Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-370 goes missing

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 15 Mar 2014 03:08

This is now worrying, looks like some one intentionally changed the course. The probability of plane having landed somewhere is increasing.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 15 Mar 2014 03:32

Maybe the pilot (the chap who was heavily into flight sims) was depressed by the political news (Anwar Ibrahim's sodomy verdict. seems that this case has been going on for a decade or more) and lived out one of his fantasies; maybe he had a psychotic breakdown. The newbie copilot didn't quite figure out what was happening but when he finally wised up it was too late. So the odds of it having crashed somewhere in the ocean seems the best one, maybe preceded by cockpit drama and terror.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 15 Mar 2014 04:00

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ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 15 Mar 2014 04:14

If we assume that the plane was being commandeered by the flight-sim-expert pilot (still too many unknowns to say for sure), who was also a real pilot and not just some wannbe pilot, we have to assume that he knew what he was doing. He must have thought through the entire scenario including the end game. He must have known how long and how far the plane can fly at different altitudes. The possibility of him making a rookie mistake are low.
Also, the possibility of him wanting to splash the plane into deep Indian Ocean waters, far away from everyone, just doesn't make sense. If he wanted to make a statement, he would have wanted to do it in front of the world. No need to fly off course for that.
The plan must have been to land the plane on a specific airfield or fly the plane onto a specific target. And with the pilot's expertise, he must have either succeeded in his plan or gotten real close.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 04:17

'Gappaji (sorry couldn't resist that.. ur illustrious namesake from the 1960s..)

Only read needed is "Goodbye California". Guaranteed to keep u awake in present situation. More horribly, read "Black Shrike".

So I maintain that US NSC is reading BRF and using it for their Media Relations dept. See how they now say that the plane must have turned either north (Burma Route) or south (SL Route) from Last Ping Pong. See Enn Enn shows nice fans spreading out north and south.

Exactly what UB CT-Anal-e-sis Inc reported some hours pehle. The lag in imitating us is now down to 3-4 hours!

But they are still claiming that the flight crashed after all that. Doesn't make sense. Didn't the Flt Sim lessons include landing, just like the 9-11 turds' "flight lessons"? Why? What were they going to hit in these parts??? In 9-11 case the terrorists did not need landing lessons because they were accomplished military pilots, the reflex actions enabling kiss-smooth landings would have alerted instructors within 3 landings.

Added: Note that there is still NOOOO evidence to back "crash". Actually MUCH LESS than there was yesterday. Yesterday it was "pings ended". Now that's out the window: it has occurred to them that the pinging stopped only because the plane was about to turn, JUST LIKE HAPPENED at 1:22AM. Duh!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Mar 2014 04:33

Saral wrote:Maybe the pilot (the chap who was heavily into flight sims) was depressed by the political news (Anwar Ibrahim's sodomy verdict. seems that this case has been going on for a decade or more) and lived out one of his fantasies; maybe he had a psychotic breakdown. The newbie copilot didn't quite figure out what was happening but when he finally wised up it was too late. So the odds of it having crashed somewhere in the ocean seems the best one, maybe preceded by cockpit drama and terror.

The copilot was not a newbie.

He was experienced with around approx 2800 flight hours under his belt. No way that he did not know what was happening right from the beginning. Either one of them could have just as easily carried out the scenario as outlined.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 15 Mar 2014 04:38

no problem Batura ji
we Man Golis respect each other
All is All Mitti in the end as they say in Kazakh tents
Carry on Doc

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 15 Mar 2014 04:47

UlanBatori wrote:
So I maintain that US NSC is reading BRF and using it for their Media Relations dept. See how they now say that the plane must have turned either north (Burma Route) or south (SL Route) from Last Ping Pong. See Enn Enn shows nice fans spreading out north and south.

Exactly what UB CT-Anal-e-sis Inc reported some hours pehle. The lag in imitating us is now down to 3-4 hours!

But they are still claiming that the flight crashed after all that.

Shhh... Shhh...
Do not reveal too much. This has been known for the last 10 years

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 15 Mar 2014 05:06

UlanBatori wrote:'More horribly, read "Black Shrike".

Also sold under "Dark Crusader" title on Hyd footpaths which was the original title but in yoooess it became title in red.(IIRC and all that).

So it is instead of ping-pong diplomacy it is ping-pong jeehard.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Mar 2014 05:08

Who is this Ulanbatori ji. Looks like very famous chinnan from the past. The writing style resembles so much. Being secluded to politics onleee these days missed a lot it looks like

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Saral · Post by **Saral** » 15 Mar 2014 05:24

chetak wrote:
Saral wrote:Maybe the pilot (the chap who was heavily into flight sims) was depressed by the political news (Anwar Ibrahim's sodomy verdict. seems that this case has been going on for a decade or more) and lived out one of his fantasies; maybe he had a psychotic breakdown. The newbie copilot didn't quite figure out what was happening but when he finally wised up it was too late. So the odds of it having crashed somewhere in the ocean seems the best one, maybe preceded by cockpit drama and terror.
The copilot was not a newbie.

He was experienced with around approx 2800 flight hours under his belt. No way that he did not know what was happening right from the beginning. Either one of them could have just as easily carried out the scenario as outlined.

Copilot was newbie to 777. More important, he was likely member of mile-high club. It was late night. Pilot made his mind when to take off into the new course (when copilot is not active or busy with some female). See below for example of what happened earlier this year.

on February 17, when the co-pilot of an Ethiopian Airlines commercial flight between Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, and Rome took over the plane when the lead pilot went to the bathroom. The co-pilot flew the plane to Geneva, Switzerland, where he landed and asked for asylum.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 15 Mar 2014 05:27

From Adm. Arun Prakash:

n India, Adm. Arun Prakash, a retired naval chief of staff who was posted in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, said it was unlikely that military radar at two locations in the island chain would have yielded any valuable data. They are the only two radar stations in a chain of 576 islands, and they take in data on Indian airspace, not Strait of Malacca.

“We are assuming that the radars were on 24 hours,” Prakash said. “These things cost money. They are machines. They rotate all day. This was in the middle of the night. If we had prior information, then maybe. It is unlikely that it was on for 24 hours.”

He said it was “unlikely that the aircraft overflew Andaman and Nicobar.”

The admiral said the Indian military was likely struggling with the sprawling search area, which may expand north into the Bay of Bengal at the request of the Malaysian navy. So far five Indian vessels and four aircraft have been deployed, with a fifth ship arriving Saturday.

“We need some definite location, a starting point to undertake the search of this nature,” Prakash said. “So far, the information that has been made available to us is quite vague, even though the direction in which they say it flew falls within our jurisdiction. It is inadequate. We can keep searching till next year. It is like looking for a needle in the haystack. The plane is supposed to have flown for two to three hours. For all you know it could have reached Sri Lanka. It is a hit-and-miss situation for us.”

The admiral said 1,000 Indian seamen were now taking part in the search.

“We are looking for little pieces that can float, pieces of human body, life jackets, seat cushions in that vast stretch. It is very difficult,” he said. And there is a limit on how much manpower and money the Indian government will be able to expend, he said.

“All we have from Malaysia is ‘we think we saw the aircraft heading in that general direction.’ This by itself may not be worth searching for too long,” Prakash said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mis ... ml?hpid=z1

vina · Post by **vina** » 15 Mar 2014 05:28

This sounds like the Kandhahar hijack again. The Malaysians are not talking and clamming up , that is all. The plane probably landed somewhere (Indonesia/Burma, take your pick) and the engines and power shut down, leading to everything going cold and no signals to pick up.

The crew and passengers probably taken off the aircraft and held in some barracks kind of thing.. Trouble is the B777 is quite a big plane and needs a sizeable hanger to hold it and keep it away from prying eyes. The plane cannot simply be anywhere. Any isolated landing strip within 5000 km radius would have been satellite searched by now. There is no way, the plane crossed Andamans. It went north (Burma, and China) or south (to the drink and davy jones locker) .

The Chinese Farting and Bull Shitting and their ten satellites and "less advanced Vietnam and Malaysia" and their oh so superior China will be the butt of jokes , meant strictly for the consumption of enslaved local idiots in China, which of course the Xinhua of Mount Road, Al-Hundi faithfully reproduces without even checking how idiotic it sounds.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 15 Mar 2014 05:29

A worthie by the name of "CaliAtenza" is saddened by the anti-US CTs here and has shared this thread link on the Airliners.net forum . I believe is a US-born desi based on his earlier posts in airliners.net forum, or he is a MUTU. Typical "india is corrupt, bad, dusty, unclean, forced to go there " kind of person

a worthie on airliners.net wrote: if you think its gone insane on A.net, have a peak over here:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6757

some crazy theories, but almost all of them involve the US doing something nefarious. Kinda sick of seeing the same thing over and over at that forum .

He is sick of the "anti-US posts" here, but can't resist coming back again and again.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 05:29

Watching Maasa news after a long time. CNN has been covering this for the last 2 hours now. They are ruling out catastrophic events.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Mar 2014 05:47

Now the question is - why is all this information coming out only a week after the plane vanished?????

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Mar 2014 05:52

A former security guy on CNN in the passing mentioned Malaysia has a problem with Islamic fundamentalism, and that Malaysia was sensitive about 911 as the first meeting happened in Kulala Lampur.

Guru log, a naive question. Whether the plane disintegrated in the air or if it submerged fully in deep waters, would there be floating debris in the latter case?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Mar 2014 05:53

The previous person mentioned, the one who has had an experience with explosive decompression, continued:

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... l#comments

Yes, the copilot made it, but his aviation days were over.

This occurred in a military aircraft, we were hauling a navy nuke device back to Norfolk for maintenance. During the first part of the dive the controls were jammed by debris, and I could do little more than gaze out the windscreen as down town Tucson got bigger and bigger. Interesting day.

He added

Any Bad Guy capable of executing a caper based on 370, would have no need to go to navigation way points, as a matter of fact it would be counter productive on multiple fronts.

He would just use a GPS unit to go direct to whatever destination was needed. Portable aviation GPS units can be had for $!,000, and they will take you anywhere on the planet.

and points out

However, one point of interest I haven't seen discussed, which could have a major bearing on the case.

Flt 370 was apparently limited to only 210 passengers, some 70 or 80 less than it could carry. If true, that indicates tp me, it was jam packed with heavy cargo. Now say, oh, if it was carrying $250 million dollars worth of gold or platinum to the lords of China. Or maybe the cargo was 50,000 pounds of lithium cell phone batteries, that caught fire because of improper packing. Well ,now you would have some motives for all kinds of bad things.

Not saying this is true, but I would have thought by now the cargo would have been discussed. funny how none of the authorities have discussed it. I can fully understand the morons of the MSM missing it.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 15 Mar 2014 06:10

Unless there is a GPS sensor in the monitoring system that transmits position of the engine via satlink, there is no easy way they could triangulate the signal to figure out where it came from.

The only way I can think of improvising a method to find out where the last transmission came from is if the Sat that receives the engine status had an electronically steerable antenna AND if they have raw signals from each element of the steerable array. They can then post process these signal and figure out the direction of max strength.

I do not think Sats carry steerable antennas, I maybe wrong.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 06:41

Muppallaji, welcome back.

It went from 23000' to 45000' .

The guy must have flown for a Navy or Air Force, or taken too many AE Flight Mechanics courses. This is the way to obtain max endurance. Engine performance is best at lower altitudes; drag is lower at higher altitudes. So the algorithm says increase power at low altitudes and climb, then slowly glide back down at low power setting. He was not in any great hurry, but needed to stay airborne for a longer time. Maybe range is also increased by this, I don't remember.

About this cargo thing. Didn't know the aircraft had maxed out at 210 passengers: "Limited"? How does he know? 70 passengers = ~ 70*65 kilos = 4500 kilos or 4.5 tons. Yes, but why is this ultra-remarkable I don't know. Yes, UB CTs had postulated early on that this was the Ukraine Gold Reserves, being transferred directly to US' creditors. Also saw another report that China had bought up a lot of US gold reserves. Quite possible that this was a straight StageCoach Holdup. Modern equivalent of train robbery or hitting a Spanish galleon coming back from South America. Bad prognosis for passengers.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 15 Mar 2014 06:51

SwamyG wrote:Watching Maasa news after a long time. CNN has been covering this for the last 2 hours now. They are ruling out catastrophic events.

Ditto. I have long given up on maasa news propaganda, except browsing through NYT headlines and business/technology section over coffee. CNN is usually at its best during times like this where they have reporters all over the place, and give the latest details. Anyway, I am no expert, but I do know maasa in and out (AmberJi doesn't think so though

), and to this end, its in maasa's supreme national interests to have this be anything but some catastrophic mechanical/electrical/structural failure. Simply because Boeing's reputation is at stake, and with large number of emerging economy countries as potential buyers of jets, Boeing could take a hit if this turns out to be some catastrophic on-board failure, and Airbus could gain. So while I am learning a lot from the experts on CNN, I keep this at the back of mind. Plus, if this was sabotage, or that would be the conclusion reached persuasive or not to us passive observers, more $s for homeland security, defense industry etc.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Mar 2014 06:51

UlanBatori wrote: How does he know? 70 passengers = ~ 70*65 kilos = 4500 kilos or 4.5 tons.

Plus the weight of luggage for 70 passengers.

Yes, but why is this ultra-remarkable I don't know.

MSM is going on about motives, theft is the easiest one to think of, if the plane was carrying something that readily convertible into piles of cash.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 15 Mar 2014 06:55

UlanBatori wrote:5.5 quake in Andaman Sea.

How come now when the USS Kidd (DDG 100) is close at hand.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color ... a-1.513163

sanjeevs · Post by **sanjeevs** » 15 Mar 2014 06:58

A_Gupta wrote: MSM is going on about motives, theft is the easiest one to think of, if the plane was carrying something that readily convertible into piles of cash.

Either readily convertible to cash or bartered for something else, like armaments maybe

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 06:58

But stealing expensive cargo bound for Beijing does not seem like a terribly smart thing to do, does it? Interesting. A terrorist organization/ Freedom Fighter gang with a $B bankroll. And Beijing after them, in PRC's backyard.

vina · Post by **vina** » 15 Mar 2014 06:59

Bloomberg : Missing Malaysian Plane tracked to Ocean 1000 KMs west of Australia - Perth

Hmm, so, after crossing the Thai/Malaysian thin strip of ocean, the plane turns south , doesn't cross Andaman chain (surely to be discovered) and flies off into the blue yonder and into the drink all the way south. This will be in quite deep waters.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 07:09

If it was anything slower, it would seem quite sure to have landed and had stuff offloaded, then pushed off a cliff or scuttled. But would YOU plan a heist that depended on someone who takes over a plane at 1AM, being able to land on water at 160mph, 6/7 hours later? And if the landing did not go well, it would be in deep water with no hope of recovery. I can't understand.

Maybe they have landed somewhere, and when it takes off again there will be 450 armed Freedom Fighters on board. Can a force that small take over a country?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Mar 2014 07:11

UlanBatori wrote:But stealing expensive cargo bound for Beijing does not seem like a terribly smart thing to do, does it? Interesting. A terrorist organization/ Freedom Fighter gang with a $B bankroll. And Beijing after them, in PRC's backyard.

Why do bank robbers rob banks? Because that's where the money is.

It turns out the plane was carry a significant load of lithium batteries.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world ... t-370.html
The NYT reports:

Investigators also are looking at the possibility that a shipment of lithium batteries in the cargo hold may have caught fire and felled the aircraft. A senior American official who had been briefed on the contents listed on the plane’s cargo manifest said a “significant load” of lithium batteries had been aboard — raising suspicions because of previous cargo-plane crashes attributed to lithium battery shipments, which can overheat and cause intense fires. But that possibility is inconsistent with information that the plane may have kept flying for hours after it vanished.

But to me, the most suspicious thing, even more suspicious than the plane's mysterious disappearance is - why is all this information coming out a week after the plane vanished?????

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Mar 2014 07:12

vina wrote:Bloomberg : Missing Malaysian Plane tracked to Ocean 1000 KMs west of Australia - Perth

Hmm, so, after crossing the Thai/Malaysian thin strip of ocean, the plane turns south , doesn't cross Andaman chain (surely to be discovered) and flies off into the blue yonder and into the drink all the way south. This will be in quite deep waters.

It may have been deep water towed there in the last three days after the botched opps.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 15 Mar 2014 07:16

When you are travelling from Kaula Lampur city to airport by train you will see a lot of Japanese companies like Panasonic, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba factories/ warehouses along the track . We also know that Malaysia manufactures lot of Energizer Bunnies (after closing Plant in VT), Duracell etc batteries

Could it be possible that the cargo had some kind of new Lithium Batteries fro shipment to PRC as QEM in electronic products that caused the fire in the cargo hold?

Ulan Batori saar no disrespect I have great respect for you and fellow comrades of country who shoot arrows riding the wrong way ( I mean horses)

vina · Post by **vina** » 15 Mar 2014 07:17

Maybe they have landed somewhere, and when it takes off again there will be 450 armed Freedom Fighters on board. Can a force that small take over a country?

Yes. Like Maldives.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 15 Mar 2014 07:20

A couple of experienced pilot types on CNN voiced misgivings about all this weird data coming out now and seriously doubted if the aircraft could withstand the kind of altitude changes being mentioned.

Now there are two potential flight paths being discussed based on INMARSAT pings--one north of the Andamans going towards Bangladesh and one South of Great Nicobar going into the South Indian Ocean, both not crossing over A&N.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 15 Mar 2014 07:26

UlanBatori wrote:But stealing expensive cargo bound for Beijing does not seem like a terribly smart thing to do, does it? Interesting. A terrorist organization/ Freedom Fighter gang with a $B bankroll. And Beijing after them, in PRC's backyard.

Cargo packing may not have been up to "code". When cargo was being talked of, there was news of flamable materials not being loaded right, moving or catching fire. Cargo angles are just now reappearing. Its still more of -- they put more weight than allowed, may be something came loose or otherwise caused a problem -- than value of the cargo.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 07:27

Ghoulish hypothesis: Lithium batteries caught fire, plane dived into some ravine/quicksand/small pool trying to return to airport. Like ValuJet crash. Pieces scattered. Flock of geese on the way from KL to Mecca found a shiny object, picked it up and flew. Emitted "Ping!" "Ping!" at intervals. Eventually the radiation felled the bird carrying it.
Wait a minute. What geese fly at 400 mph at 45000 feet? Never mind... Maybe Magic Carpets.

What about this TWO flight paths per INMARSAT? So the left engine went south and the right engine went north? I go back to my bird hypothesis. Maybe the 777 landed in Thailand, and was stripped bare inside 2 hours. Bare 777 pushed into a lake. Then all the stuff was packed into 2 bizjets, that flew in tight formation (same radar blip) till close to the Andamans, and then diverged paths. One went to Myanmar, the other went south to SL. Unfortunately they also stole some transponders that went Ping! Ping! International (terrorist) collaboration. No comment on fate of passengers.

Incidentally, as we posted yesterdin, INMARSAT is what picks up the SITA signals from the engines, the pakistan flushes etc.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Mar 2014 07:33

UlanBatori wrote: What about this TWO flight paths per INMARSAT?

Probably the satellite ping only narrows down location to a line/long-narrow-rectangle.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:38

That climb to 45,000 ft and then a "rapid descent to 20K feet in less than a minute"
This tells me that the plane was flying itself.
The pilots, if they were alive or concious were not in control of the plane.
Somewhere I've heard of a dive-steadying movement-dive movement, similar to Jernail Zia-ullu-Haq's C-130 before he met his 72.
This plane sort of did the same? some news outlet mentioned this apparently.

Maybe a Hijack gone wrong, so those multiple waypoints, including a direction straight to Phuket, then a change directly to Port Blair. Maybe someone was trying to find a neutral airport to land at.

More likely a catastrophic fire/explosion that progressively incapacitated the plane, the autopilot was probably flying the plane, until it ran out of fuel and hit the ocean.

I wonder if the passengers were concious after that ascent and descent to and from 45,000 Ft! Can't imagine the horror!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:39

They say on CNN that they've narrowed the plane down to its last one hour based on its pings.
It pinged, which the satellite picked up, then did not ping when it was due one hour later.
Narrows the search area to the box in the Indian ocean heading towards Australia.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:44

And it is possible that the Arihant and or the Akula are at sea and massa has "created" the north search box in the bay of bengal.
Both India and Massa and everyone will deny this of course.
The US has the most sophisticated assets deployed here. Their intel agencies along with the malaysians probably know by now what happened.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 15 Mar 2014 07:45

Heading towards AUSTRALIA? That's the Indian Ocean on the other side of Malaysia.
Also,

"rapid descent to 20K feet in less than a minute"

????

Yes, I agree, that is not a controlled motion. A couple of those and it may have started to come apart.

25000 feet in 60 seconds? 5 miles in 1 minute? That's a vertical velocity of 300 mph, which is close to half the speed of sound. I agree, that's not a human pilot. Djinns for sure had control.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Mar 2014 07:48

Oh and Boeing and Airbus will now convince all airlines to go in for full coverage for all their planes. It appears that Malaysian Airlines had not subscribed to the full services of updating data from the plane to Boeing's servers.
The Air France flight was updating Airbus regularly upto the point it disintegrated on hitting the water. So Airbus and the French knew a lot about what had probably happened.
I suppose they will include GPS data henceforth, this is totally absurd! In this day and age, a huge plane disappears and one week down the line no one knows WTF it is!