Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

member_27987 · Post by **member_27987** » 27 May 2014 21:22

I honestly don't believe there is a need for this much of baying for Modi government's blood just because he invited a bunch of countries to talk to him on things that are in INDIA's interests. What exactly did NaMo do that makes people react as if "India has fallen into a trap" or "India is screwed" so much? According to many on this forum:

1) He shouldn't talk to Pakistan about terrorism
2) He shouldn't talk about article 370
3) He shouldn't have his choice of ministers as he sees fit

Honestly, it is become more and more irritating and really hard to discern real facts from rhona-dhona!

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 27 May 2014 21:23

The paki ex diplomat Maleeha Lodhi mentioned on HT today that they will be watching what Modi does than what he has talked before. The same thing would apply here as well. All it matters is what he does on the ground despite the chai biscuit, media circus.
Modi's message would have been to GHQ pindi through Sharif and they would have got the message loud and clear. For people in the know, Badmaash claiming this and that means nothing. G Parthasarathy said on the HT discussion that he is a realist i.e. hope for the best and prepare for the worst. As long as Modi does that we should be fine. We in BRF seem to be completely fickle minded.

As he did during the elections, Modi is setting the agenda for the media for the day.
The media has got into an tail spin on Pak completing ignoring key developments like

a) Tibetan prime minister in exile being invited - which the tallel than mountain fliend would have taken notice.

b) What was discussed with Karzai, Rajapakse and other Saarc members

c) Key discussion on cabinet formation - only token discussions on.

On the cabinet formation side, miss Suresh Prabhu and BC Khanduri (perhaps for Uk elections?) but the question is on how did he operate in Gujarat? Is his cabinet only a political token position (where people go out, cut ribbons, do photo ops) with the actual work done by an empowered specialist team under Modi's control or there many competent people in his cabinet to whom Modi delegates to?

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 27 May 2014 21:25

Can NS go back to Pakistan & say "Modi ass raped me and I have nothing to say"? Ofcourse, he will say Kashmir was discussed, things are positive blah blah. But what matters is what Modi told NS behind closed doors. I'm sure there were no threats made by Modi, which would be disappointing for BRFites. He was probably very courteous and told NS what needs to be done from their side if things have to move forward. All that the Indian Foreign Office has said is that the Foreign Secretaries will remain 'in-touch', either by meeting or through their offices. What does that mean?

Modi has clearly not given an inch. It seems the only thing that would have made BRFites happy was to see Modi slapping & punching NS in full view of the media & public. Lol.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 27 May 2014 21:29

On BRF, some members were hoping NM would nook the Sh1t out of pakis the minute he took oath as a PM.

It didnt happen so modi is a sellout & loss of credibility to NM govt....

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 27 May 2014 21:32

AnantS wrote:I was watching a movie/ documentary about Chinese martial art way of greetings, one does bend towards the opponent to show humility, but keeps the eye contact always with opponent, signalling he is also ready for any mischief.

As aptly demonstrated by Shri Bruce Lee to some student in the classic "Enter the Dragon"

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 21:37

Narayana Rao wrote:
Sanku wrote:^^

Yes, no one knows anything about it other than this small set on BRF.
I am sure there are more great people outside of BRF. But when our leaders speak of Biryani during elections and in the second day of power feed the same leader of killers and entertain him in front of whole world, we have a right to feel very very very bad.

Rao garu. I request you to watch Times Now debate. Sheshadri Chari, MJ Akbar etc are tearing Paki's a new one.

They say K was not discussed and Nawaj was told about terror and he promised to act. And I am putting it mildly.

Please do take a moment to watch. I will try and post links when they become available.

What NaMo did was a master stroke. He forced Nawaz to come by posing the invite as multilateral forum, Nawaz could not back out and leave Karazi to have an open field with NaMo. Once here, NaMo gave him the works.

The game is afoot. Please be patient. This is day 1 for gods sake.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 May 2014 21:40

If we are going to test designs ab ki baar, validate and all that etc, why not also test Raja and Maharaja designs too alongside. Russians have tsar bomba tested for decades now validated, not used or anything to speak of.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 21:40

Chandragupta wrote: Ofcourse, he will say Kashmir was discussed, things are positive blah blah. .

Seshardi Chari and MJ Akbar confirmed on TV that Nawaj did not bring up Kashmir. Kashmir is not a issue he said

, followed by was not a issue today.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 21:43

Sridhar K wrote: many competent people in his cabinet to whom Modi delegates to?

Excellent post. On the specific above Modi believes in setting up and delegating.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 May 2014 21:50

EswarPrakash wrote:I honestly don't believe there is a need for this much of baying for Modi government's blood just because he invited a bunch of countries to talk to him on things that are in INDIA's interests. What exactly did NaMo do that makes people react as if "India has fallen into a trap" or "India is screwed" so much? According to many on this forum:

1) He shouldn't talk to Pakistan about terrorism
2) He shouldn't talk about article 370
3) He shouldn't have his choice of ministers as he sees fit

Honestly, it is become more and more irritating and really hard to discern real facts from rhona-dhona!

This kind of hyperventilating and

ing is more irritating and annoying than someone who is intensely hormonal.

Modi Govt is just 1 day old and he has already sold off the country to Pakis, Cheenis and Amreekis. WTF.
Folks need to wear their big boy chuddis and trust Modi. He has a track record of success and ch00tiyas like Badmash cannot pull fast ones on him. Merely meeting Badmash and doing some chai biskoot does not warrant jumping off the ledge.

I am very disappointed at the immaturity displayed by some members.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 May 2014 21:56

Narayana Rao wrote:
Sanku wrote:^^

Yes, no one knows anything about it other than this small set on BRF.
I am sure there are more great people outside of BRF. But when our leaders speak of Biryani during elections and in the second day of power feed the same leader of killers and entertain him in front of whole world, we have a right to feel very very very bad.

Seriously what do you want Modi to do? Start fighting Pakistan the first day, the 5th day, 10th day, 50th day....? The best fighter is one who avoids the fight and fights only when necessary.

Just because MMS failed does not mean Modi will fail too. Has he given away Kashmir. No? Did he say he is going to give it away? No. Has Sharif fooled Modi 2-3 times? No.

Picklu · Post by **Picklu** » 27 May 2014 21:58

^^ Rest easy, biriyani diplomacy hasn't been replaced by Kabab diplomacy. Only the sheek has been used at porki nether region.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 May 2014 22:10

Well Modi could do as good as PVNR did, that could be a very good beginning. He has mandate and our strategic goals must be followed up. No point in playing pass the pillow if next Con govt(if there will anytime in future) will bet off strategic goals for anything. On the other hand, pakis have used such ideas of talks/diplomacy/backchannel/hotline to not only pretend to be civilized(with free claps from fourfathers) but at times equal==equal and worse look better even (dragging their Kashmir itch to make others look diseased).

We need paradigm shift. Such as questioning aid to pakis from IMF after attack on Indian ambassy in Herat.

vic · Post by **vic** » 27 May 2014 22:14

If we can give Italian waitress 120 months, let's give NAMO 120 weeks at least.

member_27987 · Post by **member_27987** » 27 May 2014 22:21

Sanku wrote:
Rao garu. I request you to watch Times Now debate. Sheshadri Chari, MJ Akbar etc are tearing Paki's a new one.

They say K was not discussed and Nawaj was told about terror and he promised to act. And I am putting it mildly.

Please do take a moment to watch. I will try and post links when they become available.

What NaMo did was a master stroke. He forced Nawaz to come by posing the invite as multilateral forum, Nawaz could not back out and leave Karazi to have an open field with NaMo. Once here, NaMo gave him the works.

The game is afoot. Please be patient. This is day 1 for gods sake.

Just checked u-toobe for it, but can't find it. Any chance you can post a link to it please?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 May 2014 22:25

one terror attack on the indian soil, the diplomacy ceases!

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 27 May 2014 22:32

SaiK wrote:one terror attack on the indian soil, the diplomacy ceases!

Exactly. The proof is in the pudding. What does NM do when the inevitable terror event happens. Will it be more of Chai Biskoot & Dossier exchange sessions or quid pro quo time. I think it will be the latter. Also, I think it would not be too far fetched to say that Pukes will be trying to test NM before Diwali in a big way. Perhaps around independence day..

-M

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 May 2014 22:36

EswarPrakash wrote: Just checked u-toobe for it, but can't find it. Any chance you can post a link to it please?

The links should be available tomorrow on TimesNow.tv site itself, I will share when they are available. Meanwhile this is their report outlining the same thing (however this is from their reporters)

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4455767.cms

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 27 May 2014 22:40

SwamyG wrote: Seriously what do you want Modi to do? Start fighting Pakistan the first day, the 5th day, 10th day, 50th day....? The best fighter is one who avoids the fight and fights only when necessary.

Just because MMS failed does not mean Modi will fail too. Has he given away Kashmir. No? Did he say he is going to give it away? No. Has Sharif fooled Modi 2-3 times? No.

Look what 10 years of UPA has done to us. Our benchmark is so low that we are happy if Kashmir is not given away. By that measure, neither did Maun Vrath Singh.

-M

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 27 May 2014 22:41

Badmash did not even take questions at the press meet. It was a new style gubo session for him. See the damn thing and he even did not utter Cashemere and meanwhile a minister is all over the news with repeal of 370 even before badmash flew back.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 May 2014 22:51

Modi is going to have to bring the entire country on board before we repeal 370. I think discussions on the topic is a very good way to start. We are going to have to neutralize a lot of the terror cells and the current leadership in the valley if we want it to happen. When the roti is too hot we should nibble around the edges. I would first begin by slowly integrating Ladakh and Jammu into the India and then slowly make your way inwards. We can give the people of the valley a choice.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 May 2014 23:20

let me put this on record. call me out on this later if you want.

unless extremely exceptional situations like 26/11 arise (and simple probability says they wont) India will not go to war with pak, small attacks would be ignored. anyone hoping for all out war is going to be disappointed.

what will happen is a frantic covert campaign against pak but also spread out to our neighbourhood, sometimes with their cooperation but many times without. as outsiders the only indications we will get is more

from pak and attacks from western media.

only the tip of the iceberg will be visible to people like us. but then, console yourself with the fact that much of the iceberg would remain hidden, perhaps for all time to come.

the end result would be an even more discredited and weakened pakistan (hopefully broken up as well) and a resurgent India.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 27 May 2014 23:29

Supratik wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote: We seriously hope end up being wrong.

Timesnow reporting that Modi talked to NS about 26/11, terror, security, etc. If he doesn't and gives a jhappad everyone from State Dept to MSM will call him a war-mongering jingo.

TimesNow seems to be anti-Pak or anti-talk (probably balancing the TOIlet paper), however NDTV senior anchors seems to be neutral or pro-talk. These two are going to create problems for Modi.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 May 2014 23:32

Eventually, we are going to have to take control of the media from the sec-left. If India wants to put out a good image of itself, educate its citizenry, and spread its values we have to trash this current setup and have a really professionally run and independent media in which the owners reside in the country and are subject to the law of the land. We are also going to have to take control of the radio.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 27 May 2014 23:59

I think we need massan style policy based voting! especially national important policies like A370, Identity System - Voting rights (IDs), Equality of importance on social structure - caste to religions, common civil. etc.

Let us get into voting mood soon! engage policy based voting! tweet it to modi saab!

Heck for God's own sake, get out of the EVMs and its magic power!

warp ?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 28 May 2014 00:06

^^Golden words RoyG ji ! This should be the prime work of current govt. that instead of finding short term quick easy use of criminals like turdeep, burka, karan thapar, vinod mehta, prabhu chawla (rumours about his dlf connections), shekhar gupta all there scandals have to be exposed whether karan thapar's ISI proofs which IB has or shekhar gupta's commonwealth games loot. This way we will have a clean ground where honest and nationalist journalists can start doing their bit in nation-building.

We have see vinod mehta going to Arun Jaitley on behalf of crying burka dutt to not raise her radia connection in Rajya Sabha.

While she pays back by sitting in Amritsar and try to rake up muck against his personal opponent amrindar by raising '84 issue.

What is missed is that this so called chanakian use is not needed anymore. The nation has crossed a mental block in '14 election. The mental block was that no party other than congress can cross 200 loksabha seats mark, leave alone 272.

The BJP won't get this chance ever again to clean up the congi-bhakts in media-ngo-various worker unions and sports bodies.

Once 52crorebunglowDesai is punished then it'll be a deterrent for future turdpals and turdesais.

I think pranav roy and chidambaram's 5000 crore scandal is ripe for exposure, no need to use pranav roy for helping BJP in mahrashtra elections. Just crush these parasites with hammer and do it fast:
http://mumbaiwalla.com/prannoy-sponsor- ... tv-anchor/

Why did Prannoy sponsor Rs 1 crore holiday for small-time NDTV anchor?

MUMBAI: The investigations into accounted funds of NDTV running into Rs 5000 crore is pointing to a massive collusion between the directors of the reputed media company and senior I-T officials, allegedly with the blessings of Union Finance Minister P Chidambaram.

The involvement of Sumana Sen, an IRS officer of the 1999 batch, is now under scrutiny after it emerged that her husband Abhisar Sharma was an employee of NDTV when she was appointed the Assessing Officer of NDTV Ltd, its group companies and all directors, including Prannoy Roy himself. It emerges that Sen and her husband enjoyed an all-expenses paid pleasure trip to Europe sponsored by Prannoy’s company.

S Gurumurthy, who was the convenor of the task force conceived by the BJP to assess black money illegally deposited by Indian politicians and businessmen in foreign banks, has now written to Roy to clarify why his company never bothered to inform the government or the Income Tax department that the wife of its employee had been appointed to assess it under all Direct Tax Acts.

“More importantly, Sumana Sen, when she became the Assessing Officer of NDTV in August 2004, never informed the government about the fact that her spouse Abhisar Sharma was employed with NDTV which was mandatory under rules…which entails imposition of major penalty including dismissal from the service,” Gurumurthy has noted.

In his defence, Prannoy Roy claimed that Sen was NDTV’s assessing officer only for a period of one year during which no substantive assessments of NDTV were made by her except one order under sec 143(1), and that all other assessments of that year were made by other I-T officers.

SPONSORED EUROPEAN HOLIDAY: PERK OR BRIBE?

It is relevant to note that at the point, NDTV had claimed a tax refund of Rs 1.47 crore, but a notice for scrutiny assessment u/s 143(2) was pending.

In March 2005, around five months after she had become the assessing officer for NDTV, she was offered through her husband Abhisar Sharma an “all expenses paid pleasure trip of Europe with her entire family” by the company. The total cost of the week long trip to the UK came to a whopping Rs 1 crore, which was entirely borne by NDTV. It was a luxury no other employee in Sharma’s grade had ever been offered. In fact, no other employee of NDTV had ever been given such a perquisite in its history.

Sequence of events:

March 21,2005: Sumana Sen writes to the government seeking permission for availing the offer with her husband.

March 28, 2005: Sen illegally passes an assessment order u/s 143 (1) of the Income Tax Act accepting the return of NDTV and granting a refund of Rs 1.47 crore.

April 8, 2005: The government grants her permission to avail the holiday in Europe on the condition that she should not have at any point in time had any official dealings with NDTV.

April 10, 2005: Sen furnishes fraudulent undertaking claiming that she was “not the Assessing Officer of NDTV Ltd, has never dealt with the case of NDTV and has never had any official dealings with it”.

April 12, 2005: Sumana Sen and her husband Abhisar Sharma take a British Airways flight to London to begin a week long holiday in Europe, which cost about Rs 1,00,00,000 to NDTV Ltd.

Abhisar Sharma
Abhisar Sharma

Was husband’s job at NDTV ‘arranged’ by Sumana?

While Sumana Sen was brazen enough to lie about her relationship with NDTV despite just 13 days earlier having allowed an illegal refund as its assessing officer, Abhisar Sharma was hardly a passive bystander in all this. According to Gurumurthy, he had in fact “aided and abetted in all illegalities committed by Sumana Sen.”

According to documents and correspondence available with Mumbaiwalla, Sen’s husband was a “small time stringer” in BBC before he landed a job in NDTV as an anchor in October 2003. The big question now is whether it was merely a coincidence that just a few months later, the I-T department appointed his wife to assess the books of NDTV.

Preliminary verification of facts point to a well planned strategy by the husband wife duo. Sen was apparently “aided and abetted” by her superior (Prakash Chandra CIT, Delhi V) in getting her husband employed by NDTV.

With the tickets for the trip amounting to a couple of lakhs at most, it is unclear how the couple actually managed to spend Rs 1 crore in the short period between April 12 and April 20, 2005. Even after completing her luxury holiday, Sen failed to submit accounts of her expenses abroad, though it was mandatory under the rules.

It begs attention why NDTV would agree to pay Rs 1 crore for a holiday to Sen in exchange for a refund that amounted to Rs1.47 crore

In hindsight, the ‘Inspection Note’ filed by I-T Commissioner SK Srivastava in March 2007 over tax-evasion of about Rs 200 crore by NDTV and payment of bribe and illegal gratification to Sumana Sen was merely the tip of the iceberg.

Surprisingly, the observations on fraudulent assessments made on NDTV Ltd by Sen were not only set aside on March 29, 2007, the very next day Chidambaram – acting on the proposals of PK Mishra, DGIT (Vig) & CVO, CBDT – suspended Srivastava on allegations of sexual harassment, sexual assault, molestation and rape filed by two female I-T officers.

The officers in question were Sumana Sen and her batchmate, Ashima Neb.

Hardly 30 hours have passed and already channels have started to criticize NaMo govt. over various issues. First thing is to go after these corrupt ********, don't worry about their crying in public these turds operate on "public has short memory..." by the end of 5 years these parasites will be on the way to jail. Otherwise they'll continue with their stings-nastiness-mischief. Let them wrestle with their own court cases their own bhambadbhoosis.

Otherwise many young journlists today, right now might be sitting over beer and doing gup-shup about how rajdeep-pranav-shekhargupta have made so much money. Let them see these kind of criminals in jails so hour honest journalists can start seeing Shri Goenka and Shri Shourie kind of people as ideals.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2014 00:11

OK this man has done all of this in the last 24 hours...including hold a full scale SAARC type meet!!

Anything else that you think YOU could have done better?

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 May 2014 00:12

No, lets whine and complain about how he is a sell out. :p

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 May 2014 00:17

RSS/BJP/public should start its own Channel! an advanced setup at that! get all info via that first! get other media go crazy!

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 28 May 2014 00:29

SaiK wrote:RSS/BJP/public should start its own Channel! an advanced setup at that! get all info via that first! get other media go crazy!

This is a great idea. If other parties can have theirs why not BJP?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 May 2014 01:02

but wtf is purchase from russia for afpak? let arjuns and insas land in!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 May 2014 01:18

Salman dares Owaisi lovers not to watch his film

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 May 2014 01:20

Modi in USA (1990)

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 28 May 2014 02:41

SaiK wrote:

but wtf is purchase from russia for afpak? let arjuns and insas land in!

No need for Mercedes where Lada would suffice.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 28 May 2014 02:57

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SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 28 May 2014 04:35

harbans wrote:Few people noticed that Mr Lobsang Sangay had been invited and attended Modi's swearing in ceremony! This is a very significant event and Tibetans round the world are extremely pleased. http://tibet.net/2014/05/27/sikyong-att ... ndra-modi/

Agreed. This is major. Modi is more than what one sees and reads about. Startling, at times. This invite is symbolic in more ways that one, and maybe more than symbolic. I can only imagine what NS would have felt when he saw him (or heard about it later).

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 May 2014 05:28

SFF is probably going to be reassigned to its original role and given proper training. Covert operations and guerrilla war in Tibet.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 28 May 2014 06:02

NDTV &
Chidambram's Money Laundering Scam of Rs. 5500 cr.

This video could have been much shorter had the interviewer/lawyer not kept butting in frequently disrupting the flow.

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 28 May 2014 07:15

RoyG wrote:SFF is probably going to be reassigned to its original role and given proper training. Covert operations and guerrilla war in Tibet.

SFF will probably remain under wraps and not be too visible. But maybe the ITBP should get a UN assignment to make their name more visible internationally. Their epaulettes should read "Indo Tibet" instead of ITBP.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 28 May 2014 07:57

This is too explosive to be posted here. So I will only put link to my fb status ---
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The posts has quote from Dr Mafatbhai Patel, husband of Shrimati Anandiben Patel . And it has political significance , not just mud slinging. https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 3222986922
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Too many issues --- Mauritius route, why TV-channel-owners want Smriti Irani to become Education Minister etc etc
https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 4235651922