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nageshks wrote:6 Cong MPs initiate no confidence motion against their own government.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/52862 ... hra-mp.htm

I am not so concerned if this government, which is in the last three months of its existence, survives the no-confidence motion or not. What is a lot more interesting is what the Congress plans to do against these members. Undavalli Arun Kumar, Sai Pratap Reddy, Lagadapati Rajagopal, Rayapati Sambashiva Rao, Sabbam Hari, and G V Harsha Kumar have all openly raised the banner of revolt. Does this mean that they are going to be disqualified from the Lok Sabha under the anti-defections rule? Or will they have to vote against the government actually for the anti-defections provisions to trigger?
Lagadapati Rajgopal predicted the UPA-2 fall in December. He is loud mouth and hence we cannot go by his talk. however all his election predictions came on dot including the impressive performance of AAP. He also talked of a brahmastram in the end if everything fails.

Here are two scenarios:
(1) KKR is part of Mafia and he is orchestrating anti-Sonia stuff with her blessings:
(a) Pranab Da send the bill to Assembly and assembly has 60 days to introduce. President can take upto 14 days and five days already passed.
(b) As KKR has all the rights because the previous assembly was prorogued, he can take his sweet time of all 60 days without introducing this bill. However, if he defeats the bill immediately by introducing it then he played into the hands of Sonia. She can follow the procedure and get it passed in Parl following the presidential assent.
(c) That will create two states by Feb.

(2) KKR is genuinely doing a united AP stuff:
(a) Pranab Da sends the bill to Assembly and assembly has 60 days to introduce. President can take upto 14 days and five days already passed. He sends on the 14th day (Pranab Da is bound by constitution and not what he likes and dislikes though he has his own room to maneuver)
(b) As KKR has all the rights because the previous assembly was prorogued, he can take his sweet time of all 60 days without introducing this bill. He will not even introduce and he will ensure that it is not introduced.
(c) Pranab Da cannot assent as Parl passage has no meaning because of non-introduction in AP assembly.

Meanwhile all the top-multi billionaire MPs of SA congress are bringing in embarrassment to INC by means of no-confidence motions etc. The UPA is already in vegetative state and it will depend on how much more they can take. If in their calculations granting T is a do-or-die situation they will do. Otherwise they can try a martyr in Telangana.

As a Martyr in T, INC will lose massively to TRS and TDP+BJP. On the SA side the battleline are final and it will be between TDP and Jagan. The INC deserters will have to play ball with BJP and get BJP a foot hold via TDP.

The state is totally flux.
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Is KKR another AAP version?
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ramana wrote:Is KKR another AAP version?
Operationally yes but ideologically no. Let us judge in about few days as we will see the results from actions flowing out.
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Muppalla wrote: (2) KKR is genuinely doing a united AP stuff:
(a) Pranab Da sends the bill to Assembly and assembly has 60 days to introduce. President can take upto 14 days and five days already passed. He sends on the 14th day (Pranab Da is bound by constitution and not what he likes and dislikes though he has his own room to maneuver)
(b) As KKR has all the rights because the previous assembly was prorogued, he can take his sweet time of all 60 days without introducing this bill. He will not even introduce and he will ensure that it is not introduced.
(c) Pranab Da cannot assent as Parl passage has no meaning because of non-introduction in AP assembly.
The bill is so vague, it can be bounced between President and CM multiple times asking for clarifications. President himself sent back to cabinet apparently for rewriting some sections of the bill. It may have to wet some time there before he can send to CM. By the time, AP assembly is over and CM can prorogue it again to control Assembly for next time which can be deferred for another 6 months.

First and foremost, it doesn't address 371D. Since employees and students protested CM can ask how that can be amended before the split. 371D rights are for entire AP.

Second, Capital, water, etc issues are not resolved. CM can ask clarifications on those.

The way I see it CM can stop the bill till elections are announced. AP elections sure will be messy in any scenario in 2014.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0dVxD9XV0s

Jairam Ramesh's Behavior in Parl today during SA MP's protest.
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Article 3: How Andhra Politicians 'Helped' in Its Transformation-By Gautam Pingle - HYDERABAD - Published: 09th December 2013
Some Seemandhra leaders have been going round the country advocating an amendment to Article 3 which empowers Parliament and the Union of India to change the borders and names of its constituent states. The Supreme Court in Keshavananda Bharthi case held that not even a Constitutional amendment could stand if it were to affect the basic structure of the Constitution of which Article 3 is a part.

Be that as it may, Article 3, so convincingly argued and drafted by Dr Ambedkar, did not quite consider or anticipate the ingenuity of Andhra leaders.


Originally, the relevant part of the Proviso to Article 3, drafted by Ambedkar and enacted by the Constituent Assembly, read thus:

“The views of the Legislature of the State or, as the case may be, of each of the States, both with respect to the proposal to introduce the Bill and with respect to the provisions thereof, have been ascertained by the President.”


So, according to this Proviso to Article 3, the Assembly could express its views on the very idea of the Bill as well as on its provisions. When the Andhra State Bill was referred by the President to the Madras Assembly, things did not quite work out as they were expected to.

On July 14, 1953, the Chief Minister of Madras State, Rajagopalachari, moved a motion:

“That this House recommends that the Andhra State Bill, 1953, be introduced in Parliament.”

On this motion, the general principles of the Bill were discussed for three days, in which 57 members took part. On July 16, 1953, the motion was carried without any dissenting voice. On July 17, 1953, the Chief Minster moved: “That the proposed Andhra State Bill, 1953, be taken into consideration.”

As many as 280 amendments to the various clauses of the Bill were tabled by the members! The amendments in respect of each clause were moved formally and there was a discussion on the clause as well as the amendments to the clause. The amendments were then put to vote one by one!


The clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill lasted for 10 days. On the last day of the consideration, on July 27, 1953, one Andhra member moved an amendment that the amount to be paid by the new state be reduced by `230.40 lakh in order to compensate the Andhra State for its relatively smaller share of buildings. After some discussion, the Speaker allowed the amendment to be discussed and thereupon all the Andhra members, a large number of the United Democratic Front members and Praja Socialists walked out. Afterwards, this amendment as well as the other amendments and resolutions left over were discussed and voted upon.

The Chief Minister then moved: “That the proposed Andhra State Bill, 1953, having been considered fully and approved, this House is of the view that the Bill should be amended on the lines indicated in the opinions and resolutions approved by the House.” This motion was carried after 13 days of discussion!

Given all this type of useless, time consuming and playing-to-the-electoral gallery by the Andhra members who should have gracefully accepted the State they so long agitated for, the Government of India decided to remedy the issue and avoid future such issues.

On December 24, 1955, Parliament passed the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution which changed the part of the Proviso to Article 3 which now read instead thus:

“The Bill has been referred by the President to the Legislature of that State for expressing its views thereon within such period as may be specified in the reference or within such further period as the President may allow and the period so specified or allowed has expired.”


Thus, what was changed radically is the phrase “the views of the legislature” to “expressing the views of the legislature”. While this may not seem too different to a layman, it means basically that a resolution (the only way the views of the legislature can be ascertained) is substituted by expression of a number of views (obviously views of those legislators who want to express to them).

Secondly, and more importantly, the phrase “with respect to the proposal to introduce the Bill” was deleted altogether and now it would not give the Legislature scope to oppose the very idea motivating the Bill.


Thirdly, and crucially, it added the phrase “within such period as may be specified in the reference or within such further period as the President may allow and the period so specified or allowed has expired”. By doing this, it set a time limit and disallowed the possibility of the legislature ignoring the Bill by not considering it altogether or taking endless time to discuss it.

When the States Reorganization Bill, 1956, came to the Madras Legislative Assembly for expressing its views, the discussion on the Bill commenced on March 28, 1956, and ended four days later.

One wonders how much time the Andhra Assembly took to discuss merger with Telangana in 1956!

Anyway, the Andhra legislators of the Madras Assembly were responsible for showing up (by exploiting) the weakness in the original Article 3, so carefully crafted by Ambedkar after considerable debate in the Constituent Assembly. Is it possible that the Seemandhra politicians are looking for more innovative methods of stalling the Telangana Bill when it comes to the Assembly “expressing their views”? Time will tell.
Whatever it is guys the jewish Andhras are always bad :)
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No Confidence motion requires strength of 10% of Lok Sabha: 55 MPs. 13-14 MPs not sufficient.
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RajeshA wrote:No Confidence motion requires strength of 10% of Lok Sabha: 55 MPs. 13-14 MPs not sufficient.
Interesting. So - it is a lot of posturing by SeemaAndhra Congress MPs? Wonder how deep the Congoon game is.

BJP should now portray the Congress as turning the SA and T people on each other, playing obnoxious games for its own perverse pleasure and profit. It is just a lot of hot air from both the Centre and the State Congressmen. It turns KCR on SA people, it turns Jagan on T people. While people are fighting and dying, under the cover of these battles, Congress makes off with the loot.
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Support no confidence and see what happence.mafia plans of communal bill all will be defeated with time-consuming no confidence motion.
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It's Telangana Time for Sonia But Don't Hurry, Says President
In fact, reports suggest Congress president Sonia Gandhi had made an attempt to push through the bill by suggesting to President Pranab Mukherjee that 10 to 15 days would be enough for the Assembly debate but the latter reportedly politely declined.
BJP in limbo over alliance with TDP
Responding to the results of the assembly elections, Naidu, in a press conference said, "We welcome the results as it is the death knell for the Congress which is the symbol of corruption and misrule. The results are also a mandate for the good governance and pro-development. And it shows that the people have taken Narendra Modi as an alternate force to defeat the corrupt Congress."

While analysts saw Naidu's statement as a clear sign of aligning with BJP, senior TDP legislator Muddu Krishnama Naidu endorsed the idea of going with the saffron party. "The talks are on with BJP and I think the alliance is essential to stop the corrupt political parties such as Congress and YSR Congress in Andhra Pradesh," he said.

He said it was important for the BJP to align with the TDP as he felt it could get good number of Lok Sabha seats from the state which sends 42 MPs to Parliament. "Otherwise it might well draw blank in the state," he added.
"We are suggesting our national leadership to consider the idea of joining hands with the TDP because it is important for us to protest the interest of the people of Seemandhra and address their concerns arising out the division of the state," said K Hari Babu, a former BJP MLA and supporter of Samaikyandhra.

Admitting to the ambivalent situation, the BJP state president G Kishan Reddy said his party would solve the riddle once there is clarity on the bifurcation issue. He said his party was also toying with the idea of splitting the state unit into Seemandhra BJP and Telangana BJP so that they can devise poll strategy including electoral alliance independently.

"If the TDP wants an alliance with us, it is not a bad idea. But, we cannot decide on it until we get clarity on what the Centre would do on the formation of Telangana. There are saying the Telangana Bill would come to the state assembly sometime next week. Let the Bill be passed in both assembly and Parliament and then we will sit and decide on our electoral strategy," said Kishan Reddy.
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Pranab seeks legal opinion on Telangana bill
Before leaving for South Africa on Monday to attend a memorial service for Nelson Mandela, President Pranab Mukherjee is believed to have sought a legal opinion on the draft reorganisation bill ahead of dispatching it to the Andhra Pradesh Assembly to seek the House’s view on carving out a Telangana state.

Government sources said the President, who goes by the rules, has sought a legal opinion from the Union Law Ministry on the time the Andhra Pradesh legislature can be given to offer their opinion, either for or against the creation of Telangana, as mandated by Article 3 of the Constitution. Government officials said that though it is the prerogative of the President to set a time-frame for the Assembly to execute the reference on the reorganisation bill, Mukherjee does not want to leave any possible scope for political parties to point fingers on this emotive issue.


Given the divergent opinions, it is also believed that the President has sought opinion on the application of Article 371-D for both residual and successor states to ensure equitable opportunities for education and public employment.

This special provision was only meant for Andhra Pradesh but now the government has inserted it in the draft legislation to extend it to the proposed Telangana as well despite the fact that Attorney General G E Vahanvati in its earlier opinion to United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government had suggested against giving Article 371-D status to proposed new state.


Meanwhile, even as Seemandhra districts are simmering with anger over bifurcation and celebrating UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi’s birthday on Monday as “Betrayal Day,” the AP Assembly is bracing for the worst-ever session since its inception as the draft bill on the reorganisation of the state will be taken for discussion during the proceedings.

The president may send the bill to the Assembly any day after Tuesday and ask the House to return it with comments in a prescribed time.

The winter session of the Andhra Pradesh Legislative Assembly and the council will meet in Hyderabad from Thursday as per the decision taken by the state cabinet last week.

The decision was taken before the Union cabinet at its meeting on December 5 approved the draft Andhra Pradesh Reorganisation Bill, 2013.
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My blog post: Sonia’s Plan for Andhra Pradesh

What Sonia Gandhi has specialized in is to have an open plan which foresees electoral gains for Congress. Then she lets a couple of conspiracy theories float around to confuse the others, often which shows she may not have everything under control and may have bungled on an issue. Often it looks like her weakest point, and should the opposition jump at it, the opposition could find that they have walked into a trap, and she had all the strings in her hand all the time. Giving out confusing signals is deliberate to confuse the others, and is not a sign of own confusion.

This is what is happening in Andhra Pradesh.

So how has she set up the battlefield in Andhra? Basically it is in a way she simply cannot lose in Andhra Pradesh.

Outwardly it looks like as if in order to preempt Narendra Modi’s declaration of BJP’s support in favor of Telangana in his Hyderabad rally on August 11, 2013, Congress Working Committee unanimously passed a resolution on July 30, 2013 itself recommending the formation of a separate Telangana state. Telangana Movement rejoiced and it seemed Congress had played a masterstroke. It looked as if Congress’s majority in AP Assembly would fall behind Sonia and back the plan despite the discontentment.

However soon Andhra started burning and enraged people from SeemaAndhra started stripping down all memorials to the Nehru-Gandhi family. It looked as if Sonia had miscalculated the anger in SeemaAndhra. But as the protests increased Congressmen from AP started distancing themselves from the position of Central leadership. What is obvious is that the passions in SeemaAndhra for a United Andhra, Samaikyandhra, have been fueled to a full-scale wild fire. The government there also did not seem interested in calming the situation. And apparently the whole Congress leadership in SeemaAndhra are up in arms against Central leadership.

In this mix, Congress let Jagan Mohan Reddy out of jail, who was given a hero’s welcome by the media and people and he took up the cause of United Andhra. People suspect that Congress had a deal with him. Jagan has done good work in bolstering his credentials as one opposed to Congress and their plans to bifurcated Andhra Pradesh. He has been moving around the country, meeting various political leaders of different political parties, to gather support so that the Telangana Bill can be defeated in Parliament.

Even Kiran Kumar Reddy, the CM of Andhra Pradesh, has strongly come out in favor of keeping Andhra Pradesh united, and he plans to use his position as the CM to try to defeat Telangana through various means of sitting on the Bill sent to him by the President and not introducing it in the assembly as long as possible.

In all this passionate politics, both BJP and TDP are lost what to do. BJP favors Telangana but should it be created, Congress and TRS would get all the credit, and BJP would go out empty in the forthcoming elections. Should BJP now seeing the weakened position of Congress in SeemaAndhra decide to jump to the Samaikyandhra position, away from its Telangana position, it risks walking into a trap. Some SeemaAndhra Congressmen have tempted BJP into changing their position promising to join BJP should they do it. This high decibel high passion politics of Andhra Pradesh is not something BJP was ready for.

TDP on the other hand is in itself in a fix and doesn’t know how to respond to raised passions, as it has interests on both sides and have shown some sympathy for Telangana in the past, so it cannot really compete with the clear line of YSRCP and Jagan. Nor does TDP have much strength in either the assembly or Lok Sabha to be in a position to control the politics of the issue.

What people fail to understand is why Sonia really went for this high risk move on Telangana! Do the 17 MPs from Telangana mean so much to Congress, which too it would have to share with TRS, that it is ready to forsake its standing in a region which gave it 19 MPs out of 25?

One cannot understand Sonia’s politics unless one accepts that it is all part of Sonia’s retirement plan and that involves cannibalizing her own Congress party!

Sonia’s plan for Andhra Pradesh is impervious to the outcome of Telangana Bill. It doesn’t matter if Telangana is formed or not. She has ensured that she wins regardless of all that.

Since the time that Sonia came down in favor of Telangana on July 30, 2013 till the next elections or till the Telangana Bill is being processed, Sonia’s profile is being raised in Telangana as the region’s protector deity and temples are being built for her. So as long as Congress can show that it does and did everything possible to give Telangana statehood, Sonia would continue to be revered and Congress would get a good showing. If Telangana Bill fails to pass, may be she may not get the same number of seats from Telangana, but it would still be a good showing.

In SeemaAndhra on the other hand, Sonia has caused an implosion of Congress, but helped to create two new satraps – Jagan Mohan Reddy of YSRCP and Kiran Kumar Reddy, both personally bound to her, Jagan over the Christianist allegiance in addition. Both would come out looking like heroes – Jagan who fought out of power on the streets, and KKR who fought in the assembly. Kiran Kumar Reddy has as yet not left Congress officially but it is only a matter of time. His opposition to Central leadership is one hell of a political acting. The two outfits would see to it that all the Congress leaders who became abhorred due to their connection with Congress get new homes and are rehabilitated with full respect as heroes who did their best to stop the bifurcation.

If Telangana Bill fails as Kiran Kumar Reddy succeeds in stalling it in Assembly, then he would indeed be a hero, and he would get an electoral reward. If Telangana passes, he may still be acknowledged for trying his best but may not get so many votes. In that case the votes would go to Jagan. But the idea is that anti-Telangana votes in SeemaAndhra are divided up between the two – Jagan and KKR. TDP should not get that much.

For BJP noteworthy is that all the Congress SeemaAndhra MPs who are seen protesting against the bifurcation in Indian Parliament, they are either doing only theatrics knowing what the game-plan of Sonia is or they are being told by other handlers what to do, but they themselves don’t know about the game-plan. Either way these MPs are directly under the influence of Sonia Gandhi or under the influence of handlers who are pledged to Sonia Gandhi. It is dangerous for BJP to get tempted by these MPs seeking support for Samaikyandhra.

The beauty of Sonia’s plan is that regardless of whether some Andhra MP or MLA is in favor of Telangana or vociferously against bifurcation, whether some MP or MLA worships Sonia Gandhi or hates her for her recklessness in AP, each and every MP is playing to her tune, because she controls both side of the bifurcation debate and interests. The beauty of Sonia’s plan is that she has stoked the bifurcation debate to such an intensity and heat, that she has pushed BJP and TDP to the margins of this debate.

When the dust settles, regardless of how Telangana Bill goes, Sonia would be fully in control even though Congress would be destroyed in SeemaAndhra. Telangana Congress, YSRCP and KKR Congress would all be directly pledged to Sonia, even though in the case of YSRCP and KKR Congress she would remain the invisible hand. Only in Telangana would she be a prominent and popular face.

This is exactly how she wants to retire and leave India, where she becomes the invisible face behind the power brokers. In fact her politics of divide and rule would pay her cause more handsomely in SeemaAndhra than in Telangana, even though most people in SeemaAndhra would be hating her completely.

Sonia is again using hate towards Congress in a region to drive a shift of the Congress political and financial networks as well as vote-banks in a controlled manner to two other political setups fully owned by her – YSRCP and KKR Congress. For this is she is using bifurcation as an issue. In Delhi she is doing the same thing using the issue of corruption to drive the votes to Aam Aadmi Party.

If there is any Christian missionary activity in India, then one should be fully aware that it is done in cooperation with Sonia Gandhi with her knowledge. This network is what she shares with the Christianist Jagan Mohan Reddy. Then there is a whole history of shared corruption which unites them. This is what provides the assurance. This is what binds the terms of ownership of YSRCP to Sonia Gandhi.

The important thing to remember is that Sonia Gandhi prefers to own disparate smaller regional outfits which she can control from the background rather than own a big bulky Congress party whose general she needs to play.

Even as Sonia Gandhi retires after Lok Sabha elections in 2014 to far away Italy, she is going to leave behind her lieutenants to look after her interests – Arvind Kejriwal, Ajit Jogi, Jagan Mohan Reddy, Kiran Kumar Reddy.

In the case of Andhra Pradesh, she has set up the field in such a manner that both BJP and TDP would suffocate or play a fringe role, shutting them out of the burning political issue. No matter if Telangana Bill passes or not, she retains full control.

If one is willing to embrace the thought that Sonia Gandhi has no compunctions in cannibalizing Congress to feed her new hounds, then her plans are quite understandable. Sonia Gandhi’s interests and those of Congress are not the same.

It is for BJP and TDP to think of ways to break this Chakravyuh! The best strategy is to lay this plan of divide and rule open to the people, to expose it. BJP and TDP should expose Jagan Mohan Reddy and Kiran Kumar Reddy for what they are: as Sonia’s loyalists.

And somebody please give Jagan Mohan Reddy and Kiran Kumar Reddy best actor awards!

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RajeshA wrote:My blog post: Sonia’s Plan for Andhra Pradesh
Great post!

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Now another trap laid down in Parliament through No-confidence motion. Apparently Seemandhra MPs are claiming they have numbers. If BJP proceeds, they can cause government fall assuming no horse-trading from INC, which they may not do given elections are anyway coming. Instead of falling for that, BJP introduced it own no-confidence motion on Speaker. This is good tactic to embarrass Congress. All those that are doing no-Confidence motion on government can agree to it first. Once new speaker comes, no-confidence on government can be taken. No-confidence can be on BJP terms as long as every one aim is to make government fall. No-confidence motion is also good for Congress to secure guarantee minimum 12 seats in Telangana as they can say they fought tooth-and-nail.
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RajeshA ji that was great post. I will broadcast it to places.

ShyamSP garu, what you are saying is congress without giving T want to take a martyr role and cheat the T-folks.
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...No-confidence motion is also good for Congress to secure guarantee minimum 12 seats in Telangana as they can say they fought tooth-and-nail...
And lost both teeth and nails in the process.
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Muppalla wrote:RajeshA ji that was great post. I will broadcast it to places.

ShyamSP garu, what you are saying is congress without giving T want to take a martyr role and cheat the T-folks.
If T-bill passes they are victors and they found new home * (Last northern frontier Delhi kicked them out). They showed hurry in moving "projects" to Hyderabad to indicate it is their new home. If T-bill fails they are martyr and still secure the control of the area.

Only "secure" areas left are Kerala and some NE states
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Muppalla ji, ShyamSP ji,

thanks for the appreciation.

Once it leaks out that Sonia is cannibalizing the Congress, to feed its meat to her new hounds, people in SeemaAndhra would turn away from the hounds in AP and when the people in Telangana learn that Sonia did her Telangana Drama only to build up her hounds in SeemaAndhra, they too would turn away.
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Fat chance. It wont happen.
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Only "secure" areas left are Kerala and some NE states
Like strategic depth? Where do pakis stand on this - hound rabid dogs?
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Looks like the 6 Congress MPs from AP have struck at the Tirpurantaka moment

Looks like General Elections are sooner than later:

UPA seeks vote on account in January-Polls in lae march or early April

MMS sees the writing on the wall.
Congress Mukht Bharat maybe sooner than later.

NEW DELHI: The fractious 15th Lok Sabha, marked by UPA-opposition clashes over cases of corruption in high places like 2G, Commonwealth Games and Coalgate, will meet for the last time in mid or end-January to pass a vote on account, clearing the way for Lok Sabha elections by late March or early April.

Sources said the government is planning to take the vote on account next month, with January 13-17 being seen as a likely window. Polls can be held by late March or early April. The 2004 and 2009, elections were held between mid-April and mid-May.

The move to be done with the vote on account and set the stage for the next Lok Sabha polls comes in the backdrop of an increasingly dysfunctional Parliament and feverish lobbying for a no-trust motion submitted by six Congress MPs.

A sense of uncertainty and the perception that Congress's rout in four north Indian states has left the embattled Manmohan Singh government further enfeebled, encouraging the Seemandhra MPs to defy the party authority.

The assembly poll results rattled Congress and a review meeting on Monday saw functionaries point to high inflation — seen to be the Centre's failing — as an important reason for the debacle. Congress chief Sonia Gandhi is learnt to have agreed with the assessment

The no-confidence motion could not be taken up by Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar due to lack of order in the House, but it continued to be intensely discussed with political parties weighing the merits of supporting the motion
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While Trinamool Congress leader Mamata Banerjee ruled out supporting the no-confidence move, :mrgreen: Biju Janata Dal's 14 MPs will support the motion when the admission of the motion is considered.

As of now, the motion does not have the backing of 50 MPs that are required to rise in support when the Speaker seeks the opinion of the House and Congress managers are going all out to ensure that the move fizzles out.

While the motion has been submitted by Congress MPs, TDP leader N Chandrababu Naidu contacted Opposition leaders like Odisha chief minister Naveen Patnaik and West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee.

YSR Congress leader Jaganmohan Reddy also met several leaders, including Banerjee, to seek support for the no-trust motion submitted by Congress MPs from the non-Telangana region of Andhra Pradesh
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Banerjee told Reddy she did not see merit in a no-confidence motion as Congress would survive the vote with the support of outside allies like SP and BSP leaders Mulayam Singh Yadav and Mayawati who have always bailed out the UPA. :mrgreen:

Reddy did manage to get Yadav to submit an adjournment motion on Telangana on Tuesday but most leaders do not believe the SP chief will back a no-trust, particularly after the Muzaffarnagar riots.

Given reports of intense polarization on religious lines in western UP and BJP leader Narendra Modi's forays into Uttar Pradesh, the SP boss is unlikely to attract the charge that he weakened "secular forces" at the Centre. :rotfl:

But though the government is not considering curtailing the winter session, it seems clear that not much business is likely to be transacted going by current trends. The final session of the current Lok Sabha is likely to be convened ahead of the usual mid-February date so that elections can be called any time thereafter.

The 2009 Lok Sabha elections were held from April 16 to May 13 and the results were declared on May 16. In 2004, the results were declared on May 13 after elections were held from April 20 to May 10.

Government floor managers have so far been unable to persuade the Congress MPs who submitted the motion for a no-trust vote to withdraw their initiative. The MPs, driven by constituency concerns, have also been encouraged by the uncertainty and flux following the assembly polls.

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http://www.rediff.com/news/report/will- ... 131210.htm
Will no-trust motion against UPA govt be a nonstarter?
According to rules, any member can move a no-confidence motion in the Lok Sabha, but it must have the support of 50 members, which is determined through a head count on the floor of the House.

Despite claims made by the Seemandhra MPs, it does not appear that they have the numbers.

While the BJP will find it difficult to support the MPs because of its pro-Telangana stand, the response of other political parties has not been encouraging.

The Samajwadi Party has moved an adjournment on the Andhra Pradesh bifurcation issue while the Trinamool Congress, which has always been against the division of any state, has refused to back the MPs.
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vivek.rao wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/report/will- ... 131210.htm
Will no-trust motion against UPA govt be a nonstarter?
According to rules, any member can move a no-confidence motion in the Lok Sabha, but it must have the support of 50 members, which is determined through a head count on the floor of the House.

Despite claims made by the Seemandhra MPs, it does not appear that they have the numbers.

While the BJP will find it difficult to support the MPs because of its pro-Telangana stand, the response of other political parties has not been encouraging.

The Samajwadi Party has moved an adjournment on the Andhra Pradesh bifurcation issue while the Trinamool Congress, which has always been against the division of any state, has refused to back the MPs.
Come on! BJP should force it. They have to expose SP/BSP as allies of failed CONGis
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Well dichotomy of Mamta & TMC stand has been revealed.


No matter from TOIlet report the UPA wants to have early elections as this is quite revealing the fractures.

As to what it does to UPA decision on dividing AP who knows!
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ramana wrote:As to what it does to UPA decision on dividing AP who knows!
- Kiran Kumar Reddy would be able to claim credit for delaying the whole process till time ran out!
- Jagan Mohan Reddy would claim credit for raising awareness and support for a united AP.
- Telangana Congress would blame KKR and Jagan for sabotaging Sonia's plan to give Telangana statehood.

So Sonia retains indirect control over all the parties in AP.
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Shinde per Telegraph says they will divide the state even without the state Assy consent as they have the power.

Bugger doesn't seem to realize his GOM recommnedation to add two districts from Rayalseema was rejected and the Congress lost the mandate with 0-4 results.
Anybody else would have resigned.

But then he survives to wipe the DIEnasty feet.
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The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.
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RajeshA wrote:
ramana wrote:As to what it does to UPA decision on dividing AP who knows!
- Kiran Kumar Reddy would be able to claim credit for delaying the whole process till time ran out!
- Jagan Mohan Reddy would claim credit for raising awareness and support for a united AP.
- Telangana Congress would blame KKR and Jagan for sabotaging Sonia's plan to give Telangana statehood.

So Sonia retains indirect control over all the parties in AP.
Not will work. The only argument that gets traction is T-BJP, T-INC, TRS blaming TDP as the reason for not getting Telangana and on the seemandhra side Jagan and Congress blaming TDP as the single reason for division. Everything else will be hawa.
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ramana wrote:Shinde per Telegraph says they will divide the state even without the state Assy consent as they have the power.

Bugger doesn't seem to realize his GOM recommnedation to add two districts from Rayalseema was rejected and the Congress lost the mandate with 0-4 results.
Anybody else would have resigned.

But then he survives to wipe the DIEnasty feet.
This is the only way it is possible irrespective of BJP voting for or against.
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Political leaders who are with mafia were made to fight with Jagan for sometime by the queen. Then suddenly queen decided to released him and ditched her own chamcha leaders and increased public anger into unmanagable levels. What the chamcha leaders do? With 4 defeats all chamcha leaders suddenly got guts to revolt. People like Undavalli were close to mafia queen for decades and made to oppose Jagan even though he was very close to ysr. Similarly other MPs and MLAs who are with mafia for generations are not even allowed a listening time. Even hardcore Chamcha leaders have to revolt when there are attacks by public on their houses. That is what is happening. Mafia failing every where?

Why division ? Mafia doing why? No one is giving logical reason to me.
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Maybe the fear of YSR and his helicopter accident are related to it?
Under KKR all the YSR connected folks (govt, politcians, businessfolks etc) were hounded.
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something is happening in Vidarbha. it might have an effect on AP. Chattisgarh BJP victory will have its own ripple effect in AP. especially the tribal areas in Kosta and Telangana. BJP from now on will appear increasingly undecided on the bifurcation issue. they have an opening. and NO, it doesn't have anything to do with the traditional voters in Telangana or Kosta. they want to know how best to garner the "new" base: whether it is easier to manage the whole base in the existing AP state or easier after bifurcation? this is what they are gaming right now. once they decide, their thinking will become apparent. but for now, there seems to be some amount of vacillation on the issue.

look at how Kishan Reddy has been calibrating his statements over the past few weeks. he is a part of the decision. and he wants his name as a part of the team that built BJP in AP. he wants that to be his legacy. more than even separate-T, he wants that to be his legacy. he is an interesting guy.
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KKR revolt is unimaginable. Mafia can not have even a drama of this kind of revolt in public. Why then the revolt is happening. The mafia queen is becoming weak day by day. She can not ensure political benefits, power etc. She can not make u win. So why cham cha gang worship her?

POWER IS THERE WHERE PEOPLE THINK THERE IS POWER. WHEN PEOPLE THINK THERE IS NO POWER THEN THERE IS NO POWER.

now chamber cha leaders of AP THINK mafia queen has no power. Ergo - no need to worship or fear.

Result - Revolt to protect own political interests.
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the longer this stays in limbo, the more confusion and more stalling. there are somethings that are just waiting to happen. but they won't happen until some decision is taken on the T-issue.

I want to see KCR and his backer, Jagan, Owaisis, all standing on a single platform and proudly posing for photo-ops. that won't happen till some decision is taken. come-on, INC, figure it out. either say yes, or no. either way, the future is on the other side of this Telangana-decision. till something is decided, entire State and people are stranded in Trishanku-swargam.
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the 6 Cong MP's who put the NC motion will not be joining BJP. so what is the point of doing this while still staying in INC? they won't get tickets to run in 2014. so, will they run as Independents? or switch to TDP? YSRCP?
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Narayana Rao wrote:The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.
Yes. I believe it is linked to Mafia Queen's Boss and his/her interest in India. I had several theories but I ruled them out myself. I am still looking for any outrageous and unlikely explanation. No success yet.
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Just saw in TV news. Non-Telangana voters were removed from voters' list in some Hyderabad constituencies. Looks like Congress and TRS want sweep across Telangana including Hyderabad now.
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Narayana Rao wrote:KKR revolt is unimaginable. Mafia can not have even a drama of this kind of revolt in public. Why then the revolt is happening. The mafia queen is becoming weak day by day. She can not ensure political benefits, power etc. She can not make u win. So why cham cha gang worship her?
Congress has unique structure where King/Queen is at helm, but day-to-day affairs and strategies are formulated by trusted coterie and/or generals. These generals are semi-subedars whose power is increased manifold by being in the coterie.

The real problem of Congress at present is fragmented generals or enforcers are unsure of their fate after RaGa's promotion. He has his own coterie of laptop technocrats who are not jelling well with old black magic magicians like Ahmed Patel, Diggy Raja etc.

Even if High command want to replace KKR, the old horses and new technocrats have own their choices and preferences, so the HQ has no single voice.
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Altair wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:The real reason for division of AP is still deeply burried secret.
Yes. I believe it is linked to Mafia Queen's Boss and his/her interest in India. I had several theories but I ruled them out myself. I am still looking for any outrageous and unlikely explanation. No success yet.
Despite YSR, EJism has not penetrated the battle-harden Teleangana (who had survived rabid Razaakars). So they want to create a coastal ring where they can create RoLs in 50-60% range in 1-2 decades. When RoLs have wealth creator like Kosta and rowdy types of Jagan in Seema, I bet whole South India will become a turmoil.

Correction: Its RoL - Religion of Love, not LoPs.
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kmkraoind wrote: Despite YSR, EJism has not penetrated the battle-harden Teleangana (who had survived rabid Razaakars). So they want to create a coastal ring where they can create LoPs in 50-60% range in 1-2 decades. When LoPs have wealth creator like Kosta and rowdy types of Jagan in Seema, I bet whole South India will become a turmoil.
What is LoP, saar? Is it `Level of Population'?
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^^^
I was talking about above stuff long time ago. I think what really rankles the controllers is that they think they've sufficiently neutered Bengal and TN, consider Odisha to be a "backwater", and AP coast remains relatively free from BD-type OR pervasive Dravidian-type social engineering.

the idea is to neuter the East Coast from being a base of naval expansion. that area cannot be allowed -- under "saffron" banner -- to dream of big things.

beyond the regional lens, it completely encircles India and prevents access for 'saffron' to a potential base for naval power.

this is where the EJ's come in. ultimately, this is the game plan for Jagan and his ilk. their personal grandeur will be guaranteed in return for keeping the flock shackled.
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