Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

partha · Post by **partha** » 14 Apr 2014 09:44

Funny how Pakistani authors writing for Indian news papers and "Indian" authors writing for Pakistani news papers have similar views.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 14 Apr 2014 10:04

shiv wrote:I am still looking for names if Sridhar's brilliant "Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan" is felt by forum members to be too radical and far enough outside their comfort zone to cause cognitive dissonance.

i would still go with "Pakistan Islamic Sunni Sectarian States".

Neither of these names is bad or vulgar, nor to they constitute "asatya" or untruth. They can only serve to nudge people's thoughts towards fact rather than resting on same ol' "Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan". That is also fact, but we need to dig out dirt from deeper.

I would like this thread to be named in the line of SSridhar's suggestion. It is not radical and is to the fact. The issue I find in his name is that to me it suggest that there are terrorists groups within Pakistan, whereas pakistan is actually made up of different terrorist groups, be it landlords, army, talibans, LeT and what not.

How about Pakistan - Unstable Collection of Sunni Terrorist Fragments?
or Pakistan - Unstable Kabila of Extremist Sunni Fragments?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2014 10:23

CRamS wrote:TSP can send terrorists into India, TSP can brazenly demand Kashmir on a silver platter, TSP can thumb its nose with impunity, it can punch above its weight, but Modi, if he becomes PM must be flexible towards TSP and not talk about such things as zero tolerance against terror

http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/a ... 07725.aspx

Off topic here - but a lot depends on how well informed Modi and his advisers are, assuming he does become PM.

When Modi (or MMS) deals with a Pakistani "government" they are dealing with a government that does not have the capacity to choke funds and arms to the Taliban or develop Baluchistan. But they have the funds to threaten India and make Indians think that there is a powerful nation there across the border.

There are powerful groups and vested interests across the border, but not one nation. Why do Indian governments, be they MMS or ABV (or maybe Modi in future) deal ONLY with the "civilian government". Why not speak facts. ie
1. The army is in control of the civilian government
2. The army has no control over anything except what happens at the Indian border

Why do we deal with small and limited controlling fragments/factions of Pakistan without looking at Pakistan holistically. Fact is even Indian governments are subject to the financial compulsions of multinationals. For example Toyota sells 75,000 vehicles a year in Pakistan -including the vehicles that the Taliban uses. Since the spares for all Toyota vehicles Taliban or not are bought in Pakistan, Toyota and its subsidiary companies have a vested interest in ensuring good relations between India and Pakistan the nation state members of the UN - so for all the nationalistic rhetoric we hear (and spout on here) ultimately India will likely toe the "comity of nations" line that has been thrust upon us and will not break free and deal with Pakistan as it is rather than what others deem it to be and dictate to us.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 14 Apr 2014 12:29

Jhujar wrote:Any thing, word, Acronym, proverb which penetrate the Soul of pakistan and convey the right idea of Paki essence is Halal. This Islamic Land of the Natural Born Killers will remain a Murderous society regardless of its name.

Murderous Land oph Soceity-al-Islam : MuLSI

>>>

partha wrote:

What is Islamic, egaliterian, secular halaal words for BAHUT KRAANTIKAARI

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 14 Apr 2014 13:30

ramana wrote:Johann, I don't agree. India should not claim nor allow others to make India the fall guy for TSP failings. Besides what TTP is doing is showing the Kabila guards they don't own TSP the Islamic Stae as they are not Islamist enough.

Ramana,

I don't think that the implication of what I said is that India is largely responsible for the fundamental nature of Pakistan's threat perception. That is mostly a result of the way in which Pakistani nationalism has been constructed post-Partition.

What I'm saying is that the TTP actually threatens this construction in really fundamental ways. The specific ways depend on where you are in Pakistan's class structure.

The offspring of Pakistani army officers from my experience loved the army first and foremost for the lifestyle, status and sense of security it gave them. The state has treated them well, and looked after them. So they have every intention of preserving that. In a very different era the danger to that lifestyle was potentially India, should the PA be defeated and dissolved. But for those who have grown up in the nuclear era (and who dont remember the fear that Lahore might fall, or Karachi would be bombed) that's not really a serious fear any more. Their anger isn't at India, its at the TTP which is trying to take over and threatens their lifestyle and their security. It is the TTP that kills their uncles and their uncles men, that undermine's the honour of their parents army.

For those lower down the socioeconomic ladder, the ones who get nothing from the state other than a gun poked in their ribs at checkpoints and demands for bribes I think its a different story. They no longer care who is in charge so long as their situation doesn't get any worse. I think most working class Pakistanis have been through enough electoral cycles now, including with Islamists that there's plenty of cynicism about whether the mullahs would really build an Islamic paradise. The TTP's reign of terror in Swat, Waziristan and sections of Karachi has not been great advertising for their governance skills. The only thing that attracts ordinary people is the idea that their status as Sunni believers might increase and give them better access to power, especially the courts and police that was once reserved for the better off. The Islamist takeover if it comes will come from the SSP/ASWJ, not the TTP - they're the only ones who have a base in all four provinces, and know how to combine local politics with militancy.

In short India is gradually disappearing as a factor in the day to day political and ideological struggles of Pakistan. I think thats a fundamentally good thing - and that is why the older upper reaches of the establishment desperately tries to re-inject India into it through conspiracy theories. In the long run those are doomed to fail as long as India stays the course of letting Pakistan stew in its own juices.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 14 Apr 2014 13:48

Shivji has raised a very interesting issue - name the thing and you can pretty much define how it is perceived. This thread's current title, apart from being prescient, was probably ahead of its time in terms of creating and then filtering perception through to the larger public. Perhaps the time has come to do it again.

However, I'd also opine that the STFU-P type of headline diminishes the potential impact and dilutes its effectiveness by reducing the naming to something between a snigger and a too-blatant put down.

The title should IMHO have memes that (a) are predictive (b) significantly heighten Pakistan related concerns, hackles even, across global (and not just BR or even Indian) audiences, and (c) make statehood and Pakistan incompatible and (d) are an accurate summary.

My personal choice would be to lay off Sunni/ Islam themes.

That said I believe there are enough ideas in the last few pages already.

Pakistan is hardly a nation state. it is a collection of "provinces" or "geographically linked ethnolinguistic groups" who are at war with each other.

Pakistanis don't have any border that they can protect or respect.

Kabila

Terror exporting

Nuclear

Fragments

Just as an exercise, some initial ideas would be:

Pakistan: Collection Of Nuclear Tipped And Warring Fragments

Pakistan: Disintegrating Camp Of Nuclear Armed Clans

Pakistan: Nuclear Coalition Of Warring Tribes

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2014 14:16

Baikul wrote:
Pakistan: Disintegrating Camp Of Nuclear Armed Clans

Pakistan: Nuclear Coalition Of Warring Tribes

These are good IMO esp the second

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2014 14:29

Take a leaf from the west. Treat the world as you would like it to be seen rather than what others define for you.

While I can make this recommendation easily I am ignoring the fact that this is a game that two can play. For example if India points out all the truths about Pakistan to the world and to Pakistan, and starts treating Pakistan like it is - a failed collection of warring people, Pakistani entities and some of their friends will work overtime to paint India with a similar brush.

The important thing here is to be unfazed by all this and not allow such accusations to get under one's skin. This is a trick that Indians, habituated to feeling inferior, and habituated to being lectured on how to view the world may not be able to do right off. If you accuse a bunch of Indians about the rubbish in India, 50% will promptly start self flagellating and mourning and saying we will never get there. Indians are at the top of the list in labelling India a wannabe, ignoring the clout that even statements from India can have by indicating what we think and how we view the world and Pakistan.

On the other hand try accusing the Brits or Americans of genocide, support for terror and despots and all they do is stonewall such things. No one is totally innocent, but one must behave like one is personally totally innocent while everyone else is at fault- and we are there to point out those faults. The funny thing is that Indian politicians are able to do that to each other - but they get the shivers when they have to behave like that on the international stage - where they start behaving like well behaved schoolboys in chaddis trying to become teacher's chamcha. But I digress.

We need to recognize the component parts of Pakistan for what they are and deal with them individually. Pakistan is not a coherent whole.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 14 Apr 2014 15:01

Pakistani plane accidentally lands at wrong airport in Saudi Arabia
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan ... -1.1318976
Passengers have asked for financial compensation after a Pakistani International Airlines (PIA) plane flying them from Karachi to Riyadh landed at King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah.

No explanation was given how Flight 731 with more than 200 passengers on board ended up almost 1,000km west of the announced destination.

the blatant disregard for international air traffic regulations, seen here is appalling!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Apr 2014 15:04

Pakistan will miss Man Mohan Singh - Dawn

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 14 Apr 2014 15:17

Pakistan: Godfathered Lawless Sub-region of Tribal Converts (Reverts?) under Narco-Terrorist Armies

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 14 Apr 2014 15:53

shiv wrote Take a leaf from the west. Treat the world as you would like it to be seen rather than what others define for you.

with Muslims, you ought to use religion back at them, and they will not know how to respond.
For Eg: When questioned about Sachar committe report and to the so called condition of Muslims in India, quote from Sura Ar Rad (thunder) Verse 13: 11 :" Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. And when Allah intends for a people ill, there is no repelling it."

if they question you the context, then it happened during the last period of the prophecy in Makkah, where the believers started questioning as to why? the unbelievers were a lot more financially successful than believers.

will shut the guys for ample measure.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 14 Apr 2014 16:05

menon s wrote:
Pakistani plane accidentally lands at wrong airport in Saudi Arabia

No explanation was given how Flight 731 with more than 200 passengers on board ended up almost 1,000km west of the announced destination.
the blatant disregard for international air traffic regulations, seen here is appalling!

Appalling? How very dare you Sir?

They were actually considerate of global sentiment, given that the last lot accidentally flew into a building.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 14 Apr 2014 16:12

shiv wrote:
Baikul wrote:
Pakistan: Disintegrating Camp Of Nuclear Armed Clans

Pakistan: Nuclear Coalition Of Warring Tribes
These are good IMO esp the second

Just points of departure Shivji, by no means offered as the finished article. Main point being to hit the key notes everyone has underlined.

Others:

Pakistan: Disintegrating Coalition of Nuclear Warring Tribes

Pakistan: Incendiary Coalition of Nuclear Warring Tribes

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 14 Apr 2014 16:14

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan will miss Man Mohan Singh - Dawn

SSridhar Ji :

Simply due to the fact that their "Aim" is Bad!

Cheers

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 14 Apr 2014 16:49

Pakistan should be called Kabila of Potentially terrorist Sunni Diaspora. K of PTSD. May be in a few years, from post trauma stress it will attain newer levels,of consciousness, like psychosis , dissociated identity disorder etc.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 14 Apr 2014 18:57

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1h

Pakistan brothers held for digging 150 bodies from graveyard, eating human flesh http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/paki ... 55697.html …

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 Apr 2014 19:41

The word 'Kabila' for Pakistan will require explanation to the outsiders although so correctly identifies TSP and its true state.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 14 Apr 2014 19:47

menon s wrote:
Pakistani plane accidentally lands at wrong airport in Saudi Arabia
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan ... -1.1318976
Passengers have asked for financial compensation after a Pakistani International Airlines (PIA) plane flying them from Karachi to Riyadh landed at King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah.

No explanation was given how Flight 731 with more than 200 passengers on board ended up almost 1,000km west of the announced destination.
the blatant disregard for international air traffic regulations, seen here is appalling!

What are the chances for Mushy to be in that plane

.. Im guessing this is quite an interesting event. Somethings up..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Apr 2014 20:00

this has happened in the past. someone important was in that plane and wanted a direct flight than again connecting from Riyadh...hence...I think Mushrador diverted a PIA 747 into manchester rather than london or such.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Apr 2014 20:05

Pakistani plane accidentally lands at wrong airport in Saudi Arabia
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan ... -1.1318976
Passengers have asked for financial compensation after a Pakistani International Airlines (PIA) plane flying them from Karachi to Riyadh landed at King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah.

No explanation was given how Flight 731 with more than 200 passengers on board ended up almost 1,000km west of the announced destination.

The explanation is simple. The passengers reached an agreement with the pilot. He takes them to the wrong place and gives a lame excuse. They sue for compensation and pay the pilot a cut. As they say in Kannada "Nimagu anukoola, namagu anukoola" - "Convenient for you and convenient for us". The PIA guy who makes the payout also makes some money on the side. The USA pays PIA so that the airline does not collapse and Pakis can prenetd to have an airline.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Apr 2014 20:26

Guys isnt Jeddahjust 90KM from Mecca, may be the piot wanted to go on a Pilgrimage and wanted his assengers to also to do the same?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2014 21:22

How about Pakistan: Nuclear Armed Sectarian Kabila (PNASK!)

The Kabila is needed to show its a camp run by Jihadi soldiers Motto: Jihad-e-fistula.
Sectarian to show its not a monolithic Islam.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2014 21:50

How about

Unstable Sunni Federation of Pakistan_News and Discussion

USFP

Federation shows its not a homogenous nation-state. Which is a big point to be made.
And is Unstable.

Or PUSF rhymes with Yusuf!

Pakistan:Unstable Sunni Federation

or PSUF
Pakistan Sunni Unstable Federation

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Apr 2014 22:16

The Wrong Enemy

Question for Ms. Gall. She was aware of paki double dealing and back stabbing since 9/11. Why did she keep quiet till now?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 14 Apr 2014 22:40

Aditya_V wrote:Guys isnt Jeddahjust 90KM from Mecca, may be the piot wanted to go on a Pilgrimage and wanted his assengers to also to do the same?

Other than certificate of piety ie paki passport, at least the paki pilot had genuine pilot training certificate(assumption in good faith). People should be thankful and not demand explanation & compensation lest paki pilots become frenzied and outraged and demand compensation instead.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 14 Apr 2014 22:49

'Double dealing': How Pakistan hid Osama Bin Laden from the U.S. and fueled the war in Afghanistan

What if the United States has been waging the wrong war against the wrong enemy for the last 13 years in Afghanistan?

Pulitzer Prize-winning New York Times journalist Carlotta Gall, who spent more than a decade covering Afghanistan since 2001, concludes just that in her new book, “The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001-2014.”

Gall told “On the Radar” that Pakistan – not Afghanistan – has been the United States’ real enemy.

“Instead of fighting a very grim and tough war which was very high in casualties on Afghans, as well as NATO and American soldiers, the problem wasn't in the Afghan villages,” Gall said. “The source of the problem, the radicalization, the sponsoring of the insurgency, was all happening in Pakistan.”

Gall said that Pakistan’s leaders, and especially former President Pervez Musharraf, were “very clever” and tricked the United States into believing that Pakistan was an ally.

“I think the politicians, not all of them, but the diplomats … it took ages for them to understand that actually the persuasion wasn't working; the engagement wasn't bringing them on board; they were actually double dealing,” she said. “And now diplomats will tell you very plainly, ‘Yes, Musharraf was double dealing.’”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Apr 2014 23:09

menon s wrote:
Pakistani plane accidentally lands at wrong airport in Saudi Arabia
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/pakistan ... -1.1318976
Passengers have asked for financial compensation after a Pakistani International Airlines (PIA) plane flying them from Karachi to Riyadh landed at King Abdul Aziz International Airport in Jeddah.

No explanation was given how Flight 731 with more than 200 passengers on board ended up almost 1,000km west of the announced destination.
the blatant disregard for international air traffic regulations, seen here is appalling!

Wonder if the PIA pilot was practising on the MH370 pilot's flight simulator!
Or humming Hindi song "Jate The Cheen, Paounch gaye Japan!"

Planned to go to China but ended up in Japan!

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Apr 2014 23:21

ramana saar, Maybe Arrah wished him to go that way. Allah Kareem.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 14 Apr 2014 23:29

Pakistan: A Balkan of warring Islamic tribes.

Although I agree with Johann and KLN here. Islam is an important side player in what Pakistan has become, but the root cause of that is not Islam. The root cause of that is a severely divided society with a huge underclass. Islam was just a weapon that each used against the other, with a lot of unintended consequence.

Djinah and the Baki jernails are hardly Islamic. They care about being cozy, and their way to be cozy was to keep the illusion of the enemy India. This had the support of the four-fathers and also their distorted ijjlamic history that they were once rulers of the Hindus and are out to get their rightful place. Add to this the theory of Martial race.

When Bakistan was born, the only uniting factor in Bakistan was that it was not-India. Not only that they HAD to be united (raisin dieter) in order to fight the big bad India. They had to fight for the Ijjlamic cause to liberate Cashmeere from big bad India. As we know soon after Djinaah got his 72 raisins, there was a struggle for power and I think that was nothing short of a class struggle between the Sunnis, the Shias, the Ismailis etc. Again the only thing that united them was the Anti India rhetoric and the liberation of the Ijjlamic brethen from the clutches of big bad India.

The unintended consequence of the bravado (10 Hindus == 1 baki mard) and the consistent hatred caused 1965 and 1971, upon which a new formula was adopted to keep the unwashed motivated. The formula was more Islam.

The unintended consequence of more Islam is that it gave a lot of power to Sunni Mullahs to lead the unwashed Sunni masses of bakistan into a large class struggle against the more educated Shias and Ahmedis and Ismailis. This was the start of the Purification of the land of the pure. This point the economy was already lost, resulting in unemployed and angry youth.

Add to this potent mix, the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the resulting Jihad. Wet dreams of Strategic depth. Pashtoon cry for freedom from Pakjabis, artificially drawn Durand line, Mass murder of Balochis and last but not least a total fertility ratio (TFR) of 3 resulting in a population explosion that has already passed its inflexion point to reach 900 million by 2050 and this will consist of mostly unproductive population addicted to Islam.

The end result is a Balkan of highly populous warring tribes drunk of Islam, each an underdog in someways involved in a death grip with the other communities in the mosaic that is Bakistan.

We need to build 100 feet titanium walls with robotic killer drones patrolling the border 24/7.

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 14 Apr 2014 23:51

Shivji, very interesting and thought-provoking lines of discussion. Much to reply to, but in terms of a suggestion of what to call it (and it's very true that there is much in getting the name itself right); I'm going to go in a different direction and suggest: "Pakistan: Yugoslavia 2.0".

- Yugoslavia and its disintegration into religious, ethnic war is a globally (if somewhat hazily) understood and recent historical phenomenon, so the audience grasps where you're going instantly
- It immediately captures many aspects of Pakistan:
-- an 'artificial construct' of a country with little historical and cultural basis
-- one dominant ethnicity (Serbia/Pakjab) dominating and lording it over the others (Bosnians/Croats // Sindhis/Pashtuns/Baloch)
-- eventual disintegration once the military lost control
-- descent into religious hatred and mass slaughter of civilians on all sides

You want something that is recognizable, that immediately conjures up an image of a doomed, artificial entity -- hence the comparison with Yugoslavia.

Thoughts on actual nomenclature:
- "Pakistan: the Asian Yugoslavia"
- "Pakistan: Yugoslavia 2.0"
- "Pakistan: Another Yugoslavia"

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 15 Apr 2014 00:07

It's often mystified me how Pakistan manages to fool the world, and Indians most of all, into treating it like any other country, as Shiv and others have pointed out. Part of it is certainly in how the media, western and Indian, presents the narrative: i.e. of a modern nation-state 'on par' with an India or an Egypt. In no particular order, some thoughts (Mods, please forgive the excursion and edit/delete as needed):

- Most people have no idea about the fundamental nature of Pakistan, as we all agree

- In my experience, people who slowly learn these facts come to an increasing recognition of this fundamental nature
- It's better to have this awakening be a gradual thing; in fact as sadhana put it, it's best if you come from a place of (misplaced and naive) 'South Asian brotherhood' as I did a decade ago. If one is presented with all the facts at once, it's almost too much to process and the mind tends to reject it -- "how could my entire worldview re: a country be so wrong? No, this must be anti-Muslim/ 'Hindu nationalist' propaganda' etc.

- In the same vein, I've seen the best results of awakening people to the true nature of Pakistan when I've avoided any name-calling and stuck to an almost Socratic method of questioning. For example:
"Who is the largest land-owner is in Pakistan today?"
"How many businesses does the Pakistani Army run?"
"How many civilians were killed in Bangladesh in the 1971 war?"
"How many of them were Hindu?"
"Why were they killed?"
"Do you know what the Pakistan Studies curriculum consists of?"
"How is Hinduism described in Pakistan Studies today?"
"Does the Constitution of Pakistan allow a non-Muslim to be the head of state?"
- As you can see, the 'what' and 'how' of objective fact comes first, and then very often the listener will arrive at the why and realize the implications themselves -- which works better than beating them over the head with it, since it comes from inner understanding and processing of facts

- Personally, I wish that the discussion and analysis on BRF could reach mainstream audiences in India and Indians around the world
- If one is trying to reach a mainstream audience, there are several hurdles to overcome:
-- the self-hatred that's been internalized by so many Hindus that prevents them from accepting or even taking seriously anything from a source with an Indian-sounding name like BR
-- the 'secularism = never calling out anything Islamic' indoctrination that means that any criticism of an Islam-related entity or subject often results in complete cognitive shutdown of that line of thinking 'because Islamophobia'. This also means that using obviously pejorative terms like 'Pukistan' will instantly lose this audience, which may not be a problem if your goals don't include reaching them
-- the fact that the mainstream narrative is so atrocious at reporting the fundamental facts

Nevertheless, I think all that's needed is for certain critical facts to become common knowledge before people start to see that TSP is no ordinary state, and in fact not a state at all. The 'how' of making that common knowledge is the tough part.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 15 Apr 2014 00:12

anupmisra wrote:The Wrong Enemy

Question for Ms. Gall. She was aware of paki double dealing and back stabbing since 9/11. Why did she keep quiet till now?

Easy. The 'press embargo' was lifted by the WH/DoD/DoS. When the embargo is in effect, you can only write snippets in the NYT/WaPo alluding to something that otherwise might force the hand of the pols/generals. What they hold over you is loss of access, leaks and 'exclusives'.

The DoS would have been forced to declare Balkanistan a State Sponsor of Terror and that would have meant the Faustian pact with the ISI to out the Faisal Shahzads in the Balkani diaspora in the west would have lapsed

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Apr 2014 00:27

Natural Born Terrorist: Pakistani Islamist Murderous People State
NBT PIMPS

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 15 Apr 2014 00:29

Prasad wrote:I wonder what she commented in reply to his review. It has been deleted since.

She wrote that he couldn't have possibly bought her book yet as it was not even out. He pointed out his kindle receipt and order history. She got pwned and deleted the remark.

She is extremely intolerant for a supposed scholar. Muthuswamy has been cordial and courteous in his interactions and criticisms, while all she has are personal insults.

On another note, as far as renaming the thread and all, I think the most effective strategy is perhaps to copy the style that the Asia times article set off. The strategy there is a superficial lip service to India's rise while pointing out all the usual sewer contents. The Zaid Hamid sort of hate-filled ranting will have no takers, so this is a more subtle strategy. Why can't Indians do that too. Pay lip service to Pakistan as defined, but point out every possible thing that shows that Pakistan is a joke, but without having to explicitly say it's a joke. That way you can pretend that you are being "liberal" and "compassionate", even while writing what you consider the truth. Ultimately, this is the approach that New York crimes and everyone takes with India as well, rather than straightforward name calling, and it is that which seems to upset us more, more than a straightforward racist anti-India rant that can be combated these days by just calling them "fascist" and "racist".

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2014 01:31

Pakistan:Chaotic Islamist Federation?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Apr 2014 01:41

Paki Begger Minister Begs From Indian Kaffir

Washington D.C. In a meeting between Finance Minister Ishaq Dar and Dr. Rajiv Shah, Administrator USAID on Friday here it was agreed that, with positive mood on the turnaround in economy and successful launch of Euro bond, it is an opportune moment to explore innovative financing for the Diamir Bhasha Dam.
Dr Raj Shah along with his team, called on the Finance Minister at the ED Office World Bank and discussed program portfolio and future priorities.At the outset Dr Shah congratulated Finance Minister on the successful 2nd review of EFF Program and the successful launching of Euro Bonds. Furthermore he appreciated that the efforts of the government bore fruit and Dasu Hydropower Project was going to the World Bank Board on 29th May 2014. He reiterated his commitment to increase the “on budget” portion of USAID disbursement to 35% in the current calendar year. He informed that the three equity funds which had been given $20 each under Pakistan Private Investment Initiative were now in the process of raising matching capital and will soon begin lending funds to the small and medium enterprises. He stated that since the mood of the investors and lenders was very positive towards Pakistan therefore it was an opportune moment to have conference on Diamir Bhasha Dam in which major construction firms may be invited. These firms, in his opinion, would be interested to finance Diamir Bhasha Dam through supply of machinery through EXIM Bank when the project would reach construction phase.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 15 Apr 2014 01:54

Birth registration : Just a click away

His sons are among those 60 million Pakistani children, who due to a sheer lazy attitude or lack of awareness about the importance of birth registration among parents are deprived of their legal identity. According to the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), every year 4.5 million births take place in Pakistan of which 3 million are not officially recorded. Which means these children have a name and an existence but currently do not have a legal identity or a nationality.

Pakistan's Population Clock

Estimated Population of Pakistan on Apr 14, 2014 : 186,336,265

Thus the Estimated Population of Pakistan is 246,333,265

We breed as rabbits, we die like vermin

Cheers

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 15 Apr 2014 02:21

Pakistan suspected cannibal in Punjab re-arrested

Macabre meeting with Pakistan cannibal

During interrogation, Farman Ali admitted that he had written "certain verses of the Koran in reverse as a way of casting a spell on his neighbours", said Inspector Bhatti.

"He said for the spell to be effective, the brothers had to remain unclean and eat human flesh."

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 15 Apr 2014 03:11

ramana wrote:How about Pakistan: Nuclear Armed Sectarian Kabila (PNASK!)

The Kabila is needed to show its a camp run by Jihadi soldiers Motto: Jihad-e-fistula.
Sectarian to show its not a monolithic Islam.

Kabila is a bit exotic for general audience,

I suggest keeping the same idea with different words:

Pakistan: Nuclear Armed Bandits Incorporated, (Pakistan-NABI)