Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

[anupmisra]

Imran Khan.. is now demanding......What a country...army is upping the ante...Maulanas, what's your reading of the situation?

Been there, seen that (many, many times before). Pakis are all full of hot air and their so called leaders - all bark and no bite. In two words - roadside tamasha.

All these show stoppers are for the benefit of the western press and to egg the army on into once again making their favorite move - martial law, martialaw! Got to wait and see if Raheel al Sharief will make that fatal blunder.

Watch this space.

[SSridhar]

Partha, here is my take.

In the past, both Benazir & Nawaz, when they were sitting in the opposition, had pleaded with the Army to take over the country from the corrupt ruler. Both had trampled upon the judiciary, may be Nawaz did it in a very crude way. But, the effect was the same. So, it is amusing to me always to read when PPP & PML take a 'holier than thou' attitude and praise the virtues of democracy and independence of the judiciary. All political leaders operate along the same lines. An already powerful Army is always smug in the fact that it has the dossier of all these people in its hands, a la Edgar Hoover.

Internationally, the Americans, for all their fake concern for democracy and human rights, always supported a military coup in Pakistan. The TSPA is smug in that fact too. The Americans have all the more need for the Pakistani Army now. It doesn't need the politicians. So, the TSPA is assured of American support, save for some fake sabre rattling initially.

Nawaz knows that the situation is getting out of control. He is desperately seeking support from others. China is neutral, as always. It will do business with anybody. Hence, some conciliatory words from Nawaz about India. He is clutching at straws here. The TSPA is trying to put Nawaz in a corner by provoking anger in India through its ceasefire violations along the border. Of course, we know that Nawaz is merely trying to evoke sympathy in India and that he is as dangerous as anybody else from Pakistan.

If the 'bad Taliban' make a few effective strikes, then the TSPA and the entire opposition can cite various reasons as excuses and pave the way for an Army coup. Otherwise, TuQ & Imran Khan have to create more chaos. {however, they do not seem to be handling their ranks carefully and there is a danger of the tired crowd dissipating if the struggle is prolonged} The murder charge against Nawaz could come handy later. The Army has had enough from Nawaz, whether it is in handling NWA or Musharraf etc. Will Musharraf have the last laugh?

In this unstable and dangerous situation, why are we resuming the composite dialogue? Foolish to do so unless we have a Chankian mind in demonstrating to the world community (read the USA) of our sincerity and putting the ball in Pakistan's court.

[anupmisra]

While we wait for Immy's revo-ablution to happen, here's the reaction of a renowned paki motormama when she heard her boss declare himself as the next prime minister.

[anupmisra]

Belay that previous D'immy order. Now its 8:00 PM. Imran promises game-changing announcement at 8pm

I wonder what it could be?

[AbhiJ]

Taller and Fairer Al-even Bakis H&D pierced by 10 Kuffars

Games-bound Indian football team, reduced to 10 men for the last 20 minutes, snatched a 1-0 win against visiting Pakistan in the first of the two friendlies here Sunday.

4 Fathers Playing?

Pakistan showed some urgency in the second-half that they began strongly and nearly scored within four minutes as Saddam Hussain lobbed to skipper Kalimullah whose attempt was well saved by a diving custodian Amrinder.

[shiv]

While we wait for Immy's revo-ablution to happen, here's the reaction of a renowned paki motormama when she heard her boss declare himself as the next prime minister.

http://i58.tinypic.com/16iibt.jpg

You should be more careful. You can get booked under POTA for this

[SSridhar]

What has happened at 8 PM? It is about 15 mins past that deadline but the world has not yet come to a stop.

[Peregrine]

Capital outflow recorded at $478.56bn during last 5 years

ISLAMABAD: The registered flight of capital from the country during the last five years (2009-14) is $478.56 billion with the approval of State Bank of Pakistan and Economic Coordination Committee of the Cabinet.

Peregrine ji, I doubt this figure of USD 478 B. They don't have that much money to go out of Pakistan. What, their total reserves is about 9B USD? A couple of years back, it came to as low as USD 2B or so. How could the State Bank of Pakistan allow those hundreds of billions of USD to flow out of the Land of Honey & Milk? I mean, from where will they get the hard cash? Unless of course they FUCD (I mean, printed Fake US Currency Denominations) just like printing FICN. I am sorry if that acronym does not fit in a family forum like BRf, but, as you know, we always have this danger of double entendre with STFUP.

SSridhar Ji :

Pakistani Economic Figure (like all otehr figures) - be they in respect if its Forex Reserves - are an excercise in self-deception (No non-Baki believes it) just as the Extracts of the Economical Data which I have sent you earlier.

Cheers

[Ramesh]

Apparently the Wazir-e-Azam in waiting has declared a tax holiday for mango abduls.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1125908/day-4- ... m#comments

2014-08-17 20:43:51
Crowd jubilant over saying no to taxes

"Don't pay taxes...don't pay electricity bills...don't pay GST till Nawaz resigns!" Imran chants, with the crowd cheering on.

"Build your resolve and ensure this setup cannot continue," the PTI Chairman says, having to pause due to the cacophony.

[shiv]

What is 2% less than a very low number? That is the percentage of Pakis who pay tax. That is the degree of game changing that Im the Dim's idea will achieve.

[AbhiJ]

What has happened at 8 PM? It is about 15 mins past that deadline but the world has not yet come to a stop.

Apparently postponed by 2 days:

https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/ ... 1238577152

Imran Khan wants to give two days, but crowd going crazy and saying we want to go now

Alternatively, Pathans warning to Pakjabis:

https://twitter.com/dr_zami/status/501037089580802050

In my wild guess 10k Pathans are here &I swear If Ik allowed them to move into red zone, they would have toppled PM house.

[Anujan]

Disappointed so far.

Apparently the police have set up huge shipping containers blocking off the "red zone" (the place with all gobermint offices) and ... listen to this, lubed it with oil to prevent people climbing over (why not vaseline hain ji?)

Crowds apparently want to go and ransack everything (nobody should deny the pious their right to loot & ransack), maybe we should start calling them "tribal raiders".

But biggest disappointment is that so far nobody has made a move. The crowds havent ransacked anything, the TFTAs havent shot anyone.

[ArmenT]

Disappointed so far.

Apparently the police have set up huge shipping containers blocking off the "red zone" (the place with all gobermint offices) and ... listen to this, lubed it with oil to prevent people climbing over (why not vaseline hain ji?)

What are they going to do if some abdul decides to light the containers?

[Gagan]

Lies - Don't you know Pakis have already planned how to defeat the SDRE army in the next war!
This is an extract from their leaked plans :

OK now, fess up, which one of you made this video?
No way this was made by a Paki, there is too much green dream even for Paki standards.
400% SDRE piece of work this one.

[Gagan]

What has happened at 8 PM? It is about 15 mins past that deadline but the world has not yet come to a stop.

Sridhar ji
What happened at 8 PM was this...

Pee Paa ke sab fit !

[Prem]

While we wait for Immy's revo-ablution to happen, here's the reaction of a renowned paki motormama when she heard her boss declare himself as the next prime minister. http://i58.tinypic.com/16iibt.jpg

You should be more careful. You can get booked under POTA for this

Revolution & Revulsion combo of Al Dombo With La Bombo. MadHam is Revlon Model for Piggheim Upon Indus.

[Anindya]

Here we go again....bending over backwards to help killers of Indians...

India in advanced talks for gas export to Pakistan

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley in his budget speech last month did not mention the bit on concession in gas exports to Pakistan, but included it in the relevant documents.

"Exemption from basic customs duty is being granted on re-gasified LNG (liquefied natural gas) for supply to Pakistan," said the relevant section pertaining to the amendments in the Customs Act.

The basic customs duty stood at 5 percent before.

India, on its part, has sought sovereign payment guarantees...

Lest we forget - from Aug 16
2 BSF personnel killed in militant attack outside IAF airfield in J&K

[Peregrine]

Here we go again....bending over backwards to help killers of Indians...

India in advanced talks for gas export to Pakistan

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley in his budget speech last month did not mention the bit on concession in gas exports to Pakistan, but included it in the relevant documents.

"Exemption from basic customs duty is being granted on re-gasified LNG (liquefied natural gas) for supply to Pakistan," said the relevant section pertaining to the amendments in the Customs Act.

The basic customs duty stood at 5 percent before.

India, on its part, has sought sovereign payment guarantees...

Lest we forget - from Aug 16
2 BSF personnel killed in militant attack outside IAF airfield in J&K

Anindya Ji :

Pakistan is reluctant to give "Sovereign Guarantees" for Payment. Even if they do Pakistani "Sovereign Guarantees" are not worth the paper they are written on.

Cheers

[Peregrine]

Water dispute: Clash between two groups near Punjab-Balochistan border kills seven

RAJANPUR: Seven people were killed while several others were injured over a water dispute between two groups near the Punjab-Balochistan border on Saturday, Express News reported.

The two groups, belonging to the Bugti tribe, opened fire at each other over a dispute regarding a reservoir of rain water.

The clash came to an end after local authorities and tribal leaders intervened and the conflict is reportedly being resolved.

Cheers

[Anindya]

Peregrine

what exactly does a sovereign payment guarantee with Pakistan really mean?

[Peregrine]

Peregrine

what exactly does a sovereign payment guarantee with Pakistan really mean?

Anindya Ji :

A Sovereign Payment Guarantee is a Government's Guarantee that an obligation will be fulfilled if the primary obligor (say "Sui Gas") defaults.

Note : The supply of Indian re-gasified LNG - I presume - will be by GAIL and the Receiver will be, say, Sui Gas. The Pakistani Government's Sovereign Payment Guarantee will may it obligatory for the Pakistan Government to pay for the Gas received - in this case "Sui Gas" - should Sui Gas is not able to or refuses to pay for the Gas received.

However, I doubt if the Pakistan Government will meet its obligation and as such to protect itself GAIL will have to ask, in addition, for an Irrevocable Bank Guarantee issued by a Prime London or New York Bank.

If there is no Irrevocable Bank Guarantee then the matter will go into Arbitration and you, I and the whole World know that it will take ages to settle.

Cheers

[Prem]

Pakistan’s Wretched of the Earth
Pakistan IsIsalm

. While all religious minorities in Pakistan have been under attack, Ahmadis are the worst affected. I will argue that this is because the very entity of followers of this community has been criminalised in Pakistan.It has been exactly 40 years since Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims by the National Assembly of Pakistan. The proceedings of the debate, which took place in the August-September of 1974, have now been officially declassified and can be accessed online (although the staff of the National Assembly continues to maintain that this record was destroyed by fire during the 1990s). These proceedings comprise 21 volumes with over 3,000 pages. I am leaving out the details of the extensive debate, which took place in the assembly and jump to the concluding speech made by the attorney general on September 6-7. Yahya Bakhtiyar, the then attorney general, did not just give theological reasons for declaring Ahmadis non-Muslims; he also furnished arguments, which, in a nuanced way, were suggestive of the inherent disloyalty of Ahmadis towards the state.
He said: “Then, Sir, when we are happy, they are not happy; when we are unhappy, they are happy. This is what the evidence has shown. We created a separate state, with the help of God, because we thought and felt like one man that we shall remain together because we think and feel in the same manner; there is a subjective psychological feeling of belonging to one another, whether we are Baloch or Pathans or Sindhis or Punjabis, and for this reason, we feel and think very differently from them.”
The top lawyer’s referral to the disparate ethnic groups of Pakistan underlay his anxiety to reaffirm the unified basis of the political community sought through religion –- an anxiety which had become deeper in the wake of the events of 1971. It can be inferred from Bakhtiyar’s estimation that the Ahmadis could not be accommodated within the body politic of the nation because they did not share any of the constituents of nation-building, such as a common religion, psychological make-up or similar feelings of grief and pleasure. In the reconstitutive Pakistani identity during the post-1971 period, the need for cementing national cohesion through religion was even more pronounced.
In other words, if the organic unity of religion was being undermined by Ahmadi doctrines, it also amounted to subverting the unity of the Pakistani state on their part. It is then not surprising that Ahmadis are routinely described as traitors and disloyal towards Pakistan. The day following the Gujranwala violence, a local newspaper carried a column by the ‘father of the atom bomb’ — Abdul Qadeer Khan — who accused Professor Abdus Salam of spying for the US and divulging secrets about Pakistan’s nuclear programme.I now turn to a second aspect of the criminalisation of Ahmadis in Pakistan. An ordinance was passed by General Ziaul Haq, in 1984, which barred the Ahmadis from ‘posing’ as Muslims or making use of repertoires of symbols or practices identifiable with Islam and Muslims. It is obvious that such an open-ended and vague piece of ‘law’ was going to create a number of problems for Ahmadis. A number of lawsuits were filed by them on different occasions against this ordinance. It resulted in the famous “Coca-Cola judgment”, in which the court invoked copyright laws to justify the ban on Ahmadis from performing Islamic practices. It said that just like the Coca-Cola company had a right to manufacture Coca-Cola, in similar vein, only Muslims had the right to practise Islam. In another judgment, every Ahmadi was declared a potential blasphemer. Trickily, Ahmadis have been barred from Islam but ‘Ahmadi beliefs’ as such are not banned in Pakistan nor are Ahmadis disallowed to believe in them as long as they do not propagate it with the tag of Islam attached to it.In this way, every single Ahmadi in Pakistan has been criminalised as a traitor and blasphemer. The minimum punishment in Pakistan for both these offences is death. Violence against them, hence, does not remain a criminal act anymore. It amounts to killing a traitor or a blasphemer.After the second amendment had been passed, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto addressed the National Assembly and described the unanimous decision of the assembly to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims as the “final solution” of the “90-year-old [Ahmadi] problem”. Whether this was a Freudian slip or not, but the elder Bhutto’s inappropriate choice of words for Pakistan’s Ahmadis have come perilously close to bearing resemblance with the situation faced by the Jews of Nazi Germany.

[Anindya]

Looks like the Pakis want to precipitate an event....

Pakistan Targets 20 BSF Posts in Spurt in Border Attacks Before Key Talks

and of course the chutzpah never stops...
Pak Envoy Reaches Out to J&K Separatists Ahead of Foreign Secretary Meet, Sparks Off Controversy

[Gagan]

One thing I wonder about always...
The delay in artillery modernization, was it a CBM with the Pak Fauj by GOI?

That could explain why Pak Fauj goes crazy when non congressis come to power. Those CBMs go flying out of the window.
So the Pakistani fauj creates a few minor, and then an ever escalating series of incidents in J&K and then other states of India until GOI reaches some arrangement with them via Track II

I wonder how much of this is true? Because it sure explains part of the behaviour of the pak fauj and GOIs

[partha]

Thanks SSji & anupmisraji. Looks like army is behind the murder charge which will be used to harass badmash from time to time.

Yaaawn.quiz time. Why is Taliban Khan frequently leaving the protest site to visit his Isloo mansion?

1. Not comfortable with roadside Pakistan.
2. Secret talks with Shariff (N).
3. Instructions from Shariff (R).
4. To smoke whatever he has been smoking these past few years.
5. All of the above.

[anupmisra]

Why is Taliban Khan frequently leaving the protest site to visit his Isloo mansion?

1. To visit his private Pakistan (you know, pee in "piss" without the probing eyes of his less than fortunate volunteers who have to pee in the open)

[anupmisra]

D'Immy, a Gandhian? Calls for 'Civil Disobedience Movement'.

Imran Khan today declared a "civil disobedience movement" against the Nawaz Sharif-led government, saying "the country's future is bleak under the rule of businessmen"

I have called for the civil disobedience movement for you, not for myself. We will not pay taxes, electricity or gas bills"

...while giving a speech which he described as the most important of his political career

But unlike the Mahatma, D'Immy veered off the spirit of the movement by declaring:

Mr Khan said he will not be able to hold back his supporters if his demands are not met within two days

"I assure you that when I finish my speech, and if you do what I ask you to, then no one can stop a naya Pakistan from being made."

"We will celebrate independence for two days over here"

After hearing D'Immy's ground breaking, earth shattering, paradigm shifting speech, all gathered pakis became delirious and ran around in circles to drumbeats. Mothers named their unborn kids "D'Immy". Oaths were taken that "from now on, no paki will pay tax, fly in business class or buy a Mercedes as his second and third car or eat in Michelin star restaurants".

Take that, you Badmaash-Sharief.

[anupmisra]

And, just when you thought that this man has become irrelevant, Hussain jumps into the tar pit with this doozer:

Altaf Hussain slams Imran Khan over civil disobedience call

“People already don’t pay electricity bills as they get the power supply through Kunda,” Altaf Hussain said adding as to what damage Imran Khan was inflicting to the government through his announcement.

“Khan could have done so earlier, why did he need spending nation’s money, time and energy for many days,” he said.

[kancha]

From Twitter
@amishra77
Foreign Secy level talks with Pakistan cancelled

[sum]

And tweet from fellow Track-2er:

SiddharthVerified account ‏@svaradarajan

A bad move! If Modi can't ignore an irrelevant meeting between Pakistan & Hurriyat, he has no stomach for diplomacy

[SSridhar]

So, the August 25 Foreign Secretaries level meeting stands cancelled by India.

The talks were a bad move initially and their cancellation is therefore welcome.

[Ramesh]

18:28 Only path for Pakistan is resolve issues through peaceful bilateral talks under Shimla Agreement & Lahore Declaration: MEA
18:22 MEA: Pak envoy's meet with Hurriyat raises questions about its sincerity: The MEA statement on the cancelled Indo-Pak secy level talks.

The MEA says: "The Pak High Commissioner's meeting with so called Hurriyat leaders undermined the constructive diplomatic arrangements made by PM Modi.

"At a time when serious initiative was taken to take bilateral ties forward, the invite to Hurriyat leaders raises questions about Pakistans sincerity.

"Our Foreign Secretary conveyed to the Pakistan High Command that Pakistans continued efforts to interfere in Indian internal affairs are unacceptable.

"Under present circumstances seems no useful purpose will be served by Foreign Secy visiting Islamabad, therefore visit stands cancelled."
http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2014/ ... pdates.htm

[SSridhar]

Excellent. It has been demonstrated that India means business even while it shows willingness to talk. It also shuts up those who questioned why the Hurriyat-Pakistan meeting is being allowed. It exposes the past practice of allowing such meetings. It draws a clear redline and conveys a clear message to Pakistan that talks are indeed 'interrupted and interruptible'.

For the next few days, Pakistan-pasand newspapers and newschannels are going to cry hoarse and MSA would be going red in his face, shaking all over and using abusive language.

[Neela]

WKKs are already out and have shown solidarity with Pakistan

https://twitter.com/svaradarajan/status ... 7818133504

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@svaradarajan
A bad move! If Modi can't ignore an irrelevant meeting between Pakistan & Hurriyat, he has no stomach for diplomacy http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-calls-off-talks-with-pakistan-after-their-envoy-s-meeting-with-kashmiri-separatists-577737?pfrom=home-lateststories …

And deservedly some very intellectual responses to SV.

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Chennaiwasi ‏@CoMuBh 47m
@svaradarajan lavada,whn packing bags to US?

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 ‏@ScorpiusMaximus 43m
@kapalik1 Both are part of that Track Thoo diplomacy @svaradarajan

[vivek.rao]

WKKs are already out and have shown solidarity with Pakistan

https://twitter.com/svaradarajan/status ... 7818133504

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@svaradarajan
A bad move! If Modi can't ignore an irrelevant meeting between Pakistan & Hurriyat, he has no stomach for diplomacy http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-calls-off-talks-with-pakistan-after-their-envoy-s-meeting-with-kashmiri-separatists-577737?pfrom=home-lateststories …

And deservedly some very intellectual responses to SV.

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Chennaiwasi ‏@CoMuBh 47m
@svaradarajan lavada,whn packing bags to US?

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 ‏@ScorpiusMaximus 43m
@kapalik1 Both are part of that Track Thoo diplomacy @svaradarajan

Jingos everywhere are not letting puke libtards get away with any thing

[Neela]

Interesting
https://twitter.com/India_MSM/status/501364051729846272

Karan thapar on his USA trip used to stay in house of pak envoy Ashraf jehangir qazi .such is cozy nexus of indian journalists with pakistan

[abhik]

X-posting from burkha thread

Till the Pakistani High Commissioner to India, Abdul Basit, decided yesterday to invite Kashmiri separatists to Delhi for "consultations". Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh phoned Mr Basit to warn that he had a choice - "talk to separatists or talk to us," recounted Syed Akbaruddin, the spokesperson for the Foreign Ministry today.

Before Calling Off Pakistan Talks, a Warning Issued Over the Phone
..

If the Paki High Commissioner met with the separatists in spite of being warned then he must be immediately be declared persona non grata.

[anupmisra]

If the Paki High Commissioner met with the separatists in spite of being warned then he must be immediately be declared persona non grata.

Is the Indian High Commissioner in 'slummabad in regular contact and consultations with the separatists in Balochistan, Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakhtunwa and Sindh?

[Gus]

He he..neela thanks for that post. Brfites are everywhere. This sort of understanding and being dismissive of slimy btards like our dude sid was unthinkable a few years ago - from general pop.

[ramana]

Anup, Call those lack luster bad Taliban as
fusool -e- yeen.

Fusool = Bekaar
Fusil = flintlock
as opposed to jihad-e- fistula with G3