Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 28 Apr 2014 10:36

Shankas wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNtIwqN01bI

Doordarshan Interview

Watch from 31:30 - 32:15

Thanks for pointing that out. It looks like some higher up in DD in Delhi wanted to delay the interview, so that it won't reach the audience during prime time. But outrage on Twitter stopped that. There are lot of congi supporters in bureaucracy.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 28 Apr 2014 10:38

^^It will be difficult, but a start would be to REALLY fence the bangla border and give SEVERE penalties to all those officials and BSF personnel that make money off of illegal immigration.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Apr 2014 10:39

secondly aggressive efforts to indianize, culturally de-toxify has to be taken up to improve the state of their education, womens rights and birth rate to be moderated down to avg indic levels. those who do not accept it will likely filter back to BD on their own.
having another big contingent led by militant Maulvis is the last thing we need, but unfortunately Mamata in her bid to survive is courting exactly this lot.

BSF and local officials make money from smuggling of cows, motorbikes, food, medicines..all are more expensive legally there.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Apr 2014 10:48

^^ Forget BD< even in "secular" Ktaka, we have the spectacle where a anti-Naxal force team intercepts a truck during routine checking for Naxals and all the people in the truck start running helter skelter. ANF folks think they are maoists and fire on them killing one. Turns out that they were from a "certain community" and illegaly smuggling cattle which caused them to panic when stopped.

The matter rests there until "NGOs" start their usual tamasha raking up "minority rights violations" and now the poor constable( who won a gallantry medal last year) is arrested while there are reports that the ANF folks are really unhappy at this and might resosrt to some sort of strike.

Karnataka police register FIR, detain constable

Nearly five days after a 23-year-old youth was killed by the Anti-Naxal Force (ANF) after being suspected of being a Naxalite, Karnataka police have registered an FIR and detained the constable who fired the shots at Mohammed Kabeer in the pre-dawn hours of April 19 at the Thanikodu checkpost on the Sringeri-Karkala route.

ANF police constable Naveen G Naik, a recipient of the 2012 President’s Gallantry medal for anti-Naxal operations, has been detained at the Sringeri police station following a complaint by Umar Farooq, one of the three other persons who were in the pick-up truck along with Kabeer when it was stopped at the check post for inspection by a joint team of local police officials and the ANF personnel at 3:30 am on April 19.

The ANF has claimed that Kabeer was killed after he and his associates acted suspiciously and tried to flee the scene when confronted by the police team.

The ANF said its personnel suspected the men to be Naxals, leading constable Naik to open fire from his AK-47.

Police sources said Naik had been booked under Section 302 of the Indian Penal Code. He has been detached from the ANF operation and asked to report to the Sringeri police station, an official said.

The officials claimed that they wer awaiting orders from senior police officers to produce the constable in a jurisdictional court. Meanwhile, the ANF has reportedly put its force on alert following intelligence inputs that the sensitive episode might be used to orchestrate an attack on them by the Naxals.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 28 Apr 2014 10:55

Namo will lose onlee.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 28 Apr 2014 11:12

No question of an alternate PM candidate, we will cross 272 in the Lok Sabha: Amit Shah

How many seats would you predict for BJP?

My conservative assessment is that NDA will exceed 272 seats.

How many seats will you get from UP and Bihar?

There is a pro-BJP and pro-Modi wave in both states and double anti-incumbency. In UP, the mood is against the UPA government and SP regime. Because BSP supported UPA, the mood is also not in favour of BSP. In Bihar, there is a lot of anger towards Nitish Kumar for breaking the alliance ..

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 Apr 2014 11:42

vic wrote: An RSS person told me that apart from Sangh Parivaar Organisations, RSS members are running 200,000 independent NGOs which are UNCONNECTED and UNFUNDED by RSS on personal efforts and personal funds. RSS has never asked these organizations till date to help BJP as they are apolitical but imagine MODI EFFECT which has forced these bodies to pitch in.

Just to give a perspective of the strengths of these NGOs, some of them are just one man army (not to demean their effort, rather I personally find it outstanding).

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 11:49

some of them are like the Vivekananda Kendra Vidyalay, which run dozens of high quality schools in far flung corners of India.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 28 Apr 2014 12:15

^^^ Bangladeshis are being pushed into India by Bangla military and intelligence with a particular aim. The whole idea is that of Greater Bangladesh. They will never accept these people back as their entire strategy is to change the demography of areas surround Bangaldesh and send their surplus citizens to feed off India's resources. The cry of Jihad will be raised subsequently as well as the demand to merge Assam and West Bengal with Bangladesh.

Amitava · Post by **Amitava** » 28 Apr 2014 12:16

Bengal may surprise us.

Ebar chupchap fule chhap, kintu chhotor badole baro ful

(This time round too we will opt for the flower, but for the bigger one — i.e. Lotus)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 310233.cms

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 28 Apr 2014 12:28

Victor wrote:Packing off BDs is easier said than done and all of our options are terrible to non-existent. Congress/UPA made sure they become a permanent sore on India's @rse as one of their lasting gifts to the country. I truly appreciate Modi's assertions but the devil is in the details.

I believe Modi is not a man of empty words. He wouldn't be saying things if he cannot achieve his objectives at least to some extent.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 12:38

Victor, sure it's not easy but it's not impossible either. security agencies did have a pretty intricate plan to do it in NDA era before ABV developed cold feet. just FYI, it continues to happen but in a trickle.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 28 Apr 2014 13:06

Just like Christian conversion porblem , on BD issue, Modi can fall back on policies implemented earlier by Congress.
Accord signed between IN and BD states
- those who came here before 1967 will be allowed to become IN citizens
- Those who came between 1967 and 1971 allowed to stay but no voting rights
- Those who came after 1971 to be deported.

member_28468 · Post by **member_28468** » 28 Apr 2014 13:07

For Rahul mehta je question about 2011census may be it is other way around....

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/05dang.htm
[quote][A report by a Delhi-based voluntary organisation has accused the Gujarat government of collaborating with Sangh organisations in forcibly converting tribals to Hinduism in the Dang district of Gujarat.

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and its affiliated organisations like the Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad and the Hindu Jagran Manch have organised a Shabri Kumbh on February 11-13 in Dang district, which is one of the smallest and poorest districts in Gujarat with a population of 1,86,000.

The massive mobilisation of the tribal community in the district by an RSS-affiliated organisation has become controversial in view of the allegations regarding 'Hindukaran' (proselytisation) of the tribals.

In Dang, tribals comprise 92 per cent of the population while Christians are less than 5 per cent.

The Shabri Kumbh has become a sensitive issue because more than 5 lakh tribals are expected to participate in the festival.

A Delhi-based voluntary organisation had formed a citizen's inquiry committee comprising Digant Oza, social activist, Shabnam Hashmi of Act Now for Harmony and Democracy, Rohit Prajapati, human rights activist, Ram Puniyani, secretary of the All India Secular Forum, and others to inquire into the mass mobilisation of tribals and the intentions of its motivators.

According to their report, the Gujarat government is openly collaborating with Sangh organisations in 'forcible conversion' called ghar vapsi (return home). Under this, tribals are taken back into Hindu society.

According the report, the Gujarat government and Sangh activists are engaged in a systematic campaign to divide the Dang adivasis on religious lines. Sangh activists are doing this ostensibly to 'counter the proselytisation activities of the Christian missionaries' and saving the 'Hindu adivasis'.

"The Sangh Parivar is actively involved in the conversion of tribals to Hinduism. The systematic hate campaign against Christians has created fear. Christians are threatened and some of them have taken out their cross," Hashmi said.

According to the committee, the RSS is targeting not only tribals of Dang, but they are also spreading out to the forests of Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Bihar, Jharkhand, Rajasthan and Orissa.

"It's time to have a social audit of their activities," said Oza.

Instead of building roads and bridges, providing them drinking water, health and education, Sangh organisations are dividing tribals on religious lines, the report claims./quote]

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Apr 2014 13:15

hanumadu wrote:If Bangaladesh refuses to accept their illegal immigrants, Modi should put them in a refugee camp on the border in squalid conditions. Then there will be no need for BD to accept them. The illegals will find a way into BD themselves just as they found a way into India.

One can parachute them into BD territory. Of course one would have to be extra careful that parachutes work properly, especially in the case of hardline Bangladeshi Islamists in Indian territory.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Apr 2014 13:18

Neela wrote:Just like Christian conversion porblem , on BD issue, Modi can fall back on policies implemented earlier by Congress.
Accord signed between IN and BD states
- those who came here before 1967 will be allowed to become IN citizens
- Those who came between 1967 and 1971 allowed to stay but no voting rights
- Those who came after 1971 to be deported.

We should stick to End of 1947 being cutoff date. Partition of Bharat should have some meaning!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 28 Apr 2014 13:26

Sorry!! cant go back tto 1947 or 1971, there is price for voting INC, lets seal the border first. There's a PIL filed where a BSF Jawan shot BD returning with family for family occasions.

Simply sealing the border and asking making people not able to visit relatives will be major step, along stopping illegal cattle fencing.

INC, CPIM media nexus will strongly oppose this.

Once we have this place next steps can be thought off, look at Pakistan, or west Bank, how much Khujli proper fencing causes. USA actually was so critical of the fencing they released satellite images for public sympathy

SRoy · Post by **SRoy** » 28 Apr 2014 13:30

RajeshA,

You can't apply such rule retroactively.

At the time of partition there was no compulsion on anyone to move by 15th of August 1947.
For your kind of information, border were officially open for migrations till 1965.
1971, was again taken as a cut-off date to account for those who had to flee mass killings in East Pakistan.

I know people in our ancestral village who had migrated as late as 1955, have done full 35 years of military service and served in 2 wars. Question of "allowing" or "not allowing" does not arise for these people. Their citizenship rights are as good as ours.

Infiltration rollback exercise is setup for failure already with these types of ivory tower proposals.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Apr 2014 14:22

Modi's brilliant reply to Abdullahs nonsense. A reply that need be preserved for posterity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEV5KTVh ... e=youtu.be

[youtube]jEV5KTVhBMI&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 28 Apr 2014 14:23

Narendra Modi shows 'mirror' to Farooq Abdullah on secularism

New Delhi: Reacting strongly to Farooq Abdullah's remark that “those who vote for Modi should drown in the sea”, Narendra Modi tore into the National Conference chief and asked him to look into the mirror before commenting on the secular culture of the country.

“India's secularism is not because that word has been added in the Constitution. For thousands of years, India has believed in the philosophy of Sarva Path Sambhav [all Dharmas (truths) are equal to or harmonious with each other]. India is the only country which says there is only one truth, seekers express it in different ways,” Modi said in a video released by his office on Monday.

“India is the only country which says Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah, Sarve Santu Nir-Aamayaah, Sarve Bhadraanni Pashyantu, Maa Kashcid-Duhkha-Bhaag-Bhavet (May all become happy, may all be free from illness. May all see what is auspicious, may no one suffer). India never says Hindus be happy, India thinks about everybody,” he added.

“India has never attacked any thought, any society in the world, with a sword. Expansionism is not in the blood of India. Neither us nor anybody should teach such a country about secularism. Those people who talked about secularism...I want to ask Farooq sahab...the power of India's secularism is so strong and it is in our veins. It is not in the Constitution, it is in our views. It is a country which prays to the nature, to water, the society lives with the ideal of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam (The world is my family).”

“And in such society such language is used. Even if a statement comes from someone (apparently referring to Giriraj Singh), is India's secularism so useless that it will get split by one statement? I want to say to Farooq Abdullah...the biggest injury to the thousands of years of secularism in India has been done in Kashmir and that too because of the politics of your father, because of your politics and because of your son's politics. In this country, it is only in Kashmir from where Pandits have been thrown out on the basis of religion. The Sufi tradition of Kashmir has been turned into communal for personal political gains by you, your son.”

“And you talk about drowning people who vote for Modi in the sea? Your father, you, your son have done the sin of give communal colour to the politics of Kashmir in the eyes of the world. Kashmir was always all-inclusive society, you tainted that tradition. It doesn’t suit you that you give such statements and if anyone needs to get drowned then look at your face in the mirror; put your father's face in front of the mirror and then ask this question. With what face can the people who threw out Kashmiri Pandits give discourse on secularism to the country? It doesn’t suit them.”

“We are silent but that doesn’t mean that they can hurt the secular tradition of the country whenever they feel like. Even today, because of our culture, because of our blood and not because of politics, because of patriotism, we say that the path of Sarva Path Sambhav is ideal for India. Politics of development not politics of vote bank is ideal for India.”

“This is our commitment, Sabka Saath, Sabka Vikas. We will move forward with this mantra. People like Farooq Abdullah sahab cannot derail the vehicle,” Modi said.

“The country will never waver from its lofty ideals,” he added.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 28 Apr 2014 14:31

harbans wrote:Modi's brilliant reply to Abdullahs nonsense. A reply that need be preserved for posterity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEV5KTVh ... e=youtu.be

[youtube]jEV5KTVhBMI&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

I wonder if any of NM's Hindutva-credentials-critics on the forum can be more forceful. Just shows the NM of IT conclave answering Madhu Trehan is still alive and in good form. Who would have thunk, a PM candidate holding Sheikh Abdullah for bigoted policies. No wonder, Abdullahs have ground shaking under their feet looking at the prospects of NM coming to power.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Apr 2014 14:35

Not only has he spoken for the KP's quite openly but also pointed straight to the root cause of the KP's plight which no other politician has dared do.

I think this should put to rest all theories about his lack of commitment to issues that he chooses not to bring into open discourse during the course of normal campaigning. In the campaign he has made development and governance his main plank.

Not all issues need be discussed in open forum and issues not discussed are not necessarily forgotten. It also does not mean a lack of commitment.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Apr 2014 14:45

a lot of fake gods are being broken into pieces one by one ... like the clay idol of congi sickularism before which all must bow before given a seat at the table. lo and behold someone dared to stand up and say it is not the god we worship, it is Cthulhu who hides behind the clay mask.

and the people said aye aye and fell upon the beast with rocks and sticks and tore it into the ignoble dust from where it sprang.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Apr 2014 14:46

SwamyG wrote:So you think that he thinks, BJP has a larger vote share in the states - at least sufficient enough to threaten the ladies? The Bournvita guy has began calling Modi names.

Yes. People ignore you at 3-5% but not at 10-15%

If scum Sonia manages to topple Modi soon, jaya will align with Modi if BJP Has 10%

durvasa · Post by **durvasa** » 28 Apr 2014 14:47

prahaar wrote: I wonder if any of NM's Hindutva-credentials-critics on the forum can be more forceful.

But....But... Lookie! Namo is wearing white Lotus, no longer of bhagwa color! Even his jacket is white and there is a green plant behind him! He is sold out to MNCwalas and Petrodollarwalas! LOL

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Apr 2014 14:54

Ashoke Pandit ‏@ashokepandit 1h

Thank U @narendramodi for rightly blaming Farookh Abdullah for the genocide of Kashmiri Pandit's Nobody till date had the guts to say this.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Apr 2014 14:59

recently mehbooba mufti has also reappeared in public life.
another creature of the kashmiri IM "system"

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Apr 2014 15:05

And there is no escape from this secularitis even in Hindu rituals... ohh what NaMo would do.

Bilva Patra, Peepal leaves, Vat Vriksha, Banana Leaves,Tulashi Dal, Durva Grass, beatle leaves................ damn all are secular onlee.

Can't we pass some ordinance to reform this aspect as well???

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 28 Apr 2014 15:13

With India hating Italian and gutless MMS, no one articulated India's and Hindu history,magnanimity and corrupt Islamists,fanatics in Christian/Muslim have become authentic voice defining us.

We got in Modi a person who can answer these thugs brilliantly.

vic · Post by **vic** » 28 Apr 2014 15:22

It seems that tactical pact not to attack the Sonia family still holds even though Vadra is facing some flak. Look at the issues being ignored:-

1. National Herald group take over
2. Family in Agusta Westland scam
3. Role of PMO controlled by Gandhi family in Coal Scam
4. Role of PMO controlled by Gandhi family in 2G Scam
5. Tatra Scam
6. Adarsh Scam
7. Meat packaging companies Hawala Scam
8. Hasan Ali Hawala Scam
9. Vadara Scam with non DLF Companies
10. Radia Tapes
11. Refusal to investigate the Secret Accounts information given by European Nations
12. Allocation of Iron ore mines, limestone mines
13. Railway Gate Scam
14. Attempt to down play IPL scams
15. Maharashtra Irrigation Network Scams

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 Apr 2014 15:25

^^ NM is playing unpredictable...

Have no doubt that every but every major spook agency in the world out there is busily putting together a psych-profile of what ind of man n mettle NM is on the inside. How he's likely to respond to pressures of x, y z variety etc. The same that they'd do with a Putin or an Abe.

And a NM who seems all conciliatory one moment, seems all sold out to MNCwalas and petrodollahs one day and roars the forest down to its roots the next is a rather difficult one to psych profile, no?

Sala, packees were playing at being unhinged and mad under MAD and predictable irrational, well, saalon, tumra baap aigawa...

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Apr 2014 15:28

Narendra Modi ‏@narendramodi 2h

Due to communal politics of Abdullah family, Kashmiri Pandits were removed from their homes only due to their religion. Is this secularism?

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 28 Apr 2014 15:37

well, saalon, tumra baap aigawa...

Ab ayega mazaa...
yeh dhil mange more...
abki baar Modi sarkaar

Well, I said it sometime back that Abdullahs may have bitten off more than they can chew.

johneeG wrote:About the debate on 370:
I think NaMo said,"lets have a debate". It essentially means he already started the debate by putting down some of his points. If Abdullah(or anyone else) is interested in debate then they have to refute what NaMo said. So, the ball is still in Abdullah's court. Just saying,"I am ready for a debate" means nothing. Why not come up with your refutations of NaMo? Why not give list of why & how 370 is useful to Kashmiris(including the Hindhus) and Bhaarath?

Maybe NaMo will take up the challenge. He does not shy away from the challenge, so he may take it up. Abdullah may have bitten more than he can chew.

Posted: 06 Dec 2013 01:27 pm

If Abdullahs know whats good for them, then they should back off instead of trying to take on Modi. The more they provoke Modi, there are more chances that all the skeletons in the closet may tumble out. I think Modi was taking it easy because he was winning anyway but now these people(Biyanka...etc) challenge him, he is not going to let them go scot free. Here is a simple psych analysis of Modi for the benefit of See Eye A, "Don't challenge him. Let him be. If you challenge him, he'll become more adamant and aggressive. If you are conciliatory, then he will also be soft and gentle with you."

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Hari saar,
Modi is not playing irrational. His entire campaign has been very careful calibration of Hindhuthva and development. Whenever development quotient becomes more, he bring in Hindhuthva. Whenever Hindhuthva quotient becomes more, he stresses development. He is being wise by maintaining both flanks properly. And at the same time, he keeps the dynasty under attack by corruption. It is a very good and simple strategy with perfect execution.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Apr 2014 15:44

Me thinks Modi went after Abdulla more forcefully to shift the focus away from baba Ramdev vs everybody(parties, NGO's, media, EC) especially on the dalit question. It was also a good opportunity of playing the sickular card.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Apr 2014 15:48

modi truly believes in the chanakyan adage "fires and enemies should be put out completely". that much is evident from his record in gujarat.
if someone is intent of positioning himself or herself as an enemy of his, it's simply a bad move.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 28 Apr 2014 15:50

RM what is thr ground read in WB? Particularly the seats where BJP is percieved to be in Contest?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 28 Apr 2014 15:52

raga will repent that 27,000 crore vacant job statement for long time

Dubbing Rahul Gandhi as a "specimen", Narendra Modi on Monday lampooned the Congress Vice President for his "little knowledge" on Gujarat and the "falsehood" laid out in his speeches about vast job vacancies and the institution of the Lokayukta in the state.

Modi also alleged that the Congress has so far sent 100 emissaries to his home town of Vadnagar to find out if he ever used to sell tea or not.

Complete Coverage: Lok Sabha Election 2014

"If you want to relieve stress, listen to Rahul's speeches. As per his mathematics, there are 27,000 crore jobs lying vacant in Gujarat. How can this be possible when the total population of Gujarat is 6 crore? What kind of namuna (specimen) has the Congress brought," asked Modi during his rally in Kheralu town under Patan Lok Sabha constituency.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 140428.htm

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 28 Apr 2014 15:53

expect congi to file a complaint with EC

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 28 Apr 2014 15:54

johneeG wrote: Hari saar,
Modi is not playing irrational. His entire campaign has been very careful calibration of Hindhuthva and development. Whenever development quotient becomes more, he bring in Hindhuthva. Whenever Hindhuthva quotient becomes more, he stresses development. He is being wise by maintaining both flanks properly. And at the same time, he keeps the dynasty under attack by corruption. It is a very good and simple strategy with perfect execution.

Samething Hari saar said indeed. Not a giving handle to analyze or attack.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 28 Apr 2014 15:56

Rahul M wrote:modi truly believes in the chanakyan adage "fires and enemies should be put out completely". that much is evident from his record in gujarat.
if someone is intent of positioning himself or herself as an enemy of his, it's simply a bad move.

Hope it is true!