Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 29 May 2014 08:24

johneeG wrote:If NaMo doesn't jail the dynasty, he will lose credibility just like Fordriwal lost credibility by not jailing Sheela. The lotus would never be able to make allegations against the kongis/dynasty if they are not jailed. If allegations are made then the kongis/dynasty will say,"if we are guilty, they why didn't you jail us?".
Fordriwal will say,"See, I told you that all these people are together in it and will help each other..."

If the amnesty has to be given, then it should be given publicly after the person has accepted his guilt publicly and promised not to repeat such a thing. For example, if Manly Singh has to be given amnesty, then first his guilt should be established, then he needs to publicly ask for forgiveness and only then the amnesty should be accorded by the Prez(or someone like that) based on exceptional situations. In normal circumstances, the law must take its course especially if those who are alleged to be guilty are rich and powerful.

Some choices can be gamed in order to bring most of the money back - as well as to do it while preserving or enhancing social capital. One of the several choices (for selected people) can be anonymity - but the sum of money repatriated can be made public. As long as that is done, and the repatriated money intelligently invested in the economy, I think the public will be satisfied. a few people who are unlikely to ad to the nation's social capital can be made examples of.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 May 2014 08:32

in terms of "solutions" for our crowded country with limited land , we have everything to learn from Cheen, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, Japan, Soko how to build a develop country ecosystem on top of crippling shortage of land and resources(Cheen does have plenty natural resources but 3/4 of the country is not arable).

we do not have anything to learn from Amrika/Aus/Canada who are at other end of scale. they can continue to be wasteful for a century more and nothing will happen to them.

some would claim we can learn from Europe and its well planned inner cities, but the "cleanup n gentrification" of europe happened on the back of colonial wealth and monopoly access to world resources which is not replicable now. they are running through that wealth while preserving pockets of excellence but overall trend in most parts that freeloaded on the back of eng/ger/italy/france is likely down. east asia's march had no such looted wealth luxury. they had to be agile and find openings here n there.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 May 2014 08:36

All that can be done is that avenues of corruption are closed. They will all get away. This is the nature of the game. Everyone has their hands in the cookie jar. The whole goal is to make them inert entities.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 May 2014 08:38

Singha wrote:in terms of "solutions" for our crowded country with limited land , we have everything to learn from Cheen, Taiwan, Singapore, HK, Japan, Soko how to build a develop country ecosystem on top of crippling shortage of land and resources(Cheen does have plenty natural resources but 3/4 of the country is not arable).

we do not have anything to learn from Amrika/Aus/Canada who are at other end of scale. they can continue to be wasteful for a century more and nothing will happen to them.

some would claim we can learn from Europe and its well planned inner cities, but the "cleanup n gentrification" of europe happened on the back of colonial wealth and monopoly access to world resources which is not replicable now. they are running through that wealth while preserving pockets of excellence but overall trend in most parts that freeloaded on the back of eng/ger/italy/france is likely down. east asia's march had no such looted wealth luxury. they had to be agile and find openings here n there.

I wonder if we can draw upon experiences from our ancient past. Is their a city planning style that is distinctly indian? Can we somehow incorporate indian architecture into modern building designs?

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 May 2014 08:57

we can also go underground, there is a lot of stability in temps about 20m's below surface. It is cool throughout the year. Imagine the savings in air conditioning and cooling bills and increase in productivity.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 May 2014 09:25

with a huge increase in sanitation problem and lighting bills. people need the sun. going underground has been done in canada at great cost. downtown toronto has a city of connecting walkways and malls below the skyscrapers. I hear in some colder canadian cities even most of colleges/univs are below ground.

traditional architectures around the world whether our thick clay/brick walls or the iranian windcatcher designs need good amt of space to work, space which is available in villages and small towns and everyone has a plotted house.

I am yet to see a low cost simple soln for the 30x40 plots and common walls thats common in urban india!

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 29 May 2014 09:51

darshhan wrote:

Smriti Irani deserves a chance. If she is unable to perform then yes, she should be shunted out.

This should hold true for everyone irrespective of their educational qualifications.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 29 May 2014 10:01

I used that feedback tool in PMO website and asked NaMo to include changing IRCTC website to something better as part of his items to be done in first 100 days. This is will surely be noticed by the whole country and will make lives a little better for millions of Indians. I got an automated acknowledgement. I hope NaMo gets to read the suggestion.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2014 10:07

Rahul Mehta I am going to give a warning gor trolling tomorrow.I dont have laptop now.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 29 May 2014 10:12

Ambar wrote:Madhu Kishwar now calls Smriti "nalayak". If there is a person who fits the description of "useful idiot" to a T, it has to be Madhu Kishwar.

Some people know how to dig their own graves.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 May 2014 10:19

This name "India" coined by some white guy should be used less and less. I don't think we should put "India" or "Indian" in front of any gov agency or scheme. I think Bharat should only be used now.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 May 2014 10:29

I am completely not in favor of Smriti Irani's appointment as HRD minister, however, I am more than willing to concede that this is PMs prerogative. So while I may express surprise/disappointment, I am also quite surprised as to why has Madhu Aunty gone on a veritable Jihad on the issue.

Sure it is difficult appointment, but name calling and making it such a huge issue. Yesterday Rajdeep had a well managed debate (wonder of wonders) and Madhu Aunty got herself hammered for her views by the Congress woman spokesperson as well. Which is quite an achievement.

On most debates, folks were hammering those who were Anti Smriti Irani on the basis of credentials or affidavit screw up (big deal) -- Arnab and others were hammering congress, and on Rajdeep's show everyone was hammering Madhu.

Wow.

It appears that most people who have met Smt Irani in person have a very high regard for her intelligence, and everyone feels that folks want HRD to focus on real things. Basic ones. Primary edu, skill development and the likes.

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 29 May 2014 10:45

HRD minister Smriti Irani responds to the huge row over the discrepancies in her affidavits. She says, "I have been judged by my organisation with regard to my capacity to deliver on assignments. Judge me be my work. Extraneous circumstances have been created to deviate my attention from the work I have been given."

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 May 2014 14:00

before we close this thread.. can someone analyze or bring out various factors about amit shaw campaign in UP? what were the significant style, actions, process, methods, etc he did, and what exactly influenced people?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2014 14:09

Modi using tunnel from 7RCR to Safdsarjung airport to avoid making congestion

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 29 May 2014 14:30

IndraD wrote:Modi using tunnel from 7RCR to Safdsarjung airport to avoid making congestion

Is there such tunnel?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 May 2014 14:39

Published in niticentral today http://www.niticentral.com/2014/05/29/m ... 28425.html
was constructed to evacuate PM in emergency

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 29 May 2014 15:03

prahaar wrote: This is a very easy fulltoss for the bjp govt hit the "liberal" gumbal for a six. Get the criminalisation removed and watch them flounder trying to explain it

Err. Why must RSS have an opinion on everything under the sun? Why can't they just keep quiet?

I'm particularly scared for them for this attitude. They must keep mum on just about everything since it's a BJP govt now. They should just focus on their own work quietly and avoid commenting on sensitive issues.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 May 2014 15:10

I'd consider it must be an exercise to move away from NFU to MAD! test the tunnel out!

member_23651 · Post by **member_23651** » 29 May 2014 15:10

MSM Rona Dhona Thread Locked, so posting here:

Harsh Mander crying:

Is rejection of UPA the rejection of secularism, welfarism?

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 29 May 2014 15:11

^^^ True that! And so should Baba Ramdev and others. Now that the BJP govt is formed, they should stay away from media. Come only you see the govt deviating from the agenda.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 May 2014 15:37

SaiK wrote:I'd consider it must be an exercise to move away from NFU to MAD! test the tunnel out!

whether first or second strike, nothing stops anyone from a first strike so such escape routes are needed with a couple of helicopters on 24x7 standby. POTUS has short circuited the issue by building a helipad on WH lawn itself. hope there are speedy electric rail inside to cover 1.5km inside of 3 minutes.
POTUS also has some deep bunker under his house and we should too.

its time to also build a couple of cheyenne mountain type NORAD dens.

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 May 2014 16:19

TSPA would be quite confused at the turn of events. Usually all they have to factor in (like that Fair video enlists) all the factors which would have been ticked by any new Indian administration and they they would get an invisible go-ahead from virginia. It's like new govt: check; aggressive posture: check; non-cooperation with US: check ... all conventional wisdom tells the pakis to go ahead and do an operation like 26/11, Kargil, 93 bomb blasts, mumbai train blasts, punjab insurgency, kashmir insurgency etc. But wht will be response .. they are not able to convincingly game this.

give peace a chance, destroy ...

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 29 May 2014 17:26

An interesting line floated at twitter after the recent election win and it keeps ringing back in my mind.
"In choosing Narendra Modi, India has reflected its need of a strong father."

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 29 May 2014 17:34

Agnimitra wrote:Some choices can be gamed in order to bring most of the money back - as well as to do it while preserving or enhancing social capital.

One of the several choices (for selected people) can be anonymity - but the sum of money repatriated can be made public.

As long as that is done, and the repatriated money intelligently invested in the economy, I think the public will be satisfied.

a few people who are unlikely to ad to the nation's social capital can be made examples of.

Sir,
Less than 15% black money will come back.

People need to be named and shamed.

If and ONLY if, all the known money returns, there will be a depreciation of the rupee. Not a good idea. better to hold it offshore and buy arms or buy assets overseas.

Every person holding black money should be made an example of. No other deterent will work.

member_28468 · Post by **member_28468** » 29 May 2014 17:58

NaMo-bhagats dont have option but to support SI or whoever. Because after all, they have perpetuated the myths of "NaMo == Kalki" , "NaMo kabhi wrong nahi hotaa". As such, all the stories of SI's 4 digit verbal IQ , presence of mind are nonsense. SI is just as good actor who does well in scripted\paid\fixed interviews. Pramod , the man who lives 7 star lifestyles, gave SI Chandani Chowk Loksabha ticket in may-2004 because BJP needed supported of Star network's TV channels. Anyway, education ministry since 2005 has been run wholly by foreigners. SI has to sign whatever WTO ask her to sign. The next big step is FDI in schools and colleges.

I thought Rahul je you seriously have indian interest(hindu) interest in your heart but not any more .As some one already posted you are only critical for bjp or modi or now Irani you dont do this for kongress.
You are like kongresse version of Subramanyam swami but with lot more conspiracy disappointing

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 29 May 2014 18:19

Sometimes the mask slips and you see the reality, the one at least I knew from the beginning...

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 May 2014 18:31

habal wrote:we can also go underground, there is a lot of stability in temps about 20m's below surface. It is cool throughout the year. Imagine the savings in air conditioning and cooling bills and increase in productivity.

and imagine growing trees and farming above ?

but take care! life exists because of the 5 basic elements, and let not the sixth one become a sith one!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2014 18:53

ramana wrote:Rahul Mehta I am going to give a warning gor trolling tomorrow.I dont have laptop now.

As promised warning delivered for trolling.

ramana

chaitanya · Post by **chaitanya** » 29 May 2014 18:53

SaiK wrote:
habal wrote:we can also go underground, there is a lot of stability in temps about 20m's below surface. It is cool throughout the year. Imagine the savings in air conditioning and cooling bills and increase in productivity.
and imagine growing trees and farming above ?

but take care! life exists because of the 5 basic elements, and let not the sixth one become a sith one!

I actually think it could be a great idea for cold storage facilities. Imagine a below-ground cold storage with a park or some other community space on top, you can save on space and energy.

member_28468 · Post by **member_28468** » 29 May 2014 18:59

^^i like this idea because living permanently underground is not a good idea as i saw in one documentary on discovery channel .there was a couple who lived in a old ussr bunker and used to have fights but when they have to made an outhouse on top of it. May be we need sun other than for vit. D

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 29 May 2014 19:05

Rahul Mehta wrote:My last post on Smriti Irani chapter. NaMo-bhagats dont have option but to support SI or whoever. As such, all the stories of SI's 4 digit verbal IQ , presence of mind are nonsense. SI is just as good actor who does well in scripted\paid\fixed interviews.

Rahul Mehta-ji: I am plissed to have partially inspired your troll. You just made my day. BTW, you think good actors have low verbal IQ?

Bonus: Pic of SZI acting lesson with Israeli Ambassador. Obviously scripted.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 29 May 2014 19:13

heat resistant tiles must be given tax free holidays, and every house should have them on top. lot of energy savings. growing creepers on top of the homes is another implemnetation that could be encouraged.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 29 May 2014 19:42

Reliance buys stake in Network18 for Rs 4,000 cr

Mukesh Ambani-promoted Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL) has acquired a controlling stake in media group Network18 and its subsidiary TV18 for Rs 4,000 crore. The acquisition has been formally concluded through Independent Media Trust (IMT), in which RIL is the sole beneficiary.

This suite includes In.com, IBNLive.com, Moneycontrol.com, Firstpost.com, Cricketnext.in, Homeshop18.com, Bookmyshow.com; the broadcast channels include Colors, CNN IBN, CNBC TV18, IBN7, CNBC Awaaz.

4000 Crores n Sardesai's Mushraff.

One down.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 29 May 2014 19:45

panduranghari wrote: Sir,
Less than 15% black money will come back.

People need to be named and shamed.

If and ONLY if, all the known money returns, there will be a depreciation of the rupee. Not a good idea. better to hold it offshore and buy arms or buy assets overseas.

Every person holding black money should be made an example of. No other deterent will work.

Correction, not name and shame,

but

Name and Jail

Deprivation of liberty more valuable than badnam name!!

and then both fine them and seize funds

Hearts in purses. Hurt them where it hurts most.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 29 May 2014 19:51

AbhiJ wrote:
Mukesh Ambani-promoted Reliance Industries Ltd (RIL) has acquired a controlling stake in media group Network18 and its subsidiary TV18 for Rs 4,000 crore. The acquisition has been formally concluded through Independent Media Trust (IMT), in which RIL is the sole beneficiary.

This suite includes In.com, IBNLive.com, Moneycontrol.com, Firstpost.com, Cricketnext.in, Homeshop18.com, Bookmyshow.com; the broadcast channels include Colors, CNN IBN, CNBC TV18, IBN7, CNBC Awaaz.

Mukesh bhai is an INC crony but is on good terms with Modi. Remains to be seen how this pans out specially for husband-wife team.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 29 May 2014 20:17

I think Cong lost 1/3rd of the battle when Ambanis sided with Modi before the election. History aside they are now firmly behind BJP this time. IMO.

James B · Post by **James B** » 29 May 2014 20:29

Supratik wrote:
Mukesh bhai is an INC crony but is on good terms with Modi. Remains to be seen how this pans out specially for husband-wife team.

Husband-Wife team resigning by this month end & leave by June end.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 29 May 2014 20:33

James B wrote: Husband-Wife team resigning by this month end & leave by June end.

and joining newsX ?

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 29 May 2014 20:38

BTW today again Times Now got hold of list of 10 priorities first before anyone. Proves it is firmly in good terms with BJP.