Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Jan 04, 2014

habal · Post by **habal** » 19 Apr 2014 11:24

vishvak wrote:but that won't stop pakis from opening paki hotel and calling it Indian restaurant only!

they are the sufis.

partha · Post by **partha** » 19 Apr 2014 11:33

I thought homeland of Paki forefathers was Arabian desert. I guess next it will be demand to allow Pakis to vote in elections of homeland of their forefathers.

partha · Post by **partha** » 19 Apr 2014 12:39

http://www.dawn.com/news/1100838/no-har ... demands-ji

No harm in accepting Taliban demands: JI

LAHORE: Jamaat-i-Islami emir Sirajul Haq says the government should give serious consideration to the Taliban demands if it does not want more bloodshed in the country.

During a press conference here on Friday, he said the Taliban were simply demanding a peace zone for talks where there was no danger of attack and the release of about 300 non-combatants. He said there was no harm in accepting these demands for freeing the country from terrorism.

This is lulz onlee. Just couple of weeks back there was an article about this new JI chief in one of the liberal and vibrant news paper painting a moderate picture of the new Amir of JI.

Mr Haq said the talks were not the issue of the two “Sharifs” it was an issue of the country’s solidarity and the nation’s future. Therefore, both the Sharifs should be on one page for making the talks successful.

Replying to a question, he said the dollar price was falling continuously but the prices of flour and other eatables were not coming down because the ruling elite was not ready to treat the masses on equal footing.

Answering another question, the JI chief said that in order to hold fair, free and impartial elections, an independent and autonomous election commission on the pattern of that in India must be set up that did not yield to any pressure from any quarter.

Is JI chief a RAA agent?

Not sure whether this was posted -

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... irajul-Haq

PESHAWAR: The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) commander Omar Khalid Khurasani has written a letter to the new Jamaat-i-Islami chief Sirajul Haq in which he made it clear that the Islamic rule in Pakistan can only be enforced through the use of force.

In his letter of felicitation to Sirajul Haq on becoming the JI central head, Khurasani said that their objective was the same as they both wanted Shariah in Pakistan but their ways of achieving this goal were different. However, he reminded Sirajul Haq that an armed struggle was required to enforce Shariah in Pakistan.

God speed.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 19 Apr 2014 12:54

svenkat wrote:shivji,
seeing 'reality' for what it is does not mean accepting it.I think,theres no way anyone can get baltistanis and baluchis to break up the pakjabi state.The TTP too cannot break up pakjab.the power behind pakjab,as you very well know,is US and China.Pakjab is just a shadow.I find it embarassing to tell all this to an acknowledged guru of BRF.over and out.

We can start by having a national policy of shunning, and denouncing pakjabi ashrafi apartheid-imperialism loudly and often. We did this to pre-mandela south africa even though it never did India any harm.

We tend to act like the choice is between grin & bear it vs instant gratification of total victory overnight.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 19 Apr 2014 13:41

vishvak wrote:X-post
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1631064
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About 70% of British Muslims are, in fact, South Asian.
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British-Pakistani Muslims have become Muslims first, and are losing patience with the Pakistani practice of the religion embedded in Sufi traditions ..
So pakis have turned glonal Islamists after acquiring UK citizenship (& UK passport) but that won't stop pakis from opening paki hotel and calling it Indian restaurant only!

vishvak Ji :

On a BBV TV show on India the host interviewd all sorts of Indians - In Cities, Towns, Vilages etc. Whereas the Non-Muslims identified themselves as Indian First, all the Muslims stated that they were Muslims First. What is stated in the above Article has been said by the Bakistani, Banglaesh and Other Muslims in the UK again and again and agains.

Cheers

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 13:59

Peregrine wrote: On a BBV TV show on India the host interviewd all sorts of Indians - In Cities, Towns, Vilages etc. Whereas the Non-Muslims identified themselves as Indian First, all the Muslims stated that they were Muslims First.

This is really interesting

What was the exact question that the BBC people came to India to ask Indians that evoked such a response which BBC then broadcast all over the world.

Was the question on the lines of "Do you consider yourself Indian first or Muslim or Hindu first?"

if that was the case, what the fuk was the BBC doing coming and asking Indians that question in India? There is an Indian way of dealing with meddling foreign busybodies - smashing the camera would be only the first step.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 14:06

KLNMurthy wrote: We can start by having a national policy of shunning, and denouncing pakjabi ashrafi apartheid-imperialism loudly and often. We did this to pre-mandela south africa even though it never did India any harm.

Indeed, and even my passport back then had the words "valid for all countries other than South Africa and Rhodesia" indicating that the Indian government was not going to allow Indians to travel to those countries - whatever the reason.

Here we have India giving shitland utmost respect - the have embassies where Indians can apply for visas to Pakistan and no acknowledgement of reality.

It is we who have our heads buried in the sand. We have to speak up and say things as they are - be it religion sponsored murder or ethnic cleansing or the fractured state of Pakistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 14:13

As the current Indian government enters its last days, I would like to ask anyone who cares, "What did we get from Pakistan for the uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialog that Manmohan Singh and other Congress party worthies said would bring us dividends from Pakistan. Neither have criminals in Pakistan been arrested, nor have the murders of Indians stopped, nor have relations magically improved with free trade and exchanges leading to an improvement in the lives of millions of brothers and sisters of the subcontinent. No progress. Forward or back. Nothing.

If a manager at a factory or shop messed up things this badly he would have been fired. But the government?

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 19 Apr 2014 15:14

KLN Murthyji,
we do not have to bear any pain.We can pretend to be indifferent to this state,while building up our strengths and .....Hakim Sahib himself has said the maximum echandee problem in pakistan will be when we just ignore it while fortifying India.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 16:18

Tarrel and deepel fliendship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6RNnHXxuaA

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Apr 2014 17:28

shiv wrote: If Pakistan calls itself the United Federation of Pakistan people will believe it. Why not point out that Pakistan is a fragmented nation of four provinces? Why should a name hurt anyone? We are not trying to overturn history by saying it. Why not call it "Disunited Provinces of Pakistan" or some such name - just a name change for this thread. My ambitions do not go so far as to send Indian expeditionary forces anywhere

I wholeheartedly agree with such a name change and I beg to differ with the notion that Venkat-ji expressed that just because Pakjab has strong backers, NWFP or Sindh or Baluchistan will not or cannot split away from Pakjab. It is not just a strategic or tactical or just a fanciful wish of Indians that Pakistan disintegrate into multiple entities due to its inherent contradictions. Any civilizational state such as India or Greece or Persia or USA (yes it is a modern civlizational state despite its brief history) or China has a soul which is the collective and historic aspirations and contributions of the people that comprise that state. Ask yourself what values does India represent in the world as the oldest surviving civilization. What is Bharath's unique contribution to world civilization? There are two unique contributions by Bharath. One is a clear perception of Supreme reality and a molding of every aspect of our civilization either as expression of that realization or as a means to that realization. That is why India is the spiritual Jagat Guru of the world. The second (and equally important) contribution of India is the respect and honoring of diversity in all its ways - in terms of ways of life, different philosophies and perspectives to seek the Divine, different ways of doing the same thing, multiple languages, customs, traditions, art forms, musics, musical instruments, etc., etc. This representation of diversity that India represents stems from the realization of her ancient and continuing lineage of Sages that everything in the universe originates from the One and can lead to the One. Thus even the secularism India has practiced over the millenniums is far more profound than the "forced tolerance" that is confused with secularism in the West.

A civilizational state / Nation survives and prospers only when it continues to stand for what it represents in the world. Otherwise it lacks a soul force and becomes a spent nation like Greece or Rome (current Italy) which then becomes just a landmass and an administrative entity without any special significant role to play in the world's destiny and evolution.

India lost its perspective of the inherent Oneness of everyone when the beautiful Varna concept of Vedas deteriorated into birth based discrimination and its women folk became subjugated to men like other countries of the medieval period. India slowly lost its soul force as a result and the final major blow happened when India was partitioned on the basis of religion. The partition of India was against the funamental principle of unity in diversity that for thousands of years Bharatvarsh under different states stood for. Sages and Mahayogis of past century such as Sri Aurobindo spoke against partition precisely for that reason. That is why having Kashmir as an integral part of India without any special provisions is vital to stand true to the principles we represent as a civilizational state. If what India stood for (and continues to stand for) is an aspect of Truth, it stands to reason that the State found on its co-rollary argument, which was Pakistan disintegrates into multiple states. For India's Soul force to regain its full vitality in the world stage, it is important for these dis-integrated territories to on-their-own seek for and form a coalition with India. Indira Gandhi did the most for India than any other PM when she helped bifurcate Pakistan demonstrating the idealogical argument behind Pakistan as a falsehood. Pakistan is now a menace that has not yet found its reason for existence and instead focusing on its energy to prove some truth behind its founding principles by actively instigating and indulging in terrorism against India. Our work is incomplete as long as West Pakistan stays together as a single entity.

As defenders of Bharath, what are we defending? If we are defending what India stands for and not just an administrative territory, we need to constantly pay attention to and do our best to accelerate the eventual disintegration of west pakistan into multiple states that will be fighting with each other and eventually desiring on their own free will, a loose federation with Bharath. That is bound to happen as nothing built on falsehood will be long lasting. This aspect I humbly submit to the experienced and passionate members of this forum. I second Shivji's suggestion that this thread be re-named to reflect the guiding Truth and reality behind the disintegrating states of Pakistan. The current ground reality of Pakistan makes it most appropriate time to make such a name change. In fact it is overdue for some time!

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 19 Apr 2014 17:47

Reports coming in: Hamid Mir shot at.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-145131-Hamid-Mir-shot-and-injured-in-Karachi

KARACHI: Geo News senior anchorperson Hamid Mir was injured in a firing incident in Karachi on Saturday, Geo News reported.
According to reports, unknown armed men ambushed Mir’s vehicle at Natha Khan bridge. He received bullet injuries and was shifted to a private hospital.
Geo News reporter Afzal Nadeem Dogar said Hamid Mir was traveling from Karachi airport to the Geo office when he was attacked.
Four gunmen riding two motorcycles opened fire on Hamid Mir’s car a few kilometers away from the Airport police station.
Geo News Islamabad bureau chief, Rana Jawad says Hamid Mir spoke to him after being attacked and said that the gunmen were following him and continue to fire at the car.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Apr 2014 17:48

Pak Journo Hamid Mir attacked in Journo per Twitter...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 19 Apr 2014 17:50

hamid mir cutlet-ed. Aoa.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Apr 2014 17:59

No harm in accepting Taliban demands: JI

Jamaat-i-Islami emir Sirajul Haq says the government should give serious consideration to the Taliban demands if it does not want more bloodshed in the country.

he said the Taliban were simply demanding a peace zone for talks where there was no danger of attack

it was an issue of the country’s solidarity and the nation’s future

the JI chief said that in order to hold fair, free and impartial elections, an independent and autonomous election commission on the pattern of that in India

So: We DEMAND Less bloodshed => peace zone => country remaining one and strong => an autonomous election commission a la kafir India. How can you argue with that logic, hain?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Apr 2014 18:03

This news deserves a double AoA. Soldier killed in Peshawar; army depot destroyed in Landi Kotal

a military convoy was attacked in the suburbs of Peshawar and a large stockpile of arms and ammunition was destroyed in a series of explosions in an army camp in Landi Kotal

One soldier lost his life and three others suffered injuries

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Apr 2014 18:11

In the early '70s, mostly out of curiosity ('71 war had just ended) and perhaps out of boredom, we would play with the radio dial (AM band) and try to listen to "Yeh Radio Pakistan Lawhore Hai! Ab aaj ki taaza-taaza khabrein". There was a jingle that would repeat every thirty minutes or so. It went something like this " pakistan ko mardon ki kasar, pakistan ko mardon ki kasar (pakistan needs men)". It was a call by the paki army, looking for a few "mard-e-momeens, I guess.

Does anyone remember that jingle?

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 19 Apr 2014 18:40

1 bc closet jihadi less inshalla. AoA !!

kish · Post by **kish** » 19 Apr 2014 18:43

anupmisra wrote:This news deserves a double AoA. Soldier killed in Peshawar; army depot destroyed in Landi Kotal

One soldier lost his life and three others suffered injuries

3 other injured? wish them ~~speedy recovery~~ who am i kidding, wish they are dead too.

Confusion over Army depot blast, was it done by Taliban or not?

A correspondent of a TV channel said Abu Masaab who identified himself as spokesman for Abdullah Ezzam Brigade, a local militant group, had told him by phone that their men had carried out the attack on the depot.

Another local reporter said a militant leader in the area had denied having carried out the attack.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Apr 2014 18:46

shiv wrote:As the current Indian government enters its last days, I would like to ask anyone who cares, "What did we get from Pakistan for the uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialog that Manmohan Singh and other Congress party worthies said would bring us dividends from Pakistan. Neither have criminals in Pakistan been arrested, nor have the murders of Indians stopped, nor have relations magically improved with free trade and exchanges leading to an improvement in the lives of millions of brothers and sisters of the subcontinent. No progress. Forward or back. Nothing.

If a manager at a factory or shop messed up things this badly he would have been fired. But the government?

Excellent points. But your last sentence seems to contradict your first. As you say, the govt is hopefully on its last days. So I would say that is some punishment.

But that said, I watched for a few minutes a so called "debate" on Arnab's show. The congress spokesman was gloating about how MMS & Co have provided a terror free atmosphere since 26/11. How in contrast BJP invited Mush to Agra, how Vajpayee went to Lahore while Kargil was being planned, how Jassu bhai escorted Paki terrorists. And then this takes the cake. Sanjay Baru's book claiming that Sonia did not agree to MMS's Siachen surrender because she wanted Rahul to make that surrender can claim credit for making "piss" with TSP. Make no mistake, Sanjay Baru was actually praising MMS for his surrender plan, and his criticism was directed against those who opposed that or Sonia for wanting to do the same. All this made my stomach churn.

Assuming Modi were to come to power, I hope he doesn't end up sucking up to TSP Vajpayee style to get into the good books of US and prove his "secular" credentials. And above all, I hope he and his party doesn't indulge in bean counting, we did ths, but Cong did that. If so, ISI will be laughing their asses off to the bank and as you say above, the saga will continue.

Instead, IMO, what Modi needs to do is summon mlitary top brass, RAW, diplomats, thinks tanks with Indian nationalist bent of mind, not Aman ki aasha crap, and then challenge them to come up with a plan that takes into account all of India's strengths: military, economy, size etc. End goal must simple: If TSP sheds its obsession to fly its green crescent over the red fort in Delhi, there will be rewards, or TSP must be broken into manageable pieces.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 19:34

schinnas wrote: If we are defending what India stands for and not just an administrative territory, we need to constantly pay attention to and do our best to accelerate the eventual disintegration of west pakistan into multiple states that will be fighting with each other and eventually desiring on their own free will, a loose federation with Bharath. That is bound to happen as nothing built on falsehood will be long lasting.

Thanks. I appreciate the support.

Islam is not a glue even though the British colonial power said so and Wikipedia says so. India, before or after 1947 stood together because of ancient Indian culture of letting people do their own thing provided the fabric of society remained. That culture is not dead and will not die. It is freedom that existed before that word was invented.

India first did to Islam what islam never discovered - that is to allow it to live and allow Islamic factions to live without murdering each other. This canot happen by itself in islam without outside interference. Islam simply does not have the wherewithal to accept diversity of language and ethnicity without the glue that India provided. Once a piece of India was amputated simply because all were Muslim, the ancient linguistic and ethnic divisiveness came up and Islam simply was not enough to hold it together. The solution for non uniformity of belief and action in Islam is ultimately some form of punishment, often death, implementable at any time.

I put it to folks on here that islam does have some very very powerful glue. But that glue works only when there is almost no ethnic and linguistic diversity. That means the Taliban have a state of Islam that can survive - but inevitably they will come into civilizational conflict with others. They are now in conflict with "secular Pakistan" and nothing in the rules the Taliban follow can allow peace with Pakis unless the Taliban themselves become frauds like the Paki army - pretending to be Islamic.

It will not be easy for the Taliban to come to power in Pakistan - which makes me laugh and dance because the conflict will go on for a long long time. But the current problem is the money and firepower that the pakistani state - dominated by Pakjab, gain from the US and China. Both the US and China are ruthless entities. they will help eliminate every single Pashtun if that is what it takes to keep "Pakistan" alive.

It is time we read the writing on the wall. Pakistan faces an existential dilemma from within and we need to announce in public what Pakistan is. Nothing dramatic. We are simply an impotent internet forum. But i would not underestimate the power of several tens of thousands of young educated and internet savvy Indian who log in or lurk here and learn and then carry the message elsewhere on social media. Many of us here are old codgers. On this page we have at least two people who were young witnesses to the 1971 war - anupmisra and me. We both saw the first evidence of lack of Islamic glue. it is playing up again now. Many of us have been on BR for 15 bloody years. we must lead the way.

Please let us change the name of this thread to indicate Pakistan as it is - maybe Fragmented states of Pakistan or some of the earlier suggestions.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Apr 2014 20:32

Paul wrote:Pak Journo Hamid Mir attacked in Journo per Twitter...

Hamid Mir, prior to this attack, had indicated that if any attempt on his life was made it would be the handiwork of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in particular its notorious terrorist supporting intelligence arm the Inter Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID and its head Lt. Gen. Zaheerul Islam.

……………. Hamid Mir had told his family, friends, colleagues’ army and government officials that if he was attacked the some officials from the ISI and its chief Lt. General Zaheerul Islam would be responsible.

Speaking to Geo News Hamid Mir’s brother, Amir Mir said the senior anchor had visited him and informed him of a plan by ISI chief Lt. General Zaheerul Islam to assassinate him. ……………..

From Geo News here:

Hamid Mir shot, injured in Karachi

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 20:33

The Indian Express ‏@IndianExpress 28m

NEWS FLASH: If reports emerging from the Pakistani media are to be believed former General Pervez Musharraf apparently fled Pakistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 20:35

Hmm Shitistan is a real happening place. IPL and Elections together don't hold a candle to the land of the pure entertainment.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Apr 2014 20:58

Paul wrote:Pak Journo Hamid Mir attacked in Journo per Twitter...

2 attempts and still only injury? Bad marksmanship by TFTA or deliberately left so as a warning?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2014 21:10

Only injured? This guy plagiarized one of our members work. It could be slAAP attack.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Apr 2014 21:14

Pakistan: Convoy Attacked; Taliban Negotiating Will Doubtful

Islamabad, Apr 19 (Prensa Latina) Unidentified gunmen fired at a military convoy in the northwestern province of Peshawar, the first armed incident after the Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP), the main Pakistani rebel organization, refused to extend the truce with the government.

Although no group has claimed responsibility for the attack, which killed a soldier and injured two, officers on the field did not rule out that the perpetrators were members of the TTP or some other rebel factions that operate in this territory, bordering with Afghanistan.

On Wednesday, TTP spokesman Shahidullah Shahid informed that the organization had ended the ceasefire, agreed with the government and that lasted 40 days, because the army and security forces had violated it several times and had killed or tortured over 50 of its members.

Looks like TTP is back in business.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 21:15

Abbas Nasir ‏@abbasnasir59 2h

Geo now saying Hamid Mir told his colleagues, family, friends and some officials if he's attacked DG ISI Lt-Gen Zaheerul Islam responsible.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Apr 2014 21:19

100 Pakistani youngsters visit China to improve ties

Islamabad- A delegation of Pakistani youth has left for Pakistan after wrapping up their visit to China.

According to reports, a delegation of one hundred Pakistani youth completed their visit to China and left for Pakistan from Beijing. The visit was part of bilateral exchanges of youth and people to people contact programme. The objective of this programme is to bring people of Pakistan and China closer through enhanced exchanges of youth visits.

Tarrel than mountain fliend is going to regret this move.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 19 Apr 2014 21:22

shiv wrote:As the current Indian government enters its last days, I would like to ask anyone who cares, "What did we get from Pakistan for the uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialog that Manmohan Singh and other Congress party worthies said would bring us dividends from Pakistan.

No major planned Terrorist Attack from Pakistan since 2008 Mumbai attack , more like you keep the talk going to make it look good or else we could have another 26/11 on agenda.

Pakistan Indias leadership is nothing beyond rhetoric proven via two terror attack on Parliament and 26/11 so its a good bargaining chip to have for them once they know the weakness of Indian leadership. Also note we are gone past those punishment for 26/11 attacker and its gone past public and government memory.

I wont be surprised if Modi comes to power Pakistan might greet him with another Terror operation in India to find out how far he can go and then judge him accordingly.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 21:29

Austin wrote: I wont be surprised if Modi comes to power Pakistan might greet him with another Terror operation in India to find out how far he can go and then judge him accordingly.

Indeed. This is exactly what i am expecting.

The Paki army stands to gain a lot by attacking if Modi becomes PM. It will prove that Modi is against Muslims and that Hindu fundamentalists are in power in India. 2014 is a good year for war with India - though not for India IMO.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Apr 2014 21:31

Dilbu wrote:100 Pakistani youngsters visit China to improve ties
Islamabad- A delegation of Pakistani youth has left for Pakistan after wrapping up their visit to China.

According to reports, a delegation of one hundred Pakistani youth completed their visit to China and left for Pakistan from Beijing. The visit was part of bilateral exchanges of youth and people to people contact programme. The objective of this programme is to bring people of Pakistan and China closer through enhanced exchanges of youth visits.
Tarrel than mountain fliend is going to regret this move.

Nice Islamically approved dance by them showing Pakistan culture

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2014 21:43

Austin, Don't forget David Headly urf Daoud Gilani while on US payroll provided all the target intelligence. This time we don't know. The US was a hidden/implicit factor. They restrained MMS who was anyways self restrained due to his SeS sellout. This time the circumstances and NDA track record will force Modi to respond with what he has and not wait for excuses from MEA and MoD

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Apr 2014 21:44

Austin,

Indeed. Was it a western dork or an Indian dork or Paki, I can't recall, but he was mentioning how Modi PM would be bad for both India and TSP because he might insist on bringing the perpetrators of 26/11 to justice, or won't be open to changing the status quo in Kashmir.

So look at how low the bar is being set to declare Modi a Hindu fascist hell bent in stoking tensions with the bloody abomination like TSP. This is like a free hit for TSP. It has to set in motion an attack plan it has in its kitty, as usual deny, and thumb its nose, scream Kashmir, nuke war, Gujarat riots, you name it. And if Modi raises a little finger, its Hindu fascist govt taking "South Asia" to a nuclear war. Pankaj Misra and Adhothi will be screaming on the front pages of NYT/WP. And Economist (recall the recent issue where the bloody b@stards demonized Modi nd asked India to vote for an imbecile like Rahul) will say we told you so. And there will be the usual some 2-bit US state dept official making trips to India & TSP to supposedly prevent nuke war. In effect this tamasha which we have seen many times before will constrain Modi and India. He must be vigilant to not be trapped in this box.

kish · Post by **kish** » 19 Apr 2014 22:18

shiv wrote:
Austin wrote: I wont be surprised if Modi comes to power Pakistan might greet him with another Terror operation in India to find out how far he can go and then judge him accordingly.
Indeed. This is exactly what i am expecting.

The Paki army stands to gain a lot by attacking if Modi becomes PM. It will prove that Modi is against Muslims and that Hindu fundamentalists are in power in India. 2014 is a good year for war with India - though not for India IMO.

Shiv ji,

I would like to ask you something, couple of years ago there was a discussion here on how the Indian politicians fear the "Unpredictability" of pakistan. This is the main factor in deterring any meaningful response for paki sponsored terrorism, Several BRFiets agreed their "unpredictability" is there strength.

Now several pakis associate this "unpredictability" to Narendra Modi (paki ammbasadors, paki special envoys, paki media, etc ), the same feeling is shared by the west, WKKs, RNIs. some paki forum discuss "what if Modi uses nuclear weapons against pakistan?", "Will there be war with India?", etc. They are really really scarred about Modi.

Would pakis really contemplate a terrorist attack?

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 19 Apr 2014 22:40

The first three months are critical for the new government as it takes that much time for the cabinet and officials to settle into their roles and prepare for various contingency plans w.r.to. TSP and its agents. That makes that period vulnerable time for GoI to prevent and/or handle attacks. However, we have two things going for us. One good thing is that the IM's back has been broken and they have not been able to do anything during election time. Secondly, our intelligence agencies and law enforcement will be extra vigilant and would not want to be held accountable by NaMo for any slip-up on their part. They would know that internal security would be a priority area if NDA is elected.

For both these reasons, I doubt it will be very easy for TSP to stage a denyable attack in a short time frame. Their international reputation is at rock bottom and they just cannot afford another 26/11 where one of their soosai bombers is caught alive. I am very sure NaMo has a team of strategists that has been working over-time to draft policies and contingency plans w.r.to potential internal security, economy, defence and foreign policy challenges.

That said, if something were to happen, it becomes imperative for NaMo to act tough to send a message of deterrance. Re-opening the covert wing of RAA that was closed down by Gujral might be one step to cause deterrence.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Apr 2014 22:43

kish wrote:
Would pakis really contemplate a terrorist attack?

Absolutely 400% they are. And TSP is salivating at the prospect of Modi retaliating in frontal assualt because of two reasons: 1) They know India does not have the military capability to strike a decisive blow, TSP wants a bloody war, 2) The scum bags you listed who will be blaming India.

Thus, neither should Modi launch into an all out un-winnable frontal assault as a military response, nor should he bend down on his knees like the current crop of corrupt cowards and traitors in Delhi. India's response must be measured and calculated. Above all, truth of TSP perfidy must be established first in the minds of Indians. Then, when push comes to shove, if India has to go on a full scale war, Indian public will be fully behind it.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 20 Apr 2014 00:11

I wonder how many non-pakis showed up for this gala event? International Tourism Expo starts in Lahore

Punjab Chief Minister Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif inaugurating the expo said that this expo would go a long way in promoting tourism in Pakistan

The objective of the expo is to promote tourism, attract the international tourists and earn some foreign exchange

That's right. Some foreign exchange is better than none. Got to give it to the pakis for being "slightly" optimistic. Comments on this news article:

VISIT PAKISTAN and have a blast!

Abe Ch..ootiya kaun ayega Pakistan.

Pakistan - Your final destination.Pakistan - Great people to die with. Pakistan - God's own graveyard. Pakistan - 72 virgins awaiting you. Pakistan - Experience Talibans first hand. Pakistan - A pure land with impure people.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Apr 2014 02:02

Hamir Mir geo journalist seriously injured in gun shot

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 20 Apr 2014 03:54

Peregrine wrote: On a BBV TV show on India the host interviewd all sorts of Indians - In Cities, Towns, Villages etc. Whereas the Non-Muslims identified themselves as Indian First, all the Muslims stated that they were Muslims First.

shiv wrote:This is really interesting

What was the exact question that the BBC people came to India to ask Indians that evoked such a response which BBC then broadcast all over the world.

Was the question on the lines of "Do you consider yourself Indian first or Muslim or Hindu first?"

if that was the case, what the fuk was the BBC doing coming and asking Indians that question in India? There is an Indian way of dealing with meddling foreign busybodies - smashing the camera would be only the first step.

shiv Ji :

This was sometime in the Mid Eighties after the BBC Aired the "Jewel in the Crown" Series when the BBC Correspondent interviewed some Mango Indians.

IIRC one of the Muslims Person was an ordinary weaver in a UP town. He was asked if he was a Muslim First or an Indian First and he replied immediately "Muslim First".

Cheers