Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Apr 2014 21:48

LKA I think has deep links with Pakistani Sindhi splittists. Modi should not loose a chance to break off Sindh through sama and Bheda send a little bit of Dana thrown in.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 19 Apr 2014 21:49

Namo will lose onlee.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Apr 2014 21:49

Rahul M wrote:wait for May 16 guys. this is premature ......

sorry sir! sometimes it's hard not to go with the flow. the hopes have some chance of reality now. and that is infectious.

don't underestimate INC!

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 19 Apr 2014 21:51

Please keep Joshi out of HRD. We want to be world-beaters in S&T not in astrology.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Apr 2014 21:56

This time I think dynasty is fighting their last fight. If they loose they are finished. If they win Modi is finished. I hope the loosing party go on though and get revitalized to keep India centrist and and the most pluralistic nation in the world.

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 19 Apr 2014 21:59

No Maid Bai is working the usual jobs in Malkajgiri Secuderabad
Man Rs700 per day to get into a lorry and shout slogans
Woman Rs 500 per day to do into lorry and shout slogans

Chicken biryani + beer bottle at the end of day 8 hours approximately including bathroom breaks

from field reports received few seconds ago

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 19 Apr 2014 22:02

matrimc wrote:LKA I think has deep links with Pakistani Sindhi splittists. Modi should not loose a chance to break off Sindh through sama and Bheda send a little bit of Dana thrown in.

If Modi can prevent LKA factions and fractions in BJP from messing up chances, that is more than Sindh acquisitions

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 19 Apr 2014 22:05

matrimc wrote: If they win Modi is finished. <agreed part>.

actually India's great power mongering is finished. India as slave center for the west will flourish with proxy kala angrez gov.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Apr 2014 22:23

Supratik wrote:I would be also worried about giving ministership to LKA, SS, AK, VN, MMJ, etc.

All these people can be accommodated in a new National Advisory Council (NAC) whose recommendations are never carried out!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Apr 2014 22:27

Yogi_G wrote:right wing secular party. Amazing!

We all know what it means

A right wing "secular" party is possible only when India becomes a Christian/Islamic nation.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 19 Apr 2014 22:37

read the whole thing , till bottom

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Apr 2014 22:38

gandharva wrote:
devesh wrote:If AK wins against NN, give him a Ministry. MMJ, in the same vein, can be given the Education/Culture Ministry with direct message from Modi that he can fulfill all his un-achieved dreams from the Vajpayee era.

Keep LKA out. he is done.

SS should be given the ambassadorship to USA. time to put her right in the middle of temptation and see if she takes the bait. if she does, Modi/BJP/RSS don't need a better excuse to get rid of her.

who is VN?
Keep him away from HRD/education/culture . Some one in Rajiv Malhotra or Koenraad Elst mould.

RM & KE will destroy HRD/Education/Culture. They are too small for the challenge at hand.

There are hundreds of better candidates than RM/KE for these jobs.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Apr 2014 23:10

आज तक ‏@aajtak 37m

'18 की उम्र में कत्ल करके घर से भागे थे मोदी'...http://bit.ly/1mmzonh

Beni says "Modi ran away from home after committing murder at 18"

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 19 Apr 2014 23:13

RajeshA wrote: All these people can be accommodated in a new National Advisory Council (NAC) whose recommendations are never carried out!

There should not be any extra-constitutional unelected authority determining the course of the country.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Apr 2014 23:15

pankajs wrote:
आज तक ‏@aajtak 37m

'18 की उम्र में कत्ल करके घर से भागे थे मोदी'...http://bit.ly/1mmzonh
Beni says "Modi ran away from home after committing murder at 18"

Meanwhile Beni is staying at home and assisting Congress murderers!*

1984 Delhi murders.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 19 Apr 2014 23:30

Nijalingappa wrote:If Modi can prevent LKA factions and fractions in BJP from messing up chances, that is more than Sindh acquisitions

Anna, Touche.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 20 Apr 2014 00:18

Modi interview to Thanthi TV

http://www.thanthitv.com/Video/VideoLis ... 6b64677139

Man, he sounds extremely confident. Says in general front runner benefits from higher turnout, but this time there is only front runner!!

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 20 Apr 2014 00:28

devesh wrote:Venkaiah Naidu's administrative ability is not much known. but if he is capable, he should be given infra or civil aviation or something like that. I think he has enough wits to understand his boss's orders and get things done if given the chance. putting him in charge of the Highways development/Infra sector is not a bad idea.

Infra or civil is a key industry especially so after the UPA f(ked it up for the last 10 years. You need some one younger and more dynamic. I don't think VN Is capable of handling it and like you said he is not proven. His only track record is liquidating the AP BJP. If he should be made a minister, stick him in something that is not crucial.

I think MMJ took quite a few steps to correct the NCERT syllabus last time around. Probably he can continue in that.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Apr 2014 01:04

Supratik wrote:
RajeshA wrote: All these people can be accommodated in a new National Advisory Council (NAC) whose recommendations are never carried out!
There should not be any extra-constitutional unelected authority determining the course of the country.

That's what I said, they would not be determining anything!

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Apr 2014 01:09

MMJ's colleagues from BHU days in physics do not think very highly of his abilities. His track record is dubious at best though he can throw his weight around a lot.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Apr 2014 01:16

Folks watch this vid on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=782623131748426

केजरी साहेब का केशव पान भंडार, लंका, वाराणसी पे, विरोध. (Protest against Farzi at AAP meeting, Keshav Paan Bhandar, Lanka, Varanasi)

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 20 Apr 2014 01:41

Modi song in Telugu.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 20 Apr 2014 01:45

Obama quietly reverses Hillary’s ‘get Modi’ policy

Barack Obama has quietly reversed a policy initiated by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to "get Narendra Modi" — ostensibly for the 2002 Gujarat riots, but in actuality "for taking stands that may be different from that favoured by the US administration" — in the words of a senior analyst in New York.

"Hillary Clinton likes to operate through NGOs, which are given funding through indirect channels, and which target individuals and countries seen as less than respectful to her views on foreign and domestic policy in the target countries," a retired US official now based in Atlanta said. He claimed that "rather than US NGOs, (the former) Secretary of State Clinton favoured operating through organisations based in the Netherlands, Denmark and the Scandinavian countries, especially Norway" as these were outside the radar of big power politics. These NGOs were active in the agitation against the Russian nuclear power plant at Kudankulam in Tamil Nadu, with "funding coming mainly from a religious organisation based in Europe that has close links with France".

Incidentally, French companies are in direct competition with Russian rivals in seeking to expand the market for nuclear reactors in India. The senior official, now on a visit to India, claimed that "your (i.e. the Manmohan Singh) government has full details of the religious organisation involved in funding the Kudankulam protests, but is keeping this secret as the organisation has high-level backers" in the UPA.

These present and retired officials claimed that "during the tenure in office of Secretary Clinton, several expert teams in the guise of NGOs were sent to Gujarat to try and find mass graves". The purpose was to then take the matter to the Office of the UN Commissioner of Human Rights in Geneva as an example of genocide. "In 2011, some bones were discovered in a Gujarat field by one of the search teams and there was much excitement, but these were later found to be buffalo bones", an official said. The official added that "no evidence whatsoever of mass graves was uncovered in Gujarat despite six years of clandestine searching for them" by undercover experts posing as representatives of NGOs. He added that "five politicians, three from the state and two in Delhi, assisted the search teams, but the information given by them proved unproductive".

Finally, "now that Secretary Clinton had stepped down from office, by end-2012 orders were given to stop wasting time on the search for mass graves in Gujarat, much to the dismay of those NGOs who were getting significant funding as a consequence of the search operations". Interestingly, the senior official claimed that because of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's inability to water down the Nuclear Liability Act and Defence Minister A.K. Antony's decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter to its US rival, "orders were given to activate the Khalistan file so as to create embarrassment for Sonia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh".

Another official, now retired, claimed that "since 2011, several search teams have been active in Punjab, seeking human remains in suspected mass graves". According to them, "key politicians in Punjab have assisted these search teams and on occasion even provided logistical facilities for them".

Coming back to the BJP's PM candidate Narendra Modi, these sources say that the Obama administration has dialled back on the hectic efforts by Hillary Clinton to paint the Gujarat CM as guilty of mass murder and even genocide. "This is clear from the latest report of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, which has sharply scaled back its criticism of the Modi government as compared to earlier reports".

According to a senior official, "President Obama does not share Hillary Clinton's confrontational approach and her preference for Sonia Gandhi, and is looking to establish a pragmatic partnership with India should Modi become the Prime Minister". Hence the search "for a US envoy who would be different from (former ambassador) Nancy Powell's Clinton-style hostile approach to Modi, and to find an individual who could be expected to bond with the new PM and his team".

According to these sources, President Obama "is alarmed at the steep downslide in India-US ties caused by Hillary-style crusades, and wants the relationship to be even better than what it was under the Bush presidency".

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 20 Apr 2014 01:53

Viven
This article is a keeper. Bluntly talks about US funded NGO's targeting Modi

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Apr 2014 02:01

Keep it.. but they are like cat on the wall... wait for May 16th.. and see how the world flips!

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 20 Apr 2014 02:03

matrimc wrote:This time I think dynasty is fighting their last fight. If they loose they are finished. If they win Modi is finished. I hope the loosing party go on though and get revitalized to keep India centrist and and the most pluralistic nation in the world.

If Dynasty wins, India as we envisage is finished. Stakes are high and it"s going to be dirty fight.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 20 Apr 2014 02:06

RamaY wrote:
devesh wrote:If AK wins against NN, give him a Ministry. MMJ, in the same vein, can be given the Education/Culture Ministry with direct message from Modi that he can fulfill all his un-achieved dreams from the Vajpayee era.

Keep LKA out. he is done.

SS should be given the ambassadorship to USA. time to put her right in the middle of temptation and see if she takes the bait. if she does, Modi/BJP/RSS don't need a better excuse to get rid of her.

who is VN?
gandharva wrote:
Keep him away from HRD/education/culture . Some one in Rajiv Malhotra or Koenraad Elst mould.
RM & KE will destroy HRD/Education/Culture. They are too small for the challenge at hand.

There are hundreds of better candidates than RM/KE for these jobs.

Rajiv Malhotra has good instincts to smell foul play by Westerners and to understand their policies and strategies. He is quite good as a sniper in a civilizational psychological war and soft-power tussle. My feeling is however that he doesn't allow any second to share the heights with himself as another sniper. Sometimes he starts indulging in friendly fire and taking down other snipers on the same side. Of course he should be there as a sniper on the Bharatiya side. But he cannot be the general conducting the civilizational-information war.

Koenraad Elst is just a referee, who may be listened to or ignored.

Murli Manohar Joshi has the right instincts to what he wants done, that is to change what is fed into young minds in the schools in India, so that they better appreciate Bharatiya Sabhyata and Bharatiya Sanskriti, but he is lousy with strategy. He puts the most precious weaponry, the C-130 and Sukhois up front, and gives our detractors a golden opportunity to blow them up before they even take to the air, as it happened last time, when his curriculum changes were criticized.

Whatever changes we wish to introduce into the curriculum, whatever historical revision we wish to push, it has to be coated with some sheath, protected by a shield, that every change can face the barricade of criticism and still be able to stand its own.

The new Bharatiya historians needs to able to look at the Wendy Donigers, Martha Nussbaums, Michael Witzels and Romila Thapars and stare them down, thrash their arguments and whip their academic standing.

I hope Indian students are taught Bharatiya Sabhyata and Sanskriti starting from Out-of-Africa migration all the way to 2014, the year of the Renewal. I hope that Indian students are taught how to deal with our Vedic, Puranic, Epic, Philosophical and historical treasures and not get bogged down with religious vs secular debate.

I can't say who would be best suited to oversee this change.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 20 Apr 2014 02:12

Muppalla wrote:
Modi song in Telugu.

Jingos Khush and RNIs covering Mush. Bahut Kusch Ho Gya, Abb Modi Aaa Gya !!

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 20 Apr 2014 03:13

Thati TV interview is one of the best one I have seen of NaMO! One has to commend the journalist on the clarity and the guts to provide the canvas to NaMO!

member_28555 · Post by **member_28555** » 20 Apr 2014 03:18

wow, so much passion in that protest

pankajs wrote:Folks watch this vid on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=782623131748426

केजरी साहेब का केशव पान भंडार, लंका, वाराणसी पे, विरोध. (Protest against Farzi at AAP meeting, Keshav Paan Bhandar, Lanka, Varanasi)

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 20 Apr 2014 03:24

https://twitter.com/vagabondoc/status/4 ... 20/photo/1

awesome cartoon

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Apr 2014 04:00

sivab wrote:Modi interview to Thanthi TV

http://www.thanthitv.com/Video/VideoLis ... 6b64677139

Man, he sounds extremely confident. Says in general front runner benefits from higher turnout, but this time there is only front runner!!

Wow...a very good interview. Probably one of the best. The more one gets away from Delhi and its Media circle, the better is the quality of interviews. Modi gave the most elaborate explanation on the "skull cap" episode. His answers on economic policies and policies were the same we had heard but hopefully it reached more audience in TN. The interviewer was clear and asked honest (that is what it seemed like) questions. Pandey did not try to corner Modi, it was truly an information gathering session that TN could use.

In every state Modi now travels, he should spend 2-3 hours giving local TV interviews. Let the vernacular media know he is available for interviews, they will queue up. Give them 20-30 mins, weave the local interests in the answers and watch the votes increase. These small TV stations have their share of audience and fans - the point is to reach these people.

There is still a lot of voting left, and mindshare to be captured. Sure, these vernacular TV will ask some some hot and repeated questions. But the flavor and angle will be different. It will give Modi to present his case differently and he can customize it to local interests.

Reading the Dinamala interview, and watching PT and Thanthi TV interviews, I think TN is ready for grabs. Definitely there is going to be a vote share increase, seats? Dunno.

BTW, Pandey mixed his English and Hindi with great Southie/Tamil accent. It felt so warm and comfortable. At one point in time I think he said "Indian English" Is he BRFite

)) ?

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 20 Apr 2014 04:02

sivab wrote:Modi interview to Thanthi TV
http://www.thanthitv.com/Video/VideoLis ... 6b64677139
Man, he sounds extremely confident. Says in general front runner benefits from higher turnout, but this time there is only front runner!!

The finger snapping by NaMo during an interview was a first..

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Apr 2014 04:09

Yeah, I have not seen him snapping his fingers. Even the TV9 interviewer was great. Was it Prakash? Man his Hindi accent was awesome. BTW, Rajdeep Sardesai Hindi accent is worse than mine

))))

Modi....keep giving these interviews everyday until you are not allowed to do so

))))) These interviewers will not bind you in a shell, and will give you more opportunity to show your thinking, ideas and vision for the country. In fact it will allow you to blossom even more when challenged with different questions.

It is evident that these TV folks are moving away from 2002 and asking hopeful and questions that the people are asking of the future. The RSS defense by Modi on CNBC was again very well structure and presented with finesse.

And I was one of the first to suggest breaking/splitting the Media. Me like the 'News Traders' concept. He has effectively split the media and now there will be a section who will distance themselves from the 'News Traders'. Give media sufficient room to back out gracefully, some personnel will use that to retrieve and eventually join the Modi bandwagon. This is exactly how it has to be achieved. Beautifully done. One should paint the whole media as bad. A very good move by the Modi Team.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 20 Apr 2014 04:14

MM Joshi should be put to pasture where he can do minimum harm. He likes to hog the limelight and is a motormouth. In fact Rajiv experienced this himself when BJP was in power (pertaining to a Sanskrit conference organized in Thailand.. RM did all the work setting it up and MMJ wanted to take all the credit). One's approach is dictated by the role. RM is highly driven, very sharp, has a track record and made considerable personal sacrifices and brave choices to follow his instincts; He funds projects and has been on various committees at the state level in NJ; He is the chairman of Indic studies at a Mass university. Yeah he is very frank and blunt. FYI, I've known him for many years. He's visited India 3-4 times per year for the last 40 years. There are few, if any, academics like that. If RM can be persuaded to play a meaningful role, that would be a good thing, while he is still healthy. Life is very finite.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 20 Apr 2014 04:43

While I personally do not like RM's attitude and behavior, but he is very useful intellectual. He is an American citizen, so I am not sure how much an Indian government can use him. He would definitely be a great individual to steer Indian cultural, spiritual, historical and knowledge based institutions. He is a great idea generator and would pair well with Modi and Swamy types of people. Modi could charter RM to write the 21st century Bharatiya Smriti (all trademark and copyright to moi onlee

). There have been numerous works in the last 500 years, but not many of them were monumental. India is ready to contribute and guide the world with a new economic and philosophical systems. RM would be a good person. However, I don't think he is a team player. So things will run into rough weather, and Modi would have to step in to sort differences.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 20 Apr 2014 05:16

^^Well, if amartya sen can be given the charge of setting up Nalanda Univ (which has tremendous brand recall, equity etc) then why not Rajiv malhotra?

RM can do serious stuff there, for protecting and nurturing the sacred (from his 'invading the sacred'). And put a stop to the doninger anussbaum types getting visas tocome here for 'study' of our scriptures in original and then pissing on the same.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Apr 2014 05:21

ramana wrote:
pankajs wrote:आज तक ‏@aajtak 37m

'18 की उम्र में कत्ल करके घर से भागे थे मोदी'...http://bit.ly/1mmzonh
Beni says "Modi ran away from home after committing murder at 18"
Meanwhile Beni is staying at home and assisting Congress murderers!*

1984 Delhi murders.

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We have been BENIS across yellow seas.. what we don't know are the benis and mullah-m s within the country.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Apr 2014 05:23

I don't know how much notice this got but in the Dinamani interview Modi made a statement that India will consider itself responsible for the well-being of Indians everywhere--not clear if he meant Indian citizens or PIOs. Anyway, it sounded like a reversal of the policy since Nehru's time that, if an Indian took up residence outside India, then he or she should not expect India to come to his / her aid and support.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 20 Apr 2014 05:29

Subramaniam Swamy and RM go back a long ways. That's how he got the Modi one-on-one meeting (my speculation). Expect him to get a role in the new setting, 100% onlee. Maybe not right away.. but surely by end of the year? As to what Subramaniam Swamy will do is an even more interesting question.