Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 14 May 2014 23:31

I think dilbu can rest now and join the mainstream politics!

Shaktimaan · Post by **Shaktimaan** » 14 May 2014 23:49

Lots of hilarious RG Disappearing Act jokes floating around social media. Collecting a few for jingoes' enjoyment.

1. Rahul Gandhi has taken an oath to not have dinner until Congress forms govt.

2. Statement from Rahul Gandhi explaining his absence at PM farewell dinner.
"I didn't go as dinner was not at a Dalit home" #RahulSkipsDinner

3. #RahulGandhi still campaining in amethi

4. Sonia worried adopted son kejri ke baad apna #RahulGandhi bhi bhagora nikla

5. Breaking News!! Rahul Gandhi spotted outsd Cambridge. Planing to cm bak only after completing his degree. Good News! We ain't seein him nymr

6. Modi goes to work and Rahul goes on holiday... thank god we made the right choice #Rahulskipsdinner

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 14 May 2014 23:51

Rahul in Spain on vacation surfing the Modi wave

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 May 2014 23:53

@Shaktimaan, another one.

Sonia ka bhagode lal, ek rahul ek kejriwal.

shravanp · Post by **shravanp** » 14 May 2014 23:54

Nice one

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 May 2014 23:59

vivek.rao wrote: PAPPU is no threat. He will parachute again into Delhi,MH election next and talks BS about Modi and goes away. modi will chew him and spit out.

Pappu is always a threat because there always exists some family sycophants who want to put him on throne.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 15 May 2014 01:30

chaanakya wrote:And Indian Express Talks of UPA-III jus as it talked about Army Coup last time.

Posting it here so that we don;t miss it on 16th.

Congress debating idea of ‘enlarged’ UPA-III to stop Modi

Then the enlarged UPA must include BJP to get a majority.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 15 May 2014 01:42

I am sure the enlarged UPA is enlarged with unreleased gas of people like Sanjay Jha with a silent t and Manish tiwari

Ab ki bar Namo sarkar

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 May 2014 01:47

Ab kiya...3 terms and then more BJP rule! No congress-left near centre ever again, hopefully.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 May 2014 02:04

should be enough to give nightmare to Rajdeep

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 15 May 2014 02:10

LOL

Imagine Shaghareeekha's face the abomination on Hajdeep's fake encounter ordered by Kali daadi and safed daadi

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 May 2014 02:13

RamaY wrote:Pappu is always a threat because there always exists some family sycophants who want to put him on throne.

pappu is asset who must be saved for longevity of BJP, we shd trend #pappuforcongress

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 May 2014 02:20

reg hostile ELM, cutting access and setting the tax investigators after them should be a good start. these should be done in a no nonsense style with less leeway for the ELM to go hysterical with dramabazi about press freedom.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 May 2014 02:36

Here is one thing that is really stop NaMo from catering to all the great ideas we have on BRF.

NDA has only 64 Rajya Sabha members but needs 126 to pass bills. And BJP is not going to get enough RS MPs for a long time to come!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 May 2014 02:41

Thats OK. They can pass those bills taht are useful to majority and build the base.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 May 2014 02:41

Karan M wrote:Ab kiya...3 terms and then more BJP rule! No congress-left near centre ever again, hopefully.

Only true if Modi expors his Gujarat Model to all BJP constituency that won a seat for him.

#pappuforcongress can backfire, if you don't handle the basics. I would focus on the manifestos.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 May 2014 02:46

Rajesh: Only Rahul needs Bills. For SOMe of those great ideas, Modi does not need Bills. Initially Congress will fight tooth and nail and try to discredit Modi. But once the people start seeing the benefits, the image of Modi will increase; and public pressure can be used to bring the RS MPs in line. Sabar karo ji.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 May 2014 02:50

RajeshA wrote:Here is one thing that is really stop NaMo from catering to all the great ideas we have on BRF.

NDA has only 64 Rajya Sabha members but needs 126 to pass bills. And BJP is not going to get enough RS MPs for a long time to come!

However if Rajya Sabha does not pass a non-financial bill, which the Lok Sabha has passed, then there is a joint-session of Parliament. So if NaMo has overwhelming majority in Lok Sabha plus the 64 in Rajya Sabha, then still bills can be passed.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 May 2014 03:00

@RajeshA @atri

A babu from North Block told me few days back that Sangh's clothing & appearance needs relook and needs to be made more acceptable for current gen , many padha likha elite uber youth want to join but are prevented by appearance

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 15 May 2014 03:06

RajeshA wrote:
However if Rajya Sabha does not pass a non-financial bill, which the Lok Sabha has passed, then there is a joint-session of Parliament. So if NaMo has overwhelming majority in Lok Sabha plus the 64 in Rajya Sabha, then still bills can be passed.

Can you give some numbers? Would this require 50% of joint session? Is that 50% of voting or 50% of total strength?

EDIT: found some info in wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_session#India

In India, if a bill has been rejected by any house of the parliament and more than six months have lapsed, the President may summon a joint session for passing the bill. The bill is passed by simple majority of a joint sitting. Since the lower house (Lok Sabha) has more than twice the members in upper house,[2][3] group commanding majority in lower house, the Government of India, can get such a bill passed evn if it was rejected by the upper house.

So far, only three bills (the Dowry Prohibition Act, 1961, the Banking Service Commission Repeal Bill, 1978 and the Prevention of Terrorism Act, 2002) have been passed at joint sessions. Though, the joint session have been called for four times, fourth time in 2008 for the Women Reservation bill, but it could not be passed.[1][4]

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 May 2014 03:18

As far as I'm aware, it is simple majority of those present and voting in the joint session, with the presiding person - Lok Sabha speaker - offering their vote as the tiebreaker if needed.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 15 May 2014 03:23

Official reference

http://rajyasabha.nic.in/rsnew/faq/freaq1.asp

Is any deadlock between the two Houses possible?

Ans: Yes. In the case of Bills, a disagreement between the two Houses may arise when a Bill passed by one House is rejected by the other House; or the Houses have finally disagreed as to the amendments to be made in the Bill; or more than six months lapse from the date of the reception of the Bill by the other House without the Bill being passed by it.

What is the mechanism for resolving the deadlock between the two Houses?

Ans: A joint sitting of the Houses is convened for this purpose. In the case of Money Bills, there is no question of a deadlock as the Rajya Sabha has a limited say in such matters. There is no provision for a joint sitting in case of a deadlock over a Constitution Amendment Bill.

How many joint sittings of the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha have been convened so far?

Ans: In the history of Parliament of India, there have been three occasions when both Houses of Parliament held a joint sitting to resolve deadlock on Bills between them, i.e.,

6 and 9 May 1961 on the Dowry Prohibition Bill, 1959;
17 May 1978 on the Banking Service Commission (Repeal) Bill, 1977; and
26 March 2002 on the Prevention of Terrorism Bill, 2002.

This is cool, if NDA manages 300+ as Amit Shah predicts, rest can be managed to get to ~334. There will be no one stopping Modi's plans.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 15 May 2014 03:25

Suraj wrote:As far as I'm aware, it is simple majority of those present and voting in the joint session, with the presiding person - Lok Sabha speaker - offering their vote as the tiebreaker if needed.

Thanks. This is better than US in some ways. Seems Constitutional Amendments can't be done this way.

I think most of the development/financing issues can be addressed through money bills and only LS matters for those.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 May 2014 03:35

filibustering is something we don't need advice about.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 May 2014 03:56

Constitutional amendments cannot be achieved through a joint sitting. Both houses need to separately pass it. Some amendments need a simple majority. Others need half of total seats plus 2/3rds of present and voting, for both houses. A final category also requires half of state legislatures to approve it, in addition to 2/3rds of both houses of central parliament.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 15 May 2014 03:59

IndraD wrote:@RajeshA @atri

A babu from North Block told me few days back that Sangh's clothing & appearance needs relook and needs to be made more acceptable for current gen , many padha likha elite uber youth want to join but are prevented by appearance

I have said the same thing to some BR members, who are also Sanghis, in person. A light blue full pant with blue T shirt might work wonders

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 15 May 2014 04:01

ooh that is good.. it can turn the whole kirrikatting crowd into war fronts.

James B · Post by **James B** » 15 May 2014 04:11

Rajya Sabha votes can be managed for important bills by throwing some crumbs at parties like SP, BSPTMC, DMK, ADMK, BJP etc in the form of sanction of some pet projects or some financial package. So nothing is impossible.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 15 May 2014 04:18

RS is for 6 years. so some states will come into play within couple of years? can't find the term schedule info on wiki.

plus there's admk 7, bjd 6 and independents 9 and nominees 9 (including sachin - the great congress campaigner in chief

)

OT - among the myriad election CTs, that was the most bizarre dhoti shiver CT of all.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 15 May 2014 04:26

Gus wrote:RS is for 6 years. so some states will come into play within couple of years? can't find the term schedule info on wiki.

This is the statewise list with the retirement dates. http://164.100.47.5/NewMembers/RetLMemState.aspx

I don't think anyone is retiring before 2016. If I remember my civics correctly one-third should retire then.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 15 May 2014 04:30

RamaY wrote:dinchika dinchika dinchaaa... dinchiki dinchiki dinchiki dinchaa...

Modi will lose onlee

Request for Mods: If Modi wins tomorrow, request you to increase number of warnings required to ban from 3 to 4.

P.S: We should have a referendum AAP style to select number of warnings to ban. Can I start a poll on that?

Please also send SMS to all mods after depositing Rs.10/- with your local talati for each SMS you send.

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 15 May 2014 04:42

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 15 May 2014 04:52

RajeshA wrote:Pappu would for a long time not be showing his face. I wonder if he would even come back for swearing in as MP!

Rahul G is like the Turkish sultans of yore. Most were mentally insane and confined to the luxuries of their palace and harems while the Valide sultan, the chief white enuch (Kapi agasi), and the caliph ran the show. Congress is something similar; ecosystem of sycophants who keep the Family facade alive so that they can run the show from behind. Nicely reported here:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-i ... 82659.html

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 15 May 2014 04:53

I maded 15 mirchi bajjis for tomorrow and SHQ ated 6 of them

and I couldn't stop munching 4 of them. Now I am left with only 5 bajjis for tomorrow

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 May 2014 04:57

Looks like LKA and SS dont want to work under Modi. So they want some other position. Only one is Speaker. Hence the rumors about competing for speaker.
Good chance that both wont be in Cabinet. They don't want to work for their 'junior'.

Most likely LKA will be speaker and upon Prnab Mukherjee retiring and good behavior by LKA in meantime and health he can be made President. SS can be made VP at same time.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 May 2014 04:59

MurthyB wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Pappu would for a long time not be showing his face. I wonder if he would even come back for swearing in as MP!
Rahul G is like the Turkish sultans of yore. Most were mentally insane and confined to the luxuries of their palace and harems while the Valide sultan, the chief white enuch (Kapi agasi), and the caliph ran the show. Congress is something similar; ecosystem of sycophants who keep the Family facade alive so that they can run the show from behind. Nicely reported here:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-i ... 82659.html

GD's story is accurate in his depiction of the Prince!!!!

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 15 May 2014 05:09

Ache din aane waale hain
Modi effect
Amul to set up 200 cr dairy plant in Varanasi

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 15 May 2014 05:12

Ramana garu, you beat me to it! I was just about to comment that GD's story has readership in very high places

The prince is playing to the script.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 15 May 2014 05:20

ramana wrote:
MurthyB wrote:
Rahul G is like the Turkish sultans of yore. Most were mentally insane and confined to the luxuries of their palace and harems while the Valide sultan, the chief white enuch (Kapi agasi), and the caliph ran the show. Congress is something similar; ecosystem of sycophants who keep the Family facade alive so that they can run the show from behind. Nicely reported here:

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-i ... 82659.html

GD's story is accurate in his depiction of the Prince!!!!

That is an understatement. His description of Shehzada is pixel perfect, nothing less.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 15 May 2014 05:33

ramana wrote:Looks like LKA and SS dont want to work under Modi. So they want some other position. Only one is Speaker. Hence the rumors about competing for speaker.
Good chance that both wont be in Cabinet. They don't want to work for their 'junior'.

Most likely LKA will be speaker and upon Prnab Mukherjee retiring and good behavior by LKA in meantime and health he can be made President. SS can be made VP at same time.

Can't we send her out country as Ambassador?