An electronic target. Command signal can guide a missile against a simulated target.manjgu wrote:good point Sid !! what is used as the maneuvering target was my question?
Astra and Akash both have been tested against electronic targets.
An electronic target. Command signal can guide a missile against a simulated target.manjgu wrote:good point Sid !! what is used as the maneuvering target was my question?
In 2012, a couple of Akash tests against the Mirach failed... successful ones followed thereafter and the missile entered IAF service.Press release
12:23 am - Wednesday
Galileo Avionica strengthens its ties in India
New Delhi, India - Leasing contract for Mirach 100/5
(WAPA) - The company acquires a leasing contract for Mirach 100/5 while the Precision Approach Radar is operating in the Indian Air Force
Galileo Avionica, a Finmeccanica company, has been conducing a successful commercial strategy in India, proven by two important results.
On one hand, Galileo Avionica has signed a service contract relating to the radiotarget Mirach 100/5 for the Integrated Test Range (ITR) of the Indian Ministry of Defence.
The order representing a logistic support for Mirach 100/5, requires about 20 flights to be performed within one year for the qualification of arms systems. The contract has been won after a tight contest between some of the most important companies in the Defence field.
The order has more than a pure economic value. In fact, Galileo Avionica produced a starting-point for developing a long collaboration with India, setting up assumptions for the introduction of Mirach 100/5.
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http://www.avionews.com/index.php?co...ante=index.php
http://www.selex-sas.com/datasheets_ga/MIRACH_100.pdf
(00019) 070327122301-1071572 (World Aeronautical Press Agency - 2007-03-27 12:23 pm)
Vehicle has all-wheel drive chassis and employs unique Tatra's independent suspension with backbone tube frame and swinging half-axles. Each wheel moves up and down independently, which allows exceptional cross country mobility and higher speeds on rough roads. This unique chassis has been constantly developed and improved by Tatra for more than 80 years. A number of automotive components are interchangeable within the T815-7 range.
It is because of Tatra's swing angle suspension system. That is the angle when the wheels are taking no load as is the case during firing missiles when the truck stands on hydraulic "legs".Aditya_V wrote:Whyare the tyres of the Tatra truck at such an odd angle?
Karan M wrote:ROTFL, so Rout digs himself deeper, first he claimed that it was the INS and now shamefacedly cant admit he was wrong and says "first it was learnt.." and now blames the hydraulic system. Accurate reporting indeed.
Ramana, then he should have applied his own brains and been more critical before apportioning blame. Such irresponsible reportage calls the credibility of the Indian deterrent into question, and is then supported in his reports, by citing unnamed sources who do a lot of rhona dhona on how Agni is hence unproven, Indian xy gizmo doesnt work etc. The damage is done and the fixes are either not acknowledged by jokers like Rout or are used to pull down other programs.ramana wrote:Karan M wrote:ROTFL, so Rout digs himself deeper, first he claimed that it was the INS and now shamefacedly cant admit he was wrong and says "first it was learnt.." and now blames the hydraulic system. Accurate reporting indeed.
It might not be his fault all together. All reporters depend on sources and report what is fed to them. Most likely the early probable cause was the INS warmup and ruled out later. The more eggregious cause was the fin activation system. So its not the launcher as was stated earlier.
No it could be fretting/wear/corrosion of the actuator system that caused the non-deployment.
It takes ahwile to dig thru the telemetry data to pin point the true cause. As the launch is scrubbed for year it was a major deficiency that needs correction.
Good news as it could have led to flight mishap and lots of rhona dhona here.
Interesting. Source?Karan M wrote:
In 1999, one of the ISI honchos claimed a big motivation for the Kargil War was that they monitored Indian media and their constant negative reportage on Indian military and development programs led them to believe India was a paper tiger and would fall apart.
dinesha wrote:Now the culprit is metallurgy..
Hydraulic Snags Led to Night Trial Failure of Agni-I Missile
http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/ ... 073033.ece
By Hemant Kumar Rout - BALASORE Published: 23rd February 2014
Even as the defence authorities are tight-lipped on the reasons of
the failure of surface-to-surface medium range ballistic missile
Agni-I night trial, sources attributed it to metallurgical malfunction
and snags in the hydraulic system.
Sources said after an abortive mission on February 18, the 700-
km range missile was to be test-fired from Wheeler Island off the
Odisha coast next evening. But the strategic forces command
(SFC) was forced to postpone the test for indefinite period due to
some technical glitches in the missile system.
Initially while it was learnt that the faults in ‘not-up-to-the-mark’
Indian inertial navigation system (INS) led to postponement of the
first night user trial of the nuclear capable missile, a scientist
associated with the mission pointed fingers at manufacturing
faults in the missile.
Talking to ‘The Express’, he said manufacturing and metallurgical
faults triggered hydraulics problems in the missile system thereby
forcing the armed forces authorities to put off the trial only 18
seconds prior to the test schedule.
Hydraulics help open the wings and fins in the missile system. The
wings and fins were not being opened that day. Sensing further
trouble, the mission was postponed.
However, the scientists have been asked to rectify the faults and
make the mission ready for trial within next one year.
“The armed forces would definitely not want to take further risk.
The body of the missile has to be changed as the metallurgical
malfunction could lead to another fiasco. Besides, the INS has also
to be checked properly,” he added.
Defence Journal - the (un)official spokesmag of the PA establishment during the 1990s and early-mid 2000s. An article appeared quoting (per memory) Javed Nasir.partha wrote:Interesting. Source?Karan M wrote:
In 1999, one of the ISI honchos claimed a big motivation for the Kargil War was that they monitored Indian media and their constant negative reportage on Indian military and development programs led them to believe India was a paper tiger and would fall apart.
It is possible the IA wants both configurations for different use.Karan M wrote:Rohit, I have constantly heard from IA associated sources that the IA wants a lighter MRSAM for the entire Cold Start stuff & that the Akash was to be used for a more conventional, "static" role, perhaps to secure existing HQ, C3I behind the faster moving formations. Because of that, perhaps the midway solution was to put Akash on lighter trucks, than the heavier T-72s. These are definitely not IAF ones because IAF Akash are fired from trailers towed by different trucks.
while I am all for any idea that involves pounding the enemy, wouldnt the Agni1 flight profile make it tough to disambiguate if a n-payload or not. if the PLA is using a mix of conventional and n- on their DF15 and DF21 I am all for it though.gnair wrote:A canistered Agni-1 with 1 tonne flowers ( either conventional or other wise) is beginning to emerge as an option not just on the Western border but the North East too. It's got the perfect range to severely disrupt, deny and permanently damage the adversaries logistics footprint for sustained combat operations. That includes garrisons, bridges, air bases, rail hubs. There shouldn't be any man-in-the-loop flying in this battle space till at least 30-40 of them are let go before the SEAD folks go in to tango.
Nothing like a single stage Ballist.Miss. stocked up and ready for action at quick notice on the border especially with the ever improving CEP's we are hearing off. Time to show them a lesson or two from their own play book (like what they've been doing to Taiwan in the last decade).
So Agni-1 in the emerging threat scenario is not Abdul specific any more like a few years ago.
partha, the IAF has already inducted two squadrons, one at Gwalior and the oher at Lohegaon. Six more are being inducted mainly along the borders. The current series of tests is for the army. IIRC, they were supposed to be inducted by end of 2012.partha wrote:Wiki says and I also remember reading many reports over the years about squadrons of Akash being inducted into the armed forces. What is then the new report about the latest test being pre induction test? Can anyone please clarify?
Not that far!Aditya_V wrote:Can an Akash Launcher be placed 35km in front of Rajendra and a missile be guided to a Target say 50Km away from the Rajendra?
It looks like the IA Akash wheeled variant is operationally setup like the Air Force variant. Both of these wheeled deployments seem to be in a group mode with 3D-CAR and two batteries to defend static/semi-static areas/formations. No BSR for battery.vaibhav.n wrote:The TOE for an Akash Air Force Squadron is fairly straight forward as shown.
Akash Air Force Squadron
Squadron Headquarters
Technical Flight
A Flight
B Flight
Where differences crop up are with the Akash SAM tracked variant and its wheeled cousin.
Here we have a Battery level configuration where each battery has 4 Self Propelled Launchers along with an Battery level Surveillance and Locating Radars being carried. With 4 Batteries to a Missile Group, a single SAM Group in the IA would be able to deploy 16 Akash Self Propelled Launchers (Tracked). I do not think they carry over the Troop concept prevalent over the rest of the AAD.
Akash Missile Battery Tracked
The IA Akash wheeled variant is however more powerful, presumably for loss of mobility or otherwise. Here a Missile Battery has 2 Troops each with its own Troop level radars and 4 Akash Army Launchers.
Thus a Akash Missile Regiment with the standard 3 Missile Batteries could deploy as many as 24 Akash Launchers. These could be a part of the Air Defence Brigades in the IA although IA Air Defence Brigades were with Flak and Composite Missile Regiments last i heard.
Akash Missile Battery Wheeled