Indian Naval News & Discussion - 12 Oct 2013

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 03 Feb 2014 19:09

all things considered they are in no position - economic or military to do a kargil there unless they completely GUBO and become a chinese vassal, with chinese "construction workers" in the 1000s flooding the occupied territory.
and plans like that need a precedent which is creating disputes over some islands just as china is doing in the east now.
afaik there exist no dispute with indonesia over any island at present.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 03 Feb 2014 19:58

the indons hate the chinese, they killed around 2m of them (ethnic chinese settlers in the indonesian archipelago) in the 1960's in the guise of anti-communism

picked up off the street, beaten or strangled to death in police stations, sometimes en masse
arbitrary, random, brutal, villages burned, women and children subjected to extreme brutality
inconvenient truths of the cold war...

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Feb 2014 20:01

key reason why the Navy was not aggressively deployed against Pakistan in 1965....Indonesia. IN deployments were centered in and around Andamans as Sukarno had threatened action at that time. What is more is they their radio service used to refer to Indian ocean as the Indonesian ocean...this went on till the 1980s.

The details are there on the IN website.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 03 Feb 2014 20:03

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/archive/ ... gic-eagle/

The Garuda, Asean Need Not Fear The Indian Navy’s Strategic Eagle
By webadmin on 9:17 am September 17, 2012.
Category Archive
Rajeev Sharma

The commissioning on July 31 of INS Baaz, India’s first naval air station at Campbell Bay, the southernmost island of the Andaman and Nicobar group of islands, is an important strategic move by India. The naval air station is very close to the Indonesian coast. However, friendly Indonesia need not worry, as it is a China-specific move by the Indian navy.

Campbell Bay is India’s most potent forward maritime military infrastructure, which would provide strategic leverage to the air force and navy if a crisis situation were to erupt. It would enable the Indian armed forces to launch a joint offensive in the area, covering right up to the South China Sea. It will also enable the Indians to take better care of their commercial and strategic interests in the Malacca Strait and beyond.

The primary responsibility of INS Baaz will be to provide information based on airborne maritime surveillance using aircraft and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. In this sense, the naval air station’s name is very apt, as baaz means “eagle” in Hindi. It will provide an eagle’s eye view for the Indian armed forces over the strategic sea lanes around Andaman and Nicobar islands, where the Indian navy has already been augmenting its strength under the Andaman and Nicobar Command at Port Blair with the latest warships, amphibious ships, naval offshore patrol vessels and fast-attack craft.

The strategic chain of islands has already emerged as a major launching pad for the Indian navy to conduct cooperative patrols with neighboring nations like Indonesia and Thailand, and slightly more distant Southeast Asian nations like Vietnam, Malaysia and Singapore.

Interestingly, the latest Indian move hasn’t triggered adverse reactions from Southeast Asian nations — a far cry from the 1980s, when regional powers cried foul when the Indian navy first started expanding in the Andaman and Nicobar islands. This time Southeast Asian nations are looking rather benignly over the Indian initiative, considering China’s aggressive posture in the region that has rattled some members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, particularly Vietnam and the Philippines.

Significantly, the commissioning of INS Baaz has coincided with the Obama administration’s declaration of a new deployment policy in the Asia-Pacific region, where the US military will be relocating 60 percent of its maritime power worldwide. The interpretation is ominous: The strengthening of India’s naval presence near the Malacca Strait puts the Indian maritime strategy in sync with that of the United States.

Obviously India’s Campbell Bay initiative has been forced by China upping its ante over the South China Sea issue. Moreover, the Indian navy has also put into operation two forward operating bases in Kamorta (Nicobar) and Diglipur (Andaman) as well. The idea of bolstering India’s military presence in the Andaman and Nicobar islands germinated more than two decades ago, but the Indians never took concrete steps to implement the plans. Now that Chinese pushes in the region have come to shoves, the Indians have been forced to operationalize the naval air station at Campbell Bay under the tri-service command.

What should be a matter of concern for China is the fact that the Indian defense ministry has also given permission to the navy to develop additional naval air stations on other islands similar to Campbell Bay. The navy is now engaged in setting up operational turnaround facilities for ships to be dispersed along the entire length of the island chain to maximize the reach of ships and aircraft on patrol.

The move, from the Indian point of view, shows its resolve to protect its maritime interests to the last corner of the Indian Ocean and even beyond into the Pacific Ocean. The Indian move also signals its intent to integrate the highly strategic Andaman and Nicobar islands in the national security mix like never before.

The new naval air station overlooks the Malacca Strait and also dominates the Six Degree Channel, the core thrust of the Chinese Navy (PLAN) these days, which lies between India’s Great Nicobar Island and Indonesia’s Sumatra, where China’s shipping is especially vulnerable to Indian and other forces.

Six Degree Channel is the third of the three-island-chain strategy of the Chinese, while the first island chain is centered on Taiwan and the second island chain extends from Japan to Indonesia. The strategy will enable the Chinese, in the long run, to project power capable of reaching America’s bases in Hawaii.

India recently based its tri-services command in Andaman and Nicobar islands, which enables the Indians to mount effective surveillance of the Lombok and Sunda straits as a non-lethal demonstration of Indian capabilities, not different from the way the US navy is building up Guam. The Campbell Bay naval air station at present is suitable only for transport aircraft, helicopter and maritime reconnaissance operations, with only 1,000 meters of runway. India’s navy is fast working on the plan to extend the runway to 3,000 meters, which would allow the IAF Sukhoi-30MKI aircraft to land and takeoff after refueling.

A massive plan to upgrade the Campbell Bay naval air station is already in the works. It involves creating infrastructure to facilitate the berthing of warships and enabling unrestricted operation of all categories of aircraft including heavy aircraft. Modern airfield instruments and navigational aids are going to be deployed at the base. The Indian navy’s near-term plans for the base also include deploying the Hercules C-130 aircraft there and enhancing Special Forces operations capabilities.

The Indian move to bolster its military presence in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, separated by 650 nautical miles from mainland India and closer to Indonesia than the Indian mainland, is aimed at milking the islands’ geo-strategic advantage to the hilt. These islands open up a window to East Asia and Southeast Asia, while beefing up Indian military reach for the Bay of Bengal region as well.

India’s Campbell Bay initiative is a befitting response to the Chinese flexing of its military muscles in the region. Neighboring powers like Indonesia should only feel reassured by the move, as the Campbell Bay naval air station is India’s extended arm in the Malacca Strait for the benefit of Southeast Asian nations.

Rajeev Sharma is a New Delhi-based journalist-author and strategic analyst. He can be reached at [email protected].

John · Post by **John** » 03 Feb 2014 21:43

Rupak wrote:The LR-SAM I understand has been qualified and that the Alpha's are already equipped for it.

That is good news but i still hope we have naval AAD in the works.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 04 Feb 2014 02:22

Navy sacks INS Airavat captain after warship mishap

NEW DELHI : The Navy has stripped yet another captain of his command of a frontline warship, INS Airavat, which ran slightly aground while returning to its home base at Vizag last week. Though the inquiry into the circumstances behind the huge amphibious battleship's mishap is yet to kick off, its captain J P S Virk has been given marching orders, sources said.

This is the second time when a warship's commanding officer has been sacked in quick succession. Earlier, Captain Gopal Suri, who was commanding INS Talwar, was removed after the Russian-origin stealth frigate rammed a fishing vessel off Ratnagiri on December 23.

A third captain, Deepak Bisht, was also relieved after his guided-missile frigate INS Betwa developed a hairline crack in the protected dome around its sonar while returning to Mumbai after a patrol last month. The Navy, however, stresses that Captain Bisht was "routinely transferred after completing his tenure".

The force is having a bad run since its Kilo-class submarine INS Sindhurakshak sank after a series of internal explosions at the Mumbai naval dockyard, killing three officers and 15 sailors on August 14. Seven more warship mishaps have been reported since then, some minor but at least a couple of them "serious" ones.

"Only the INS Sindhurakshak, INS Talwar and INS Airavat incidents are serious. The rest are minor, or even non-incidents, but have received a lot of negative publicity. The Navy operates over 130 warships, and minor incidents do take place in operational deployments," said a senior officer.

"Warship captains need to be decisive, with a certain audacity to take risks to win battles. But the lack of support from the higher-ups, including the defence ministry, is fast breeding a generation of timid captains who want to play safe all the time. A fear psychosis is sapping the morale of the force," he added.

There is a contrary view both in the Navy and outside, with defence minister A K Antony publically holding that the hugely costly warships and submarines were "national resources" and the force should take utmost care to ensure they are not wasted or "frittered away".

As for INS Airavat, the latest of the new amphibious battleships called "landing ship tank (large)" inducted in 2009, the board of inquiry (BoI) is yet to kick off. But initial investigations indicate it was a case of "navigational error" that led the 5,600-tonne warship -- designed to carry a dozen tanks and 500 combat-ready troops -- to scrape the seabed.

"One of the two propellers has been damaged. It will be repaired after INS Airavat is dry-docked. * The Vizag channel is narrow, only around 100-metre wide, and has to be carefully negotiated by such a large warship, which is 124-metre long.* INS Airavat strayed off course in what seems to be a human error and miscalculation," said another officer.

* : A Channel is meant for Traversing. For Turning a "Turning Circle" is provided in the required position. Much Deeper, Larger, Longer, and Wider Ships - all with Single Propeller - built at the Hindustan Shipyard have traversed this Channel while using the Port of Visakhapatnam in the last Twenty to Thirty - if not more - Years.

Cheers

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 04 Feb 2014 06:26

INS Kamorta

via http://www.aame.in/2014/02/grse-has-tak ... -spin.html

srin · Post by **srin** » 04 Feb 2014 14:07

It doesn't seem to have the clean topside of the Shivaliks. And doesn't "look" stealthy enough. Probably because it's mission is ASW, they focused more on the acoustic stealth ?

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 04 Feb 2014 19:27

Ramp at SBTF, Goa

Does anyone know what the ring-type protrusions on the ground are?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 04 Feb 2014 19:39

For tail hooks while landing?

edit: thought that the wires go through that for snagging the tail hooks , looks like that wasn't the case

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 04 Feb 2014 19:55

putnanja wrote:For tail hooks while landing?

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 04 Feb 2014 19:59

John · Post by **John** » 04 Feb 2014 20:12

srin wrote:It doesn't seem to have the clean topside of the Shivaliks. And doesn't "look" stealthy enough. Probably because it's mission is ASW, they focused more on the acoustic stealth ?

The superstructure is angular design should generate a lower radar signature than Shivalik the lack of fully enclosed mast is what makes probably gives it cluttered look similar to Talwar.

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 04 Feb 2014 20:23

Viv S wrote:Ramp at SBTF, Goa

Does anyone know what the ring-type protrusions on the ground are?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5sP7XwykNSM/T ... cture1.png

Thats not SBTF
Its INS Viraat

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 04 Feb 2014 20:24

Kakarat wrote:Thats not SBTF
Its INS Viraat

Ah.. I see. Well, same question.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 04 Feb 2014 21:08

Viv S wrote:Ramp at SBTF, Goa

Does anyone know what the ring-type protrusions on the ground are?

Viv S Ji :

These "Eyelets" in the "Take Off Path" might be the position of the "Cat's Eyes" which would be placed in position after "knocking off" the eyelets prior to going for Sea Trials.

In case it is the Virat then it might be to secure the Aircraft on Deck.

Cheers

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Feb 2014 10:20

Modernisation of Indian Navy
Modernisation of Indian Coast Guard

SP Naval Forces

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 Feb 2014 09:27

Maitri PDMS
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0qvgIF4ZMgM/U ... lation.jpg

LRSAM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFh9nqtphJ0/U ... r+Navy.jpg

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 06 Feb 2014 11:59

BrahMos cruise missiles salvo-fired in India for the first time

"This is the world's first salvo-firing of supersonic cruise missiles. The salvo-firing was effected on January 30 off the coast of India's southern state of Karnataka," the source pointed out. "It's just been confirmed that everything went off successfully. Two missiles were fired one after the other with an interval of three seconds".

The source said, "The first missile with a warhead successfully hit the target and the second one – with telemetry – followed the assigned trajectory". "We can launch almost simultaneously eight missiles one after another at three-second intervals", he specified.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 06 Feb 2014 18:12

Rupak wrote:@Merlin,
I don't know if LR-SAMs are loaded, but all the hardware and software allowing "plug and play" is there already. This was not the case with the 16A when commissioned.

Thanks for the confirmation Rupak. So it just needs to be test fired from the Kolkata then to be declared operational. That's good.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 06 Feb 2014 18:20

Any definitive statements about P-28 amament? For such a large vessel it looks dreadfully underarmed.

koti · Post by **koti** » 06 Feb 2014 20:57

I was wondering if US-2's can be suitably modified to be used as ASW aircraft.
The Kamov is a good platform for ship based ASW but these can IMO beef up the shore based ASW capability with a longer range, quicker response and a far higher endurance.
What say.

John · Post by **John** » 06 Feb 2014 23:53

Philip wrote:Any definitive statements about P-28 amament? For such a large vessel it looks dreadfully underarmed.

The Armament is about normal fit for vessel that size there might be room amidship for 2*4 Uran but with no Garpun that is unlikely. The 2 RBU-6000 take up as much room as 8 Klub VLS module.

Austin,

That interesting i wonder if P-28 will be fitted with Maitri when it is ready.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 07 Feb 2014 06:51

Finally, the ships will see service after long delays and cost escalations

INS Kolkata - P-15A, INS Kadmatt - P-28 corvette, to be commissioned in Mid 2014

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Feb 2014 10:39

From AMR.Xcpt on Asain navies.Are these figs for the IN's needs correct?

http://www.asianmilitaryreview.com/dest ... ades-grey/

Indian Ocean

The Indian Ocean region is obviously dominated by the Indian Navy which operates three ‘Delhi’ (Project 15) and eight Russian-built ‘Rajput’ (Kashin II) class multi-role ships with aging area defence systems, augmented by the Israel Aerospace Industries/Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Barak SAM systems in some of the ‘Delhi’ class ships. The Barak SAM system in its local (Barak 1) and area defence (Barak versions will be the backbone of the three ‘Kolkata’ (Project 15A) class destroyers under construction and it is reported that India wants seven Kolkatas and another four improved ‘Bengaluru’ (Project 15B) class destroyers.

The frigate force of the Indian Navy includes about a dozen hulls, the majority (‘Godavari’, ‘Brahmaputra’ and ‘Nilgiri’ classes) are based upon the British ‘Leander’ class design, with the exception of the ‘Nilgiri’ class, which have no

ASuW capability. These latter vessels are useful but are being replaced by the more capable domestically-produced ‘Shivalik’ (Project 17) and the Russian-built ‘Talwar’ (Project 1135.6) classes and they seem very capable multi-role ships. Seven and nine examples respectively have been ordered, with New Delhi reportedly interested in another eight ‘Talwar’ class and seven ‘Shivalik’ (Project 17A) class ships.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 07 Feb 2014 11:07

Hmm. Lots of errors in the above. For starters there are only 5 Kashin and not 8. Then there will be only 7 total new destroyers (3 P15A and 4 P15B). Shivaliks are P17 and the follow ons are P17A (seven nos is correct but the class will not be called Shivalik I think). And at the most we will order 4 more Talwar, (or more likely 3) to add to the initial 3+3 that we have and not 8 as mentioned above.

So incoming ships are only the Kolkata/Bengaluru and Shivalik follow ons from India. And likely Talwar follow ons.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Feb 2014 19:41

More on the German Atlas Elektronic TAS system being acquired by the IN for a variety of warships.

Asean Military Defense Review
Yesterday

#Indian #Navy planning to equip #warships with #European #sonar systems

NEW #DELHI, Seeking to strengthen its anti- submarine warfare capabilities, Navy is planning to equip its indigenous Delhi Class and Russian-origin Talwar class warships with sonar systems developed by European firm Atlas Elektronik.

Navy officials said the firm is the lowest bidder and the Defence Ministry has to take a final decision on the inking of the deal.

"Atlas Elektronik has won the competition for the ATAS, which will equip the Delhi and Talwar class ships initially and subsequently be manufactured in India under cooperation with Bharat Electronics Limited," Atlas Elektronik's India head Khalil Rahman said here today.

He said the first six systems will be manufactured at the company's facilities and the follow-on batches would be manufactured in Indian under the Transfer of Technology (ToT) arrangement with Indian public sector unit.

Rahman said an ATAS is necessary for detection of submarines and torpedoes and in today's underwater warfare environment the determining advantage is to detect a submarine beyond the weapon range (of the submarine), thereby denying offensive capability.

"The Indian Navy's ATAS project is therefore a key element of the strategy to secure Indian waters. The project is destined to be rolled out to various classes of ships including Delhi, Talwar, Kamorta, Shivalik and Kolkata," he said.

Company officials said the towed array sonar provided by ATLAS permits observation of the sea space at ranges considerably above 60 kilometers, depending on the propagation conditions of the water. This gives the sonar an operational range that by far exceeds that of radars and the weapons range of submarines.

"The system is therefore not only ideal for hunting submarines but also for the wide-area reconnaissance of surface combatants," Rahman said.

The ATLAS India head said the Thai navy in December 2013 has also placed orders for its 70mm ACTA towed array sonars.

(PHOTO) Indian Navy INS Mysore D60-C2 Delhi-class guided-missile destroyer (front).

http://bit.ly/1b4UJ37

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Feb 2014 20:13

The Russian Stereguschy class corvette is perhaps the closest class of corvette to our P-28 Kamortas.However,the smaller Russian corvette appears to be more heavily armed with some extra "beef" when compared with our P-28 design.It also indicates more room for improvement of the class.

Class & type: Steregushchy class corvette
Displacement: 1900[clarification needed] full load
Length: 104.5 m
Beam: 11.1 m
Draught: 3.7 m
Propulsion: 2 shaft CODAD, 4 16D49 diesels 24.000hp (17.9 MW), power supply AC 380/220V, 50 Hz, 4x630 kw diesel genset
Speed: 26 knots (48 km/h; 30 mph)
Range: 4,000 nautical miles (7,400 km; 4,600 mi) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)
Endurance: 15 days
Complement: 100
Sensors and
processing systems: Air search radar: Furke-E 3D, E/F band Monument targeting radar
Armament:

1 x Arsenal A-190 100mm
2 x MTPU pedestal 14.5 machine gun
32 x 9M96E/M or 9M100 missiles (Redut system)[1]
6 x 3M54 Klub or 8 x 3M24 Uran
2 x AK-630М CIWS
4 x 400mm torpedo tubes
SS-N-29 / RPK-9 Medvedka-VE anti-submarine rockets
Aircraft carried: Helipad for Ka-27 Helicopter

The 20380 class can be equipped with Kh-35 anti-ship missiles and 3M54 Klub cruise missiles, Kashtan anti-aircraft gun/missile systems, a main 100-mm gun, two 30-mm close-range air defense guns, and torpedo tubes, according to naval-technology.com. It also has a hangar and deck for operation of a Kamov Ka-27 anti-submarine warfare helicopter, and is fitted with a Vinyetka-EM towed-array sonar.

Class & type: Project 28

Type: ASW Corvette
Displacement: 2,500 - 3,100 tonnes[2][3][4]
Length: 109.1 m
Beam: 13.7 m
Propulsion: 4 x Pielstick 12 PA6 STC Diesel engines
CODAD, DCNS raft mounted gearbox
Speed: 32 knots
Complement: 180 sailors and 15 Officers
Sensors and
processing systems:

Revati Central Acquisition Radar
EL/M-2221 STGR fire-control radar
BEL Shikari
BEL RAWL02 (Signaal LW08) antenna communication grid – Gigabit Ethernet-based integrated ship borne data network, with a fibre optic cable backbone running through the vessel
HUMSA (Hull Mounted Sonar Array)
Bomber Electronic warfare (EW) suites – BEL Sanket Mk III
Electronic warfare
& decoys: DESEAVER MK
Armament:

1 X 76.2 mm Oto SRGM
2 x AK-630M CIWS
2 X RBU-6000 (IRL) anti-submarine rocket launcher
2 x 4 3M-54 Klub cruise missile[5]
2x8 Barak SAM
2x3 Torpedo tubes
Aircraft carried: 1 Westland Sea King Mk.42B

John · Post by **John** » 07 Feb 2014 22:36

No Klubs on P-28 there is no Garpun FCR and no indication of a VLS Module for Klub. Steregushchy has 12 not 32 Redut? We will know more about Barak-1 fit when the vessel is commissioned or we get better pics.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 09 Feb 2014 00:41

Another one.

INS Mysore hits jetty, suffers damage; Navy orders probe.

The navy has ordered a probe against the commanding officer of a leading warship after his boat allegedly hit a jetty while berthing at the Mumbai harbour, putting the navy’s dismal safety record under further scrutiny.

A navy source said a board of inquiry had been ordered against the captain of INS Mysore, a 6,900-tonne guided missile destroyer assigned to frontline operations. The warship’s skipper is a navigation and direction specialist.

Although the INS Mysore suffered “minor damage” and is currently seaworthy, the source said authorities had taken a “serious view” of the incident because of the spate of such mishaps.

“The destroyer is currently off Visakhapatnam to take part in an annual exercise. Its captain has as an impeccable record and is still in command,” he said.

The captains of INS Talwar, INS Betwa and INS Airavat have been stripped of their command in a span of one month for lapses that led to accidents under their watch, raising questions about leadership and training in the navy.

The incident involving INS Mysore has taken the navy’s mishap tally to nine since India’s Russian-built submarine INS Sindhurakshak blew up and sank at a Mumbai harbour last August, killing all 18 men on board.

Defence minister AK Antony had on Thursday asked the navy to clean up its act, saying he wasn’t satisfied with the force’s functioning. He directed the navy to “strictly follow” standard operating procedures to combat preventable accidents that have tarnished the force’s reputation.

The defence ministry may ask the navy to carry out a “safety stand-down,” a designated time for crews to focus on safety-related matters and training to deal with the daunting challenge of reducing mishaps. Human error is the most frequent cause of navy mishaps worldwide.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 Feb 2014 04:07

Unbelievable and unenviable string of ship handling mishaps the IN seems to be having.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2014 08:51

jetty berthing in the naval basin is done by tugs fore and aft right? still, its the ships officers who direct the harbour tugs on wireless by visual inspection I think..from looking at discovery mighty ships episodes.

Eric Leiderman · Post by **Eric Leiderman** » 09 Feb 2014 08:57

Naval vessels do not use tugs like commercial vessels as they are highly manouverable and light.
an AC carrier or a replenishment vessel because of size and large sail effect might use tugs, Destroyers with plenty of power twin screws at 6-8k tons can berth under own power

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 09 Feb 2014 20:17

Karan M wrote:Unbelievable and unenviable string of ship handling mishaps the IN seems to be having.

I doubt the safety record would have changed rapidly in a short time. Just that the media has caught on to it and each incident minor or major is being highlighted. IAF went thru the exact same trial by fire 10 years back till ACM Krishnaswamy controlled it.

It seems to me that several times such stories are leaked by MOD or Navy sources intentionally.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 09 Feb 2014 22:19

Aditya G wrote:
Karan M wrote:Unbelievable and unenviable string of ship handling mishaps the IN seems to be having.

I doubt the safety record would have changed rapidly in a short time. Just that the media has caught on to it and each incident minor or major is being highlighted. IAF went thru the exact same trial by fire 10 years back till ACM Krishnaswamy controlled it.

It seems to me that several times such stories are leaked by MOD or Navy sources intentionally.

YES There seems to be a game plan to malign each and every CO/XO. There has to be a leak somewhere in IN. IN must go all out and stop this source(s) before it goes out of hand and leaks more dangerous vital and critical information

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Feb 2014 23:05

Without now thrusters and podded engine, how would a navy ship move sideways in confined space?

Eric Leiderman · Post by **Eric Leiderman** » 09 Feb 2014 23:11

Singha
The vessel comes in bow first at a 60 to 90 deg angle to the jetty approx 10 mtrs off the jetty she drops anchor and sends a line ashore.
She then swings in using her screws and winches herself in for fine tuning.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 09 Feb 2014 23:57

Aditya G wrote:
Karan M wrote:Unbelievable and unenviable string of ship handling mishaps the IN seems to be having.

I doubt the safety record would have changed rapidly in a short time. Just that the media has caught on to it and each incident minor or major is being highlighted. IAF went thru the exact same trial by fire 10 years back till ACM Krishnaswamy controlled it.

It seems to me that several times such stories are leaked by MOD or Navy sources intentionally.

Could it be that Line of Succession being fixed with such mishaps , even minor ones, being leaked?

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 10 Feb 2014 16:31

Presently CO's are moving directly from small ships to large ones. Hopefully this should be addressed by new OPVs that will give COs ample sea time with (relatively) large ships.

Rudders & Screws are used to manoeuver while berthing.

Using tugs (or not) is the Captain's prerogative.

Also, ships berthed at docks do not use anchors. They use mooring lines.
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http://www.defensenews.com/article/2013 ... ar-Command
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Mooring buoys provide the cushioning between ships, or ships & the walls of the docks http://weeklyexam.in/wp-content/uploads ... t-2012.jpg

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 10 Feb 2014 18:30

My twice removed cousin sent this..

ONGC hands out a squadron of Immediate Support Vessels to Indian Navy
As a reinforcement to its commitment to provide safe and secure offshore operations, ONGC handed over a fleet of ISVs (Immediate Support Vessels) to the Indian navy for commissioning .This fleet of Seven ISVs (each of which can carry up to six navy commandos and a commanding officer) makes up an entire squadron and shall buttress the safety and security of the national assets at offshore and also thwart possible terror attacks.
The commissioning was carried out at the docks the Western Naval Command, at Mumbai on January 30, 2014. The ceremony which was carried out with full naval protocol was presided over by ONGC CMD Mr. Sudhir Vasudeva. Each of the commanding officers read out the commissioning warrant and the pennants were hoisted with full naval colours at a captivating ceremony.

Further details and photos in this link..
Link