Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 21 Apr 2014

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 11 Jul 2014 05:14

Paul wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1118278/passen ... tion-cards

Passengers turning up with fake vaccination cards
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On May 5, World Health Organisation (WHO) declared it mandatory for Pakistan passengers to receive at least one dose of anti-polio vaccine, since the country was accused of exporting the virus to other regions.
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“Moreover, we are not authorised to stop those persons who do not have polio travel card. We can only guide them to get vaccination and then proceed to airplane,” he said.

God help us!

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 11 Jul 2014 06:21

Very odd that a Pakistani would hire a Filipina maid. Is there a shortage of poor people in Pakistan?

Or do they not trust the poor people in Pakistan.

vish_mulay · Post by **vish_mulay** » 11 Jul 2014 06:41

Trying to be more Arab than Arab. Philippino maids are very much in demand in the middle east. Pakimoonkeys just following the trend.

partha · Post by **partha** » 11 Jul 2014 06:43

sanjaykumar wrote:Very odd that a Pakistani would hire a Filipina maid. Is there a shortage of poor people in Pakistan?

Or do they not trust the poor people in Pakistan.

Basically, Pakistan is a front line all lie of Philippines' war on unemployment and poverty. Pakistan demands reimbursement of $5 Biilion for fighting Philippines' war.

Peregrineji,

will write a letter to Kulkarni uncle.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Jul 2014 06:46

For Kulkarni sahib the first post on the first page in minor doses *may* do the trick. It has enough data in there to open the eyes of any "open minded person" aka non-indoctrinated person.

But I suspect Shri Sudheendhra does not fall in that category of people.

partha · Post by **partha** » 11 Jul 2014 06:59

http://www.dawn.com/news/1118459/pakist ... aterial-us

Pakistan not source of Iraqi nuclear material: US

WASHINGTON: The United States said on Thursday that it had no information to suggest that the nuclear materials seized in Iraq had come from Pakistan.

“We have no confirmation of who the source of the material was,” US State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki told a briefing in Washington.

“We have had a range of dialogue with Pakistan and I am not aware of any new concern on this case,” she added.

At the State Department news briefing on Thursday, some Indian journalists suggested that the material might have come from Pakistan but the department’s spokesperson disagreed with them.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Jul 2014 07:04

vish_mulay · Post by **vish_mulay** » 11 Jul 2014 07:08

http://tribune.com.pk/story/511766/from ... nd-rupees/

Twenty-six-year-old Grace, a Filipina maid, came to Pakistan three years ago, “When things were not so strict it was easier for me to come here, but now the embassy in the Philippines has warned us that Pakistan is not safe,” she said.

Grace works in Islamabad, but she was brought to Pakistan by an agent in Lahore. “My first employers were so bad. They did not pay on time and didn’t give me days off. So I just ran away!”

With the help of some Filipino friends in Islamabad, she approached the Embassy of the Philippines. Since her employers had withheld her passport, she filed a police report for a ‘lost’ passport and filed for a new one by showing a photocopy of her work visa. “I hear many stories about bad employers, so I tell all my Filipino friends that if they are unhappy with their employers and want to run away, they must have a photocopy of their work visa.”

“Pakistan is not such a strict country,” she said in a matter-of-fact tone. “If you have friends at the embassy like I do, you can convert your work visa to a POC for Rs70,000 without showing a marriage certificate.”

Pakis being well pakis!

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/10 ... pino-maid/

Ayesha Malik, former MPA Malik Ahad’s daughter, was cruel to workers and she even subjected them to severe physical torture, Filipino maid Mrs Rosy said while talking to reporters on Wednesday.
She alleged that she was detained without food or water by Ayesha when she worked for her. She said during her time, she was tortured and hence she refused to work, after which Ayesha attacked her with armed accomplices at her home in Defense. One of the armed men was in uniform while the others were security guards, she said. The men entered the house forcibly and started throwing things around, she said, adding that they also thrashed the family members and kidnapped her son. Ayesha and the men demanded that the Rs 2,50,000 they had paid in salaries be returned otherwise they would kill the boy.

partha · Post by **partha** » 11 Jul 2014 07:09

This one's a classic. Never gets old.

By Ajit Ninan for ToI.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Jul 2014 07:40

vish_mulay wrote:Trying to be more Arab than Arab. Philippino maids are very much in demand in the middle east. Pakimoonkeys just following the trend.

Also Pakistani workers might be tempted to qadrify their masters if they saw them drinking and eating during ramzan.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 11 Jul 2014 07:58

Pakistani terror group swears allegiance to Islamic State

A Pakistani terror group has become the first in the region to break ranks and declare allegiance to the Islamic State that has seized power across Iraq and Syria.It represents a breakthrough for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as he tries to win support for his caliphate, potentially extending his influence into South Asia and bolstering his challenge to al-Qaeda for leadership of the global jihadist movement.

Little is known about the Tehreek-e-Khilafat group other than that it has claimed responsibility for a string of attacks in Karachi.
This week it pledged to raise the Islamic State’s flag in South Asia and Khurasan – the historic name used by Islamist militants for an area covering Afghanistan and Pakistan.

It is thought to be the first group beyond the Middle East to have offered support.
Pakistan is home to dozens of militant groups with greater or lesser ties to al-Qaeda or the Taliban.
Tehreek-e-Khilafat and Jihad is considered part of the Pakistan Taliban, an umbrella movement linked to al-Qaeda containing dozens of terrorist groups, racketeers and sectarian outfits.
Its statement was passed on through trusted sources.
Saifullah Mehsud, of the Fata Research Centre which monitors activity in Pakistan tribal areas, said he expected more militant groups to follow suit.
“This seems to be the in thing now. If you monitor social media, as I do, all the talk is about the Islamic State rather than al-Qaeda,” he said.
“All the chatter is about Baghdadi – negative and positive.”
Analysts believe the latest generation of fighters has only known al-Qaeda on the defensive. Osama bin Laden was shot dead in Pakistan three years ago and its current leaders are all but invisible as they dodge drones in the country’s tribal areas.
In contrast, the Islamic State, as it is now known, has seized hundreds of square miles in Iraq and Syria.
Al-Qaeda formally distanced itself from the group earlier this year, chiding it for its lack of teamwork in its aggressive, brutal expansion.
As it did so, it snatched power not just from local administrations but also al-Qaeda, undermining its claim to be the pre-eminent Islamist terror force.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 11 Jul 2014 08:28

Happy to see Pakis stand for ISIS. Brings value addition to the Pakistani brand's goodwill.
Who else will stand by ISIS if not the Pakis .. hain ji ..
AoA !!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 08:57

I am sure the diversity and piety of sunni Islamic groups in Pakistan can only be increased by the presence of ISIS in Pakistan.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Jul 2014 09:48

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/10/world ... ar_twitter

Pakis seem to have pounded Miranshah to a pulp. Look at the photos and videos!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Jul 2014 09:53

Rony wrote:“This seems to be the in thing now. If you monitor social media, as I do, all the talk is about the Islamic State rather than al-Qaeda,” he said.

That's the beauty of jihad. Whichever group is more violent, it becomes automatically the flavour of the season. LeT cadres moved from LeT to Al Qaeda citing 'lack of action' and now Al Qaedists are moving to ISIS. An ever-increasing greenery like the ever-expanding universe, is the motto

sadhana · Post by **sadhana** » 11 Jul 2014 09:54

Look at what the ISI is alleged to have scribbled on walls in Bannu:

http://www.tanqeed.org/2014/07/the-writ ... -the-wall/
@TahaSSiddiqui

The Writing(s) On The Wall - In Bannu hate speech and military praises painted arnd city - my latest for @TanqeedOrg

These wall-chalkings predictably applaud Pakistan’s military operation in North Waziristan. And, they ridicule the prime minister, praise the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and the Afghan Taliban, and curse Mohammad Ali Jinnah, Pakistan’s founder. Most of the wall-chalkings were signed off by a group called the Awaami Baghi Group, Bannu Waziristan (or Public Rebel Group, Bannu, Waziristan), and most had messages that bordering on hate speech.

These wall-chalkings were most likely not written by, or for, locals. All of them were in Urdu, a language that is neither spoken by the displaced from North Waziristan nor the residents of Bannu. The only person willing to give me a quote about these wall-chalkings–the rest were afraid, and even he wished to remain anonymous–said that the wall-chalkings “must have been written by the non-democratic forces who have historically derailed democracy in this country: The Pakistan Army.”

These pictures were taken during my second trip to Bannu after the operation (the first time around, I did a story on militant aid camps.) I did not see these writings on my first trip, and locals I spoke to said they were recent additions. With watch towers and military personnel on every corner, I had to take these pictures, in secret, on my phone and from my car.

If you look at the photos of the wall writings, they are very neatly written. Easy to believe they are military-issue writing.

partha · Post by **partha** » 11 Jul 2014 10:09

sadhana wrote:Look at what the ISI is alleged to have scribbled on walls in Bannu:

http://www.tanqeed.org/2014/07/the-writ ... -the-wall/
@TahaSSiddiqui

If you look at the photos of the wall writings, they are very neatly written. Easy to believe they are military-issue writing.

Good find. Must read this! Definitely the work of PA / ISI. Who the f pays tribute to ISPR, a PR wing of a spy agency, on a city wall? Can't be aam aadmis that too in a border province.
Badmash should quietly hand over power to someone else and go on Haj and never come back. Writing's on the wall. Literally.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Jul 2014 10:13

partha wrote:At the State Department news briefing on Thursday, some Indian journalists suggested that the material might have come from Pakistan but the department’s spokesperson disagreed with them.

If the US had no information on the source of the uranium, how can it disagree on Pakistan as a likely source? It cannot rule out any possibility.

partha · Post by **partha** » 11 Jul 2014 12:19

This is a funny story of Pakistan's efforts to import LNG.

Feb 13th 2014:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/670987/near ... lng-price/

Near-agreement: Pakistan, Qatar likely to finalise LNG price

Pakistan and Qatar are likely to agree on a price for supply of liquefied natural gas (LNG) and finalise a deal in upcoming talks slated for February 18 in Doha.
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Later, it pushed the price down to $17.437 per million British thermal units (mmbtu), a 0.5% discount over the previous rate of $18.002 for the 20-year lifetime of the project.

The price did not cover capital cost of an LNG terminal and its charges, import expenses, re-gasification, wastage and shipping costs. The additional costs would add about $2.084 per mmbtu to the quoted price.

According to a senior government official, Qatar is willing to make the first delivery of LNG by November this year but it has stopped short of giving firm assurances. However, it is flexible in finalising supply arrangements.

“Now, the government of Qatar has agreed to further slash the price to finalise the contract,” the official said.

May 9th 2014:
Deal still not finalized. Note how Pakistan official claimed Qatar has agreed to slash the price. But here Pakistan is planning to bargain the price.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/705965/gas- ... lng-price/

Gas import: Qatari team coming, govt to bargain over LNG price

In earlier negotiations, Qatar had asked the PML-N government to set up an LNG terminal before striking a supply deal. Responding to the suggestion, the government awarded a terminal contract to Elengy Terminal Pakistan Limited (ETPL), a subsidiary of Engro Corp, which would build the facility in 11 months.

“With the commitment to setting up the terminal, we have cleared the way for importing LNG from Qatar,” an official said.
In meetings with officials of the previous PPP-led government, Doha had offered to export LNG at a price equivalent to 14.7% of Brent crude oil rate when it was hovering around $110 per barrel in the international market.

Later, it pushed the price down to $17.437 per mmbtu, a 0.5% discount over the previous rate of $18.002 for the 20-year lifetime of the project.

The price did not cover capital cost of LNG terminal and its charges, import expenses, re-gasification, wastage and shipping costs. The additional costs would add about $2.084 per mmbtu to the quoted price.

The IP project has been stalled in the wake of threat of US sanctions and gas import from India also looks unfeasible as Delhi is seeking a higher price of $21 per million British thermal units (mmbtu). “Now, the immediate choice for Pakistan is to opt for Qatar LNG,” the official said.

Hindu banias with small hearts.

No info on bargaining, no assurances on price from Qatar. That doesn't stop Pakistan from releasing a report claiming success!

May 20th 2014:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/710539/liqu ... next-year/

Liquefied natural gas: Qatar agrees to supply 200 mmcfd from next year

ISLAMABAD:
Qatar has given a firm commitment to Pakistan that it will start exporting 200 million cubic feet of liquefied natural gas per day (mmcfd) next year – a promise that will end years of efforts to bring vital gas supplies to ease energy shortages, officials say.

A senior official said the price was the last point that would be taken up after the two sides signed the Heads of Agreement.

When Pakistan is so much energy starved, you may be wondering why it is trying so hard to reduce the price from $20 per MMBTU as demanded by Qatar. After all Qatar is a ummah brother. The answer lies in this Feb 17th 2014 report -

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2 ... o-Pakistan

India-Qatar LNG deal at $10-12 poses challenge to Pakistan

When his attention was drawn towards the fact that India is importing LNG from Qatar at $10-12 per MMBTU as mentioned in the letter of energy expert Arshad H Abbasi associated with SDPI written to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Dr Miftah said: “I assure that this government will get a better deal with Qatar and we will also look into the Qatar-India deal prior to advancing on LNG deal.”

So it is all about getting a better deal than Yindia. H&D issues. As you can see above Pakistan couldn't get a better deal than India. It is July 2014 now. Let's see what's the latest.

July 11th 2014:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/733841/unfr ... ng-supply/

Unfriendly ties: US turns down Pakistan’s demand for LNG supply

"Pakistan's demand".

ISLAMABAD: The United States has refused to enter into a liquefied natural gas (LNG) supply deal with Pakistan on a state-to-state basis and has instead suggested that Islamabad should strike an agreement with Qatar for gas import, but it could prove quite expensive.

Background interviews with some officials reveal that the government was upset over the US response, which denied LNG supply to a country that has been its key strategic partner since long.

On the other side, Washington has offered civil nuclear technology to Delhi and a US company has clinched an LNG supply accord with an Indian firm at $12 to $13 per million British thermal units (mmbtu).

Experts are of the view that the government could not afford to pay a high LNG price to Qatar, which stands close to the furnace oil price of $20 per mmbtu. Pakistan could afford a price that is in the range of $13 to $15 per mmbtu, they say.

Hain? What happened to the promise of getting a better deal than India?

Now, a price negotiation committee is being constituted to bargain with Doha.

This is turning out to be another Diamer Bhasha.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Jul 2014 13:12

Sialkot statistics at work

http://tribune.com.pk/story/733818/fy14 ... ts-to-imf/

After denying it for weeks, the government has finally admitted that economic growth for the recently-concluded fiscal year is expected to be around 3.3% – the worst in years – breaking the myth of economic revival in the first year of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) government. The admission, however, was only made in front of the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Publicly, the government has maintained that the growth in 2013-14 stood at 4.1%.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Jul 2014 13:15

From NightWatch for the night of July 10, 2014

Pakistan: Concerning the North Waziristan offensive, Pakistan Army Major-General Zafarullah Khan told the press that the militant leadership remains at large and that some saw the operation coming.

"It will be wrong on my part to say that some of them did not escape," he said. "They could smell the operation was about to begin. The talks failed, the build-up for the operation had already begun and they could see that, they could sense and smell and therefore the leadership was not here. The leadership tried to abandon the place."

One Pakistani Taliban commander, Gilaman Mehsood, said in a telephone interview with the press that the military's casualty figures were incorrect and that most Pakistani Taliban fighters have taken sanctuary in the border areas of Afghanistan.

Comment: General Khan is one of the senior commanders for the North Waziristan operations. His admission is refreshing for its candor, but the Taliban commander's statement is probably more accurate {We have seen this kind of escape time and time again and there is nothing surprising or unexpected here.} .

The Pakistan Army has no authority to operate in the tribal agencies without special permission from the President of Pakistan and without informing the federal agents and tribal leaders. In addition, the Army requires the support of locally recruited tribal paramilitary forces to make any headway.

The result is that Pakistan Army operations in the tribal agencies never have operational security. The militants from local clans and tribes always get tipped off by fellow tribesmen. Even with the best intentions, the most the Army can do is disrupt the Pakistani Taliban and make tribal life uncomfortable for a time. The UN reported more than 700,000 persons have been displaced in North Waziristan.

Clarification. Pakistan's Foreign Ministry came to China's rescue today to clarify that China respects freedom of religion and that there is no ban on fasting. The misunderstanding is that government guidelines state that religious activities should not interfere with state functions.{Wow, we want to ask JI, JUI, LeT, JeM et al if they concur with GoP's support for the ban on fasting}

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Jul 2014 13:26

Pictures from Miranshah. Look at the third one. The TFTA abdul seems to be carrying M4 carbine? Special forces?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1118349/mirams ... s-march-in

also look at the one captioned

A soldier stands by ammunition seized during a military operation against Taliban militants, in the of town of Miramshah, North Waziristan July 9, 2014.

Receiver looks like AK. The handgrip looks like M4.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 11 Jul 2014 13:57

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1 ... nts-in-NWA

Six TFTAs droned.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 15:15

SSridhar wrote:
partha wrote:At the State Department news briefing on Thursday, some Indian journalists suggested that the material might have come from Pakistan but the department’s spokesperson disagreed with them.
If the US had no information on the source of the uranium, how can it disagree on Pakistan as a likely source? It cannot rule out any possibility.

If Pakis reassure the US that it isn't Pakistani, then the US can be quite sure that they are telling the truth.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 11 Jul 2014 15:18

Paul wrote:http://www.dawn.com/news/1118278/passen ... tion-cards

Passengers turning up with fake vaccination cards
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On May 5, World Health Organisation (WHO) declared it mandatory for Pakistan passengers to receive at least one dose of anti-polio vaccine, since the country was accused of exporting the virus to other regions.

“Moreover, we are not authorised to stop those persons who do not have polio travel card. We can only guide them to get vaccination and then proceed to airplane,” he said.

I predicted exactly this scenario long back. We need to make sure pakis applying for Indian visa are coming to Indian consulates and getting vaccinated there. India should not accept certificates of vaccination issued from anywhere else. And make them pay for this along with visa processing fee. There is simply no other solution.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 11 Jul 2014 16:19

Dilbu wrote:quote="Paul"]http://www.dawn.com/news/1118278/passen ... tion-cards

Passengers turning up with fake vaccination cards
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On May 5, World Health Organisation (WHO) declared it mandatory for Pakistan passengers to receive at least one dose of anti-polio vaccine, since the country was accused of exporting the virus to other regions.

“Moreover, we are not authorised to stop those persons who do not have polio travel card. We can only guide them to get vaccination and then proceed to airplane,” he said./quote]
I predicted exactly this scenario long back. We need to make sure pakis applying for Indian visa are coming to Indian consulates and getting vaccinated there. India should not accept certificates of vaccination issued from anywhere else. And make them pay for this along with visa processing fee. There is simply no other solution.

Or better suspend travel due to this for 6 months for Pakis to sort Polio out and extend it by 6 months indefinately until Polio is erradicated.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 11 Jul 2014 16:56

Rony wrote:...
Little is known about the Tehreek-e-Khilafat group other than that it has claimed responsibility for a string of attacks in Karachi.
This week it pledged to raise the Islamic State’s flag in South Asia and Khurasan – the historic name used by Islamist militants for an area covering Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Correcting for aesthetics. It should be known as Khurasan when the area covers Afghanistan. Include Pakistan and it becomes Khusrasan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 17:11

Anujan wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/10/world ... ar_twitter

Pakis seem to have pounded Miranshah to a pulp. Look at the photos and videos!

Nutrition levels are definitely down in the areas from which the Paki army is recruiting. From the video in the page above I did screen grabs of a RAPE class reporter who gets plenty to eat and is pumping iron. Compare with the scrawny biceps and forearms of a soldier in the same video.

Another pic that I had posted earlier

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 11 Jul 2014 17:19

Don't you think that army mess will provide good nutritionis meals?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 11 Jul 2014 17:20

sadhana wrote:Look at what the ISI is alleged to have scribbled on walls in Bannu:

http://www.tanqeed.org/2014/07/the-writ ... -the-wall/
@TahaSSiddiqui

The Writing(s) On The Wall - In Bannu hate speech and military praises painted arnd city - my latest for @TanqeedOrg

sadhana wrote:If you look at the photos of the wall writings, they are very neatly written. Easy to believe they are military-issue writing.

sadhana Ji :

IMO the writings on the wall seem to have been STENCILED.

Cheers

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 17:29

jamwal wrote:Don't you think that army mess will provide good nutritionis meals?

Probably not enough. Besides they will not make up for poor nutrition at home until age 17 or whatever the recruiting age might be.

The Indian army regularly updates the nutritional needs depending on society at large. India kids are getting beefier and so are Indian Jawans

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Jul 2014 19:07

Sometimes, one must credit DDM for trying as hard as they can, however tactlessly, to put TSP on the dock. Just as some DDM reporter asked state dept mouthpiece if nukes in hand of ISIS are from TSP, here is another desperate attempt by DDM to highlight LeT's venom against "both" US and India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 207582.cms

Most of DDM of course does not understand the real game being played. TSP is very careful to calibrate LeT attacks against Indian targets alone, be it in India proper including J&K, and in Afghanistan. For its part, US knows very well that TSPA/ISI/LeT are all the same entity, and are its munnas taking on the mighty Al Queda. So any damage US suffers at the hands of LeT (like 6 Americans deaths on 26/11) are kosher as long as LeT is used as a strategic asset only against India.

It requires someone of the caliber of GP or Brahma Chellaney or Bharat Karnard or some other high profile nationalist to give this narrative the space it deserves on Indian media.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 20:22

CRamS wrote: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 207582.cms

Most of DDM of course does not understand the real game being played.

I think you may not have understood the game being played. The LeT and Pakistan are deeply involved with ISIS in Iraq. A brief Google search will reveal that the Saudis are funding Pakistan for support and that support is being provided

Of particular concern are reports of hundreds of Pakistani militants and former soldiers now bolstering the ranks of ISIS's assortment of Western-born fighters and Iraqi soldiers.

The Pakistani fighters are believed to be retired army personnel and civilians from militant groups like Hafiz Saeed's Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ). "Hundreds of our mujahideen have moved to Syria. Others are preparing to join them soon," Abu Wahab, commander of a pro-Pakistan militant group claimed. The groups in Iraq are believed to be from the 'pro-government' groups like LeT and LeJ, and not the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) that attacked Karachi airport on June 8, against which the Pakistan army has now launched an offensive in North Waziristan.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nawa ... 68788.html

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 11 Jul 2014 20:25

All this calls for re-reading Saleem Shahzad's book for which he was killed.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Jul 2014 20:37

DoCji,

You may be right, but knowing the TSP obsession with India and India alone, I find it hard to believe that TSP will actually be working with ISIS. Unless of course, it has Uncle's blessing lest shiites with Iran's blessing dominate Iraq at Uncle's expense and he needs a balancer. Short of that, I can't see why TSP would risk Uncle going after LeT when TSP has such leverage over India through LeT.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 11 Jul 2014 20:48

CRamS wrote:DoCji,

You may be right, but knowing the TSP obsession with India and India alone, I find it hard to believe that TSP will actually be working with ISIS.

Once again CRamS you are letting personal incredulity come in the way of facts. You have not been keeping yourself up-to-date with what is happening in Pakistan. If fact your statement above indicates a massive disconnect between what is happening and what you think. I believe you are still clutching on to your favourite belief about the uncomplicated master-slave relationship that you believe exists between the US and Pakistan and you have not allowed events, history and facts obfuscate or dilute your firm belief.

You are living in the 1979 to 2003 period, Rip Van Winkle.

member_28042 · Post by **member_28042** » 11 Jul 2014 20:52

Check out the rest of the pictures.

Through a foreign lens: The Other Pakistan

Anujan wrote:You haters thought that Pakistan only has poor people and terrorists? Here is an article about the Other Pakistan. Each photo is a gem.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1118136

Like this gem: captioned
Educationalist and model Fatima (R) uses her mobile phone while her Filipino domestic worker holds her glass of water at her house in Lahore May 28, 2014.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 11 Jul 2014 20:59

shiv wrote: Nutrition levels are definitely down in the areas from which the Paki army is recruiting. From the video in the page above I did screen grabs of a RAPE class reporter who gets plenty to eat and is pumping iron. Compare with the scrawny biceps and forearms of a soldier in the same video.

Great observation. Combined with C Fair's data showing that TSPA officer recruitment has gone up in non-Punjabi, non-Pashtun areas, this leads me to posit the following theory:

Until 2001, TSPA recruited afsars almost exclusively from select districts of NWFP and Punjab. This was partially due to the martial race theory and its legacy of tradition, but ALSO due to the fact that pre-2001, TSPA only ever had to fight wars of choice. When you only fight at the time and place of your own choosing you have the luxury to pick your afsars from preferred classes and ethnicities because typically your afsars are not going to die in battle. Who did the TSPA fight before 2001? Baluchi and Bengali civilians, by choice. Unarmed Palestinians in Jordan, by choice. Every time they came up against a real army, saying "one momeen equals ten kufr"... that was also by choice, but an unwise choice, because we know what happened. Yet overall, from 1947-2001 the attrition of afsars was relatively low.

After 2001, and especially after 2007 with GOAT spilling over into TSPA operations against TTP, the TSPA found itself fighting out of compulsion rather than choice for the first time in its history. GUBO meant that they HAD to send TSPA troops out to be killed, or else face bad consequences as a deep-state institution: the loss of aid, the levying of sanctions or worse.

In this situation afsars, especially JCOs/Laftans/Kaptaans etc. started to die in significant numbers, and more had to be promoted from the ranks in the field. Now the TSPA could not afford to be choosy about whom it recruited into the officer corps; in fact, the top brass (still Pakjabi and Pashtun) preferred to recruit junior cadres from the other parts of Pakistan because those junior cadres faced a significant risk of death in a civil war of compulsion. Better a SDRE Baluch or Sindhi or Seraiki to lead the Paltan in FATA, than one of their own sons... "officerdom" was no longer a short-hand for kababs and whiskey at the club.

So we have to look at C Fair's numbers again (she speaks broadly of "officer" recruitment) and see... how many of the non-Punjabi, non-Pashtun TSPA officers are actually JCOs who got promoted in the field during the GOAT operations, or were recruited only after the post-2001, post-"war of choice" era?

C Fair says that the recruitment of officers from non-traditional regions of Pakistan holds out some hope that TSPA may become eventually more rational and less Islamized (to reach this conclusion she presents other data showing that the traditional regions of recruitment, Punjab and NWFP, were also the most inveterately Jihadized, anti-India, and anti-Western while Pakis of all ethnicities from the other parts of Pakistan tended to be more "liberal").

In fact I am wondering if the non-Pashtun, non-Punjabi, thin-armed, SDRE-looking, mine-clearance-mission-leading, IED-fodder junior officers in today's TSPA are increasingly aware of what's going on... that they are being made cat's paws, that they have been "elevated" to officer-capable classes only so that they can die in a civil war initiated by the jihadi fantasies of the traditional, 100% pure martial race TFTA old guard. I wonder what sort of organizational stressors this is placing on the TSPA as an institution.

If that is the case, then the fun will start once a significant number of these low-caste Paki afsars reach Karnail or higher rank (probably many will hit a glass ceiling at Karnail). Karnails' Koops are not unheard of in garrison states.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Jul 2014 21:14

shiv wrote:
jamwal wrote:Don't you think that army mess will provide good nutritionis meals?
Probably not enough. Besides they will not make up for poor nutrition at home until age 17 or whatever the recruiting age might be.

The Indian army regularly updates the nutritional needs depending on society at large. India kids are getting beefier and so are Indian Jawans

Another clear case of Pak jernails stealing funds for the aam abduls to pay for Filipina maids.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 11 Jul 2014 21:17

X Posted on Managing China Thread :

Sweeter than the sweetest Honey Fliend loves Muslims of the Land of the Pule and Home of the Tellolist Vely Much :

China sentences 32 in Xinjiang for 'terror' videos

BEIJING: China sentenced 32 people in its western Xinjiang region to prison terms for downloading or sending "violent terror" videos, state media said, as authorities crackdown on people they say are Islamists and separatists behind recent attacks.

Three people were given life sentences on Thursday and 29 people were sentenced to between four and 15 years in prison, said the region's official government news website Tianshan.

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