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Prasad wrote:At the same time, BJP members are being attacked by TMC goons consistently. Wife of a bjp member was raped recently. Not much media attention obviously, since victims aren't of the secular persuasion. Not much noise from bjp either, very similar to the silence when bjp members in TN were getting attacked.
it's getting front page coverage in local media, none of which have a record of being pro-BJP.

state BJP leaders are very active & vocal and will not let this issue die. I dont know how TN unit handled it but TMC is getting really bad publicity over this.
btw, BJP worker killed yesterday was muslim.
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sum wrote:^^ The Chindu still seems dazed from the election results and prints out more garbage. Some kind oul could try and explain what this article tried to convey since couldnt make head or tail of it:
The hologram becomes the face
it's easy sum. if you are an intel-elek-chew-all, what do you do when you are depressed and want to run away from reality ?
you smoke pot. and then the copy editor from hundi calls about that article you promised.
this is the end result. be grateful it didn't have references to pink elephants and giant flying pumpkins.
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Modi's choice on which ELM and DDM now seems to be waking up.


Return of the Superspy

No spymaster before him is so fabled for running meticulously conceived anti-terror operations deep inside enemy territory. He has personally trained agents in the dangerous art of exhaustive reconnaissance of insurgent hideouts in troubled Kashmir, at great risk to life and liberty. He has spent decades tirelessly tracking down suspected militants in the treacherous terrain of the North-East, infiltrating terrorist outfits in Punjab, conducting dangerous counter-insurgency missions, and, most importantly, acting as the father figure for India’s intelligence operatives working thousands of miles away from home running covert operations that no other Indian agency—perhaps with the exception of the Technical Services Division dismantled by General Bikram Singh— had dared to attempt in the past.

Ajit Kumar Doval, 69, former Director of Intelligence Bureau and now the new National Security Adviser in Narendra Modi’s government, is a revered figure in the secret world of Indian espionage. The ‘Master’ as a field agent had successfully broken the back of the North-East insurgency in 1986 in an undercover operation that gave him lasting fame—the defection of 6 out of 7 commanders of Laldenga’s outfit to the Indian cause, forcing the secessionist leader to sign the peace accord. In his heydays as an operative, Doval’s addiction to danger, instead of safely spending life behind a babu’s desk in the North Block, drafting and signing INT reports, marked him for greatness. As a young man, he was a thrill seeker—in the Eighties, the 1968 Kerala batch IPS officer, a master at disguise and embedded deep undercover in Pakistan for almost six years, pulled off daring coups that left ISI clueless. With years of experience in dealing with insurgency and terrorism in Kashmir, the new NSA is expected to shake up New Delhi’s moribund security establishments paralysed by UPA’s inaction and inter-organisational politics. Veteran intelligence analysts feel the Doval Effect will also impact the PMO’s aggressive foreign policy towards Pakistan and China.

Hours after the formal announcement of his appointment last week, terrorist chatter on the Kashmir border revealed that terror commanders in Pak Occupied Kashmir (PoK) are on knife edge. India’s Most Wanted Dawood Ibrahim, who is the ISI’s prized guest in Karachi, immediately shifted his base closer to the lawless Pak-Afghan border. Doval’s experience in covert actions deep into enemy territory left the don fearing an unexpected Osama-like op. The legend of Doval, who for the next five years will command Indian security and Intelligence to ruthlessly protect Indian interests, stands to be reborn again.

D C Pathak, former Director of the Intelligence Bureau, who had worked with Doval, says the government’s choice of NSA is perfectly tailored to the task. “The challenges and problems we face are well known to all. Now we have the right man for the job. I have always advocated someone with field operations background should be the NSA,” feels Pathak. Some of the best spies in the CIA, Mossad and the now defunct KGB with field experience as either soldiers or spooks make it to senior positions in government and intelligence across the world.
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Sometime in 1988. Residents of Amritsar around the Golden Temple where Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale once held sway, and Khalistani militants spotted a rickshawpuller plying his trade. He was new in the area and he looked ordinary enough. The suspicious militants put him on their watch list. It took 10 days for them to make contact; or for him to approach them, as the confusing game of spycraft unfurled within the sacred precincts. The rickshaw puller convinced the militants that he was an ISI operative, who had been sent by his Pakistani masters to help the Khalistan cause. Two days before Operation Black Thunder, the rickshaw-puller entered the Golden Temple and returned with crucial information, including the actual strength and positions of the terrorists inside the shrine. He was none other than Ajit Doval undercover. When the final assault came, the young police officer was inside Harminder Sahib, streaming much needed information to security forces to carry out search-and-flush operations.
“His piercing gaze and mysterious smile is etched in my memory forever,” says an intelligence officer who met Doval after Operation Black Thunder. “The risk was high but our security forces got the blueprint for the attack from Doval. Maps, details like strength, weapons and the location where militants was hiding were given by him. The IB passed over the information to NSG, saving countless lives and preventing further damage to the temple,” he recollects.

Doval’s bravery and ingenuity earned him the Kirti Chakra, the first cop to win the gallantry award, previously given to Army officers only. Similarly, his operations in the ’80s in Mizoram had an unprecedented success rate in eliminating and effecting the surrender of important insurgent leaders. Doval’s strategy was to use information from agents on the ground to keep a tight leash on rebels while covert operations were carried out against hardcore anti-nationals. An intelligence officer, who served under Doval, describes his informal style towards trusted agents engaged in field operations. They were encouraged to “live” their roles and could come to work dressed anyway they liked, with no questions asked.

“We were not required to dress like babus,” the officer recalls. “Operatives would come in kurta pajamas and lungis, wearing sandals. Anyone preparing for an op deep inside enemy territory was allowed to grow a beard ‘to get into the role.’ Others could hire maulvis to learn Urdu and Arabic. As part of their cover, some agents spent days learning shoe-making and later worked as mochis in targeted areas including foreign countries. Doval saab himself is expert in Urdu,” the officer adds proudly.

The surrender of the dreaded Kashmiri militant Kuka Parray was a feather in Doval’s cap in the Nineties. Such was his acumen that, armed with terrorist psycho profiles, he was able to brainwash and persuade Parray and gang to become counter-insurgents. “He met Parray sometime in the 1990s and motivated him to help the government,” confides a serving intelligence operative who had seen action in Kashmir as a young man, refusing to divulge further details. Parray and his outfit Ikhwan-e-Muslimoon, neutralised top militant commanders in the Valley with the help of the Indian Army. Turning Parray was a political victory as well; the operation enabled the Centre to subsequently hold the Assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir in 1996. Parray, who became an MLA, was killed in a terrorist ambush later. The official says then “New Delhi” was not certain Doval would succeed, being aware of the complex political situation. But, the coup earned him the respect of even his staunchest critics within the agency, who were advocating a peacenik policy with Pakistan-sponsored terror outfits. A master of psychological warfare, Doval’s role in several near-mythical exploits in Kashmir expanded from being just a ruthless spymaster to a master-strategist, who brought various separatists including Yasin Malik, Shabbir Shah Maulvi Farooq, and even the hawkish pro-Pak SAS Geelani to the negotiating table.

Intelligence agents admit that though India’s George Smiley hung up his boots in 2005, he was still unofficially in the field, directing covert missions. A Wikileaks cable dated August 2005 had suggested that Doval had planned the failed IB operation to take out Dawood, who escaped after some bad ’uns in the Mumbai police had tipped him off. “The reports of Dawood shifting his base in Pakistan appears credible as Doval has been pursuing him for over a decade,” said an Intelligence officer.

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The Avenger: Never Forgive Nor Forget
An intelligence aide who worked under Doval in the Nineties observes that the spymaster is utterly ruthless and calculative while dealing with Pakistan’s cross-border terrorism. Read More

Nipendra Misra, The Man at the PMO
Misra retired as telecom secretary and was subsequently appointed chairman of TRAI in 2006, in what turned out to be the most crucial phase of his career because of the 2G scam. Read More

The Gentleman, Earning Loyalty
A senior spook who had worked with Doval at the IB headquarters says the “Boss” was a “multi-tasker,” writing notes on one subject while giving verbal instructions on another, and in between talking on even trivial issues on the phone—all at once. Read More

3 Immediate Challenges: Pak, Nepal, Bangladesh
Amar Bhushan, former R&AW Special Secretary observes that the Doval-Modi team would need to improve people-to-people contact while preventing ceasefire violations and terrorist infiltration. Read More

To Transform Demoralised Intelligence Agencies
Doval as head of the think tank Vivekananda Foundation has always been of the view that the neighbourhood factor and historical experiences make India highly vulnerable to external threats. Read More

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^Wow. Doval's profile reads like something the Tom Clancy's of the world could never dream up.

A superman attracts other supermen to his team, eh? They say the highest Himalayan peaks create their own local climate around them. Similarly, NM seems to be building his own climate/ ecosystem around him. only.
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^^ Good stuff.
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^ Actually I am a bit disappointed with NaMo's cabinet, rank idiots like SushmaG, !0thPasswanji etc, as far as I see there isn't anyone in the cabinet even half as inspiring as NaMO and whyphor Jaitley in finance? Jaitley should have been made the Congress mukth bharath legal team minister. Namo's team looks like the Everest planted in the middle of Thar desert
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Mahendra wrote:^ Actually I am a bit disappointed with NaMo's cabinet, rank idiots like SushmaG, !0thPasswanji etc, as far as I see there isn't anyone in the cabinet even half as inspiring as NaMO and whyphor Jaitley in finance? Jaitley should have been made the Congress mukth bharath legal team minister. Namo's team looks like the Everest planted in the middle of Thar desert
Jaitley is very investment and infrastructure friendly. I think he's a good pick for now. In the case of Sushma, a compromise had to be made. She can be ruthless when working for the right person. You have to understand that these guys actually don't do much work. They are just management. It's the teams under them which are coming up with all the policies and implementation strategies. They just ensure accountability, sign, and present to Modi.
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Asian Age says that Jaitley is there as NM has no Delhi experience and network. He is supposed to do the fixing jobs as required by NM.
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kenop wrote:Asian Age says that Jaitley is there as NM has no Delhi experience and network. He is supposed to do the fixing jobs as required by NM.
gosh this is what NBlock secretary babu told me 2 weeks back!!
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Hari Seldon wrote: A superman attracts other supermen to his team, eh? They say the highest Himalayan peaks create their own local climate around them. Similarly, NM seems to be building his own climate/ ecosystem around him. only.
Reality check -- Doval has been the preferred choice of ABV and NDA as well, its right up there in the article about him.

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Mahendra wrote:^ Actually I am a bit disappointed with NaMo's cabinet, rank idiots like SushmaG, !0thPasswanji etc, as far as I see there isn't anyone in the cabinet even half as inspiring as NaMO and whyphor Jaitley in finance? Jaitley should have been made the Congress mukth bharath legal team minister. Namo's team looks like the Everest planted in the middle of Thar desert
Give it a chance. Modi has the talent and skill to get the best performance out of even a mediocre team.
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Yesterday rahul kanwal of headline today was interviewing mann guy who one from saAp ticket in punjab, and he kept asking him about drug problem in punjab adding in every sentence '...as rahul gandhi had said that 70% youngsters are taking drugs, and now everyone agrees with him'.
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^ The message has been given by NaMo meeting Secretaries directly and providing them with personal mobile + email. Only NaMo has been given the verdict by Hindusthanam the ministers are just mukhautas it'll be NaMo NaMo all the way. In couple of years as Amit Shah completes his BJP president term he'll move to be the Home Minister and Deputy PM while Rajnath can go back to being BJP president.
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Mahendra wrote:^ Actually I am a bit disappointed with NaMo's cabinet, rank idiots like SushmaG, !0thPasswanji etc, as far as I see there isn't anyone in the cabinet even half as inspiring as NaMO and whyphor Jaitley in finance? Jaitley should have been made the Congress mukth bharath legal team minister. Namo's team looks like the Everest planted in the middle of Thar desert
Wo sab theek hai but bhy phor does Vadara couple still enjoy SPG protection and all privileges at airports ? ABV's mistake of giving the family a long rope should not be repeated.
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^One reason is that an SPG protectee has to perforce inform GoI about goings and comings outside of India in great detail.

Am sure, GoI is also probing past such filings (if they were anywhere near truthful, that is).

Also, 'mere' NSG protection is way enough for the fake gandhis, methinks. SPG is just ech and dee maalish, IMVVHO.

P.S.
I don't expect legal and legitimate action against UPA grandees in the next few months - until the budget's passed etc and until a new provision of fast track courts to quickly try cases against public figures is put in place. Only.
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if you read history, the offensives that really broke the back of enemy formations in a long term sense El Alamein, Bagration, Uranus , Zitadelle, Overlord etc needed months and months of logistical preparations. for Overlord make that years. to commit unprepared formations with suboptimal logistics into battle against a powerful enemy is not wise choice. the NDA troops are more in number but inexperienced and unseasoned against the wily remnants of the congis, their MSM, academic and foreign backers. we can already see examples like statements of couple of state level HMs on rape issue - whether they meant it or not, its all twisted out of shape by MSM to make them look like condone rape.

chess pieces need to be moved, key people need to get command experience, all recce intel gathered, non-performers relegated to non-fighting roles, armies have to be raised , equipped, trained...smaller battles have to be fought...small unit leaders need to be identified.

and then the big breakthroughs can begin in the pre dawn darkness as 1000s of tube artillery and katyushas line up in the forests and angle their barrels up from deep beneath camo nets.

leningrad(900 days of starvation with people on 150gm of food daily), smolensk, kharkov must be avenged. it is known that STAVKA never forgets...
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Before the noose is tightened, the govt of the day must do what it has been elected to do. If it delivers on the promise. You can rest assured, that the dynasty will be dead, buried and forgotten by the end of 5 years.

But in the meanwhile, NaMo must not come across as a vindictive type. Let the threat perceptions continue dictate the course of actions against the dynasty.
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^^ That's all fine but I dont understand why robber and his wife should be exempt from security checks at airport. That has nothing to do with "threat" unless you are saying the security personnel are a threat.
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If anything happens to Robber, Congress will use the slightest change in Status Quo in this matter, to paint Modi as the one responsible for making Bianca teary eyed widow.
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Let the game continue for now. If he chooses to act on the Vadra's. He will do so at a time that gives him the maximum payback.
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Chandrasekhar wrote:If anything happens to Robber, Congress will use the slightest change in Status Quo in this matter, to paint Modi as the one responsible for making Bianca teary eyed widow.
Already, they got all of Rober's family one-by-one after marriage. They will not hesitate to dump scam-tainted Rober and pin blame on Modi. Its one shot two bird option for Scamgress.
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Not while he is protected by the SPG.
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keep them under spg and keep a watch on their movement
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while wise folks here whine about why this why that
NaMo silently is pulling the rug from underneath

Chief Election Commisner Janab Sampat has been issued a
notice by IT department about property worth 15-20 keyroar onree
he is to explain why action should not be taken within 15 days.
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Niran ji, your andar ke khabars are always uplifting! Modiji is silent but deadly.

Why should he spend political capital on whether Robber gets groped at the airport or not. It would merely give the Congis something to cry about without any benefit to the nation.
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negi wrote: Wo sab theek hai but bhy phor does Vadara couple still enjoy SPG protection and all privileges at airports ? ABV's mistake of giving the family a long rope should not be repeated.
SPG was an emotional decision taken after rajiv's assasination by Narsimha Rao govt. Vajpayee had nothing to do with it.
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My Spin...
SPG (now) == Intelligence keeping tab on Dynasty and reporting to higher bosses
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Further Robbeer shall be kept alive and health so that he and his wife can be kept in line and ensure their are out of politics. If SSwamy is to be belived the wife and husbend are in very bad terms and Robbeer was planing to jump to Dubai. SPG protection will also ensure he does not jump to Desert lands for dry and cool air.

Sampath was appointed by MQ from YSR gang to ensure that he is in place to 2014 election and things can be manupulated by him. This was videly reported at the time of his appointment itself. Filing a FIR on NM and leaking to paid Tv media that EC was "furious" and all that media rubbish is a serious mistake on the part of Sampath. He overpaid his hand and now will pay price for that.
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What are the chances that 10 Sampath would be voluntarily resignated post Tax scandal :)
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If he chooses to put in his papers due to the tax related issue, it would be bonus.

He cannot be sacked, because of his constitutional position.
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Pratyush wrote:If he chooses to put in his papers due to the tax related issue, it would be bonus.

He cannot be sacked, because of his constitutional position.
Hence will stick to it.
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Wait for Action on Land scams of Robber. He will enjoy all protection under Ashram in Delhi. Don't hurry on things which are sensitive .
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Also wait for NaMo to forward details of criminal cases against incumbent MPs to Supreme court asking them to set up separate court and expedite decisions.

He is moving surely and fast on priority issues.
1. Price rise
2. priming bureaucracy
3. Simplifying procedures.
4. Allowing law to take its own course.
5. Speeding up delivery of justice.

Many things will automatically flow from these steps without appearing to be vengeful or vindictive. Since no statements are issues to counter statements of opponents the pesudo debates would die its own death. I feel we need not imagine things or impose our own ideas of what NaMo should do or should not do and leave it to him and his team. If tings don't materialize in due time then by all means he would be asked question. And then do criticize him. But first give him enough time to detoxify the system.
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Meanwhile, Modi asks campaign strategists to prepare for state polls due later this year.

After the Modi victory, BJP eyes new targets (IE)
The Team that ran Narendra Modi’s poll campaign is back at work, its next target being assembly elections due this year. Prime Minister Modi, it has been learnt, has asked his campaign strategists to stop celebrating the victory and begin ground work for the upcoming “challenges”. They have been advised to replicate the campaign and communication strategy they followed in the general elections. The big target is Maharashtra, which goes to polls in December.
'bout effing time.
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^^^ NCP / Cong have already firmed up their strategy for Maharashtra elections -- trigger Hindu Muslim incidents in various parts of Maharashtra, blame them on RSS / BJP, and frighten Muslims into voting for them.

For example, consider the following. This guy was the very first victim of the recent Hindu-Muslim clashes in Pune over FB posts about Shivaji. See who led the Muslim mob, triggering a reaction from Hindus:

‘Had to circulate video saying I am a Hindu, not linked to FB posts’
Tikone said he was discharged from hospital three days ago, but was taking rest as wounds had not fully healed. He said he had not named any of his Muslim attackers in his complaint. “There was a local NCP leader… I’ve not named anyone in my statement. I stated I can identify the person if brought before me.”
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Another BJP leader shot dead in Muzaffarnagar. I think ground is being set to spread fear & chaos in the BJP ranks in UP. SP, BSP seem to have combined in order to finish off BJP while Modi ji sends Saaris to Pakistan. Where is the CBI? Where is the NIA? Where is IB? He has still not ordered a CBI inquiry in the BJP leader's murder in Dadri. One day he pays homage to BJP workers and next day the same worker is killed and he does nothing?!
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Killing of BJP / RSS leaders is rampant in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Now, this has spread to UP and Bengal. If BJP cannot put the fear of God in the killers and their political backers despite holding power in Center, shame on its leaders.
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RE: Murdering of BJP leaders / workers. What should be NaMo focusing on? I think it is important to not retaliate at this juncture for obvious reasons. However, I predict it will start becoming difficult for BJP/Hindu cadres to not retaliate. To avoid this, Modi should start kicking off legal proceedings backed by the President and courts against the perpetrating governments. If this is all happening within non-BJP ruled states it will become a question of jurisdictions.
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If BJP cannot protect its workers then they will leave. Simple.
Congis would have unleashed every three lettered agency, overt or covert, on these miscreants.
This is how they ruled for decades.
If BJP cannot learn statecraft, which they amply demonstrated in NDA1, someone else will take centre stage.
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