Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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RajeshA wrote:His actions were only politically speaking tactically unwise, but morally acceptable.

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But he has acted in the best traditions of Hindu Samaj!

People in society who have been calling for Vijay Jolly's head are trying to impose their own secular will onto Hindutva, trying to box it in. There is no need for being apologetic here.
Utter nonsense. You are getting carried away.

I never said anything about apologies. Why should the party apologize for Jolly ? Firm disciplinary action, and public announcement of the same, is what is needed.

Respectfully requesting party leadership to do the needful. Thanking you,

KL
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RajeshA ji - teeted using #UpmarketCriminals. Hope you don't mind. TQ for wonderful creation.
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nageshks wrote:
RajeshA wrote: Upmarket criminals need to be shown the anger in society for their arrogance and crimes.
`Upmarket Criminals' is a superb description of Shoma and Tejpal, RajeshA-ji. Do you mind if I use this in my tweet for people like them?
Santosh wrote:RajeshA ji - teeted using #UpmarketCriminals. Hope you don't mind. TQ for wonderful creation.
Please do use if you wish.
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KLP Dubey wrote: Utter nonsense. You are getting carried away.

I never said anything about apologies. Why should the party apologize for Jolly ? Firm disciplinary action, and public announcement of the same, is what is needed.

Respectfully requesting party leadership to do the needful. Thanking you,

KL
I am perfectly ok with what Vijay Jolly did. I am surprised why he apologized at all.

If anything he should apologize for the fact that he only blackened Shoma Chowdhury's nameplate and not her face.

There is a major problem with BJP Leaders. They are ashamed of being aggressive.

If you are in the business of opposing Congressis and their lackeys, there is one rule you should follow. No quarters given and none asked for.
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KLP Dubey wrote:
RajeshA wrote:His actions were only politically speaking tactically unwise, but morally acceptable.

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But he has acted in the best traditions of Hindu Samaj!

People in society who have been calling for Vijay Jolly's head are trying to impose their own secular will onto Hindutva, trying to box it in. There is no need for being apologetic here.
Utter nonsense. You are getting carried away.

I never said anything about apologies. Why should the party apologize for Jolly ? Firm disciplinary action, and public announcement of the same, is what is needed.

Respectfully requesting party leadership to do the needful. Thanking you,

KL
May be as next step BJP politicians should wear Jain mouth masks and walk barefoot!

There is absolutely no reason for taking any action against Vijay Jolly. Just because a few Dilli-Billis started shouting "vandalism, vandalism", it doesn't mean everybody should then start getting one's knickers into a knot.
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On the other hand maybe Vijay Jolly can take a self imposed exile(laceration actually) of one week for this grave misjudgment. Probably Shoma Chowdhuri's nameplate was too shiny which tempted Mr. Jolly to apply paint. I am sure he is feeling extremely sorry and will continue to do penance for next one week for misconstruing the situation.

By the way has the nameplate actually complained to anyone about being blackened ? If no then why people are making such a fuss. Mr. Jolly and nameplate would probably settle this between themselves.
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darshhan wrote:On the other hand maybe Vijay Jolly can take a self imposed exile(laceration actually) of one week for this grave misjudgment. Probably Shoma Chowdhuri's nameplate was too shiny which tempted Mr. Jolly to apply paint. I am sure he is feeling extremely sorry and will continue to do penance for next one week for misconstruing the situation.

By the way has the nameplate actually complained to anyone about being blackened ? If no then why people are making such a fuss. Mr. Jolly and nameplate would probably settle this between themselves.
:rotfl: :lol:
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on the snoop trail, the cobrapost has "the tapes"... now leaving behind the words "tapes", which i doubt is the technology used today to snoop.. [something MSM must think.. they can't be continuing on this stupidity and behaving like illiterates forever], what i am questioning is this: amit shah is snooping on the girl from higher orders, and now the tapes confirm somebody else is snooping on amit shah to get "the tapes" made.

does is it take another "the tape of the tapes" to find the inner tape? why did cobrapost snoop on amit shah? did the pseudo-gandhis told them to do so? the tape hierarchy structure needs to be explained to public.. let us call it the tapestry project. :) shahzadi-saadi me kuch kala hai.
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Its a media tactic. Vijay Jolly was approached by some media house/s to do all this drama and try to divert the case from the real issue. Its not as if he found some black paint lying below the name plate of Ms. Shomeless Chowdhary. It was pre-planned drama to do ek teer se do shikaar. Corner BJP and generate sympathizers for Ms. Shomeless. After this incident, there was a tweet or two about it cutting across all media houses/persons etc. They know Turdpal is toast and there is no escape. Now they are on the job to save Ms. Chowdhary from being held equally guilty in trying to protect Turdpal and obstruction of justice.
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SaiK wrote:on the snoop trail, the cobrapost has "the tapes"... now leaving behind the words "tapes", which i doubt is the technology used today to snoop.. [something MSM must think.. they can't be continuing on this stupidity and behaving like illiterates forever], what i am questioning is this: amit shah is snooping on the girl from higher orders, and now the tapes confirm somebody else is snooping on amit shah to get "the tapes" made.

does is it take another "the tape of the tapes" to find the inner tape? why did cobrapost snoop on amit shah? did the pseudo-gandhis told them to do so? the tape hierarchy structure needs to be explained to public.. let us call it the tapestry project. :twisted:
There are no tapes. If they did exist, they would have been "leaked" by now. After all, imagine the confusion it would have created before the assembly elections. And think: if the assembly elections had turned against the BJP the CONgis would have gone to town claiming "We told you so! There is no Modi wave" and "We told you so. This man is a monster, a fascist ityadi"!

There's enough coverage on how the Sharma brothers have contradicted themselves in television interviews saying "Hai he nahi wise koi tape!" (in the context of why they were being "harassed" by the GJ Govt) and then saying "they got the clipping and shared it with friends"! On the one hand claiming to be friends of the girl's family and on the other outing information on such a "friend" that is likely to ruin their "friend's" reputation. As far as I am concerned, this is just an attempt at mud slinging with the hope that something sticks. See how the narrative turned from "Snoop-gate" to "Stalk-gate"? Again, my opinion is that this story isn't gaining any traction in as much as MSM has tried to flog it to life. A dead horse is a dead horse is a dead horse.

Over the next 6-7 months I expect many, many such stories to come out. None of them with factual information or evidence. Just a lot of mud being slung with the hope that something sticks. The fact that NaMo isn't evening giving these stories the time of day is pissing off this lot even more.
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KLP Dubey wrote:Vijay Jolly has made an ass of himself and the party by his actions in Dilli. I strongly urge the party to take following actions:

1) Act quickly and speak with a single voice condemning this vandalism
2) Suspend him for X years or expel him
3) Tell him to clean up the vandalized property
4) Make clear that the party will not stand in the way of any police cases filed by the victim
5) Mr. Modi should announce these actions during his next 4 rallies in Dilli this weekend

I urge Mr Modi to once again turn adversity into a display of his fine leadership of the party and (soon) the nation of Bharat.

Thanking you,

Regards etc,

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SaiK wrote:on the snoop trail, the cobrapost has "the tapes"... now leaving behind the words "tapes", which i doubt is the technology used today to snoop.. [something MSM must think.. they can't be continuing on this stupidity and behaving like illiterates forever], what i am questioning is this: amit shah is snooping on the girl from higher orders, and now the tapes confirm somebody else is snooping on amit shah to get "the tapes" made.

does is it take another "the tape of the tapes" to find the inner tape? why did cobrapost snoop on amit shah? did the pseudo-gandhis told them to do so? the tape hierarchy structure needs to be explained to public.. let us call it the tapestry project. :) shahzadi-saadi me kuch kala hai.
Saik ji you are absolutely bang on. 8) This dupe-gate is actually a catch-22 gate. Questioning the snooping of some Indian citizen based on some tapes which are in turn a snoop on another Indian citizen. :lol: The real question is by whose order. CONgress are in a fix over this because if they stretch this further they will find themselves in dock when questions will arise as to who ordered snooping on Amit Shah.

And if somehow it comes out that central CONgress govt was behind it, then after 10 years of snooping on Gujarat Government this is the best they had to offer: Dupe-gate :rotfl:
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Problem with Jolly Actions are:

(1) Timing
(2) Target Audience

The fire of #Tehelka was not out of fuel. In fact BJP should drag it on for as long as possible. Jolly gave the media an excuse to make a martyr out of Soma. Very poor media management.

This is 3-4 days before the Delhi elections. An election where AAP-Trojan has ensured that a sure-shot BJP victory is in doubt. When BJP star was rising and the swing voters were going towards them, this kind of action will hurt electorally. Remember that the swing voter is not a core supporter. He is relatively apolitical and a person who is affected the most by what he or she hears in MSM. This action allowed the MSM to affect them since they can now label BJP as vandal, hooligan or what not.....

If the noise about the #Tehelka case had died down, this tamasha would have helped. Right now it was completely not needed.
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milindc wrote:Yes, BJP needs to fire all the lumpen party workers who actually are out of the streets protesting/holding dharnas, and recruit the armchair workers on @twitter and internet forums
Jolly is not just a "party worker". He is a former MLA.

Second, holding protests and dharnas are peaceful and lawful democratic activities. Defacing private property, no matter how despicable a character the owner of the property may be, is not. This sort of activity is what the commies and samajwadi party are known for.

There are cases in which even demolition of unauthorized structures is absolutely called for, e.g. the demolition by BJP of the illegal construction erected by vandals next to the temple in Ayodhya in 1990s, and (pending) construction of a proper temple. This temple still remains to be built and consecrated as soon as possible and the Vedas should reverberate in all corners of the area. Mr. Amit Shah has promised attention to this pending task.

The present issue is not one of these cases. It is "sadak-chhaap" stuff. Jolly needs more than a slap on the wrist.

My last post on the topic. Hoping for appropriate action through proper channels.

Thanking you,

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Dubey ji this Jolly fella belongs to the category of Paisa Fek Tamasha Dekh
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modi should announce that he has launched a massive snoop-hunt on people he considers are snooping him!! he he he.. check out the MSM activities, and that will return a pattern full of signatures of pseudo-gandhis and their setup. snoop-counter-snoop going to be the next generation of indian politics. i like it, because this is one way to get to corruption tracking faster. the better snooper, with better technology will be the winner.
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looks pretty silly on both Mr Jolly actions and the people opposing his actions.

Looks very vehement opposition to his actions by some bhakths of BJP and the elites. This vehemence not seen for Shomless choudahry and tarun tejpal.

if as said by some elites like madhu kishwar tavleen singh andMinhaz merchannt and some others , that BJp will lose the elkections- then it is bettre they lose -- not because of one Mr Jolly but stupidity of the electorate to give congis another chance based on this one action. maybe the elctorate are the elites wanting to get some excuse not to vote BJP anyways.

overall when many acts like this have been made by the same elites and congis-supportres -- have ben branded in very nice terms- but this act which was more of a grievnacee and personal feeling due to her being escaping the law when she was an accessroy to the crime-- speaks volumes of the shallowness of the elites.
down with them.

Many common Indians feel powerless when elites do this-- one way of feeling good at least personally of doing something to the upmarket criminal is these type of incidents.

This is not vigilante blah blah BS spewed which is extreme form- unthinkable for now. mind you these folks are not Naxalites or commies or congis friends to do this.
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Cyber supari: Pay an online fixer, demolish a reputation
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech ... 544921.cms
clever strategy by cobrapost.. trying to CYA, by projecting the bad people.. i am sure they are contemplating on modi's attack team cornering them soon.

q: why would not cobrapost themselves be part of these scums? huh.. i'd send a snoop team on cobrapost on 24x7 basis.

i think, the counter-snoop team is getting energized, and the reason we are seeing cobrapost coming out with these sting craps... like they say, giving haath to their own people.. it is going to bite them back, as they should be part of a larger corruption, bribery, goonda rowdy system. i'm not seeing more than 6 months life for cobrapost under this gang setup.

when dogs fight between themselves, they will perish by biting each other.
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Red Fort to be backdrop for Modi rally tomorrow
During Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) PM candidate Narendra Modi's speech in Chhattisgarh's Ambikapur, a replica of Red Fort was erected behind the stage.

The BJP wanted to convey that Modi would become the Prime Minister next year and deliver a speech from Red Fort.

The party's Delhi unit has gone one step further by organising a Modi rally near Red Fort. The speech near Red Fort will be one of three delivered by Modi in the capital on Saturday. "We do not want Congress to create any hurdle for us at the last moment. So, we do not publicise them (Modi's rallies)," a BJP state office-bearer said.

Delhi BJP has been counting on Modi's image to win the Assembly elections. Many candidates and senior leaders have been demanding votes in the name of Modi. BJP leaders believe that Modi's presence in the last lap of campaigning could be a game-changer.

On Saturday, Modi's rallies are scheduled to be held at CDR Park in Shahdara, Sultanpur Majra and Parade Ground in Chandni Chowk.

Modi is expected to address a rally at Ambedkar Nagar on Sunday.
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The sheer quality of yogi yadav's suarveys baffle the posteriority.... bosted sans kament only...
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I can picture Yogendra Yadav late at night with a glass of scotch on the rocks typing away. Not a care in the world. Doesn't even name the opinion poll. I think these guys can't take writing this bullsh*t anymore. There is only so much incentive that money can provide.

http://www.indiatribune.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=488
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SaiK wrote:
Cyber supari: Pay an online fixer, demolish a reputation
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech ... 544921.cms
clever strategy by cobrapost.. trying to CYA, by projecting the bad people.. i am sure they are contemplating on modi's attack team cornering them soon.

q: why would not cobrapost themselves be part of these scums? huh.. i'd send a snoop team on cobrapost on 24x7 basis.

i think, the counter-snoop team is getting energized, and the reason we are seeing cobrapost coming out with these sting craps... like they say, giving haath to their own people.. it is going to bite them back, as they should be part of a larger corruption, bribery, goonda rowdy system. i'm not seeing more than 6 months life for cobrapost under this gang setup.

when dogs fight between themselves, they will perish by biting each other.
Looks like with TT on the run, they won't get any headlines any more. Bad day for ITALIANMAFIA and their agents
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OTOH, the scumbag Rajdeep trying his best to put Modi and Kujliwal on the same platform to dent BJP votes before Delhi election. The #PAIDMEDIA won't give it up. I hope Modiji remembers every one of these scoundrels are make them pay


The uncanny similarities between Modi and Kejriwal
It is unlikely that the ideologically contrasting Kejriwal and Modi will ever break bread, but both have one thing in common: both are ‘gatecrashers’ in a status quoist political system. Both, in different ways, claim to be change agents to be ‘feared’ by the incumbent government.
In a recent CNN-IBN survey done by CSDS, more than half of those who preferred Kejriwal for Delhi chief ministership, opted for Narendra Modi to be their prime ministerial choice. In particular, the young and the restless – the 18 to 25 age group which appears to have been drawn to Modi’s machismo – liked Kejriwal’s ánti-establishment’ image too. Almost a bit like the youthful attraction for the Salim-Javed ‘angry’ heroes of the 1970s. Listen to their high pitched rhetoric in speeches. Modi speaks of being the son of a tea shop owner who wants to take on the ‘Shehzada’; Kejriwal talks of being the ‘aam admi’ representative who will ‘sweep away’ brashtachar with his jhadoo. Both essentially claim to have a similar enemy: the Lutyens elite of Delhi which has ruled the country for much of the last sixty years. Both are looking to position themselves as the outsiders who are not members of any cosy club of privilege. The attraction of such ‘outsiders’ is obvious. Over the last several years, there has been a growing, legitimate anger against the VIP ‘khaas admi’ culture. The ‘lal batti’ of a government car in particular has come to symbolise a decrepit ruling class which is seen to be distant from real India. Moreover, the VIP culture is seen to represent an unequal state in which some are more privileged than others. By repeatedly questioning the prevailing political order, both Kejriwal and Modi have tried to create the basis for a new form of ‘us’ versus ‘them’ anti establishment politics.
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http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rae-b ... 56897.html

Rae Bareli: Even in Gandhi bastion, poor eye Narendra Modi’s vows
If Sonia Gandhi and her Congress party need evidence that their policies of subsidies and safety nets for India’s poor may no longer be enough to keep their support, they need look no further than her own constituency of Rae Bareli.

In the family borough in the northern heartland, which has been loyal to India’s most powerful dynasty from the days of first Prime Minister Jawaharal Nehru, voters want electricity, hospitals and roads, more than the cheap food on offer. Such a change of heart threatens to upend the Congress party’s central calculation to win next year’s election: that poor rural voters who make up the backbone of support will stay loyal because of the big welfare programmes it promotes, including a flagship $21 billion food subsidy scheme.

Rahul doesn’t think UPA 2 has done anything wrong: PTI Instead, even in such a bastion of Congress support as Rae Bareli district, opposition leader Narendra Modi‘s message of growth and investment is gaining ground, despite critics’ misgivings about his hardline Hindu nationalist roots and a perceived bias against the nation’s minority Muslims.

“We don’t need subsidised food … It’s a donation and we don’t want that charity,” said Arjun Rewal, :rotfl: a farmer in the Rae Bareli hamlet of Shivgarh in the centre of India’s most populous state of Uttar Pradesh.

“We need hospitals with doctors, we need roads, we need electricity supply and we need someone who can tackle inflation,” the 52-year-old said, emphasising his point with a stab of his earth-brown finger.

Rewal and the farmers with him, who meet one evening a week in the grounds of an old palace, see Modi as the person who can deliver. “In this area, for the first time, people are talking about another political leader and that is Narendra Modi,” he said. Modi has promised quick reforms and an end to a prolonged period of policy paralysis, pointing to the double-digit pace of expansion in the western state of Gujarat that he has governed for three terms.
With inflation outpacing agricultural growth for nearly a decade, many villagers have seen benefits eroded. In addition, demand is rising for pulses, dairy products and vegetables, which are not subsidised. In neighbouring Barabanki district, the mood is similar as residents of Thalwara village gather on a circle of plastic chairs on a dusty patch of ground to air their views. “Governments sitting in New Delhi or state capitals like Lucknow don’t know the ground reality and make policies that don’t help the poor,” said Jaibaksh Singh, a farmer and former head of the village. The expectations of rural voters changed with the arrival of television and later mobile phones, together with a demographic shift that means 65 percent of the population are less than 35 years old, said Rural Development Minister Jairam Ramesh. “We can no longer go to the voters and say ‘look, we built this road for you, now vote for us’. Today most people expect you to build that road. They don’t think that we are doing them a favour by building that road,” said Ramesh, one of the Congress party’s most outspoken leaders.
Critics say nearly half the rice and wheat set aside for the handouts is siphoned off by corrupt officials and never reaches the people it is meant to help.

In BJP-ruled Chhattisgarh, the state government has tightened up on distribution and cut wastage dramatically.

“People have not gained from programmes like NREGA due to corruption. The same holds true for rice and wheat sale,” said Singh in Thalwara. “The perception is gaining ground that the BJP will win and it will tackle corruption.” Last week, Modi spoke at a rally of about 100,000 people in Agra, home of the famed Taj Mahal, and more than 400 km (250 miles) from Rae Bareli. “If he becomes prime minister this country will be transformed. He talks only about development,” said Rajan Singh Rawat, a 60-year-old farmer who listened to Modi in the crowd in Agra and has switched support to the BJP from one of the state’s big local parties.
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Congress Mob attack woman cop still in shock!! this is not highlighted by MSM; because this happened in Odisha; pic.twitter.com/q5w4Fpp8lz
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darshhan wrote:I am perfectly ok with what Vijay Jolly did. I am surprised why he apologized at all.
In India, the expectation is that even mass murder can be excused if it is followed by an apology. So best to apologize at the first sight of protest and move on with the agenda.

Think the Chief Justice of India should issue standing instructions to open special investigations into any case in which an apology is tendered.
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Hari Seldon wrote:The sheer quality of yogi yadav's suarveys baffle the posteriority.... bosted sans kament only...
I have seen and heard this idiot a few times on TV....and my gut reaction has always been that this guy is among the lowest IQ morons I have had the misfortune of hearing. Was amazed to discover later that he is apparently considered some kind of 'intellectual' hero of leftist MSM.
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BJP leader sends legal notice to Rahul

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/28/r ... 62696.html

What is becoming of the reverence accorded usually to the dynasty? BJP leaders have the gumption to send legal notice to Yuvaraj! What next? All this is the doing of that great rebel, Gabbar NaMo! Will the dynasty tolerate such impudence?
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Kapil Sibal getting it left and right from Ravi Shankar Prasad.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/28/b ... 62611.html
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krishnan wrote:
Congress Mob attack woman cop still in shock!! this is not highlighted by MSM; because this happened in Odisha; pic.twitter.com/q5w4Fpp8lz
Right-wing SM should use this as a counterpoint to Vijay Jolly. Use the Vijay Jolly opportunity to highlight this picture....Contrast Congress goons with BJP goons (Vijay Jolly) and let the public figure out who is higher on goondagiri.

Having said that, I don't condone Vijay Jolly's behavior. Stupid of him to provide an opening to the Dynasty.
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I think Yogendra is given a lot of 'bhaav' because he is an ahir who can speak passable english.The english mainstream media is heavily upper caste 'oriented' with significant numbers of christists and mohammedans,more christists than mohammedans.

This is a legacy of our education system,the influence of English and the importance of christist institutions which are favoured by Hindu elite for reasons of exclusivity and it is a fact historically muslime elite too were literate.OTOH Hindu OBCs and dalits are not comfortable in English in general,though this is chnging rapidly.The english mainstream media dominated by upper castes has no choice but to have the odd ahir or obc like kancha illiah for more 'even' reporting.When ones base is very narrow,theres no choice but to add all and sundry to give a sense of substance.

OTOH,this is also a challenge.Historically,Sanskrit was the elite language,but mass literacy was unknown.Today English is widely spoken and is the defacto language of comunication among educated classes.English has to be Indianised.It must become truly Indian.How? Its ultimately upto us-the users of the language-the commoner,the SDRe,the TFTA expert in science,engg,the language expert.Hindi/Sanskrit are non-starters as of today.

I will not frown on Yogendra Ahir.The Elangovans,Prashanth Gowdas,Jaipal Reddys,Sachin Gujar,Sushil Shindes,Prakash Badals,Kanshi Rams have to make a start.Even with low IQs,their voice is being heard in mainstream English media.In time,higher IQs with better powers of expression will find their voice too.
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that wimmon afsar has only bullet proof jacket, but where is her helmet? and by this time, that guy with bamboo wood should be jailed for murder/attempt to murder an afsar in uniform.
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Quite a way to end the year with DIE chatteratti being reduced to whimpers defending thier own on twitter.
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I don't think YY being ahir has anything to do with his ideology. I remember the grimace on his face when he was saying "BJP doesn't have a chance in UP" when talking about some opinion poll. His hatred was evident on his face.
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Whether we like it or not,Congress votebank in UP consisted of brahmins,to a lessser extent thakurs and banias,and muslims and dalits.The Janata Party/Lok Dal/SP/Lohites gave voice to jats,ahirs etc.

The socalled 'national media' in English cannot ignore the huge OBC population in Hindi speaking North India which is not comfortable with English and whose 'voice' has to be represented.Yogendra Ahir comes from this constituency.In time,BJP will find very able voices from these 'constituencies'.Infact,Yogendra Ahirs 'shelf life' is almost over.

Its upto the BJP to be an authentic voice of all Hindus of UP-Brahmins,Thakurs,jats,ahirs,dalits.They have no choice but to go to the fundamentals of Sanatana Dharma.Rajnath Singh is hardly a leader,one has to admit.He is piggybacking on Modi,which is atleast better than backstabbing modi.But hardly great progress when one looks at the challenges ahead.
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Rahul Mehta wrote: Thanks for reading by FB posts !! :) :mrgreen: . I am glad that people do read my FB posts !!
Your FB posts are being used by anti national news papers!
Rahul Mehta wrote: I voted for 490 i.e. "none of the above".
Thanks for clarifying.
Rahul Mehta wrote: We also started FB campaign requesting all voters to order their MPs via SMS to make NaMo PM on very same day, without waiting for may-2014.
If ever I warm up to this strange idea of sending SMS to make NM - who is merely a CM of an opposition party which doesn't even have numbers in parliament as of now - the PM, I will not send the SMS in favor of NM who is 2% as corrupt as MMS (which is still a huge amount of corruption which you cannot prove) and is a MNC agent. I will send SMS to order my MP to make Rahul Mehta the PM of India.

I respect your intents and conviction for the cause though. I don't invest even 1% of my time for society and country as compared to you but still I would like to give you my 2 bit suggestion. If you really want to see your reforms in law to realize, please post it to bjpelectionmanifesto.com and also ask your team to do the same. It will be more effective than hundreds and thousands of SMSs to idiot MPs.
KLP Dubey wrote:Vijay Jolly has made an ass of himself and the party by his actions in Dilli. I strongly urge the party to take following actions:
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He had been denied the ticket in assembly election which explains his action. Also, it is important to note that he did this at shoma's house who is lesser criminal in this episode giving media ample chance to tarnish bjp's image. Had he done that on tejpal's house media wouldn't even report it.
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the so called 'sting' on social media is just trying to create a case for stern govt controls on the internet and social media - two things which are beyond the hooks of the dynasty and hence open to purveying the real truth. the idea would be discredit them, show them as sinister like 'saheb' :rotfl: and make a case saying why would you not want curbs on these people and instead get the news fair n balanced from old school outlets of 'impeccable credentials' like TOI and cobrapost :)
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imo jolly did far less than what a usual 'protest' does in india which is throwing stones, breaking a few barricades, burning/looting a few shops , beating any police they can isolate......applying a coat of black paint on her driveway and nameplate. yawn.

these dilli billis need to be shocked out of their AC comfort zone and invitation-only clubs and single malts and feel the anger at street level at the numerous things that are wrong in this nation for the common man.
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The problem is not with what jolly did. The problem is with his motives. Everything looked pre-planned to provide media a stick to beat bjp. Again the point is, why he went to shoma's house and not tejpal's?

And no, modi has nothing to do with this and should keep away from this entire episode of tehalka. He doesn't have to speak about everything happening around. There are other leaders too. In any case, jolly was denied the ticket which tells us that he is not in bjp leadership's good book.
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