ministry official said. But his security has been stepped up and he now has three layers of protection: one group to take on any attackers, a second to provide cover and a third to get him to safety. Ajay Sahni, head of the Delhi-based Institute of Conflict Management, said that given the rings of security, the chance of a direct attack on Modi or Rahul was low. "The inner core is very heavily protected," said Sahni, whose institute studies South Asian militant groups. "It would be hard to penetrate unless the groups have the capacity to project explosives such as missiles. Those are difficult to smuggle around," he said. The biggest risk was the politicians themselves pushing against the security bubble as they bid to reach out to voters, Sahni said. Unlike in the West, powerful leaders in India at times overrule their security agents and wade into crowds.

Read more at: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/india-throws ... ef_article

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 Nov 2013 12:32

does anyone know the list of SPG protectees? other than MMS and the Family are there former PMs under cover?
iirc folks like Gowdaji and late inder gujral had declined this cover.
afaik the SPG is some 3000 in number.

SPG gets the latest n greatest gear http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/Ne ... tml#photo2

niran · Post by **niran** » 04 Nov 2013 12:40

^^^ dynasty and vadra upto his keeds, MMS but not his wife and keeds
The President and Vice President but current Vice President is very averse to protection shotection

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Nov 2013 13:35

Now this air-conditioned oaf has to say something...

Omar Abdullah says there is no Modi wave in India
Must be true. Omar is saying it after all...

Jammu and Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah said on Monday that there may be a Modi effect vis-a-vis the BJP but there was no Modi wave in the country.

Addressing the media here, Abdullah said the Modi effect would not enthuse the average voter but it may galvanise the Bharatiya Janata Party cadres.

He said the National Conference was a committed ally of of the Congress and remains firmly with the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) at the national level.

Answering questions about his statement that the relations between Jammu and Kashmir and New Delhi could be revisited on the pattern of Ireland and Scotland relations with the United Kingdom, Abdullah said everyone was giving his perception about a possible solution to the Kashmir problem and that his comment should be viewed in that perspective.

"The problem can only be resolved through dialogue and discussion."

But he quickly added that Jammu and Kashmir was an integral part of the country and he had no doubt about this.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Nov 2013 13:47

We need to separate Ladhak/ Leh from Kashmir first. People of Ladhak and Leh don't want to be part of the Kashmiri state. If we can grant Telangana, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh why not give the right to the people of Ladhak. It is the largest geographical area in J&K. NM should work on these lines.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Nov 2013 14:09

Sushupti wrote:Chouhan seeks Modi help to win elections

Bhopal, Nov. 3: The Madhya Pradesh polls appear headed for a tight finish, prompting Shivraj Singh Chouhan to seek three more rallies in the state by Narendra Modi, whom he was once keen to keep off the campaign because of his anti-minority image.

Hmmm...Looks like some here in BRF have to MODIfy their views on SS Chouhan..

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 04 Nov 2013 14:18

harbans wrote:We need to separate Ladhak/ Leh from Kashmir first. People of Ladhak and Leh don't want to be part of the Kashmiri state. If we can grant Telangana, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh why not give the right to the people of Ladhak. It is the largest geographical area in J&K. NM should work on these lines.

That will play well into islamic hands. Kashmir will be lost a lot easily.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 04 Nov 2013 14:26

That will play well into islamic hands. Kashmir will be lost a lot easily.

look at the map! No Kashmir cannot be lost that way because the valley is just a 30 km by 70 km long rump. By democratically giving statehood to Ladhakians, one can settle large numbers of Indians particularly soldiers that have served in that area. The get only a Kashmir valley state at maximum. The bigger debate that is started if Kashmiri's want their 'democratic' voices heard, why are they so keen on downing the Leh/ Ladhakian voices who don't want to be party to Islamist domination of Kashmir. Anyways discuss this on another thread.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 04 Nov 2013 15:40

Singha wrote:does anyone know the list of SPG protectees? other than MMS and the Family are there former PMs under cover?
iirc folks like Gowdaji and late inder gujral had declined this cover.
afaik the SPG is some 3000 in number.

SPG gets the latest n greatest gear http://indiatoday.intoday.in/gallery/Ne ... tml#photo2

in spite of what he might have said in public, gowdaji had cried a lot to powers that be after MHA recommended removal of his SPG cover. to no avail.

niran wrote:^^^ dynasty and vadra upto his keeds, MMS but not his wife and keeds
The President and Vice President but current Vice President is very averse to protection shotection

wife and kids do get cover but the prof one doesn't let them intrude into her functions as an univ teacher.

FWIW, younger daughter has a senior eye bee afsar for husband.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Nov 2013 15:52

Statehood to Jammu and ut to Ladakh should be declared as a poll promise to rattle mafia. It can not go to Jammu for elections. Ghurkhaland, Bodoland are also demands which bjp can support. None of these demands get state Assembly support. Division will be a forced one. But bjp now ok with forced division of states.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Nov 2013 16:30

^^Vidharba will cost them MH, something they can ill afford to lose right now.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 Nov 2013 17:43

I am not advocating Vidharbha unless SS and MNS are on board. The division or creation of states is now strictly political decision and sole criteria is political advantage, bjp now can see where it get benefit and put them in their manifesto.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 04 Nov 2013 18:21

panduranghari wrote:
harbans wrote:We need to separate Ladhak/ Leh from Kashmir first. People of Ladhak and Leh don't want to be part of the Kashmiri state. If we can grant Telangana, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh why not give the right to the people of Ladhak. It is the largest geographical area in J&K. NM should work on these lines.
That will play well into islamic hands. Kashmir will be lost a lot easily.

There's the small matter of returning the Pandits to their land, forcibly if necessary. By perpetrating genocide, the so-called Kashmiri Muslims have lost all legitimacy in the Valley. They can stay in a truncated Valley with the Pandits or move to Azad Kashmir which we should thank the Pakis for creating. All it needs is an iron hand in Delhi.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 Nov 2013 19:00

cvoter poll timesnow discussion

http://www.timesnow.tv/National-poll-pr ... 439281.cms

says 20% voteshare for bjp in odisha (!!)... dunno what to make of this. Also MH politics is in a nice twist.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 19:36

Hari Seldon wrote:cvoter poll timesnow discussion

http://www.timesnow.tv/National-poll-pr ... 439281.cms

says 20% voteshare for bjp in odisha (!!)... dunno what to make of this. Also MH politics is in a nice twist.

Please post numbers here. Going thru video at work is difficult.

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 04 Nov 2013 19:48

^^ Basically in MH, SS+BJP+RPI = 29 with MNS getting another 2.
In odisha, 20% vote share to BJP but that translates to 0 seats. 9 for congress and 12 for BJD, BJD losing seats to congress here.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 19:53

Amol.D wrote:^^ Basically in MH, SS+BJP+RPI = 29 with MNS getting another 2.
In odisha, 20% vote share to BJP but that translates to 0 seats. 9 for congress and 12 for BJD, BJD losing seats to congress here.

If they really go as SS+BJP+RPI+MNS then then may kill off INC+NCP. In Odhisa BJD should go with BJP in coalition.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 Nov 2013 19:59

Muppalla wrote:
Amol.D wrote:^^ Basically in MH, SS+BJP+RPI = 29 with MNS getting another 2.
In odisha, 20% vote share to BJP but that translates to 0 seats. 9 for congress and 12 for BJD, BJD losing seats to congress here.
If they really go as SS+BJP+RPI+MNS then then may kill off INC+NCP. In Odhisa BJD should go with BJP in coalition.

Papoo will go with his Nehruvian loyalties.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 04 Nov 2013 20:01

BJP has been a player in Odisha. There was 2 years ago, India Today poll, that had these %, BJD -33%, BJP -30% and Con at 27%. The Con pasand writer of that survey was lamenting how BJP is overtaking Con space as apposition. Odisha is a clear place for BJP to win (allying with BJD will delay/kill it, not aligning will give Congress seats) - It has two dominant player, Con identified as corrupt and bad and BJD as good but inefficient. There is a space for a party that is good and efficient (What BJP has been in Guj, MP, CH, failed being that in JH, UK and HP,KA). If BJD acts recalcitrant, BJP should make a push and increase its tally from 0 to 1 or 2. Mostly it will be killing BJD prospects and improving Cong. So one state that should be thought through with multiple surveys.

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 04 Nov 2013 20:08

hmmm timesnow says in UP : BJP gets just 17, BSP on the other hand gets 31.
all anchors are rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of a faceoff between bhenji and amma for the post of PM

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Nov 2013 20:21

Amol.D wrote:hmmm timesnow says in UP : BJP gets just 17, BSP on the other hand gets 31.
all anchors are rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of a faceoff between bhenji and amma for the post of PM

this is same as Nilsen survey. What is the total for BJP?

member_23658 · Post by **member_23658** » 04 Nov 2013 20:28

186 for NDA, 113 for UPA.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 04 Nov 2013 20:30

Muppalla wrote:
Amol.D wrote:^^ Basically in MH, SS+BJP+RPI = 29 with MNS getting another 2.
In odisha, 20% vote share to BJP but that translates to 0 seats. 9 for congress and 12 for BJD, BJD losing seats to congress here.
If they really go as SS+BJP+RPI+MNS then then may kill off INC+NCP. In Odhisa BJD should go with BJP in coalition.

SS and MNS joining forces would be ideal however if Thackeray senior couldn't even reunite the warring brothers then I doubt they will reunite now. MNS may well join the NDA eventually however unless there is a specific pre poll seat sharing agreement between SS and MSN they will just eat into each others votes and NCP/INC will be the net gainers.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 04 Nov 2013 20:49

Amol.D wrote:hmmm timesnow says in UP : BJP gets just 17, BSP on the other hand gets 31.
all anchors are rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of a faceoff between bhenji and amma for the post of PM

Well, we can go gaga over NaMo, but reality is BJP cannot jump from 10 to 40 just becos of modi. 17-20 seems more like it and even that is in doubt if bsp and cong ally. Obc's need not necessasrily consolidate behind bjp to thwart maya and cong, they can go with sp also. Brahmins of UP will as usual ditch bjp. There is nothing called as hindu vote. These guys said ram is a figment of imagination and UP voters gifted cong bsp and sp with seats in 2009, so much for hindu vote.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 04 Nov 2013 21:05

I thought Nielson had a different take in UP.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 04 Nov 2013 21:07

how about this brainfart.. BJP seat count..

Andhra Pradesh - 4/42
Arunachal Pradesh - 1/2
Assam - 3/14
Bihar - 25/40
Chhattisgarh - 8/11
Goa - 2/2
Gujarat - 23/26
Haryana - 3/10
Himachal Pradesh - 2/4
Jammu and Kashmir - 2/6
Jharkhand - 6/14
Karnataka 14/28
Madhya Pradesh 24/29
Maharashtra - 15/48
Odisha - 5/21
Punjab - 5/13
Rajasthan - 20/25
Tamil Nadu - 1/39
Uttar Pradesh - 45/80
Uttarakhand - 3/ 5
West Bengal - 2/42
Dadra and Nagar Haveli - 1
Daman and Diu - 1
Delhi - 4/7

total - 225 seats for BJP alone..