World Chess Champion Anand defends his title.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Nov 2013 19:47

I see Rd7 as the only possible move now. he is under time pressure as well.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Nov 2013 19:53

Anand is going to lose onlee

Rahul come on with your jinxes and ityadi......we stopped jinxing and Carlsen has come back into the game.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Nov 2013 19:58

Youtube seems to have stopped telecase.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 13 Nov 2013 20:13

KJoishy wrote:Youtube seems to have stopped telecase.

It's not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmaKaH77RCE

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 13 Nov 2013 20:26

Phew!!!!!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Nov 2013 20:35

what happened ... phew could mean anything good or bad

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 13 Nov 2013 20:37

Satya_anveshi wrote:Phew!!!!!

So, what happened? Has the match ended?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 13 Nov 2013 20:40

it is a D R A W from what seemed like a position with pawn and bishop to knight adv in fav of MC entering into the end game.

saip · Post by **saip** » 13 Nov 2013 20:46

64 moves and its a draw!

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 13 Nov 2013 20:53

Anand -Carlsen (0.5-0.5)
Nov 14, 2013
Chennai
Anand played Ruy Lopez opening (exchange variation).

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. h3 Bd7 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Nc3 Kc8 12. Bg5 h6 13. Bxe7 Nxe7 14. Rd2 c5 15. Rad1 Be6 16. Ne1 Ng6 17. Nd3 b6 18. Ne2 Bxa2 19. b3 c4 20. Ndc1 cxb3 21. cxb3 Bb1 22. f4 Kb7 23. Nc3 Bf5 24. g4 Bc8 25. Nd3 h5 26. f5 Ne7 27. Nb5 hxg4 28. hxg4 Rh4 29. Nf2 Nc6 30. Rc2 a5 31. Rc4 g6 32. Rdc1 Bd7 33. e6 fxe6 34. fxe6 Be8 35. Ne4 Rxg4+ 36. Kf2 Rf4+ 37. Ke3 Rf8 38. Nd4 Nxd4 39. Rxc7+ Ka6 40. Kxd4 Rd8+ 41. Kc3 Rf3+ 42. Kb2 Re3 43. Rc8 Rdd3 44. Ra8+ Kb7 45. Rxe8 Rxe4 46. e7 Rg3 47. Rc3 Re2+ 48. Rc2 Ree3 49. Ka2 g5 50. Rd2 Re5 51. Rd7+ Kc6 52. Red8 Rge3 53. Rd6+ Kb7 54. R8d7+ Ka6 55. Rd5 Re2+ 56. Ka3 Re6 57. Rd8 g4 58. Rg5 Rxe7 59. Ra8+ Kb7 60. Rag8 a4 61. Rxg4 axb3 62. R8g7 Ka6 63. Rxe7 Rxe7 64. Kxb3

Overall score after Game4 - 2.0-2.0

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Nov 2013 21:26

all 4 matches black had the advantage, is black the new white now ?

meanwhile, amma watches everything

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 13 Nov 2013 21:37

Rahul M wrote:all 4 matches black had the advantage, is black the new white now ?

We also have a black President. So Black IS the new White!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Nov 2013 21:46

well, my president is brown.

anand has an amazing poker face btw.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 13 Nov 2013 22:00

For MC self admittedly Black is his preference to White in a match , is what I read somewhere.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Nov 2013 03:52

Marten wrote:What a wonderful game. Hats off to both. To Magnus, for chasing Anand all over! And to Anand, for defending well.
I liked the post-match conference. Nice camaraderie. Anand looked very pissed at the question regarding whether his team requested that Kasparov not be seated in the first row. Bizarre questions.

Journos there are being dumb.

I am disappointed that Anand could not pull victories from the last two games. I am just plain greedy.

Out in America, Carlsen and Kasparov are celebrated as "Lord Labukku Das". Yesterday somebody asked Carlsen a question about Kasparov too. Kasparov is not at the top of their minds now.

I am happy that Anand held Carlsen to four draws. All the pre-match euphoria about the glorious Carlsen made it like Carlsen would rout Anand 7-0 to win the WC. I sense that some journalists and hype-masters would now grudgingly acknowledge that Carlsen is great but he is not invincible and is vulnerable.

disha · Post by **disha** » 14 Nov 2013 07:27

Game analysis from IE. I myself gave up on world championship titles when a now a close friend defeated me in chess in just 3 moves. :-((

There is little by way of conventional action in chess and when a game goes on for close to six hours as Wednesday's did, the (rare and tenacious) fan usually flips between several sources of information to get a feel of the pulse of the game: the body language of the players on the live feed, time left on the players' clocks, commentators' analyses, engines that evaluate each position, opinion of Grandmasters on Twitter and so on. Midway through game four, most of these indicators predicted that Viswanathan Anand was in big trouble.
As with his first white game, Anand began with 1. e4 but Carlsen replied with the hyper-solid Berlin defence. The danger in dealing with the Berlin is that in trying to get through black's strong defences, white often ends up over-extending his position and ends up worse off than before. Anand sacrificed a pawn (allowing 18... Bxa2) and in return, was ahead in development, though it was difficult to see how exactly he could make this count. Carlsen's rooks and light squared bishop found themselves in their starting squares well into the middle game and white had a passed pawn on the e file. The window was fast closing on Anand though and Carlsen was already getting his pieces out of the bind. A pawn push (a5) and a pawn break (g6) threatened to open up the files for his rooks and let them loose. Carlsen had, in chess talk, almost digested the offered pawn.

Chess engines said Anand was close to losing. Boris Gelfand, commenting for a Russian website, said only a 'miracle' could save Anand. "What to do now? No more active play Anand is on the verge of losing," tweeted local GM SP Sethuraman. Jon Ludvig Hammer, widely recognised to be Carlsen's second, made a direct reference to a game for the first time since the match started. "Guts (Bxa2), calculation (a5) and technique (g6). Game on, Vishy!" he tweeted.

Improbable move

The 'miracle' that would bail Anand out was Ne4, an improbable 'computer move' that the engine suggested, Ne4. Any other move and Anand's position, already difficult to hold, would just be completely lost. The reason why Ne4 did not appear a human or for that matter a likely move was that it required Anand, who was already a pawn down, to give up another for nothing more concrete than piece activity. What was more, Anand had to find the move under severe time pressure, with just eight minutes left for six moves before the first time control. {At this stage M. Carlson's team will start wondering how to defeat the champ. MC is in severe pressure now - the legend has pulled out an improbable game}

Anand found the move and played it. For the players, it was just one of 64 moves in the game, and in any case, the battle was far from over (in fact the game went on for another 29 moves and two hours) but it may well have been the move of the match so far. A few moves later, when Carlsen realised that the win that had appeared his for the taking had somehow slipped away, he swore silently but clearly.

A Race against time

Throughout the latter part of the game, Anand had very little left on his clock but still had to play accurately to come away with the draw. Carlsen had nothing to lose and carried on in a four rooks and pawns endgame. The Norwegian had declined Anand's draw offer in a theoretically equal ending in game three and it was no surprise that he played on here, especially when a tired mistake would have Anand walking into mating nets. The champion survived the nearly six-hour-long game, keeping the match score level.[\b]

Though all four games so far have ended in draws, they have gotten progressively longer and closer to resolution. The result seems around the corner.

Game four: Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defence

Anand-Carlsen: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. h3 Bd7 10. Rd1 Be7 11. Nc3 Kc8 12. Bg5 h6 13. Bxe7 Nxe7 14. Rd2 c5 15. Rad1 Be6 16. Ne1 Ng6 17. Nd3 b6 18. Ne2 Bxa2 19. b3 c4 20. Ndc1 cxb3 21. cxb3 Bb1 22. f4 Kb7 23. Nc3 Bf5 24. g4 Bc8 25. Nd3 h5 26. f5 Ne7 27. Nb5 hxg4 28. hxg4 Rh4 29. Nf2 Nc6 30. Rc2 a5 31. Rc4 g6 32. Rdc1 Bd7 33. e6 fxe6 34. fxe6 Be8 35. Ne4 Rxg4+ 36. Kf2 Rf4+ 37. Ke3 Rf8 38. Nd4 Nxd4 39. Rxc7+ Ka6 40. Kxd4 Rd8+ 41. Kc3 Rf3+ 42. Kb2 Re3 43. Rc8 Rdd3 44. Ra8+ Kb7 45. Rxe8 Rxe4 46. e7 Rg3 47. Rc3 Re2+ 48. Rc2 Ree3 49. Ka2 g5 50. Rd2 Re5 51. Rd7+ Kc6 52. Red8 Rge3 53. Rd6+ Kb7 54. R8d7+ Ka6 55. Rd5 Re2+ 56. Ka3 Re6 57. Rd8 g4 58. Rg5 Rxe7 59. Ra8+ Kb7 60. Rag8 a4 61. Rxg4 axb3 62. R8g7 Ka6 63. Rxe7 Rxe7 64. Kxb3 1/2-1/2. Overall score: Anand 2 Carlsen 2.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/title ... /1194710/0

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Nov 2013 09:26

disha wrote:Game analysis from IE. I myself gave up on world championship titles when a now a close friend defeated me in chess in just 3 moves. :-((

I have 5 move game to defeat the opponent.
I teach the children in the family to defeat the adults ::

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 10:04

^fewest moves to checkmate is 2 . Of course the other player has to be a fool- Try 1.f3 e5 2.g4 Qh4# . That's why this is call Fool's mate

However, one of the most common tactic beginners apply is a mate in four moves. - Try 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Qxf7# Because this is often played by newbies, it is called Scholar's mate.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 11:29

According to this website, it seems India has about 35 GMs (including 3 WGMs) and about 1400 players with Elo rating of 2000 and above.

That is freaking awesome (IMO) but given we are such a large country and "who we are"

, the numbers can easily be 50x in about 5-8 years. Currently we are behind RUS and USA.

Goal 1: Beat US in the list of 2000+ rated players (not that difficult)
Goal 2: Beat RUS in the list of 2000+ rated players

specifically in certain age groups (under 12, under 15, and under 19)

Here is a list of junior (under 19) and their ratings.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 14 Nov 2013 13:12

Game #4 Animation.

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 Nov 2013 14:08

Satya_anveshi wrote:According to this website, it seems India has about 35 GMs (including 3 WGMs) and about 1400 players with Elo rating of 2000 and above.

That is freaking awesome (IMO) but given we are such a large country and "who we are" , the numbers can easily be 50x in about 5-8 years. Currently we are behind RUS and USA.

Goal 1: Beat US in the list of 2000+ rated players (not that difficult)
Goal 2: Beat RUS in the list of 2000+ rated players

specifically in certain age groups (under 12, under 15, and under 19)

Here is a list of junior (under 19) and their ratings.

But FIDE has a different list. India is ranked 8th on it.
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Nov 2013 14:36

saip wrote:
But FIDE has a different list. India is ranked 8th on it.
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml

Interesting list .

What's wrong with Pakis btw, they are absent in the list of over 150 countries both in men's or women's

This fact should now get into my standard trolling book for Pakis.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 Nov 2013 14:45

even BD has about 5 *masters.

other than parimarjan negi, I don't see any world beaters in our next crop of players tho'. who after anand ?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 14 Nov 2013 16:16

my kid wants to take up chess , but knowing him he will probably start playing zoo with those horses and elephants

my dad tried teaching him , but he wants to play his way, rooks goes jumping around and horses go straight, because horses run straight

shyamoo · Post by **shyamoo** » 14 Nov 2013 19:12

Satya_anveshi wrote:^fewest moves to checkmate is 2 . Of course the other player has to be a fool- Try 1.f3 e5 2.g4 Qh4# . That's why this is call Fool's mate

However, one of the most common tactic beginners apply is a mate in four moves. - Try 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Qxf7# Because this is often played by newbies, it is called Scholar's mate.

Never underestimate the power of opening traps. One of my teammates defeated an opponent by Legal's mate. And this was at university level!!

We routed every team that year. Intact, after the 3rd fond opponents had given up against us. They were just intimidated by us

Once upon a time, moi was pretty good at chess. Used to even play blindfold against opponents not blindfolded ... And used to beat them.

Once I started to read books and improve theoretically, my game started to decline. I would concentrate too much on theory etc and lose the plot. My strength was more tactical than strategic play. That was when I gave up on chess.

The last time I played was about 5 yrs ago against my friends daughter who was around 14 at that time. Got myself into a bind trying to recollect opening theory. Had to sacrifice 3 pieces to get out of the situation. Eventually managed to win. Then I showed the moves that would have given her the win. She was surprised that I could remember the exact position and the moves that she had made. All this while my friend I were making good use of a bottle scotch!!!

I encouraged her to take up chess more seriously. She was very good. But my friend wanted her to concentrate on studies...

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 19:28

saip wrote:But FIDE has a different list. India is ranked 8th on it.
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml

This list although more authentic than the other list, is based on average Elo rating of titled players of a country. The other list serves as a leading indicator of general non titled and emerging talent. Look at China, Hungary and Armenia relative to India and see why they are higher than us.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Nov 2013 19:54

Lilo wrote:
saip wrote:
But FIDE has a different list. India is ranked 8th on it.
http://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml
Interesting list .

What's wrong with Pakis btw, they are absent in the list of over 150 countries both in men's or women's
This fact should now get into my standard trolling book for Pakis.

Saar, don't you know that the Holy Brophet specifically outlawed chess as a conspiracy of the Kafirs?
Momeen are into true manly sports, like planting bums, firing AK47s and throwing acid on wimmens.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 14 Nov 2013 19:57

<OT comment > I know sir ji , but I thought Pakis might have got some interest rubbed off from their Turkic or Persian fourefathers and like their regular bragging about their high IQ counts as supposedly depicted by O-levels passed, fake Microsoft certifications cleared , web hacking or their IT prowess , they would have bragged at some point about their chess prowess too and how their fourfathers developed the game waghera waghera..

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 20:13

vnmshyam wrote:Never underestimate the power of opening traps. One of my teammates defeated an opponent by Legal's mate. And this was at university level!!

IMO to get anywhere close to being titled (actually even 1500 or so), one needs to get past opening traps and even general blunders (those which result in immediate (next 3-4 moves) deterioration in your position and ability to defend.

Reaching this purely based on instinct (or instant evaluation) is very rare and potentially gives unpredictable results - one MUST have reviewed and mastered at least all basic and medium level variations of standard openings, middle game strategies / tactics, and end game positions.

saip · Post by **saip** » 14 Nov 2013 20:15

Satya: The FIDE list has correct no GMs in each country. China does have more. A few years ago India was ahead and it looks like, like everything else, they have set up an assembly line to manufacture GMs. Even a little country like Armenia has 36 GMs two more than India.
You are right in the no of those with an ELO rating of 2000 or more.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 20:36

Rahul M wrote:even BD has about 5 *masters.

other than parimarjan negi, I don't see any world beaters in our next crop of players tho'. who after anand ?

I have strong feeling that our next will be an ABCD unless situation in India changes dramatically and parents focus on chess.

My suggestion to BR junta and lurkers is to initiate your kids to Chess early on - 4 years is good and NOT too early at all. A few years here and there also is fine. Give them all resource available - software is not always good but should be there. More important is to play with other players (regardless of age diff), clubs, and *parents*. Try to muster some funds to provide formal training - this will go a looong way.

I have seen *desi parents* (one or both of them) learning chess in their 30s/40s to play with their kids. Those kids are doing fantastic and quite of few of them (barely 10 years) will strip their opponent of their shirt, pant, chaddi, and banian while hardly managing to sit in their chairs, taking care of their running nose or even having a good straight look at the board.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 14 Nov 2013 21:56

The open Carlsen-pyar on Chessbase is humorous to read. Before the event, there were folks talking about how the margin would be 7-0 to him as long as he bothered to turn up in Chennai. Now they're quoting a Slate article arguing that the world championship, and title of world champion, be ended, in favor of a 'grand slam' format of 4 major tournaments per year (probably most/all in Europe of course).

The funniest situation would be if Carlsen loses, and then has a Fischer-esque meltdown leading to him not qualifying in the next Candidates, with either Kramnik or Aronian going through as Anand's next challenger instead. Even the potential next FIDE president - Kasparov - has a open disregard for Anand's legitimacy as undisputed world champ, even though he's held the title for more than 6 years across 3-4 challenges. Anand has held the title longer than Petrosian and Capablanca, and ranks below Kasparov, Karpov and Botvinnik in longevity, discounting folks like Lasker and Alekhine, who had war and irregular championships to help them boost their title ownership duration; the era of regular challenges began after Botvinnik took over.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 14 Nov 2013 22:06

Satya, I played chess as a kid but I am not a theoritical player. My son got into chess a year ago but has moved off because of studies etc (he is 9). Any suggestions on how I can improve myself so I can get him back into it?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 Nov 2013 22:08

a delightful interview of kramnik in which he shares some deep insights into anand's style. seems oracle-ish given yesterday's game.
kramnik comes across as the thorough gentleman he is. it's from 2011
http://whychess.com/en/node/1605

VK = Kramnik
VT = Tkachiev

V.K.: No, I’ve always played won endgames poorly and couldn’t even tell you why myself. Perhaps I relax too soon. It’s when the evaluation isn’t yet clear, += or =+, that I play well and turn those endings into won ones, which I then sometimes make a mess of, just as I did in my younger years.

To be honest, I’ve never particularly stopped to think about the features of my own style, while I could give you a full breakdown on Anand. { }

V.T.: Let’s try that.

V.K.: I always considered him to be a colossal talent, one of the greatest in the whole history of chess. Each champion has had some sort of speciality, and his is creating counterplay in any position out of absolutely nowhere. He’s got an amazing ability to constantly stretch himself so that even in some kind of Exchange Slav he nevertheless manages to attack something and create something. He also plays absolutely brilliantly with knights, even better than Morozevich – if his knights start to jump around, particularly towards the king, then that’s that, it’s impossible to play against and they’ll just sweep away everything in their path. I noticed it’s better to get rid of them when you’re playing against him.

In general, he’s improved a great deal in recent years, at some point after 2002. He’s a chess player of genius, but previously he didn’t work enough, by and large.

V.T.: But how has he managed to improve? Did marriage help?

V.K.: Perhaps. He’s matured, while previously he lacked the character to become World Champion. I remember in 1995 against Kasparov it was enough just to poke him a little and he simply fell apart. In the match against me things were completely different. Plus, he’s started to work a great deal and now his opening preparation is among the best, if not the best. At the given moment I don’t see who can compete with him when he’s on form. Perhaps only Carlsen in his very best condition, though probably not. I think he’ll only leave the stage when he weakens himself and ceases to maintain that extremely high level.

V.T.: His weaknesses?

V.K.: The trouble is there almost aren’t any…

V.T.: So nowadays it’s impossible to play the psychological card against him?

V.K.: Yes, though in any case I never wanted to do something on the level of slamming doors (it seems this is hinting at the well-known case of game 10 of the Anand-Kasparov match in 1995, when Kasparov, or so many people claimed, slammed the door noisily on purpose in order to affect his opponent – V.T.) and so on. That’s something that in any case probably wouldn’t work now. His main weakness is that he’s no longer so young, and now he’s also got a child. I can’t imagine he’s still going to work his socks off as before. But at the given moment I think he’s the best in the world in terms of play, namely in terms of play.

V.T.: And the defence of passive positions?

V.K.: He’s doesn’t get passive positions, as they immediately become active.

V.T.: It seems to me he’s got a very big weakness, only it’s difficult to get at it – his play in blockaded positions. I could list half a dozen examples.

V.K.: He does have weaknesses. For example, he doesn’t sense some nuances or move orders very well. But the thing is that in modern chess you can arrange the whole play to suit your style – that’s the problem. So with a computer you can create your own little chess world and live in it. Ok, blockaded positions, but then he probably knows about that too. If you can tell me how to block everything in the Meran and still get an edge I’d be very grateful.

I think that namely in terms of play Anand is in no way weaker than Kasparov, but he’s simply a little lazy, relaxed and only focuses on matches. In the last 5-6 years he’s made a qualitative leap that’s made it possible to consider him one of the great chess players. Perhaps it doesn’t look like that to observers, but when you play against him you sense what a great range he has.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 Nov 2013 22:29

Marten, please read the interview and what he says about the topalov issue. it's much deeper than going to the loo 3 times in stead of two.

he is very politically aware as well.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 14 Nov 2013 22:43

Its likely there won’t be another Anand in India. He got through when things were disorganized and used his brain power to play a very unconventional style. I remember stories of him even as a boy playing 10-20 simultaneous games and beating everyone. Such an unconventional style these days would be resisted.

I don’t have too many hopes from the NRI crowd either. It is spelling bee or bust. All about mugging up and more mugging up, force fed from childhood.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 14 Nov 2013 23:11

KJoishy wrote:Satya, I played chess as a kid but I am not a theoritical player. My son got into chess a year ago but has moved off because of studies etc (he is 9). Any suggestions on how I can improve myself so I can get him back into it?

Depends on child's attitude too. My son joined enthusiastically and played well enough that the coach picked him and another boy to be their 'team' for competitive matches against other clubs but my son refused. I and the coach were surprised but he says he doesnt want matches, weekend wasted driving here there etc. and opted out. And this at age 10. Had me worried for a while since life, especially nowadays is competition. But then let it be considering that chess was just fun not passion for him. Maybe he will pick it up later or pick something else; maybe he knows his mind better than I ever did mine.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 23:16

KJoishy wrote:Satya, I played chess as a kid but I am not a theoritical player. My son got into chess a year ago but has moved off because of studies etc (he is 9). Any suggestions on how I can improve myself so I can get him back into it?

Best suggestion is to Just Play. Both of you join local chess club - I am sure there will be one in your neighborhood. Let him play and see you play - after that all you need to do ( and do whatever you must) to make him prepare for at least couple of hours (a week) before the club play. That will set him in cruise mode. If he takes off, he will spend at least an hour a day initially. If he gives more time, take him off other programs temporarily so he does not burn out. Run pisko (they won't know

) about how chess is stress relieving.

Even if he does not go all the way and reach 700-900ish, the benefits will be enormous as he is introduced to the concepts of - objective, pre-planning, openings, strategy, tradeoffs, "sacrifice", blunders, WIN, preferring draw to a lose, and most important is taking the defeat on chin and moving on to the new game.

After playing a tough game, my kid remarked (words to the effect) - I lost this game but I liked the other guy's play and I fought him really well. I want to play with him again and turn the tables. I looked at my lady and said..our kid has arrived.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Nov 2013 23:34

viv wrote:Depends on child's attitude too. My son joined enthusiastically and played well enough that the coach picked him and another boy to be their 'team' for competitive matches against other clubs but my son refused. I and the coach were surprised but he says he doesnt want matches, weekend wasted driving here there etc. and opted out. And this at age 10. Had me worried for a while since life, especially nowadays is competition. But then let it be considering that chess was just fun not passion for him. Maybe he will pick it up later or pick something else; maybe he knows his mind better than I ever did mine.

I've seen kids taking a break and coming back with great interest and improving the game significantly. Some kids don't like competition. I would suggest in that case, don't compete right away but play the game together or review some earlier games or standard openings. Just focus on What and Whys.
Play with him and let him beat the "cr@p out of you"

- morale increase. Chess camps are a good way to start also if it is not crowed too much.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Nov 2013 23:53

Marten wrote: Reading books, repeating games, analyzing alternatives are all passe now. One has to see the computer based prep to believe it!

Is that it is in India these days? As far as the city in US, I am now in, kids who are serious about chess, take lessons. And these lessons are not computer based prep work. Because of convenience some of the lessons are conducted over Skype and ityadi format, but the tutors do not use the engines to teach. My sons have gone to 3 coaches, all teach them over the board without any computer.
I buy tonnes of books, and kids do analyze their games. It boils down to clubs and the chess circuit in the city. If there is an active circuit, then computer prep can be avoided to a great deal. We still use Fritz, Stockfish, Shredder ityadi.

One needs to have a deeper understanding of the chess to excel in it.