Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 27 Apr 2014 17:42

^^ mujrai is a process where people who put money into the hundi (the "collection box" for the deity) at a govt temple is taken to the govt and distributed with upto 90% given to "secular" faiths.. while the remaining 10% is given back to the temple in the form of salary.. whatever little remains that is, afterall, even the govt babus need their share.

I advise everyone to put money into the aarti plate so that the pujari himself gets it rather than some govt babu and the secular kind

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 17:48

apparently in KA, there is a KA endowment board which runs the financial affairs of temples. how much of the hundi is siphoned off at the back or whether there is a official formula for handing over these loot as jaziya to mainority orgs is left unknown.

obviously it needs to be terminated and the affairs of the temples handed over to the patrons of the themselves. the govt should have no business running temples, mosques or churches.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 27 Apr 2014 18:00

Shonu wrote:^^ mujrai is a process where people who put money into the hundi (the "collection box" for the deity) at a govt temple is taken to the govt and distributed with upto 90% given to "secular" faiths.. while the remaining 10% is given back to the temple in the form of salary.. whatever little remains that is, afterall, even the govt babus need their share.

I advise everyone to put money into the aarti plate so that the pujari himself gets it rather than some govt babu and the secular kind

Exactly. My father in law, who otherwise is a very sensible man, does not agree when I pay the pujari of the temple money instead of putting into hundi. What can you say, when he wears skull cap as he is enamoured by Zoroastrianism. They don't get how bad it can get until the seculars start knocking on the door demanding jaziya.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 27 Apr 2014 18:02

Then how will govt show its sickular creed ? Hain ji..

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:09

Shonu wrote:^^ mujrai is a process where people who put money into the hundi (the "collection box" for the deity) at a govt temple is taken to the govt and distributed with upto 90% given to "secular" faiths.. while the remaining 10% is given back to the temple in the form of salary.. whatever little remains that is, afterall, even the govt babus need their share.

I advise everyone to put money into the aarti plate so that the pujari himself gets it rather than some govt babu and the secular kind

Our family and friends have been doing it for a while. If enough people are made aware we can dry down the money going to the locked hundi ultimately ending up in Vatican

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:11

Lucknow: Senior Congress leader ND Tiwari today expressed his backing for BJP President Rajnath Singh who is contesting from the Lucknow parliamentary seat in Uttar Pradesh. The support adds to the continuously changing political equations in favour of the BJP, right in the middle of the general election.

"Woh Raja hain (he is Raja)... he came today... samarthan toh hoga hi (he will have my support)," Mr Tiwari, 88, said after meeting Mr Singh at his residence in Lucknow. The senior Congress leader opted out of contesting the Lok Sabha polls after being denied a ticket from Nainital in Uttarakhand.

The BJP chief, who touched the Congressman's feet and sought his blessings, added, "When I made my first speech after being elected to the Vidhan Sabha in UP for the first time... he (Tiwari) came up to me and said 'you are the future of this state'."

The mutual admiration apart, the meeting between the two leaders, though, is being viewed more as a result of political necessity than anything else.

Mr Singh, 62, is reportedly facing a lukewarm response from the two-lakh-odd Brahmin community in Lucknow, critical to his win and part of the BJP's traditional upper-caste votebank. Matters have been compounded by the Congress and the Samajwadi Party which have fielded two strong Brahmin leaders - ex-state president Rita Bahuguna Joshi and ex-IIM faculty member Abhishek Mishra respectively - from the seat. (India Votes 2014: full coverage) In the scenario, the BJP would be hoping to benefit from Mr Tiwari, a prominent Brahmin leader and three-time UP chief minister, in wooing voters from the community.

While Mr Singh's rivals are hoping that the Brahmin-Dalit combination may help them get a large chunk of minority votes, the BJP chief's attempt would be to ensure a division of the same vote, in the event of the influential upper caste refusing to vote en bloc for him.

For Mr Tiwari, the association is an attempt at staying relevant, especially after being overlooked by his party for these elections. The veteran, who has accused the Congress of "neglecting" him after serving like a "loyal soldier for 60 years", had already showed his dissent earlier this week by backing former Uttarakhand chief minister Bhagat Singh Koshiyari, who is the BJP's candidate from Nainital

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:12

this Hundi thing is unknown to all but the select few. even I always thought it would go to run the temple and fund anything like schools or daily lunch which they take up.

some twitter or niticentral activity is needed to bring it into the limelight. the account of the Muzrai board in all states should be placed on table and
(1) what is the expense ratio of muzrai board
(2) how much goes into muzrai per state
(3) how much given back to temples
(4) where the rest of money goes

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Apr 2014 18:17

Shonu wrote:^^ mujrai is a process where people who put money into the hundi (the "collection box" for the deity) at a govt temple is taken to the govt and distributed with upto 90% given to "secular" faiths.. while the remaining 10% is given back to the temple in the form of salary.. whatever little remains that is, afterall, even the govt babus need their share.

I advise everyone to put money into the aarti plate so that the pujari himself gets it rather than some govt babu and the secular kind

Apart from temple Hundis, many temples of 10000s of acres (ex, Simhachala Narashima Swamy and TTD) of land and these lands were given to political traders who in turn given abysmal rentals (ranging from Rs 1 to few thousands), yet these political traders support Cong and others during elections with money and muscle.

Moro ever, I bet if temples starts collecting money for a specific purpose and they utilize it correctly, I bet they can attract 1000s crores each year. Ex. Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam collections money in the name of Annadanam, Gowdaanam, etc and they accumulated so much money on these trusts that just mere interest is enough to run successful Annadanam (daily for 30K+ people) and are taking care of 1000s of cows.

Even today too, many in cities like Bangalore, Chennai and donating prime properties to TTD, because they knew it can put to some good use. If we can reaffirm dharmics faith on temple management, I bet our temples can attract tons of money, land and human resources.

Imagine, a temple running trusts for a school or a hospital, then imagine every taluq in South India can run a big school/college and hospitals.
I bet we can run a gigantic education and health system that might dwarf any EJ institutions. Even many are willing to donate generously to run an orphanage or old age home, but many are backing off because they do not trust existing systems. For all these developmental (schools/colleges and hospitals) and social works, first we need a successful methodology or system, and what is better model than a Temple model.

As somebody pointed out, we can model these Temples based up Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee model. But to free up temples from govt/political traders we need a politician who has political will and power to bulldoze these. At present NaMo is the only leader that can do it.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 27 Apr 2014 18:18

In smaller temples located in residential complexes, we & others put the money in the Aarti plate only, for the Pujaris.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:23

some interesting data in a table here
http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/ ... misuse.php

over a period of 6 yrs, 391 crores were raised from temple but only 84 crore was given to temple expenses.

180 crore was given to madrasas and Haj and 44 crores to the Church.."Others" took 83 crore and expense ratio was 20 cr

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There are as many as 2,07,000 temples in Karnataka and the total income of these temples amounts to Rs 72 crore only a sum of Rs. 6 crores is being spent by the Government for their upkeep. On the other hand, the Government spent a phenomenal amount of Rs.50 crores for the madrasas and Rs.10 crores for the churches, and for the Hindu temples only a partly sum of Rs.6 crores is being spent". - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Art of Living Foundation) from Arsha Vidya Newsletter of Dec 2003).

Ref: http://www.esamskriti.com/

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 27 Apr 2014 18:27

Chandragupta wrote:In smaller temples located in residential complexes, we & others put the money in the Aarti plate only, for the Pujaris.

Usually the professions Pujaris or Purohits are hereditary. Their genes are capable or remembering whole Sanskrit books and as side profession many are well verse with astrology and other Indic subjects. But govt attitude (temple management) forcing many Brahmins to abandon their hereditary professional of paurohitya and are moving to money making fields like IT and others, if this trends continue, we dharmics will loose much, so usually I divide my offerings into 2 equal parts, one goes into Hundi (for temple development) and other into Aarti, so that Pujaris are well off economically.

Our ancestors were wise, they took care of both (Temples and Pujaris) equally. They donated lands and money to temples and Agaraharas to Brahmins. But Nehruvian sickularism has subdued Temples and slowly killing paurohitya.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Apr 2014 18:49

++. we need to learn from christian missionaries and roman setup

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 27 Apr 2014 18:50

Govt control of temples should go and replaced by mandatory audit . One of Modi's tasks should be to bring legislation in favor of it. Unless he becomes Vajpayee and sits on his behind on the issue.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Apr 2014 18:51

gov should only regulate...common laws for institutions. legal abstractions matters for relgious harmony. equality of rights is important for democracy to survive. this dynasty has to perish from the clutches of poor and illiterate.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 18:54

My guess is that there was some damage because of the Adani model charge. So you see both BJP and Adani himself get open and aggressive on the same day. This should have been dealt with much earlier. Why allow you opponent to control the narrative.

CNN-IBN News ‏@ibnlive 7h

No special favours from Modi, his government didn't flout rules: Adani http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-special-f ... 3-238.html … #Elections2014

New Delhi: With political parties using him as punching bag in the highly charged election campaign, Adani Group head Gautam Adani on Sunday said he got no special favours from Narendra Modi and his group has since 1993 acquired only barren waste land for infrastructure projects.

The USD 8.7 billion ports-to-energy Adani Group began acquiring land near the coastal town of Mundra in Gujarat way back in 1993 and only one-third of a total landbank of 15,946 acres was acquired when Modi was Chief Minister, he said. "Not a single acre has been taken from any farmer... We went to Kutch when no one looked there and acquired only barren and dessert-like land that was not suitable for agriculture," Adani told PTI in an interview here.

...
"When we began acquiring land at Mundra in 1993, (Chief Minister) Chimanbhai Patel charged us 10 paisa per square meter. (BJP government led by) Keshubhai Patel (in 1995) charged us Re 1 per sq mt and Shankersinh Vaghela (led Rashtriya Janata Party) in 1996-07, charged Rs 1.5 per sq mt. Under Mr Modi, we got some 5,000 acre of land at an average of Rs 15 per sq mt rate," he said.

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Adani, 51, said he does not want to get involved in the political slugfest but facts are different than what is being portrayed. "Modi became Chief Minister of Gujarat in 2001 and we got first land under him in 2006 to set up a special economic zone (SEZ) under UPA government's SEZ policy. We wanted 10,000 acres but got only 5,000 acres. Now people are comparing the price we paid 20 years back for barren, non-agriculture land with the market rate of a land that has been developed with all facilities like road and electricity," he said.

He said Modi, who is BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate, is helping industries through policy. "Modi government has not flouted any rule or regulation to help anyone. No special favours have been granted to Adani." Adani Group, he said, has worked with state governments in Rajasthan, Maharashtra, Chhattisgarh, Odisha and Haryana for acquiring land for projects.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Apr 2014 19:06

About temple fund loot and property loot, fact is Hindus can have, or are FREE to have, temples for each sect.

In India, Christianism or Islamism also have retained cast and can have caste based churches or masjid respectively( while blaming Hindus for caste ism!).

Point is why are temples looted and properties of temples and deities looted only to be distributed in parts to churches and masjid that would be caste based!? All this without anything dharmic done except to claim it is caste based only. A secular twist to practices specific to castes only.

In paki thread, it was pointed out how pakis and Bangladeshis open hotels in western countries and claim it is an Indian restaurant only. So that can occur anywhere in India too, while calling the practices as exquisite and as exhibits without considering underlying spiritual meaning at all.

How is this considered secular is but wordplay and excuses to undermine any objections.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 19:13

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Vadra land deals small change compared to Rs 5,000-cr National Herald building takeover by Rahul/Sonia. MSM silent

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Centre declines to divulge details of persons who have applied for posts of chairperson,members of anti-corruption body Lokpal

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Adding to the list of controversies is Salman Khurshid, who compares Modi's eyes to that of a demon's http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4453250.cms …

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Modi: PM said he can't see Modi-wave. PM ji could you see inflation,corruption? Everyone knows you can't see anything beyond mother-son duo

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Modi : Yesterday Rahul Baba said that in Guj there are 27000 crore job vacancies, but Guj's population is just 6 crores

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 Apr 2014 19:33

SanjayC wrote:
chaanakya wrote:i am more concerned at this EVM fraud system than these stupid tv guys. Well Saik. I did check similar instances when LED lights were glowing for wrong button. Votes don't get recorded for wrong button. It is circuit malfunction in may cases. But in all cases , EVMs are replaced with reserves available. However BEL and ECIL could have made system more robust, I think they are failing in their duty but on the other hand think of sheer number of EVMs moving from one place to another in tropical climate, hot, dusty and humid. Some systems are likely to malfunction. As for EVM manipulation by remote etc, they are sheer fantasy of some wisecracks.
Reminds me of an exchange between Russian and American space scientists.

American scientists explained to Russians a unique challenge they were grappling with. American astronauts were facing a problem in space: they had to write records and maintain logs, but the damn pens won't work as lack of gravity will play havoc with flow of ink. The American scientists were burning midnight oil to solve the problem and invent a pen that will work perfectly in space. "So how have you solved this problem"? they asked Russians. The Russians replied: "We use pencils."

EVMs are the zero-gravity pens of election commission while the whole world uses pencils (paper ballots). Paper ballots don't have LED lights that glow in the wrong place. They don't record wrong votes if you have stamped some other party. They don't have a circuit malfunction. They need not be made more robust with extra engineering. A sheer number of paper ballots can be easily moved from one place to another in tropical climate. But then, some people prefer pens in space.

Please also take a look at human-machine interface/connect security loop holes. It is okay to have pencil or pens or come with a pressurized canister system.

1. the current system does not allow us voting done in a day or two nation wide.
2. all connectivity points are security risks - ex: when you connect EVMs to get result, is a manipulation week point, on control unit to ballot unit connection, etc.
3. it is just a machine not a voting system - a: it can check duplicates, v&v voter identity or result etc.
4. tampering points are plenty, need to fix those week points.
5. a system of this precious nature needs to be least human controlled as possible with highest encryption standards even at the chip level.

/OT

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 19:37

Hypocrisy Defines the Nation's 'Intellectuals'

http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinion ... 190920.ece

During Emergency imposed by Indira Gandhi, the country witnessed strong polarisation among intellectuals. A minority opposed her while the majority supported her. K R Malkani, then editor of Organiser was arrested, but the Left camp was untouched. Then too, JP was dubbed ‘fascist’ and the fig-leaf of fascism was used to defame the mass movement. The 2014 elections is witnessing a replay. The majority of Left-Nehruvians is whipping UPA fear psychosis using the label of fascism against BJP and Modi. Interestingly, the concoction of an imaginary enemy in their analogy is eerily similar. Some 25 ‘intellectuals’ had their tirade published in the UK’s Guardian; another motley dozen met at the Press Club of India on April 7 to spew venom against RSS and Modi, including people like Anantamurthy.

Don’t the likes of Murthy see changes taking place through democracy, by organised political parties? Aren’t they intolerant of the democratic process and the wisdom of voters? These are the people who subscribe to semi-ideological fascism and, pampered by the state, are accustomed to dictate. Whenever any view contesting their idea emerges, their only response is a road show. Two recent instances stand out. After the Allahabad High court’s verdict on the Ramjanmbhoomi issue on September 30, 2010, after extensive hearings, 61 of them issued a statement on October 3 decrying the judgment as ‘legitimising violence’ and fascism. It stretches anyone’s credulity that these ‘intellectuals’ read thousands of pages of evidence in two days.

When the nation celebrated its nuclear tests (Pokharan-I and II) and shrugged off the onslaught by the US-led Western powers, the Left-Nehruvian cabal used media space, particularly Western, to condemn RSS-BJP for ‘jingoism’, which was music to their Pakistani and Chinese siblings. Western neo-liberals (pro-crony capitalists) see potential allies in Indian Left-socialist ‘intellectuals’. Both share many similarities. The West mollycoddles sub-nationalities in India; so does this Left-Nehruvian club. Both try to reinforce identity politics in India.

Aren’t the West and its Indian minions, who are so shrill about the emergence of fascism in India in the 2014 elections, aware that these elections are not the first and last, nor are the parties contesting it new to Indian voters? While the Congress is 129 years old, the BJP, whose lineage with RSS is undeniable, has a history of 89 years. It has been in the government at both Centre and states.

The resurgence of the BJP is also not unanticipated, since the decline of the Congress was all too obvious. The ‘intellectual’ crowd was expectant of a non-Congress government led by BJP but desired a weak regime manned by smaller parties of the Congress-socialist breed on the one hand and a PM of the Gowda-Gujral-Manmohan type. Unable to stomach their collapsing hegemony, they’re back to repeating the old abuse of ‘fascism’ against the RSS and Modi. People’s wisdom though always trumps the bookish dogmas of hypocrites.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 27 Apr 2014 19:41

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There were growing speculations over the way Vadra acquired his earnings, as he gained his billions literally overnight. In 2008, the small time exporter of artificial jewellery made a low key entry into the real estate industry in partnership with Indian's largest property firm, DLF Ltd. Vadra started spreading to other business ventures, by buying up land in Haryana and Rajasthan as well as owning 50 per cent share of a leading hotel company in Delhi. The New-Delhi entrepreneur is now attempting to break the chartering aircraft industry.

Since then, Vadra appeared to have his fingers in even more business pies. Vadra is also the sole owner of Sky Light Hospitality Pvt Ltd, having his mother Maureen as a partner. Furthermore he owns 20 per cent of Unitech, which was in the centre of the high profile 2G spectrum scam. As Robert was involved in the scam, there are concerns from the Indian citizens that the investigation will never come to a definite conclusion.

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pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 19:42

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Modi: SP and BSP survive on Congress oxygen and Congress on their's, their games are quite clear

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Pappu MT @DeshGujarat Kapil's show will end soon. This person's(Rahul's)speeches on TV r enuf 2 give relief from tiredness of elections:Modi

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 27 Apr 2014 19:43

Any ideas as to why the Modi team has decided to start directly attacking the First Family so sharply? I hope that it is not because of negative news coming from April 24th.

I don't see much electoral benefit from such attacks at this late point in the game, and only gives Bianca more reasons to cry on stage.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 27 Apr 2014 19:57

Shaktimaan wrote:Any ideas as to why the Modi team has decided to start directly attacking the First Family so sharply? I hope that it is not because of negative news coming from April 24th.

I don't see much electoral benefit from such attacks at this late point in the game, and only gives Bianca more reasons to cry on stage.

For that one should look at the coming Election schedule - which states go to polls!

April 30th
Gujarat
Telangana
Punjab
UP (Bundelkhand, Rae Bareli)

- In Telangana, one complaint of the people was SA "migrants" buying up land, etc. #DamaadGate may play there and hurt Congress.
- In Punjab, SAD+BJP is itself suffering under some anti-incumbency due to SAD corruption. #DamaadGate shows that Congress isn't different
- In Gujarat, BJP wants to maximize its seats, so putting Congress on the defensive helps
- In Rae Bareli, it may help the BJP Candidate. Besides in UP there are around 5 seats as I heard, where contest is between BJP & Congress

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 27 Apr 2014 20:11

Shaktimaan wrote:Any ideas as to why the Modi team has decided to start directly attacking the First Family so sharply? I hope that it is not because of negative news coming from April 24th.

I don't see much electoral benefit from such attacks at this late point in the game, and only gives Bianca more reasons to cry on stage.

Damaadgate maybe to preempt Bianca's entry into politics at this point. She looks pretty charged up.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 20:12

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#ImranMassod says is not #Congress' view & @shaziailmi says is not #AAP's view but what #BabaRamdev says is #BJP's view? Funny, no?

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Funny when someone says Muslims live in ghettos in Gujarat. Show me a place in India where they don't....Despite so many secular governments

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 27 Apr 2014 20:17

If India becomes communal, Kashmir not to remain with it: Farooq Abdullah

Srinagar: Union Minister and National Conference president Farooq Abdullah on Sunday said communalism is not acceptable to the people of Kashmir and they will not remain with India if the country becomes communal.

"Pray to God to save us from communal forces so that we can move forward. India cannot become communal. If it becomes communal, then Kashmir will not remain with India. Communalism is not acceptable to Kashmiris," Abdullah told a poll rally at Khanyar in old city here.

Hmmm didnt think that impending Modi government will cause such a upheaval in all the unsavory characters! cant wait till 16th!!

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 27 Apr 2014 20:23

Reg. Hundi,
As per one account, 60% of the collection through Hundi goes to Gov. and only 40% kept for that temple. In smaller temples, that means becoz of ratio skew, even to conduct festivals, they have to collect donation separately for that festival. Such is the state.
Gov taking over the temples are due to: mismanagement of accounts, usurping Hundi/donations, complain by people of impartial/preferential treatment. But cloaked in these reasons, atleast a few of such take-overs to my knowledge are motivated by local political entities or disgruntled parties either for greed of money, power, personal feud or something else.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 27 Apr 2014 20:24

^Actually he means Hinduism is not acceptable to Kashmiris (muslims). He is worried about resettling of Pandits and that will get rid of his vote bank slowly

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Apr 2014 20:34

#DamaadGate is bad nomenclature on part of BJP. Could have been son-in-law gate or something similar. Made a point but could have been better.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 20:37

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A magistrate in Delhi orders an investigation into the death of Sunanda Pushkar, the late wife of Indian minister Shashi Tharoor.

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Ashwini Upadhyaya a AAP founder says Yudhbir Singh IAS who gave clean chit to Vadra in Haryana land fraud is AAP Hissar LS candidate

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 27 Apr 2014 20:42

Singha wrote:this Hundi thing is unknown to all but the select few. even I always thought it would go to run the temple and fund anything like schools or daily lunch which they take up.

some twitter or niticentral activity is needed to bring it into the limelight. the account of the Muzrai board in all states should be placed on table and
(1) what is the expense ratio of muzrai board
(2) how much goes into muzrai per state
(3) how much given back to temples
(4) where the rest of money goes

OT/ Absolutely news to me. I assumed hundi money stayed local- to the temple and surrounding areas. The awareness should be publicized. And people can do what they want with the information. A public accounting is fair. Atleast the news comes out and all know of it instead of a select few who, I suspect, prefer to keep it under wraps. /end OT

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2014 20:45

Candidature of an assertive Hindu like Modi and associated discussion on secularism made clear of three things to many Indians.

- the true definition of secularism as anti-Hinduism appeasement of Abrahamic communities
- the real intentions of Abrahamic communities w.r.t their feelings/attitudes toward Hindus & Hinduism
- the Abrahamics masquerading as Hindus under Hindu names.

I hope forum elders recalibrate their secular moral compasses.

vineetmehta · Post by **vineetmehta** » 27 Apr 2014 20:46

Singha wrote:this Hundi thing is unknown to all but the select few. even I always thought it would go to run the temple and fund anything like schools or daily lunch which they take up.

some twitter or niticentral activity is needed to bring it into the limelight. the account of the Muzrai board in all states should be placed on table and
(1) what is the expense ratio of muzrai board
(2) how much goes into muzrai per state
(3) how much given back to temples
(4) where the rest of money goes

Sir, i think BR is best to placed to bring facts related to such activities to ordinary citizens. Would be great if awareness can be created. I tried posting it on my FB page and many of my friends were not appreciating the facts and took it as one off incidence.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2014 20:46

Anantha wrote:^Actually he means Hinduism is not acceptable to Kashmiris (muslims). He is worried about resettling of Pandits and that will get rid of his vote bank slowly

Hinduism was never acceptable to Muslims & Christians, otherwise they won't do what they do to begin with.

The real question should be to the secularists who tried to hide/protect/justify the Pakistaniyat of Abdullah-likes.

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 27 Apr 2014 20:52

IIRC, the temples are allowed to keep only 2% of the Hundi, rest goes to sickular govt. initiative like biriyani to Kashmiri terrorists and iftar parties on the banks of holy Ganges.

@vineetmehta: Only Hindi/Sikh/Jain/Buddh personal laws can be changed by legislative measure. No concurrence from aam junta needed. Christian and Muslim personal laws cannot be touched. Similarly, Hindu run educational institutions are subject govt. control but not minority institutions. The list is long.

Hindus don't even know that they are enduring modern day slavery.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 27 Apr 2014 21:15

I have no doubt that a "Nation First" modi sarkar will do much needed course correction for Mother India!! The mess that Nehru made of Kashmir will get cleared up by team of M/s Modi & Shah as a tribute to M/s Patel & Menon!!

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 27 Apr 2014 21:20

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Hyderabad: Fire at Andhra Pradesh Secretariat

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Fire in chamber 134 of #SupremeCourt pic.twitter.com/ktQa7MCuK1

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 21:21

the father-son duo is just another line of mansabdars and dewans ruling kashmir by the will of the Sultan.

and to think they were part of the ABV Govt!

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 27 Apr 2014 21:22

So what the frack will Omar Abdullah do if Namo wins?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 21:23

^ run to delhi, pay tribute, sue for peace and ask to be allowed to continue his mansabdari.

other fires could take place in various delhi offices...it is high summer, everything is dry, wires are old and loose and paper burns really well.