Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Jan 2014 07:28

nageshks wrote:
muraliravi wrote: But you will still see some growth in AK support and a parallel decline in congress chamcha giri, for it is just a transfer of support from one camp to another.
This is exactly what I am afraid of. The old Congress returning under a new brand name. And worse, it is a Congress purged of all its nationalistic elements - for all its sins, the old Congress did have its share of nationalists. This new Congress is just hype, opportunism, pandering to communities, and worst of all, more radically anti-nationalist with works with social engineering, with elements of American counter culture infused in. It will be terrible if we get rid of the old dinosaur, only for a new, worse leftist alternative to emerge.

Well Sir,

The enemy will not keep quiet and see his asset (the current congress) die an easy death. So they devised a version better suited for their purpose. Lets see how Namo handles this version of congress. I am surprised that he has not said one word (i repeat not a single word) against this new cabal. I am very very surprised.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 06 Jan 2014 07:44

muraliravi wrote: The enemy will not keep quiet and see his asset (the current congress) die an easy death. So they devised a version better suited for their purpose. Lets see how Namo handles this version of congress. I am surprised that he has not said one word (i repeat not a single word) against this new cabal. I am very very surprised.

Have you seen the movie braveheart and how Mel Gibson waits until the last minute to defeat a formidable enemy. Have patience and time will tell if he has to even react.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Jan 2014 07:57

Muppalla wrote:
muraliravi wrote: The enemy will not keep quiet and see his asset (the current congress) die an easy death. So they devised a version better suited for their purpose. Lets see how Namo handles this version of congress. I am surprised that he has not said one word (i repeat not a single word) against this new cabal. I am very very surprised.
Have you seen the movie braveheart and how Mel Gibson waits until the last minute to defeat a formidable enemy. Have patience and time will tell if he has to even react.

Waiting for it sir.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 06 Jan 2014 08:31

Nagesh avere, its not just Prashant Bhushans stand on Kashmir. AK himself has gone around claiming that the Batla house encounter was fake. A police man Mohan Chand Sharma, who like the NSG commando was doing his job working for national security, was killed. This even after the terrorists had been convicted. I am surprised no body has questioned him on this, at least not that I know of.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 06 Jan 2014 08:57

forget aam admi , how come an ex-nsg falls for that

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 06 Jan 2014 09:05

nageshks wrote:Folks - is it just me, or are others also noticing that AAP members, who used to dominate the airwaves, are beginning to take a bit of a hit. Majority of the articles about AAP have huge number of negative comments.

Not only taking hits, but started blocking who air a differing view. I guess if NaMo supporters keep the pressure on, it is easy to put a brake on them. Pardon me for not informing beforehand, but I have used your men and donkey story at one place.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 06 Jan 2014 09:17

Ex-NSG commando Surinder Singh should be asked if he really wants to be part of an anti-national party. If he resigns from AAP and MLA ship it will be a big symbolic blow to Fordiwal and his American Awami Party.

niran · Post by **niran** » 06 Jan 2014 09:18

Sagar G wrote:Nope Maha isn't easy money for BJP, I don't see anything to believe that NCP-Cong virus has become weak in Maha. He is going behind the scenes only and will carry out his agenda from back their.

this does not answer the question why is he using the back door to RS? this way is reserved for out of their shelf life netas who could not win in their own household let alone a LS constituency not for netas loike pawarfull pawarji raoji ieatbhajibesanparathaonree maharaj.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Jan 2014 09:26

Here is a very interesting article about the AAP on centre right india.

http://centreright.in/2014/01/understan ... sosD_RDuX8

The author had done a very good job getting into the AAP model.

Folks - please do read the entire article. Not only is it exceptionally good, it gets one thinking about the exceedingly dangerous implications about the rise of the AAP for India. It gets one thinking about the goals of the AAP. From my perspective, it is a recipe for the complete dissolution of the Indian Union, through creeping anarchy. And it calls for deeper investigation into the funding for the AAP.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 09:35

Arvind Kejriwal asked to rethink his refusal to fight Lok Sabha polls

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 09:37

Prashant Bhushan for referendum on Army's J&K deployment

NEW DELHI: Senior AAP leader Prashant Bhushan sparked a controversy on Sunday by calling for a referendum in Kashmir to decide whether or not the Indian Army should be deployed to deal with internal threats in the valley.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 06 Jan 2014 10:17

why dont they take a vote

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 06 Jan 2014 10:29

I say enough of this farziwal and his farzi opinion polls. If I know what outcome I have to provide I can always find a sample which will give me what I need to prove. This taking a vote on a matter of national importance is a mischievous business and is simply walking into the PAAPistha's trap. There is only poll that is sacrosanct and that is the election conducted by the Election Commission.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 06 Jan 2014 11:01

Isn't there a resolution in the Parliament of India about integration of J&K. There should be an inquiry on anyone going against letter and spirit of this as passed by Indian representatives in the Parliament. Especially if any outsiders are involved in it and pushing this under some innocent looking label.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 06 Jan 2014 11:52

Nitesh wrote:
nageshks wrote:Folks - is it just me, or are others also noticing that AAP members, who used to dominate the airwaves, are beginning to take a bit of a hit. Majority of the articles about AAP have huge number of negative comments.
Not only taking hits, but started blocking who air a differing view. I guess if NaMo supporters keep the pressure on, it is easy to put a brake on them. Pardon me for not informing beforehand, but I have used your men and donkey story at one place.

on TOI, India today forum several of anti AAP comments of mine have been removed left and right, even an innocuous comment on rakhi birla like--'if you come by auto rickshaw for oath ceremony then move around in innova people may get irked' was removed. bloody hypocrites, trying to muzzle the truth.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 06 Jan 2014 11:57

There are too many JNU inspired maoist believers in the rank and file of the Indian media. These failed revolutionaries are the ones who are the most excited about AAP.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 06 Jan 2014 12:03

Kumar Vishwas is a 3rd rate poet and an even worse comedian. I suffered through the whole 20 minutes to see if he is any good.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 06 Jan 2014 12:48

While AAP has all the attention, what is the Queen Bee busy with?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 06 Jan 2014 12:52

And now that the initial euphoria has died down many of my friends and relatives agree with me on what i was saying all along on AK. He is like Mamata's charm offensive and simplicity pretenses with the mouth of Digvijaya,secular facade of Mulla-e-aam and the economic policies of the communists. AK is retro socialism/communism in a nice smelling package (sort of like in the pushpak vimanam movie) until the $hit finally hits the fan.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 06 Jan 2014 13:26

^^ On FB feed, the local guys, including the one made monetary contribution, have gone silent. Only the guys abroad, especially ones with left "librul" persuasion, are still yelping about AAP and need to "cleanse" Indian system.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 06 Jan 2014 13:28

VikramS wrote:While AAP has all the attention, what is the Queen Bee busy with?

hopefully checking out airline discounts.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 06 Jan 2014 13:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M09EZoTrKD4

On the dastardly attack on the aam aadmi

apoorv · Post by **apoorv** » 06 Jan 2014 13:49

Suddenly after Delhi government formation, yogi yadav seems to be more in command of AAP. I think Kejriwal is now a reluctant Delhi CM. Yogi Yadav dreams big of being Haryana CM. Attempts of Sudden expansion proves AAP wants power. This lust will be their downfall. They should have consolidated in Delhi and deliver governance. I think they are simply not capable. Doing work is boring. But role as Mr. Clean sermonising others is exciting.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 06 Jan 2014 13:56

Family from wife's side has relations in NCR based Bong Brahmin family. The patriarch once literally wept before me saying he wants to die a hindu. Somehow seemed to have taken to the heart all the criticism heaped upon Brahmins.

Met him after the AK-47 swearing in. The senior was in the AAP campaign in his locality in banglore (2nd home), but was left confused at the AK-47 - congress drama in Delhi. These guys have nil value for sentiments. And the surprising thing is they will be charging BJP with disregarding sentiments in the GE-14. They have left behind the jhuggi jhopadi people, the guilt driven people and are targeting solely the better off middle class with a potent mix of vaccous idealism. I bet the BJP == Congress and the Vishal Dadlani concerts will be the simple message they will use in their propaganda.

Tried on 2 people, the '1 vote to turd front is 1 one vote against NaMo' and it seems to be working. A bit slowly but definitely. This however requires some data mining esp. w.r.t. the corruption charges on Yeddy & Bokadia. Looks like Yeddy is going to get targeted. Got to keep an eye on Santosh Hegde.

Hyped up emotions it seems can respond to the cooling effect of an appeal to rationality. Esp. when delivered with an understated threat of forcing NaMo into an ABV like position. People still love ABV and can at the same time identify with NaMo. Also the BJP needs to restart the door to door, small contribution collection. Helps.

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 06 Jan 2014 14:12

At the end of the day, the formation and growth of AAP is not different from formation of the INC.... or even other national parties such as Jan Sangh/BJP. Bunch of people from different parts of India congregated, found common ground and a charter and in time, things fall-in together. But now, India is free and a bit long-in-the-tooth and the economic/religious poles of India have been occupied by parties - paternal centrist-left/right, left, right, casteist. Will AAP, now based on the anti-corruption pole alone make it? I mean, before it falls apart from the weight of it's own contradictions and weight and "diversity"? Regional satraps and local power bases are good but you need a flag to rally around, right?

Or are we going to see a novel idea of 545 manifestos and onwards to a non-Westminster system?

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 06 Jan 2014 16:36

2014 - Most American forces will leave Afghanistan....
2014 - talibanis fighting US forces will be free n diverted towards J&K
2014 - New Indian govt will be established
2014 - Prashant bhushan wants to remove Indian Army from J&K

but wait , 'lets give them a chance','They are different' , 'Free Free Free...'

Better plan your Ladakh , Pangong Lake , Mata Vaishno Devi , Srinagar , Jammu , Kargil etc trip quickly ,who knows soon you might need Pak VISA to visit these places!!

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 06 Jan 2014 16:59

http://5forty3.wordpress.com/2014/01/06 ... ojections/

This blogger got all the 4 states correct and his exit polls (whichever agency they used) was as close as it gets.

Stop the AAP dhoti shivering, I think it is a foregone conclusion, Namo will be our next PM.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 17:01

Should national security issues be decided by a local referendum? asks Arun Jaitley

A day after Aam Aadmi Party's Prashant Bhushan called for a referendum in Kashmir to decide whether the people want the Army to handle security in the region, senior BJP leader Arun Jaitley has said "It is regrettable that for a party like the Aam Aadmi Party which nourishes national ambitions, should adopt a position hostile to India's interests."

In a blog on his website, Mr Jaitley says issues of national security cannot be decided by populism or referendum.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 17:02

AAP talking like separatists, behaving like jihadis: Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 17:03

Bhushan clarifies on his army in J&K remark, BJP, Congress slam him

Lawyer-turned activist and AAP leader Prashant Bhushan came under fire over his comments on Kashmir with both the BJP and Congress strongly opposing his comments on what they called is a sensitive national subject.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2014 17:05

AAP distances itself from Prashant Bhushan's remarks on Kashmir

Chief Minister Arvind Kejriwal said decisions on internal security are taken based on the law and order situation and there cannot have referendum on deployment of the army in Kashmir.

"Deployment of the army within the country should be decided on the basis of internal security threat. There is no question of a referrundum on this. But we believe the sentiments of locals should be respected. Otherwise democracy will be under threat," he told reporters when asked about Bhushan's comments on the issue yesterday.

He said, "AAP does not support referendum on such issues."

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 06 Jan 2014 17:07

Anand K wrote:At the end of the day, the formation and growth of AAP is not different from formation of the INC.... or even other national parties such as Jan Sangh/BJP. Bunch of people from different parts of India congregated, found common ground and a charter and in time, things fall-in together. But now, India is free and a bit long-in-the-tooth and the economic/religious poles of India have been occupied by parties - paternal centrist-left/right, left, right, casteist. Will AAP, now based on the anti-corruption pole alone make it? I mean, before it falls apart from the weight of it's own contradictions and weight and "diversity"? Regional satraps and local power bases are good but you need a flag to rally around, right?

Or are we going to see a novel idea of 545 manifestos and onwards to a non-Westminster system?

I think there are two choices ahead for AAP-

1) Maintain a phlegmatic non-ideological stance on Economy, Security, Strategic Affairs, Social Relations - but position oneself as supremely ideological on "Governance" (which category would include anti-corruption, direct democracy etc..).

2) Enunciate a stance like other parties on Economy and other matters. If it does choose this path - it would certainly gravitate towards socialist / leftist ideology

If AAP goes for path (2) as seems likely based on many indications so far, both BJP and AAP will benefit. Basically all the centrist / rightist folks who gravitated to AAP thinking it was a "governance" play will now revert back to BJP as the only center-right option remaining. So BJP will get to keep its flock intact. However the left, center-left constituency will get further divided between Congress, its stooges and the AAP...So, all in all, BJP wins big but AAP is also likely to gain somewhat in comparison to Congress and regional parties.

If AAP goes for path (1) - it will be a completely new experiment in global democracy. A party that has an ideology centered purely on governance, but no fixed ideology on economics or other fronts. This could be a rather interesting experiment - and will have the advantage of cutting somewhat more into potential Modi vote-base in urban areas. But it may become increasingly clear that "direct democracy" is just a more fancy phrase for extreme populism....This path would be more difficult to predict in terms of results. As of now, though, path (2) looks much more likely.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 06 Jan 2014 17:27

VikramS wrote:While AAP has all the attention, what is the Queen Bee busy with?

Probably moving the last of her billions out of the country in anticipation of an electoral loss.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 06 Jan 2014 17:57

5forty3.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/the-20 ... ojections/

Summary:
1) BJP’s lead over Congress is huge as of now (135-59) and the only way that BJP can be stopped in 2014 is by a huge “secular” alliance (which looks unlikely).
2) Of the 180 Battleground seats, BJP is a strong contender in about 120 and is therefore poised to cross the 200 mark, whereas Congress is a strong contender only in about 50 odd seats which has put the party in a very vulnerable position
3) Although a dangerously fractured mandate is still possible, the third and fourth fronts are severely handicapped in North India which has made it BJP’s election to lose.

There are two strong trends already present and both are showing signs of getting stronger:

1) The lead seems so big that even if AAP is a front for foreigners, there is still no reasonable way a 3rd front can be put up by their masters.
2) Congress of 2009 cannot be compared with Congress of 2014. And all the kings men cannot still put humpty dumpty together.

The real job that is there for BJP is to do things that help it maintain the confidence on the 180-200 seats that the blogger mentions.

After having been bitten twice in 2004 and 2009, BJP/NaMo sympathizers may be averse to risk. I know I am. Hence probably the extreme focus on AAP.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Jan 2014 18:11

Sucheta Dalal ‏@suchetadalal 12m
Extrarodinary support frm Ford to Kejri "@akhil21_5: Noise : Bala of Infosys joins AAP. Whats not heard ?Bala is on board of Ford Foundation

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 06 Jan 2014 18:36

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Jan 2014 18:54

folks what is the state of the Lefties in WB ? TMC seems singularly focussed on crushing them by hook or crook. how many seats are they expected to win in WB?
how did 4 decades of cadre based work and crime/intimidation under state sponsorship by the leftists unravel so suddenly?
where have the cadres gone - deserted and melted away into bush, or sharpening their bayonets and hiding in caves for a april putsch "new moon offensive" vietcong style?

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 06 Jan 2014 19:01

cadres have simply changed their color - from red to blue.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 06 Jan 2014 19:12

^^

Red to Green

The so called Red cadre and commie organization were overrated rubbish. They are simply street ruffians and criminals of all hues that simply changed allegiance overnight.

What was the value system of these ruffians under the red flag? Intimidation and outright violence. It's too much to expect such filth to be loyal to any ideology.

There is no alternative to a cadre organized on a dharmic value system that can hold steadfast to their belief under duress.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Jan 2014 20:22

AAP == Another Angrez Party!