Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Apr 2014 13:41

But for social media, such incidents won't go even reported.

A lot of states need local Shiv Sena kind of political forces.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 25 Apr 2014 13:43

Summon Manmohan Singh by June 18 for Human Rights violation: US court

US courts have become experts in handling cases where neither the perpetrator nor the victims are under their jurisdiction.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Apr 2014 13:45

SanjayC wrote:Summon Manmohan Singh by June 18 for Human Rights violation: US court

Modi government should send a counter summosn to george bush and even the dead us presidents for human rights violations of the native Americans, the Mexicans, Philippines, the Japanese, Puerto Ricans, the Argentines etc.

Seriously what do these f*ckers in US think?

member_28173 · Post by **member_28173** » 25 Apr 2014 13:46

ramana wrote:
RajeshA wrote:In this election I think NaMo has not only finished Congress (< 75) but also humbled all sorts of regional satraps - Mayawati and Mulayam, Lalu and Nitish, but also outside the Hindi heartland - Jayalalitha, Mamata, Naveen and Pawar! And Kejriwal is being swatted to pulp!

NaMo has given each and everybody a bloody nose! One Man and his Team!

Modern day Ashwamedha!!!

+100000000

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Apr 2014 13:47

vishvak wrote:But for social media, such incidents won't go even reported.

A lot of states need local Shiv Sena kind of political forces.

But even for some brfites the SS MNS are chi chi.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 25 Apr 2014 14:01

Neela wrote:EC claims on missing voter list - "it is an error and nothing can be done now" - does it stand a chance in court?

Names simply cannot vanish. The EC must be forced to explain what caused the error.
The missing count runs into lakhs and such large numbers affect the outcome of polls. The EC, of all bodies , should know this. If they did not spot this and rectify, it speaks very poorly of them and the election officer deserves a boot.
I hope the courts understand this.

Regarding, deletion of names, there is a process to follow. What has happened in MH atlest is that the said process was not foolowed.

The setup is as follows:
Each district has an "Election Branch". This branch has a Deputy Election Officer (DEO). He/she works in co-ordination with the District Collector. The DEO is a supervisory post onlee. The tehsildar and staff of the collectorate make up the other members of this "Election Branch".

During non-election period, the staff of the "Election Branch" has the task of upgdation, addition and deletion of the electoral rolls.

The actual process is:
1. Staff visit the houses in all assembly constituency to physically verify if the voter is present or not.
2. If persons present, no change.
3. If not present, should verify with neighbours, which is never done.
4. If not present and neighbours don't have any info, paste the notice on the front door. The notice states present your documents or yourselves before the authority before so and so date.
5. At the end of such drive, a newspaper advertisement is to be placed informing about dates for updation of rolls.
6. If person does not present himself or list of documents, name is deleted.

There are many cases where names of some of the family members are present but others are deleted. If process was followed, this can never occur. Hence, the inference of "arbitrary deletion to suit particular party."

With the District Collector and staff being state appointees, any malice on the part of the party in power can be performed by the Election Branch.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Apr 2014 14:04

Sachin Reddy ‏@snsachinnandu 3h
AINRC, an NDA ally is taking Pondicherry Loksabha seat with a comfortable lead!
Now smile:-):-)

Sachin Reddy ‏@snsachinnandu 16h
Im not at all surprised if PMK wins 5 seats!! Im freakingly Serious!!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Apr 2014 14:10

panduranghari wrote:
vishvak wrote:But for social media, such incidents won't go even reported.

A lot of states need local Shiv Sena kind of political forces.
But even for some brfites the SS MNS are chi chi.

Not to mention how population control measures don't seem to affect infiltrators. Or how the principal who called for voting in certain way is silent now. MSM is silent too.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 25 Apr 2014 14:10

The numbers being spoken of are absolutely huge. And many reports from the same, not all are retweeting the same tweets over and over. And not just from one city.

And the beauty is that this can be attributed to incompetence as its difficult to prove that it was done deliberately. The CT is that all of these things are done in places where the fight is close. Just enough to influence the result in the way its needed. Only a truly massive vote percentage can overcome this.

What I'm saying is that none of this can ever be proved, but I'm convinced of what has happened.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2014 14:13

if shaken hard enough by a regime changed admin, many will talk. such widespread fraud needs collaborators at many places.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Apr 2014 14:19

Is not the local Municipal Corp that maintains the payrolls? and who controls the Mumbai Municipality?

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Apr 2014 14:25

From Twitter:

@MadusudhanR @Realist_Indian @rahulgrover88 Paranoia this. Mom, an officer in South Bombay, said massive Gujarati-Marathi Voting. 6-0 NDA

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2014 14:29

with so many contradictory tweets and bigfoot/yeti sightings, I can see may16 is going to be on epic nervous day.

ppl should lay in stock of salty food and liquor if that helps calm the nerves.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Apr 2014 14:33

http://www.newstag.in/rahul-gandhi-cong ... -bbc-news/

Ms Gupta says the Congress is “mentally prepared” that they will not win this election, and even a poor tally will not be a major setback for the Gandhi scion.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2014 14:40

behind the scenes they are trying level best to reduce NDA tally even if it means sacrificing their own candidates who spent crores on elections.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Apr 2014 14:54

Vinita Deshmukh ‏@VinitaDeshmukh 23m

P I Sawant says he cannot take FIR and he has already got statement from EO.dat procedure was adopted. i again read out @Dev_Fadnavis tweet

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Apr 2014 14:55

Dr. Praveen Patil @5Forty3 · 1m
So Tamil Nadu, Odisha and Assam have defied Dilli Punditry, electoral history and BJP's geographical limitations!

So only Kerala would be defying NDA, but hearing even there the vote is going to LDF away from UDF, so Congress may plummet even there.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Apr 2014 14:57

There is lot of angst at the BJP for their Media coup in Varanasi...he reverberations are still felt in media and everyone from Mayawati to the CongI are complaining to the EC.

Dr. Praveen Patil ‏@5Forty3 35m
Except for Medha Patkar all other AAP candidates are in danger of losing deposits in Mumbai @harshlapsia

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 25 Apr 2014 15:06

Dev Fadnavis says on IBN Lokmat that after careful post-election analysis he is confident that Mahayuti would win 35 seats in MH despite voters deletion fraud. AoA!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Apr 2014 15:13

Sachin Kalbag @SachinKalbag 1h
Per EC's data, the following numbers were deleted from voters' list: Thane: 6.7 lakh, Mumbai: 3.22 lakh. Maharashtra total: 13.29 lakh

If one writes Sachin and Kalbag together, BRF software turns it into *deleted*. Funny! Wonder why?

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 25 Apr 2014 15:20

Can't the missing voters be asked to report to a particular booth and vote using ballot papers. Add their votes to the totals that emerge from their respective constituencies.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2014 15:30

RajeshA wrote:
Sachin Kalbag *deleted* *deleted*
Per EC's data, the following numbers were deleted from voters' list: Thane: 6.7 lakh, Mumbai: 3.22 lakh. Maharashtra total: 13.29 lakh
If one writes Sachin and Kalbag together, BRF software turns it into *deleted*. Funny! Wonder why?

C*H*I*N*K substring search.

The funniest part is reading mil threads with "the *deleted* in armor of IV army were to prove costly"

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Apr 2014 15:31

NitiCentral.com ‏@NitiCentral 1h

#NaMoInPunjab Delhi Govt is worried about Modi coming to power. It is for first time that a Govt is joining forces with NGOs to win polls.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Apr 2014 15:35

Suraj wrote:Merlin, as the saying goes, why attribute to malice, what can be better explained by incompetence ? I could argue that you 'refuse to consider' that the EC just screwed up. They've done a pretty good job of managing a voter roll of 815 million people. In comparison, the US, despite its vastly greater resources and simpler electoral system, has badly screwed up state and national elections within the past decade and half.

+1 Suraj. I am not saying there was no malice anywhere at all, but in every election, you find that somewhere the electoral list has been screwed up. Every election, you find thousands at every constituency who could not vote at all. Besides, all this is done in Corporation ward offices in cities, and BJP-SS are in power in the corporation in Mumbai, IIRC. Does that mean that SS-BJP colluded in the removal of the names of their own supporters?

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2014 15:38

vic wrote:BRF is still obsessed with Caste Divide but the important issue I am seeing that Modi is destroying the caste divide. People of all walks of life feels like "he is one of us".

That debris has been washed away. Peple are mostly voting for NaMo and not for even local BJP candidate.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2014 15:47

Neela wrote:EC claims on missing voter list - "it is an error and nothing can be done now" - does it stand a chance in court?

Names simply cannot vanish. The EC must be forced to explain what caused the error.
The missing count runs into lakhs and such large numbers affect the outcome of polls. The EC, of all bodies , should know this. If they did not spot this and rectify, it speaks very poorly of them and the election officer deserves a boot.
I hope the courts understand this.

If one or two laks of people don't know that their names are deleted and they don't even verify before election if there name is in the list , what Courts would do?? If people are not vigilant and aware of rights . They could have enrolled their names before the last date of filing nominations and be enclosing proofs. At least that could have all petitioned to ECI. They always take action. even now once results are declared, people can begin enrolling their names under a process called continuous updation. ECI website has online application process and most of the state election offices have online processes now. If that does not work, download the form from the link given in one of the forum thread which is currently sticky and apply to Electoral registration officer or send your form to ECI.
Only morons don't get to caste their votes.They may be highly educated, salaried or in high profession or rich, but still they remain moron unless they choose not to enroll and in that case they have no right to crib against ills of the country.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2014 15:52

chaanakya wrote: Only morons don't get to caste their votes..

Chaanakya ji -- dont be so harsh. I do know people who had tried really hard but could not get their names in the list. I know people who had been voting for 25+ years from a certain location and had their names magically removed when they were least expecting it.

Voting should not be a cross country steeple chase, with only the most dedicated person getting to the booth, it should be a easy, comfortable process where everyone who wants gets his name in the rolls in a simple non-intrusive way.

The voter rolls is a HUGE HUGE snafu.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Apr 2014 16:17

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -rivals-2/

A Record 78 candidates are in the fray in the Varanasi Lok Sabha seat from where BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi filed his nomination papers Thursday.

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 25 Apr 2014 16:17

Singha wrote:with so many contradictory tweets and bigfoot/yeti sightings, I can see may16 is going to be on epic nervous day.

ppl should lay in stock of salty food and liquor if that helps calm the nerves.

archan · Post by **archan** » 25 Apr 2014 16:20

Sanku wrote:
chaanakya wrote: Only morons don't get to caste their votes..
Chaanakya ji -- dont be so harsh. I do know people who had tried really hard but could not get their names in the list. I know people who had been voting for 25+ years from a certain location and had their names magically removed when they were least expecting it.

Voting should not be a cross country steeple chase, with only the most dedicated person getting to the booth, it should be a easy, comfortable process where everyone who wants gets his name in the rolls in a simple non-intrusive way.

The voter rolls is a HUGE HUGE snafu.

someone on twitter said that their name was there on March 9 verification day but disappeared thereafter. Can't expect a voter to do much in such cases.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 25 Apr 2014 16:28

tweeterati claiming that a firm run by a son of luxuryking countryface (vilasrao deshmukh) was given the contract of digitisation of voter records by Mah EC. any truth to this ?

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 25 Apr 2014 16:44

Missing voter names: Illegal deletions, modifications of voter list galore

Very informative article in Moneylife.in. Goes to show that deletions were deliberate.

http://moneylife.in/article/missing-vot ... 37147.html

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Apr 2014 16:49

rajpurohit BJYM® ‏@ravindra1044 1h

Not surprising that Amit Deshmukh s/o Vilasrao Deshmukh,has the contract of digitization of Maharashtra Voter List #ECActNow @rajuparulekar

Rajdeep Sardesai ‏@sardesairajdeep 1h

India at 9: voters go missing in Mumbai/pune. Conspiracy or system failure? Join the debate @ibnlive

Team #NaMo4PM ‏@NaMo_Team 2h

For those asking, @KiritSomaiya has taken up the matter of missing names in voter list very seriously with the EC. pic.twitter.com/RkDzZ75tkZ

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Apr 2014 16:59

krishnan wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -rivals-2/

A Record 78 candidates are in the fray in the Varanasi Lok Sabha seat from where BJP prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi filed his nomination papers Thursday.

Aha. Nice. Since 78 > 64, paper ballots will have to be used. So be it.

Meanwhile, voter IDs also point to a fraud in the making. Some reports doing the rounds of people finding their votes already cast etc. Fraud IDs that beedees are making locally may be doing it. Here's a chweet example: Consider one Mr Jain below...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 25 Apr 2014 17:08

TIMES NOW ‏@timesnow 2h

At 8 PM tonight on Frankly Speaking: #JaitleySpeaksToArnab, says too many skeletons in Congress' cupboard pic.twitter.com/UIh295HDda

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 25 Apr 2014 17:45

Saars,
my father is a BJP voter while my mother is a dynasty fan. Both of them go at the same time to vote in every election, but everytime, my father's is already voted while my mother's is not cast. Just a coincident?!!!

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 25 Apr 2014 17:49

johneeG wrote:Saars,
my father is a BJP voter while my mother is a dynasty fan. Both of them go at the same time to vote in every election, but everytime, my father's is already voted while my mother's is not cast. Just a coincident?!!!

Out of curiosity, what makes your mother a dynasty fan? Is it their secular ideology or out of sheer loyalty or force of habit?

bhargava · Post by **bhargava** » 25 Apr 2014 17:51

Nice 40 cr contract if we take 13 lakh names in Maharashtra alone

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Apr 2014 17:59

bhargava wrote:

Nice 40 cr contract if we take 13 lakh names in Maharashtra alone

Abhi investigate karke kya fayda. Kirit Somaiya has been yelling about this from 2012 and you guys were sleeping. BJP will never learn. I would not be surprised if this scam has happened in every congress ruled state. So MH, KA, HP, UTT are all gone for BJP.

Now i am pretty confident that cong will cross 130 and BJP wont cross 180.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Apr 2014 17:59

Sanku wrote:
chaanakya wrote: Only morons don't get to caste their votes..
Chaanakya ji -- dont be so harsh. I do know people who had tried really hard but could not get their names in the list. I know people who had been voting for 25+ years from a certain location and had their names magically removed when they were least expecting it.

Voting should not be a cross country steeple chase, with only the most dedicated person getting to the booth, it should be a easy, comfortable process where everyone who wants gets his name in the rolls in a simple non-intrusive way.

The voter rolls is a HUGE HUGE snafu.

Well , I think I did used harsh words. ECI spends lot of money on making people aware of voter list. Huge machinery is put in place and now there is continuous updation of electoral roll except for a brief period of elections when ERs are frozen, for obvious reasons. In case you might no know, these ERs are sent along with supplementary rolls of additions and then a Marked copy indicating Absentee, Shifted or Dead List ( ASD List) to all political parties, Polling stations and Booth level officers, as well as uploaded to various websites in searchable format. If one is keen on voting, they should approach online or by paper application for including their names. If there are abnormal deletions and additions , these are re-verified. Any bulk deletion or addition gets flagged by ECI.

Pune residents could have made complaints to ECI.

This time ECI has added about 10 crores new voters so to allege laxity on their part is little too much. Residents need to be alert for such things as there can not be any deletion without 7 days notice. if they find their names deleted they should all go and sit on dharna before Electoral Registration Officer prior to election. Anyway now that they have got their attention, they should get their names included for next election.

But on the other note, why was there such a pathetic turnout by Voters in Maharashtra? What happened to those who had their names on ER and did not votes? My harsh words apply to them as well.