India Media role in contempt and derision about India

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 27 Mar 2014 22:27

The day will never come when Indian media refer to white people as colourless folk in the same sense as folk being coloured. Or refer to Germany as being governed by a Christian party.

The default position is the New York Times narrative where sense and rationality prevail. Never mind that an exalted media production, Zero Dark Thirty, shows many Muslims but not one Christian.

Indian self perception remains derivative. Why should the medi be any different?

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 27 Mar 2014 22:32

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/1-in-4- ... 797700.cms

Here is the latest work. Don't know whether it's ironic or hypocritical or both. More on this in an edit later on as I am constrained atm.

Edit:

About Irony:
Yes history needs to be re-written in India, but not in the closest way that this author imagines!

About Hypocrisy:
Calling Indians ignoramuses while being a top in the line ignoramus about the history.

About White-validation:
Biasless interpretation of what a gora survey and report said. Other than chastising us unwashed heathens by quoting the report verbatim, there is no attempt to critically view what the report actually mentioned.

Also note the highlighting (in a positive way) the statistics on how many Indians viewed briturdistan positively. :puke-smiley-needed:

On a side note: who pays for this kind of thing, UK for all we know has a bunch of binge drinking morons and is on its way to oblivion. It must be the "Stiff-upper-lipped-colonial-apologist" society or something that might have done this.

Mar 27, 2014, 08.32PM IST TNN[ Kounteya Sinha ]

More than 1.4 million Indians fought as part of the British forces making the contingent Britain’s biggest volunteer army.
LONDON: Indians are in dire need of a crash course in history, as far as World War One (WW1) is concerned.

Over 1 in 4 Indians have revealed that they believe India was fighting the British and against the UK in the WW1. In reality, India was actually part of Britain when the war started in 1914 (2014 being the centenary of the great war).

More than 1.4 million Indians fought as part of the British forces making the contingent Britain's biggest volunteer army. During the course of the war, over 100,000 Indians were killed or wounded by the war's end.

As part of its commemoration to mark 100 years of the war, the British Council commissioned YouGov to carry out a survey among the adult populations of Egypt, France, Germany, India, Russia, Turkey and the UK to gauge their knowledge surrounding the war.

The report says "When asked which country India was fighting for, 27% assumed that the country was fighting against the UK. The largest contribution to Britain's war effort came from India. The total number of Indian troops amounted to some 1.4-1.5 million men, serving in France, East Africa, Mesopotamia and Egypt".

Another interesting myth that emerged was that 78% of French respondents assumed India was neutral, when, in fact, India provided over 1.4 million soldiers - many of them to defend French soil.

Majority of Indians also weren't aware that Mahatma Gandhi's first civil disobedience campaign against British authority in 1919 stemmed from the unrealised hope that India's contribution to WW1 of around 1.5 million men would be honored with a transition to self-government.

The report says "Mahatma Gandhi and Muhammad Ali Jinnah assumed that Britain would honour India's contribution to the war with a transition to self-government. Their expectations were dashed in November 1918 with the extension of martial law".

"In February 1919, Gandhi launched his first India-wide campaign of civil disobedience against British authority. By the outbreak of the Second World War, resistance efforts redoubled. Indian nationalists, under the auspices of the 'Quit India' movement, were not going to risk their lives in a British war effort twice with little tangible return".

This perhaps, the report says, explains the way in which the First World War gives rise to negative perceptions of the UK for some in India. {What this also means is that the mass-murdering nature of the Empire has not sunk into the pig-headed phucks who created this 'survey'}

For the survey, there were 7,488 responses - Egypt (1,052), France (1,029), Germany (1,070), India (1,215), Russia (1,019), Turkey (1,022) and the UK (1,081).

The research revealed a widespread lack of understanding of the global scale.

The report "Remember The World As Well As The War" shows that knowledge of the conflict is limited.

In the UK, less than 22% of the 1081 people questioned were aware that Asia was involved.

The report also revealed the extent to which it still influences overseas views of the UK.

Around 45% of people questioned in India said the UK's role in the war has a positive effect on how they view the UK today.
Almost three quarters of people (72%) across the seven countries surveyed believe their country is still affected by the consequences of the war. {This is rather sad and funny! A war 100 years ago influences how UK is looked at and not what it REALLY did to India. Indians do need a crash course in history. It should not be 45% but 0%. And that too, ideally the survey people should have been shooed off }

Only 1 in 3 Indians (34%) knew that the location of the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, which sparked the war, was Sarajevo.

A large majority of Indians (75%) feel broadly positive towards the UK. In contrast, when asked about their attitudes with reference to the UK's role in WW1, over one in 10 state that these have a negative (11%) effect on their views of the country today.

The war certainly started in Europe. On 28 June 1914 in Sarajevo, Gavrilo Princip,a Bosnian Serb student, assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Habsburg throne, and his wife Sophie, hoping to end Austria-Hungary's rule over Bosnia-Herzegovina. Exactly one month later, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia.{This was nothing but a EU-War and not WWI and it should be called such.}

A series of alliances rapidly brought Germany, France, Belgium, Russia and the UK into the conflict, which, within a week, became what we now know as the WW1. Thats it folks: Germany, France, Belgium, Russia, Briturdia == WORLD

Economically, the contributions from different parts of empires were crucial for Britain during the war.

By 1917, Canada provided Britain with half its shrapnel, 42% of its 4.5-inch shells and 25% of its 6-inch shells; 97% of Australia's meat was consumed in Britain during the war while India's jute supply was turned into sandbags.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Mar 2014 06:55

sanjaykumar wrote: Indian self perception remains derivative. Why should the medi be any different?

Absolutely. The media arise from within Indian society and media personalities have the same education and self-perception about western capability and Indian incapability that all Indians are taught - so their stories - which reach so many people, are full of the same self doubt about Indians and confidence about non Indian opinion and capability.

For all their reach and clout the media are only a subset of larger Indian society. I have met a retired army officer who referred hesitantly and apologetically about his own belief system because it involves idols which Indians have been taught to consider as false and unnecessary. We need an entire new paradigm where we redefine clichés that have been drummed in as being undesirable and needing correction.

Our personalities are moulded in a manner that makes it easy for us to be freely and unhesitatingly contemptuous of Indian society and actions, while mental checks and balances kick into action long before we look critically at information that is fed to us from literature and media in the west.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Mar 2014 08:21

Yeah sure, Indians worship idols but Christians worship through icons.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 28 Mar 2014 19:13

A major advantage of japan and china unlike India is the language of everyday discourse nor the language of those who aspire to the intellegtsia is the freedom from English.

A coming of age delight of most Indians is the discovery of what westerners really think of them. Multiarmed gods, holy cows, poverty, caste systems, white man's burden.

The major corpus is in English. India's feeble publishing industry is not motivated to challenge the prevalent Indian dogma. Indians' karma won't be running over the west's dogma anytime soon.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Mar 2014 20:50

>>Only 1 in 3 Indians (34%) knew that the location of the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, which sparked the war, was Sarajevo.

Hmm... sounds utterly accurate. This is to say that one in three people in Tachampara town in Palakkad district, piss close to the border of Mannarkad district, knows not just that Archduke Franz Ferdinand is not a string of syllables that sounds like a death-rattle fart, but that he was married to Sophie, and (much more to the point) was killed in that city which is as well recognised in Tachampara (Karnataka) as in Tirunelveli (Orissa) - Yes, Sarajevo wonly macha.

Now, I don't want to be a McCaulayite elitist, but the above is absolute bloody nonsense for sure - unless I'm so far removed from the "true" India that I live on another bloody planet. It'll be a bloody miracle if 34% of Indians know who exactly Tikka Khan was (no not the dish on the menu under Chicken 69, and no, not a new fast-food chain either), let alone "Archduke" Franz Ferdinand... The sample used seems to have been extracted from Dalrymple's oiseaule, probably by Sardesai.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Mar 2014 23:05

LokeshC, Thanks for the article. It shows how India's contribution to WWI and WWII is not acknowledged by the prime beneficiaries (Anglo-Saxons and Western Europeans) and also by elite in India.

I think the article should be posted in Indo-UK thread as is for reference.

Again thanks.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Mar 2014 00:52

ramana, Thanks.

Other than the distortions in the report (which is expected in any gora/west funded survey/statistics bizinej), what I found amusing was the verbatim quote of the survey results with absolutely no attempt at interpreting it from an Indian POV.

I would have wanted the journo to ask the following questions and wonder why the survey failed in asking them:
1) How did everything mentioned in the survey REALLY impact India?
2) What price did the jute farmers of Kerala and Bengal pay for WWI?
3) What price did the Bengalis pay for WWII?
4) What price did we as a nation state pay for Briturdia crippling industrialization in India?

In the hurry to get brownie points from the west, these namaak-haraam ch()()ths (pardon my language) have completely white washed our side of the narratives.

sanjaykumar wrote:A major advantage of japan and china unlike India is the language of everyday discourse nor the language of those who aspire to the intellegtsia is the freedom from English.

A coming of age delight of most Indians is the discovery of what westerners really think of them. Multiarmed gods, holy cows, poverty, caste systems, white man's burden.

The major corpus is in English. India's feeble publishing industry is not motivated to challenge the prevalent Indian dogma. Indians' karma won't be running over the west's dogma anytime soon.

+100, there used to be debates here (on the UK thread) about English being the language of the elites and the monitory power centers of India.

This is a bane, which we need to convert into a boon by creating two things (advice from an armchair general ha ha)
1) Alternative voice that presents our side of history (Rajiv Malhotraji is a step in that direction)
2) Alternate source of funding for alternate media. (Infra not in place yet)

Ultimately for a secure long term fate, we do need to create monitory networks that are independent and uncoupled from the west and use it to support infrastructure that puts out our point of view. No way out of it. Social media has leveled playing ground to some extent but its not enough.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 29 Mar 2014 01:07

shiv wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote: Indian self perception remains derivative. Why should the medi be any different?
Absolutely. The media arise from within Indian society and media personalities have the same education and self-perception about western capability and Indian incapability that all Indians are taught - so their stories - which reach so many people, are full of the same self doubt about Indians and confidence about non Indian opinion and capability.

For all their reach and clout the media are only a subset of larger Indian society. I have met a retired army officer who referred hesitantly and apologetically about his own belief system because it involves idols which Indians have been taught to consider as false and unnecessary. We need an entire new paradigm where we redefine clichés that have been drummed in as being undesirable and needing correction.

Our personalities are moulded in a manner that makes it easy for us to be freely and unhesitatingly contemptuous of Indian society and actions, while mental checks and balances kick into action long before we look critically at information that is fed to us from literature and media in the west.

In the battle of perceptions, the west wins. But that due to assortment of tools used in propaganda. An average educated westerner is just a bit more ignorant than any uneducated villager any where in India. I remember when university challenge was showing the first episode on television in India presided by Siddharth Basu, they invited the winning English team who was soundly defeated in 3 separate episodes by 3 different Indian university teams.

Awe of the white skin is perhaps one of the significant factors, why the Macaulaylised people feel west can do no wrong.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 29 Mar 2014 01:19

JE Menon wrote:>>Only 1 in 3 Indians (34%) knew that the location of the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife Sophie, which sparked the war, was Sarajevo.

Hmm... sounds utterly accurate. This is to say that one in three people in Tachampara town in Palakkad district, piss close to the border of Mannarkad district, knows not just that Archduke Franz Ferdinand is not a string of syllables that sounds like a death-rattle fart, but that he was married to Sophie, and (much more to the point) was killed in that city which is as well recognised in Tachampara (Karnataka) as in Tirunelveli (Orissa) - Yes, Sarajevo wonly macha.

Now, I don't want to be a McCaulayite elitist, but the above is absolute bloody nonsense for sure - unless I'm so far removed from the "true" India that I live on another bloody planet. It'll be a bloody miracle if 34% of Indians know who exactly Tikka Khan was (no not the dish on the menu under Chicken 69, and no, not a new fast-food chain either), let alone "Archduke" Franz Ferdinand... The sample used seems to have been extracted from Dalrymple's oiseaule, probably by Sardesai.

I dont mind the mango gaunvalla admi to have no idea who the first prime-minister of India was or an 'angrezi' educated Indian who does not know which UK royal used to scratch his behind and smell it as a compulsive habit which ultimately resulted in a war b/w UK and France.

I mind when anyone in India who identifies himself/herself to be Indian has the WRONG idea of what really happened. That is something to be concerned about, especially when that wrong idea white washes the real cost his/her ancestors paid and the debt that they incurred, the interest which he/she is paying now.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Mar 2014 06:19

Look at these sad images, but they tell a story other than what they actually show.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1617658

Someone please show me ONE_SINGLE military aircraft accident from China that has been allowed public view with so many photos? Of from Pakistan? The world is full of regimes and countries who have a very strong sense of "log kya kahenge". They simply will not allow anything negative to be seen.

Recall the Saras accident in Bangalore? A great number of pictures came from that as well. India in fact is remarkably open about anything and that allows people to come in, report and photograph almost anything. This speaks of a level of freedom of information that no one actively acknowledges, and it has some consequences.

Foreign reporters are free to come to India and report any old crap - and comment on anything -like the girl being bathed in the river near the accident site. Because we do not see pictures of any similar type from many countries, Indians end up believing that negative images come from India and such negative things simply don't exist abroad.

The power of censorship in promoting national self esteem and pride is something that a lot of countries have learned. I am not saying that India needs to go that way. I am saying that educated Indians need to understand that images and perceptions that are not allowed to be seen in many countries tell a much bigger tale than what is shown to the world.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Mar 2014 07:18

Thus my thesis is that literate Indians (almost by definition English-literate) at their formative years of 12 to 22 years when the search for identity usually is most prominent, chance upon voodoo Christian beliefs of dead gods coming back to life(no doubt a most sophisticated intellectual development in the history of metaphysics), and contrast that with the Max Mueller commentary on pre-Christian pantheistic Hinduism, or the stone idol Hinduism, or the fatalism of Hinduism and are left with-feeling subverted, that is if they had had a chance to develop a self esteem initially. For here are the magicians who wield great scientific and economic power who have magisterially pronounced Hinduism/Indian culture deficient.

As any meaningful hypothesis, this should be testable. I propose an analysis of non- English medium school educated Indians, those whose world view has less direct exposure to the standard western critique. Are these people more confidant, less fatalistic (self-fulfilling prophesies), more hopeful of the future, more convinced that given the economic opportunity they will excel?

As a corollary, do the vernacular media have a different filter than the English language media (my own Hind/Urdu reading is too slow to assess this personally)?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 29 Mar 2014 08:02

If Gandhi had been alive in today's media world they would have made another Arvind Kejirwal out of him. Bose would have been the eternal warrior and alongside Bhagat Singh, Chandrasekhar Azad and numerous other revolutionaries would have delivered independence to India much earlier, maybe even before WW2. Baba Ramdev questioned yesterday whether Gandhiji was not responsible for death of Bhagat Singh and others.

As usual media let it in a trickle while other "communal" news came in torrents.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Mar 2014 11:56

sanjaykumar wrote: As any meaningful hypothesis, this should be testable. I propose an analysis of non- English medium school educated Indians, those whose world view has less direct exposure to the standard western critique. Are these people more confidant, less fatalistic (self-fulfilling prophesies), more hopeful of the future, more convinced that given the economic opportunity they will excel?

No not at all IMHO. The group that you speak of do not exist in isolation but look up at my kind, the sophisticated angrezi speaking confident Macaulayite and associate my ostensible success to my English and the India bashing beliefs that my ilk display. And then they feel less confident of themselves and want to emulate my type.

Maybe 150 years ago, when boxwallahs were just being created and my grandfather was not yet born that rural confidence and self esteem may have existed. but 150 years have taken their toll. Even my grandfather - born in 1888 was exposed to the same self deprecating education and literature that I am dissing on here. I own some of his books. The racism and bias then was open. It still exists in a veiled manner and Indians have learned that success is to adopt the same biased views that our white "superiors" taught us.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 29 Mar 2014 12:21

sanjaykumar wrote:Yeah sure, Indians worship idols but Christians worship through icons.

Deep bro.

Christians also rule by putting up false debates. Life vs. Choice. Right to bear arms vs Gun violence. Safe sex vs. Orgies. Democracy vs. Authoritarians. Military power vs. Toilets. Discipline vs Imagination. Codified law vs. Doctrine of Equity. Perfection vs. Pragmatic. bulls vs. bears. All the liberal idiot types fall for this second line of attack.

All the fanatic idiot types fall for the first line of attack that you mentioned.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 29 Mar 2014 20:53

Why is this guy so ready to bring up IAF's safety standards? So far we know, there has been no official word on the crash. But this guy starts off by bad mouthing the service. Does he know for a fact that the aircraft was working perfectly? I understand the C-130J has an good safety record, but has had crashes in the past (the same article mentions a few). Without knowing the details, I think it was wrong to pass such judgments.

Sorry if this sounds wrong, but I am pissed at such reporting in the midst of a depressing series of incidents across our services.

Five killed as IAF's Super Hercules plane crashes - Rahul Singh, HT

Five crew members were killed when an Indian Air Force transport plane crashed near Gwalior on Friday, jolting the world's fourth-largest air force and exposing cracks in its safety standards.

Barely an hour after it took off from the Agra airbase on a training mission, the IAF's US-built C-130J Super Hercules aircraft went down 75 miles west of Gwalior along the Madhya Pradesh-Rajasthan border, sending shockwaves across the air force.

The crash comes a little over three years after the IAF inducted the first of its six C-130J planes, configured for special operations and airborne assault.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 29 Mar 2014 21:28

Shiv wrote:A great number of pictures came from that as well. India in fact is remarkably open about anything and that allows people to come in, report and photograph almost anything. This speaks of a level of freedom of information that no one actively acknowledges, and it has some consequences.

Agree 1000% The so called land of the brave and free is about 1/10 th as frees as India. Thanks 9-11 everything is now videoed and some one taking pictures can be cavity searched. Just like that

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 30 Mar 2014 02:02

UK is much worse. In certain parts of Londonistan there ten surveilense cameras per person.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 02 Apr 2014 23:42

Latest Bak(hod (f)artical from our Dorks, bolded part is rather self explanatory on why this belongs in this thread:
Ahead of Nancy Powell's resignation, India warned US ties could be hit

by Sachin Parashar

NEW DELHI: Ahead of US ambassador Nancy Powell's resignation, India had officially and specifically communicated to Washington that any further consequential steps after the re-indictment of diplomat Devyani Khobragade was going to seriously hurt bilateral ties.

The disclosure shows how desperately India has been looking at the US to address the issue at the political level. {We are beggars onleeee, always desperate and we have no power. All power is maya, completely imaginary}It didn't, however, directly question the role of Powell despite reservations about the conduct of the US embassy in the Devyani affair and also subsequent investigations into alleged tax violations by American Embassy School (AES) here.

The gist of the message conveyed diplomatically, according to officials here, was not very different from a statement issued earlier by the foreign ministry about how relations between the two countries could be impacted. It followed US prosecutors' decision to again indict Khobragade despite a court ruling that the visa fraud charges against her didn't hold in the face of her diplomatic immunity.

It is no secret that the government developed an intense disdain for the embassy after it realized how Khobragade's maid Sangeeta Richard's family was flown to New York by US officials based here just before the diplomat was arrested and strip-searched.

Despite being in a damage control mode after the uproar here, the embassy under Powell apparently didn't do enough to address India's concerns, especially over New Delhi's demand for more transparency into the functioning of the prestigious American Embassy School (AES).{We bow to the superior school run by gora admi from vides}

India put the school under tax scrutiny allegedly in retaliation to the Khobragade episode and after discovering that the school violated tax laws by asking female spouses of teachers to not disclose in their visa applications that they planned to work with AES. New York Times has now reported that as many as 20 teachers may have left the school because of the investigations.

According to Indian officials, the embassy has continued to evade tax queries. It is here that the government believes Powell could have done more to address India's concerns.

"The US embassy continues to refrain from responding to queries about the visa status and the tax status of the AES staff despite passage of more than three months. This obviously has led to a standstill on the issue even though we think that this is a matter that can and should be expeditiously resolved so that we can address other issues," said an official here, adding that Powell's decision to retire was not going to impact the investigations in any way.

According to PTI, New York Times has said in a report that administrators at the American Embassy School have "quietly admitted" that the school undertook a variety of tax-avoidance schemes for years, including one in which they instructed some female teachers whose husbands also worked at the school to list their occupations on visa applications as "housewife".

Given the revelations about the school, Indian officials are refusing to renew teacher visas till the case is resolved, it said.

The report said that unless the issue is resolved, nearly a quarter of the school's teaching staff could be forced to leave before classes end in June. "If the controversy remains unsettled into the fall, the school widely considered one of the best international schools in the world and a key recruiting tool here could close," it added. {quoting a gora rag New Yak times verbatim without even a bit of analysis, Journalism at its best}

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 03 Apr 2014 01:15

See how different is the US view from Capitol Hill on the same "prestigious school".

Outraged Citizen • 5 hours ago

It is a major scandal that the American Embassy School under the Chair-ship of the US Ambassador appears to have systematically instructed and advised its staff, mostly spouses of US diplomats, to evade taxes and lie on tax forms. This is institutionalized fraud, presumed approved by the Ambassador and hence the United States Government. Why is there no accountability for this? Since it happened on US territory (the embassy) why have the Federal Prosecutors not indicted Nancy Powell and her co-conspirators and arrested here? Are they waiting for the Indians to arrest, strip/cavity-search and indict these diplomats, as they are perfectly entitled to do, since none of these were official consular or diplomatic duties that carry immunity? Some call the AES a top school. By what criterion? Not a single one of the Faculty stood up and exposed the long-running tax fraud. Is this the American ethics taught worldwide? The Obama gang has brought utter disgrace to American integrity, worldwide. I hope there is a congressional investigation as another postor here said, and these tax-cheatin' criminals brought to book by Congress if the Obama Administration does not have the moral standards to do it.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 04 Apr 2014 23:57

X-post

A vedio from Nov 2013, Sikulars (including presstitutes like Karan Thapar and Shomless Chaudary) ass usual washing their cr*ppy chaddis in public in middle of White Pakiland.
The whitepaki cricket estar - Stuart McGill mean-e-while manages to put his foot in his mouth.

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=KwxJdDeRaHo

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shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2014 14:44

We seem to suffer from a degree of lack of confidence in ourselves.

just look at how this world is guided.

1. Pakistan hides bin Laden, thwarts attempts to take out terrorists that the US wants, arms and funds terrorists who kill US and other forces and the US says "Pakistan is an ally, but maybe there are some aspects to Pakistani behaviour that are not totally in consonance with the actions of an ally. We may need to consider cutting our 1 billion aid by 25 dollars."

2. In 67 years - Pakistan holds 3 elections, and in the meantime they bump off 4 leaders or potential leaders, there are several army coups, the Taliban roam all over Pakistan and Islamic terrorist groups rule the roost - and the West say "Pakistan is a fledgeling democracy and the army is a disciplined secular one that has stayed in the barracks"

On the other hand, Pakistan has been continuously attacking India for 67 years -there is a terrorist attack going on right now as I type this with two Pakislamic armed assholes holed up in Srinagar and ll that India can do is agree with the US and declare
1. Pakistan's democracy is fragile and we must encourage it
2. Dialogue must be uninterruptible
3. Do not give extremists on both sides a chance
4. The Taliban are bad (as if the Pakistan army. LeT, HuM and JeM were "good" all this time.

This gives me the very clear feeling that Indians (right up to the very top levels of diplomacy/politics) are too scared or lacking in confidence to think and state their own thoughts. We look to the west for thought leadership and we take their cues and orders. We are unable to see Pakistan as it is. We take other people's advice and cues. We are not independent in this regard - we are enslaved. We seem to worry too much about what others think - what the mainstream media or the mainstream big-shots of the world are saying and take cues from there as to how we should speak and behave. Enslavement runs deep in our minds.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 14 Apr 2014 20:24

Pakistani rulers have billions in the bank. When they talk to khan ambys in private probably they treat these as poor cousins and be condescending as both these countries value money and materialistic wealth as the barometer of success. It is the same with US President Obama genuflecting deeply to Saudis, Japanese. So did Clinton feeling proud to have been selected as a Rhodes Scholar and hob-nob with the royalty of UK. Novue rich.

vsunder · Post by **vsunder** » 15 Apr 2014 06:47

Jem saab: It is not Chicken Tikka Khan but "snake and kidney pie".
You need to hear this "anthem" of the the wannabee angrezis
to understand better, like the people on the panel. These are more angrez than angrez.
But scratch them hard and you will hear
Venu from Kumbakonam, like thus:

Version 1: ( there is a big joke here, some may catch it, I was
told the history "now itself",

)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlAdUY4HUF8

Version 2:with lyrics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1YHs4tEcU

A video from Nov 2013, Sikulars (including presstitutes like Karan Thapar and Shomless Chaudary) ass usual washing their cr*ppy chaddis in public in middle of White Pakiland.
The whitepaki cricket estar - Stuart McGill mean-e-while manages to put his foot in his mouth.

By the way could someone edify me as to who these panelists are? I just know this
Tharoor fellow, he came in some debate team to IIT Kanpur when I was a student
in 1973, and then did some stuff in the UN, after that I have no idea
what he has done. There is some woman on the panel who does not
speak at all and one who speaks too much, and everyone is like Venu, but pretending to be Angrez.
There is one pompous fellow on the extreme left, good grief what a bunch
of pompous people.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 11 Aug 2014 04:15

X-post from Link Language thread:

US journalist in the Washington Post:

Agnimitra wrote:Spoken Latin making a comeback: A modern remedy for the nation’s age-old reading problems?

OTOH, Indian journalist (living in DC) writing for The Hindu:

Rony wrote:Where are the Sanskrit speakers ?

This idiot analyzes outdated 2001 census numbers for Sanskrit as "mother tongue", even though he admits that's a tricky way of "analyzing".

Samskrita Bharati movement got off the ground in 1985, and has since created lakhs of Sanskrit speakers. The movement is also making use of the 'diaspora effect': Spoken Sanskrit camps are a regular annual feature in various parts of the US, Gulf, etc. The Hindu's "journalist" could have improved on his piss poor reportage if he had just picked up the phone and called his local chapter to meet up and hang out with a group of fluent speakers. That's what the American journalist above did, even though the number of Latin speakers is far less than Sanskrit speakers - even in the US!

Lastly, the anglophile Hindu journalist needs to understand that Sanskrit never did nor will it ever intend to replace anyone's mother-tongue. Nevertheless, many "samskrita kutumbani" (Sanskrit speaking families) are springing up among karyakartas, with Sanskrit-bilingual children.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Aug 2014 04:38

Any update on Turdpal's case? And how about charging Shomeless Chaudary for tampering with evidence?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Aug 2014 08:44

‘Permanent, negotiated solution for Tibet in China’s interest’ - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu

N.Ram bats unabashedly for China.

He has to explain how annexation of Tibet by China under dubious claims and against the wishes of the Tibetans is acceptable while a legal instrument of accession signed by an independent ruler of J&K acceding to India is unacceptable.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 13 Aug 2014 14:28

SSridhar wrote:‘Permanent, negotiated solution for Tibet in China’s interest’ - Ananth Krishnan, The Hindu

N.Ram bats unabashedly for China.

He has to explain how annexation of Tibet by China under dubious claims and against the wishes of the Tibetans is acceptable while a legal instrument of accession signed by an independent ruler of J&K acceding to India is unacceptable.

N. Ram is a panda mouthpiece. He is singularly the most vehement anti-Dalai Lama journo in India. I lost track of number of Op-Eds in The Hindu that bats for China in the matter of Tibet. When dozens of Tibetian monks in Tibet were self immolating themselves, he published a nasty article (dont remember what it was and so cannot search for it) criticizing H.H. Dalai Lama and Tibetians.

I wonder if Panda set up any honey trap for him? IB should investigate his far east travels. Something is not right here.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 13 Aug 2014 14:35

^^^ I don't know what this N Ram ass gains by grovelling on the feet on China like this while fattening himself on the produce of India. There must really be a total lack of self-esteem to trigger this kind of behaviour in a person. Or Chinese have his nuts in a cracker through some honey trap.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2014 22:06

ramana wrote:Any update on Turdpal's case? And how about charging Shomeless Chaudary for tampering with evidence?

Rien · Post by **Rien** » 16 Aug 2014 07:06

shiv wrote:Look at these sad images, but they tell a story other than what they actually show.
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1617658

Someone please show me ONE_SINGLE military aircraft accident from China that has been allowed public view with so many photos? Of from Pakistan? The world is full of regimes and countries who have a very strong sense of "log kya kahenge". They simply will not allow anything negative to be seen.

Recall the Saras accident in Bangalore? A great number of pictures came from that as well. India in fact is remarkably open about anything and that allows people to come in, report and photograph almost anything. This speaks of a level of freedom of information that no one actively acknowledges, and it has some consequences.

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Recently I brought up the terrible safety record of the AH-64 in Afghanistan. I showed the videos the crashes, and cited the number of accidents. As a side by side comparison to the Dhruv, which has had only 9 crashes in total(19 deaths) over 150 Dhruv. The Apache has had literally hundreds. Indian maal is much better safety wise than the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Dhruv# ... _accidents

Sort by cause of death(Helicopter accident) - ignoring fatalities caused by fire. We should count those too, because the reason we are buying the Apache is because it is supposed to be "survivable" against weapons fire.

http://icasualties.org/OEF/Fatalities.aspx

166 deaths!!!! When you consider how crazy the feeding frenzy on BR was over the Dhruv. But the far worse safety record of the Apache doesn't even get a mention. In fact US posters shut the thread down to prevent discussion. These numbers are comparable, the US has around 250 Apache in Afghanistan since 2002(Entry into service of Dhruv). After you make it statistically comparable by halving the record to compare 125 Apache to 150 Dhruv, the record is overwhelming desi still. 83 deaths vs 9 speaks for itself.

Read that again. Desi products are better on safety than US maal. Quality. The US Maal is of 1975 origin, the Dhruv was designed in 1992. Our stuff is better because it is newer.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Aug 2014 16:10

Why does media always say ,"Country XXX humiliates India" when a sports match is lost.
In return they never say ,"India humiliates Country XXX" when Indian team wins matches.
I have observed this pattern in English newspapers especially.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 18 Aug 2014 15:55

ramana wrote:
ramana wrote:Any update on Turdpal's case? And how about charging Shomeless Chaudary for tampering with evidence?

Rape pal I think is still out on bail, courtesy his friends in court (HC, I think, though I wouldn't be surprised if it is the SC what with bending with the wind CJ in charge).

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 19 Aug 2014 12:43

Something is seriously wrong with Chidanand Rajghatta

An entire article devoted to American Missile silo and in the end, this

India's nuclear posture is so opaque that few people have an idea where the weapons are located or deployed, much less who are the personnel manning them and what the command and control structure looks like.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Aug 2014 16:07

ramana wrote: It shows how India's contribution to WWI and WWII is not acknowledged by the prime beneficiaries (Anglo-Saxons and Western Europeans) and also by elite in India.

Cannon fodder never is. However, if the same Indian soldiers had revolted and hit back at the English while posted in the trenches of North Africa, Italy, Belgium, Burma, Singapore or Iraq, that would have made headline news, and would be retold ad nauseam.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 19 Aug 2014 19:38

SanjayC wrote:^^^ I don't know what this N Ram ass gains by grovelling on the feet on China like this while fattening himself on the produce of India. There must really be a total lack of self-esteem to trigger this kind of behaviour in a person. Or Chinese have his nuts in a cracker through some honey trap.

Gents
I have read in news "flood relief funds" officially donated to "The Hindu" by Chinese ambassador a few years ago. Not a secret, was done transparently. Follow the money trail.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 22 Aug 2014 14:49

Why Teesta Setalvad was trending today on social media

http://deshgujarat.com/2014/08/22/why-t ... ial-media/

At time it feels, majority Hindus of this country have become a lamp post where any dog can come and urinate.

First it was Rahul Gandhi who this week said those going to mandir and calling women as mother and sister are same who abuse women in buses.

Then today Teesta Setalvad, wife of Javed Anand posting a picture today insulting Hindu goddesses and gods in reference to worst Islamic terror organization ISIS.

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 20 Sep 2014 02:14

Couldn't find the Indian Media Watch thread hence posting this here. Media doing some soul searching and giving some gyaan.

Did the media create the NaMo wave? RedInk Awards and Panel Discussion

Loved the part where Piyush Pandey asks the media not to take themselves so seriously. They are not as important as they think.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 22 Sep 2014 07:01

Mods, kindly cut me some slack, and delete this post if it is irrelevant.

But guys, why is this crap news worthy for UnDyTv to display this on their home page?

http://sports.ndtv.com/champions-league ... za-s-place