Telugu States' News and Discussion

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Jul 2014 02:00

Narayan Rao, ShyamSP garlu:

You keep saying that the etymology of the word "Telangana" is from persian "telugu khana". Is it possible that it could be from "telugu nADu"? After all we have a geographic brahmin grouping called "telagANyulu" which is from Pulaksehin II of chaLukya time (ca. 600 CE when he defated harshavardhana from conquering Indian subcontinental regions south of vindhyas).

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Jul 2014 02:41

Instead of ration cards you are going to get Telangana Citizen Cards

KCR decides to issue Citizen Cards for Telangana people - Tv5

Telangana government decided to introduce Telangana citizern cards soon. These cards would be utilized for all the welfare schemes. Telangana chief minister K.Chandra Sekhara Rao today held a review meeting in APARD, with the concerned officials and ministers. It was decided that new Ration cards would be distributed between Vijaya Dashami and Deewali. KCR ordered that survey should done on every household, to know the economical and social status of the families of Telangana.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jul 2014 03:55

^^

LOL KCR and family thinks they are ruling a small kingdom of their own. so when are we getting the Telangana flag ?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Jul 2014 03:58

Muppalla wrote:Instead of ration cards you are going to get Telangana Citizen Cards

KCR decides to issue Citizen Cards for Telangana people - Tv5

Telangana government decided to introduce Telangana citizern cards soon. These cards would be utilized for all the welfare schemes. Telangana chief minister K.Chandra Sekhara Rao today held a review meeting in APARD, with the concerned officials and ministers. It was decided that new Ration cards would be distributed between Vijaya Dashami and Deewali. KCR ordered that survey should done on every household, to know the economical and social status of the families of Telangana.

So those who can't produce 1956 certificates to prove they are PURE Telangana people are rendered stateless.

Good job Indian government!!!

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Jul 2014 04:19

matrimc wrote:Narayan Rao, ShyamSP garlu:

You keep saying that the etymology of the word "Telangana" is from persian "telugu khana". Is it possible that it could be from "telugu nADu"? After all we have a geographic brahmin grouping called "telagANyulu" which is from Pulaksehin II of chaLukya time (ca. 600 CE when he defated harshavardhana from conquering Indian subcontinental regions south of vindhyas).

Trilinga, Telanga, Telungu, Telanagu, Tenugu, Telugu are all same. Telugu is corrupt word of Trilinga.

Telangana is however Telanga + Khana as Muslim used it first.

Some Khanas in Hyderbad for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badshahi_Ashurkhana - "Ashurkhana has two areas like the Niyaz Khana (offering place) and Naqaar Khana (drums place)"
Azam Dawa khana Unani Clinic is a Ayurveda Clinic in Charminar, Hyderabad.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 25 Jul 2014 04:24

Potana was from Warangal. So he will stay back. Srinadha is supposed to be his BIL but he could be from Rayalaseema, that would be a problem.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jul 2014 04:26

ShyamSP wrote:Some Khanas in Hyderbad for example:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badshahi_Ashurkhana - "Ashurkhana has two areas like the Niyaz Khana (offering place) and Naqaar Khana (drums place)"
Azam Dawa khana Unani Clinic is a Ayurveda Clinic in Charminar, Hyderabad.

One can also add Balkhana (balcony) which is widely used in Telangana, Gymkhana (as in Gymkhana grounds) etc. The earliest usage of telangana i beleive was during malik maqbul ( a Hindu general of Kakatiya kingdom who was defeated and converted to Islam and changed sides) times when he was called khan i jahan maqbul tilangani.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jul 2014 04:32

RamaY wrote:Potana was from Warangal. So he will stay back. Srinadha is supposed to be his BIL but he could be from Rayalaseema, that would be a problem.

lol but Potana is a traitor who wrote Andhra mahabhavatam. Will that not be a problem ?

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Jul 2014 04:54

In vidarbha region os mahArAshTra there is a family name called "telang" which probably is short form of "telangANya". I am prposing that as a scientific theory based on linguistic morphology which does not violate phonological constraints. I have two objections to your hypothesis (unless you are stating it as an axiom)

1. First case is that the root is "trilinga khAna". This can't be because why would they use one samskrita word and another arabic word? These two would not fuse together according to pANini's word formation rules. If "khana" is a persian word, then we should have no problem as poersian is simply a dialect of samskritam.

2. This case is that the word came from "telangANya khana". If so there are two objections - phonological constraints will make the fused word sound like "telangAnqhuAna" going to "telanQHUAna" or the newly introduced suffix is dropped after sometime reverting back to the original "telangANYa" which then puts us back to the original word. So a tree fell in the forest. Was there a big thump or not?

I am proposing an alternate scientific theory which is that "telangANa" is phonological simplification of "telangyANYA". You can easily falsify my theory by showing that Muslim rulers did not take the word "telangANya" in tow ways - "telangANya" post-dates muslim conquest or "khAna" does not belong to Indo-Persian language family and pre-dates pANini's 3200+ morphologcal rules proposed in "ashTHAdhyAyi". One thing we do know though which is that pANini pre-dates Islam/muslim conquest of bhArata.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 25 Jul 2014 05:20

matrimc wrote:In vidarbha region os mahArAshTra there is a family name called "telang" which probably is short form of "telangANya". I am prposing that as a scientific theory based on linguistic morphology which does not violate phonological constraints. I have two objections to your hypothesis (unless you are stating it as an axiom)

1. First case is that the root is "trilinga khAna". This can't be because why would they use one samskrita word and another arabic word? These two would not fuse together according to pANini's word formation rules. If "khana" is a persian word, then we should have no problem as poersian is simply a dialect of samskritam.

2. This case is that the word came from "telangANya khana". If so there are two objections - phonological constraints will make the fused word sound like "telangAnqhuAna" going to "telanQHUAna" or the newly introduced suffix is dropped after sometime reverting back to the original "telangANYa" which then puts us back to the original word. So a tree fell in the forest. Was there a big thump or not?

I am proposing an alternate scientific theory which is that "telangANa" is phonological simplification of "telangyANYA". You can easily falsify my theory by showing that Muslim rulers did not take the word "telangANya" in tow ways - "telangANya" post-dates muslim conquest or "khAna" does not belong to Indo-Persian language family and pre-dates pANini's 3200+ morphologcal rules proposed in "ashTHAdhyAyi". One thing we do know though which is that pANini pre-dates Islam/muslim conquest of bhArata.

By the time Muslims were here Trilinga was not there but word Telungu/Telangu were established word.

Telanganya/Telangaynulu you're refering may be "Telanga Anyulu", probabaly refering to others/non-natives from Telangu lands. Telanganya is not language to add Khana to it.

Tamil refers Telugu as Telungu keeping old usage as migrations into Tamil country have been for at least more than than 1000 years. http://wikimapia.org/14215738/Telungupalayam

Khana may be Indo-persian. But in the period of Muslim rule we're talking about, Khana is persian word (which doesn't mean it is Arabic-person word. It could be Avesta word). It was in line with how Shahis named other places when they expanded from Golconda.

By the way Muslim usage of Telangana included Ceded and Circar areas not just current Telangana state.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Jul 2014 06:24

"Telangana included Ceded and Circar" that is good news. It would be great if AP cedes them to telangANa. I wouldn't object. Would you?

Nevertheless, my thesis is not falsified by you yet. I have other theories to propose but will wait. One theory at a time.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Jul 2014 06:26

80% hindu in telangana is wrong, stats wise it is 86% hindu, making it overwhelmingly hindu statistically. But if the mindset is that of a paki lover, then even 96% will not help.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Jul 2014 07:04

One election result does not mean 80% people supported division. Implotion of mafia, TDP plus BJP stupidity etc is the reason for TRS win. Further in June Panchayath election TRS won only 2 districts. Does that mean in June there is no support? While there is no doubt there is significant support for the division, we need to look it in the contest of the decade long lies with no scope for others to even to speak.

Division is done to benifit MQ but mafia was tought serious lesson by Telugu people. Now the Indic forces face Jagan criminal EJ gang as major problem in Telugu lands. I seriously doubt TRS can be a long term party.

Telangana is a persian word for the Telugu areas in Hyderabad sultanite. Search for any kind of arguments to make it Indic word may not result positive results.

AP fellows still have some attachment to Hyderabad. Just like Paki born "Indians" feeling for Paki land. This has to go. Breaking up of statues will help that process and teach a lesson for AP fellows.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Jul 2014 09:01

KCR is temporary. Hopefully CBN/TDP/BJP will capture TG come 2019 (or before). Why are people still obsessing with division? It matters little so does that kavita MP who was in IT in massa. Let that family make a few roopayalu and go live in Dubai/emirates. People like Modi/CBN (a properly chastised one though) are who are needed for India not jaya nor mamata who are narcissistic and attention seeking.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 25 Jul 2014 10:15

KCR maybe a long term phenomenon stitching up alliance with Congress and Islam pasand parties for a long time to come. By the time he is gone, Telangana might be another Kerala or Bengal of India.
In 5 years, CBN/TDP will be party of AP only and congress will end up allying itself with KCR.
The only hope is BJP capturing power which is highly unlikely atleast in near future.

BTW are the people of T state still to be referred as Telgus or something else ?

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 25 Jul 2014 10:39

^ As far as I'm concerned lot of scare mongering is going on here. He's not doing things that haven't done by previous governments (Congis or TDP). Urdu has been declared second official language long before KCR was CM. Charminar replica was given as a gift to the guests at official functions. Chaminar was heavily marketed as a tourist destination. So it is disingenuous to not talk about Kakatiya Kala Toranam and amplify Charminar symbol and tout that as Nizam pasand.
And if we are asking people for patience regarding Modi, why not wait at least a year to measure his performance ?
And what happened to riots and violence that was supposed to happen, once Telangana is formed ? Now that scare mongering has bitten the dust, another thing is being brought up.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 25 Jul 2014 10:57

Yvijay garu, no Indian serving MP ever said Kashmir & Telangana were forcefully annexed by Indian Union.

bahdada · Post by **bahdada** » 25 Jul 2014 14:00

VikasRaina wrote:
BTW are the people of T state still to be referred as Telgus or something else ?

Maybe once they adopt Nastaʿlīq script for Telugu and eventually do away with it completely. This isn't as outlandish a possibility by the way things are going.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 25 Jul 2014 15:10

VikasRaina wrote:BTW are the people of T state still to be referred as Telgus or something else ?

Guns.
Gun = TuPaki in Telugu.
Just kidding.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Jul 2014 15:13

Gun - Tu-Paki

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Jul 2014 18:06

Apologies if posted earlier, because its from Jan, 2014. Here Harish Rao, nephew of KCR using words like SOB and abusing a constable thinking that he is from Andhra. Definitely he has feudalistic mentality.

SrinivasK · Post by **SrinivasK** » 25 Jul 2014 19:04

AP government should put statues on the Krishna barrage or near Vizag beach, of leaders/freedom fighters/poets belonging to not just Andhra and Telangana, but to whole of India.

Maybe wishful thinking - but, people need to be reminded that the idea of belonging to India is sweeter than the idea that they belong to X group/region.

There is a definite need for people to be reminded of their own culture so the cultural creativity is not lost but not at the cost of divisive mindset to the benefit of few (politicians). Government can promote cultural activities and NGOs with similar interests to achieve the cultural pride without undermining national pride.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 25 Jul 2014 20:48

SrinivasK: good post. The problem is TDP was founded on the principle of telugu pride. It was needed due to the Ganga jamuni culture and ND becoming too powerful. Now there us no reason and if CBN has any sense he will merge TDP into BJP lock stock and barrel. That is good for AP, TG, and India. By the way the same formula can be followed for UP, TN, MH, GJ, RS. These are all too big.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Jul 2014 21:51

^^What's CBN's incentive to merge TD with lotus? IHO, only if CBN is offered unhindered leadership of merged entity will he even consider the idea. No?

SrinivasK · Post by **SrinivasK** » 25 Jul 2014 22:34

CBN asked and took help from Pavan and allied with BJP in 2014 because he knew he couldn't pull it off alone. Even after that blitz and with all the -ve publicity for Jagan, Jagan still got 60 assembly seats.

As incumbent, his popularity must take some dent after 5 years. Unless he actually delivers some of the rhetoric he promised during campaign about developing the state combined with tightening Jagan's finances, he continues to require help from Pavan/BJP in 2019 as well.

In addition, if he is lobbying to get special support from the centre for AP, BJP would ask for a bigger role in the partnership in 2019 than what they got in 2014.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 25 Jul 2014 23:59

Before CBN can merge with BJP, one needs to find out if BJP itself is up for the task ? The answer is no. Having a BJP name is not enough. One needs to look at capability and political will as well. AP BJP or T-BJP lack both currently with T-BJP being even worse with Kishen Reddy at the helm.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Jul 2014 00:16

Hari Seldon wrote:^^What's CBN's incentive to merge TD with lotus? IHO, only if CBN is offered unhindered leadership of merged entity will he even consider the idea. No?

Yes true. He can be the leader of the BJP parliamentary contingent in 2024 and Modi will become a mentor to the party. But what I heard was that he was offered PMship back when BJP was dependent on TDP but he turned down the offer. I am not sure how much truth is there as it came from somebody who wants to ride on CBN's coat tails.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 26 Jul 2014 00:23

SrinivasK: if he delivers then he will be a hero naturally in AP and for aspirational TG folks. So he might get both states in 2019. If he is not confident of delivering, merging now with a "tenure track" to PMship in 2024 is a better strategy. Of course, in either of the cases, 2019 will be the acid test. If he fails then, all bets are off. On the other hand, even if he delivers during this term, he is going to be little stronger but not as strong as he was during NDA1 coalition. So, by merging with BJP, he will bound his losses. If he doesn't deliver, then BJP will have very little use for him and he will be done for good this time around.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 26 Jul 2014 00:24

SrinivasK wrote:CBN asked and took help from Pavan and allied with BJP in 2014 because he knew he couldn't pull it off alone. Even after that blitz and with all the -ve publicity for Jagan, Jagan still got 60 assembly seats.

As incumbent, his popularity must take some dent after 5 years. Unless he actually delivers some of the rhetoric he promised during campaign about developing the state combined with tightening Jagan's finances, he continues to require help from Pavan/BJP in 2019 as well.

In addition, if he is lobbying to get special support from the centre for AP, BJP would ask for a bigger role in the partnership in 2019 than what they got in 2014.

The only way for TDP at the state level to survive long term is to decimate jagan now when his chips are down. Jail him, stop his funding, do whatever it takes, poach his mla's. Same story for BJP at the center, they should do the same to congress all over the country and jail the corrupt queen and her family.

bhavani · Post by **bhavani** » 26 Jul 2014 01:14

Muppalla wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:How many generations did it take for T-folks to forget their own history and brag about Independent state ? Just one. In one generation, Nizam is back in flavor and all sins forgiven.
What is Next ... Sardar Patel's illegal occupation of Nizam's country and how KCR and his ilk were smelling like roses during that period.
That is already started. KCR's daughter and LS MP Kavitha made that statement. The Roses part will start too. At this time it is only on Twitter but very soon will be in the Government. If the government lasts, I won't be surprised to see Kasim R as new Gandhi of TG state.

I am loving this show.

Hi Vikas Raina Saheb,

KCR's daughter equated Telangana with Andhra and She also spoke that India should give away most of Kashmir. This was highly publicized in the pakistani Media but not much by Indian media

http://deccan-journal.com/content/telan ... -k-kavitha#

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 26 Jul 2014 03:04

Rony wrote:Before CBN can merge with BJP, one needs to find out if BJP itself is up for the task ? The answer is no. Having a BJP name is not enough. One needs to look at capability and political will as well. AP BJP or T-BJP lack both currently with T-BJP being even worse with Kishen Reddy at the helm.

+101

T-BJP is utter failure. They achieved nothing despite whole drama on T for long time. It is not going to gain even next time even if Kishen Reddy is replaced. They don't have anything more than Modi this and Modi that to show.

Seemandhra-BJP gained something because of TDP. If there is no alliance with BJP, seats BJP won would have been TDP's and BJP vote share would have been 0.1% or less.

INC and BJP are both out of Seemandhra. BJP needs TDP more than TDP needs BJP there.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 26 Jul 2014 03:17

muraliravi wrote: The only way for TDP at the state level to survive long term is to decimate jagan now when his chips are down. Jail him, stop his funding, do whatever it takes, poach his mla's. Same story for BJP at the center, they should do the same to congress all over the country and jail the corrupt queen and her family.

We may not be seeing on the surface, CBN seems to using same strategy as he used during elections - string of pearls approach. Then it was getting leaders around Kadapa to restrict YSRC to one district. Now also he is slowly YSRC dismantling monetary and people power structures - Red-sandlewood smuggling for example.

Jailing him would be beneficial to Jagan only given stupid CBI and court systems. Destroying power is what is needed first.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 26 Jul 2014 04:05

matrimc wrote:SrinivasK: if he delivers then he will be a hero naturally in AP and for aspirational TG folks. So he might get both states in 2019. If he is not confident of delivering, merging now with a "tenure track" to PMship in 2024 is a better strategy. Of course, in either of the cases, 2019 will be the acid test. If he fails then, all bets are off. On the other hand, even if he delivers during this term, he is going to be little stronger but not as strong as he was during NDA1 coalition. So, by merging with BJP, he will bound his losses. If he doesn't deliver, then BJP will have very little use for him and he will be done for good this time around.

It is good if BJP achieves something in T for TDP to consider more than alliance. At the same time BJP has to show it did something for Seemandhra also for TDP to consider. So far all it is doing is zilch.

BJP itself is doubtful in 2019 if UP is taken out and there are no new avenues to gain. TDP is in better position for 2019 at least in Seemandhra and still has enough strength to come back in Telangana if TRS goofs up.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 26 Jul 2014 18:01

Inside story of KCR destroying Nagarjuana's buildings

1. Some actor Muali Mohan long ago bought 600 acres in Hyderabad cheaply, developed and sold it to people like Nagarjuna.

2. KCR on becoming CM asked Murli Mohan for 6 acres so that he, his son and daughter can build bungalows.

3. Murli Mohan did not respond positively

4. KCR asked Nagarjuna who said he only bought some of the land from Murli Mohan and he can't force the society to give 6 acres.

5. Boom! The scumbag KCR and Kavitha wanted to show their muscle power.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Jul 2014 16:11

Dumb whole TRS leader's uvacha - We are not Indian. India invaded and occupied us. We agreed to be part of India. What happened these shitty morons? Are these scumbags elected to provide some governance to these ******** think now that they are elected, they can fight for another country.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 27 Jul 2014 16:22

^^^^ I always had this feeling that the Telangana campaign is being funded by shady handlers, such as the US embassy and the church, and they are using assets in the Cong to make the state a reality. My fears are coming true. Looks like the idea of Whites is to trigger demands for secession in every Indian state for eventual Balkanization of the country, which has long been the wet dream of Whites.

Never before in the history of India have I seen so much social turmoil in every area. Some larger force is at play to light these fires everywhere. One hint is that America has stationed in India its second largest diplomatic corps in the world and they opened an embassy in Hyderabad few years ago, bypassing Banglaore. The church has also been specially focussed on Andhra since Sonia came into power. And lo and behold, we have Telangana as a reality with demands for secession. Looks like CIA-Church nexus at work.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 27 Jul 2014 18:49

Vivek garu,
That news was 1 year old. Please dont bring it up now.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Jul 2014 19:15

TKiran wrote:Vivek garu,
That news was 1 year old. Please dont bring it up now.

Why not,sir??

Has it lost it's relevance now??

aunty kavita was the one who triggered it again.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 27 Jul 2014 19:45

Actually i have been chronologically following the entire Telangana drama to connect the dots and analyze the entire episode. This kind of information actually gets registered in my mind and kinda confuses my brain. Otherwise i am as much worried about the situation as u guys are. No disagreements. Thanks.

Chetak gaaru, could u analyze why that lowly life Kavita IT Masters from massa who has great difficulty in numbers(read the interview she admits herself in the interview) could say something about strategic matters related to indian union, who are her advisors? No Indian legislative leader in the last 65 Years talked about the territorial integrity of india in such blatant words, and I did not see any reaction from the so called nationalistic govt. Representitive condemning her talk. Clearly she should have been retorted officially so that she would think 1000 times before taking advise from her 'advisors'. This secession talk should be nipped in the bud. How did she get so much of 'confidence' that she can make such claims at national level?

SrinivasK · Post by **SrinivasK** » 27 Jul 2014 21:24

The question now for us is why is TRS trying so hard to impress upon people that Telangana was not automatically part of Bharat and it was forced to be? What would be the advantage of such a strategy?

Is it possible the recent alliance with MIM has anything to do with it? Owaisi family has a history of anti Indian statements and provocation and they routinely get away with it.

It appears they have a long term hidden agenda which will be revealed at an opportune time. Fighting for a separate country is not realistic and they know that. Maybe they are trying to get funding from external sources and attracting them with these type of statements; or is there some kind of political advantage to this psyops?