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New Twist to the Marches by I'm the Dim and Frair TuQ :
The ideal way to explain this is that the local ambitions of Imran Khan and a couple of other politicians, coupled with interests of the establishment, matched the international economic ambitions of foreign powers, thereby instigating the current crisis. Imran might not even realise it, but the way with which he is being played in the hands of external actors through local mediators is startling.
What exactly is going on needs a bit of out-of-the-box thinking and a read in history. The UAE is running out of oil, Dubai is already barren. The only thing Dubai is surviving on is its strategically-placed port that still provides a hub for trade. The ‘sin’ of the new PML-N government is that it has generously opened itself up to China, which is rapidly investing and developing the country.
With an estimated 80 per cent of all the international trade being conducted with China, the first country to suffer will be the UAE. A major chunk of its port operations will be shifted to Gwadar.
Now, a country that has its entire survival on its port becoming redundant in a few years would certainly be worried. Hence, for those who understand geo- politics and economics, fracturing the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor is at the key of the ongoing demonstrations.
And interestingly, this time it’s not the US that has a problem, nor the UK or India. In fact, it’s the Arabs of UAE that have a serious cause of concern from the ongoing massive projects between China and Pakistan, and the opening up of Gwadar port.
Yes. Everyone else is to blame for jihadi tendencies of Pakistan army and its penchant for deposing anyone who doesn't respect their business and strategic interests. Before going as far as UAE the idiot should think what the effect of Nawaz encroaching on army's business interests are.
This coup tamasha is because of Nawaz not playing ball with the army, imprisoning musharraf and encroaching their turf.
He wanted to know if the military was quietly engineering the twin protest movements by cricket star-turned-politician Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, or if, perhaps, it was preparing to stage a coup.
According to a government insider with a first-hand account of the meeting, Sharif's envoys returned with good news and bad: there will be no coup, but if he wants his government to survive, from now on it will have to "share space with the army".
Even if, as seems likely, the Khan and Qadri protests eventually fizzle out due to a lack of overt support from the military, the prime minister will emerge weakened from the crisis.
The army may have saved his skin, but its price will be subservience to the generals on issues he wanted to handle himself - from the fight against the Taliban to relations with arch foe India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring, post-NATO Afghanistan.
"The biggest loser will be Nawaz, cut down to size both by puny political rivals and the powerful army," said a government minister who asked not to be named. "From this moment on, he'll always be looking over his shoulder."
"The army may have saved his skin, but its price will be subservience to the generals on issues he wanted to handle himself - from the fight against the Taliban to relations with arch foe India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring, post-NATO Afghanistan."
Looks like power without responsibilities, where was it seen before? If the terrorist army of pakis want to dictate to political masters, why should we talk to pakis? A wild guess is that track-IIers and paki lovers will use this argument (which is actually against talks) to urge even more concession for pakis while feigning helplessness of paki puppet politicos in case of terrorism, beheadings, etc etc.
krishnan wrote:their back doors are being ripped apart it seems
“@dawn_com: Pakistan suggests urgent DGMOs meeting to India after ceasefire violation | http://www.dawn.com/news/1127237/ pic.twitter.com/aHQCTECjsd” Good!
Per teetar, Indian army has more kills ? and gun power with more violations (>2times)
Meanwhile Indian govt saying -no need to read too much, leave it to defence forces to deal with these issues.
Pakis browning shalwar due to no political interference.
AOA
A scientist from Al-Azhar misinterpreted the Quran to claim that mountains were like nails holding the earth down. An Egyptian engineer found that the empty copper shells of armour-piercing ammunition used in the Arab-Israeli war were intended by Allah to destroy “djinns”. Another 1986 conference held by the Pakistan Association of Scientists and Scientific Professions was regaled with a formula by Arshad Ali Beg of the Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research to arrive at the “munafiqat” (hypocrisy) ratio of a given society.
Pakistan Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission chief Salim Mehmud tried to shine too, by making a hash of the theory of relativity by linking it with the “mairaj” (ascension) of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). Another senior nuclear scientist, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, proposed that all energy-related problems could be solved by taming the “djinns”, because they were made of fire. Many others, lured by the limelight, delivered gems of medieval gibberish in the name of Islamic science.
Pakistan’s father of the atom bomb, A.Q. Khan, wrote in the daily Jang that, in 1812, when Marathas and Rajputs attacked the state of Bhopal and the ruler could not fend off the invaders, the prime minister went to a majzub (religious person in trance) who pointed to a place where miraculously, a lot of weapons were discovered. Khan rates ghairat (honour) as a high virtue of the state. It is an unscientific concept, but he uses it to communicate with the nation. He wrote in Jang that many admired him for discussing the great national habit of ghairat (honour).
Sultan Bashiruddin, our top nuclear expert, believed he could draw electricity from a captured djinn. (For Pakistan’s needs, just one djinn would suffice.) Pakistan’s current top nuclear scientist, Samar Mubarak Mand, has revealed the same “miracle” symptom.
According to the late journalist Abbas Athar of the Daily Express, Mand told an audience that when he was in Kharan, Balochistan, in 1998, organising the nuclear test, he found that Allah had put a miracle murga (chicken) in the pot from where everyone was eating. After feeding 183 people, the murga was still crowding the pot. He had bought only five chickens. Athar Abbas thought Pakistan should have more degchis (pots) from Mand to produce endless chicken.
Anujan wrote:Immy apparently just gave a speech that people should use Hawala to transfer money to starve the government of funds . Meanwhile US treasury explains Hawla as
Abdul is a Pakistani living in New York and driving a taxi. He entered the country on a tourist visa, which has long since expired. From his job as a taxi driver, he has saved $5,000 that he wants to send to his brother, Mohammad, who is living in Karachi
partha wrote:Immy apparently just gave a speech that people should use Hawala to transfer money to starve the government of funds . Meanwhile US treasury explains Hawla as
Abdul is a Pakistani living in New York and driving a taxi. He entered the country on a tourist visa, which has long since expired. From his job as a taxi driver, he has saved $5,000 that he wants to send to his brother, Mohammad, who is living in Karachi
Not sure which is more funny here. Immy the dimmy asking people to use Hawala or the US explanation of Hawala.
Taliban Dimran Con is venting against the conspiracy of the western banking system and wants everyone to start using Islamic banking in the Islamic Republic of Bakistan. What is the problem hainji?
Partha - Definitely the US explanation! Initially, I thought it was a link to a news article and Anujan had quoted someone from the comments section. The US treasury dept guys sure do have a sense of humor! They need to update the document - 'Abdul in NYC wants to send money to his birader Imran in Bakistan'.
vishvak wrote:
Looks like power without responsibilities, where was it seen before? If the terrorist army of pakis want to dictate to political masters, why should we talk to pakis? A wild guess is that track-IIers and paki lovers will use this argument (which is actually against talks) to urge even more concession for pakis while feigning helplessness of paki puppet politicos in case of terrorism, beheadings, etc etc.
Your guess is right. Here Beekar patel whining article in a paki paper.
A report in The Indian Express captured this aspect perfectly: “Frankly, I can’t see much sense in making a meeting with the Hurriyat a touchstone for India-Pakistan relations,” analyst Ajai Sahni of the Institute for Conflict Management in New Delhi was quoted as saying, “it’s almost as if the government is saying we can live with Pakistan shooting our troops at the Line of Control, but having tea with secessionists — that’s unforgivable”.
CRamS wrote:Sad that India is cursed with such filth in its midst
Modi ji rightly termed MSM as "news traders". Several Indian media has a common theme "What is wrong in pakis having Tea with secessionists". This one from the HT link you quoted
Second, if the government is speaking the truth when it says the Hurriyat meeting — and not the ceasefire violations — scuppered the talks, that suggests a bizarre conclusion: Mr Modi can live with Pakistan shooting our soldiers on the LoC but cannot accept the high commissioner serving tea to Hurriyat!
IB should monitor Indian journalists, They are ganging up against the Indian government at the behest of ISI.
Case registered against Pakistani envoy Abdul Basit, Shabir Shah in Indian court Harami Linkami
NEW DEHLI-Treason case has been registered against Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit and freedom movement leader Shabir Ahmed Shah in an Indian court, Indian media reported Saturday.According to the Indian media the case has been registered on the orders of Allahabad CGM court. As per report, the petition had been filed by an advocate Sushil Kumar Mishra in district court stating that the Pakistani HC Abdul Basit had met Shabir Shah neglecting the Indian Government orders not to meet him which can be seen as treason. The petition said the meeting was a conspiracy against the country and demanded the court to punish Abdul Basit and Shabir Shah.
The district court CGM Nilma Singh approved the petition and ordered to register the case. The next hearing of the case scheduled on September 5 while applicant statement would be registered first, the report said.
Karan Thapar doesn't understand. Its 2014 and not 2001 when ABV was under US shadow. Given a chance too would have kicked Mushy's butt for talking to Whoriyaks.
Jhujar wrote:AS articulates India's Paki policy at 7.12
even this is tit for tat thinking. not real strategic.
look at what us and eu are doing to russ over ukraine. when we have real power we will do the same.
some things to note:
1. work on a massive effort to get the pak/malsipasand journalists thrown out of media like undee, bbc
2. the treason charge against basit is an interesting point to note. after all our courts have their own jurisdiction and pakis have to respect that.
3. link every defence/manuf/commercial deal with the "west" to some denial of service to tsp
4. work to dismantle fai type lobbies
Four key points are worth making about India’s decision to call off talks after the Pakistani high commissioner met Hurriyat. First, this might have made sense in the 1990s, when Hurriyat was powerful. Not in 2014, when it’s diminished. Now, paradoxically, it could build up Hurriyat’s image in Kashmiri eyes.
- See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/k ... dZBUr.dpuf
So, in 1990 when the rats were powerful, it would have been okay to call off talks and that would have made them weak. Now that they are weak, wouldn't calling off talks make them weaker?
If these hurrirats so much want to meet with their Paki brethern, why, don't they shift to PoK and have daily discussions over biryani and chai. Hey as a bonus, they can even get to share kebabs and roganjosh with Hafeez-e-pig.
Gen.Salim Fah-mi (aka "Slimy"):
"Good morning to you all on this glorious Sunday morning,the weather gods seem to be smiling as we enter another exciting day's play in this amazing topsy-turvy test that is taking place in the "Land of the Pure"...sorry,Puke! After yesterday's display of the two batsmen staying at the crease,taking few risks on this sticky wicket,along with the numerous pitch invasions,the side bowling led by the Sheriff spent hours late into the night reworking their strategy as to how to bowl out the two dogged batsmen.We've got the latest news from our expert commentator,Gen.Hamid Bull.Over to you Hamid!"
Gen.Bull:Thank you Gen. Fah-mi (not to be pronounced as f*ck me!).Nobody plays the ignoble game better than Pukeistan! We are the only country in the world where the game is played without using a straight bat,and it makes the game all the more unpredictable and exciting,especially for the spectators who won't know what hit them when the sh*t hits the fan,as our friends in Afghanistan have enjoyed watching the Yanquis retreating towards the pavilion,unable to handle the bouncers of the ISI and Taliban quickies! But then those jokers play only a crude ball game called "baseball",which means ,always run back to base! .
Gen.Fah-mi:....Good one Bull! Ha!Ha! How Gen.Sahib Parvez ...oops,Pervert would've loved this one.Incidentally,where is he watching the match from? He should be in the VVIP tent with a glass of scotch in his hand not confined to his luxurious home,watching the play on his ultra wide curved telly stroking his belly and his kuthas! You know its bl**dy outrageous treating such an infamous bounder like him this way....not cricket at all,not at all...pass the bottle by the way.
Gen. Bull: Slimy,the Sheriff is a cunning kutha,he has had a potential ace up his sleeve ,the Zardar of Sindh,whose ability to wriggle out of tight situations using his famous ball,the "deal-cutter",might spring a few surprises to the batsmen.The Zardar has reportedly agreed to support the Sheriff ,though he was in a sulk at him some time ago.However,the game has now changed and the Zardar who was sidelined,now looks to renew his usefulness and importance in the Puki cricketing world."Captain Khan" has however vowed to "play till the last ball".The two batsmen at the crease are very different in character though.One Qadri (aka "Cut-throat") very orthodox in style,looks like WG Grace with his long beard,with a limited range of strokes,while the flamboyant Khan has been known to play a wide range of strokes,down to fine leg,long leg,short leg,square leg,in fact the b*gger loves "playing the field" as his ex Jemima will tell you!
Gen.Fah-mi:Ha!Ha!Ha!
Gen.Bull: But you know Slimy,the outcome of any test in Pukeistan is always decided by the umpires.I wonder what our sheriff,Gen.Sharif sahib and GHQ are cooking up!
Latest rumour: Gen.Bull: I say Slimy,our chappies at the ISI have discovered Captain Khan's secret strategist and coach.He's a bl**dy Indian! That b*gger Kejriwal,sorry...Jokeri-wal! Can't you see that he's using the same outfield tactics as Jokeri-wal?
Gen.Fah-mi: Scandalous! What a chor,using bl**dy Indian tactics just like that bounder Gandhiji! But then Bull,don't you know what the inevitable outcome will be?! Certain defeat!
Gen.Bull: Shabash! Let's ring Karachi and Mr."D" and find out how the match is being fixed,so we can place out bets!
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ramana wrote:Karan Thapar doesn't understand. Its 2014 and not 2001 when ABV was under US shadow. Given a chance too would have kicked Mushy's butt for talking to Whoriyaks.
Either Karan Thapar et al are too stupid to understand the principle at stake in the decision to cancel the talks or they assume that readers are too stupid to understand the principle.
Firing across the line of control or even international border is a relatively low-level event; it is not to be ignored, but is easily dealt with at its own level.
Pakistan Ambassador meeting separatists is a serious statement that Pakistan is a representative of a rebel group inside India. If previous governments accepted it, that was a mistake due to an intellectual deficiency on their part. Thapar et al would like to trip up the reader, and maybe the BJP by saying even Vajpayee accepted it, expecting that due to some sort of personality-cult type reverence for the elder leader they would be afraid to say that Vajpayee too was the victim of intellectual deficiency in this regard. That will work to some extent in older generation Indian culture in which it is considered wrong to question elders.
Modi came to power with the blessings of younger Indians who are more accustomed to thinking for themselves instead of letting elders make all decisions for them, even though the elders may lack clear thinking or understanding of the world. So, Thapar-like utterances won't work on Modi. If the debate gets to a high-enough level, which is unlikely, then Modi has the skill to put the matter to rest with a few well-chosen words with which he will express his devotion to elders like Vajpayee but at the same time point out the need for clarity in thinking.
I understand the irritation caused by Thapar's stupidity, but perhaps it is time for us to leave off the hate, now that Modi has set the benchmark for clarity of thinking and (hopefully) execution. I think it is more effective to point out that Thapar et al are simply intellectually deficient infantile creatures, the intellectual equivalent of the Naked Emperor. A simple word or action from chaiwallah Modi is enough to reveal their bankruptcy.
You don't hate people who are demonstrably inferior and don't realize it--you need to see to it that their inferiority stands revealed and make them irrelevant and ineffective. Hatred only gives them a chance to play martyr and change the subject from their inferiority to their persecution.
Strange are the ways of Allah.
Karan Thapar was the first to use the words "sudden removal" .
Now his turn to be in the receiving end for the same words.
But we should be a little careful with our tears and it best saved for something else and not Thapar.
He is a pretentious little rat with a fake accent.
( Who in this day and age wears a bow? Somehow that rankles me more about him . Not proud about it but I have an urge to abuse him just for that )
I think all this hyperventilating and going into ideological declamations/defamations is not useful and obscures the real issues.
A simple question should be asked'what did the previous approach to Pak talks yield?'
Someone will say 'ceasefire on LOC'
So next question is 'so why didn't the ceasefire on LOC hold even when Indian govt had been compliant. If Pak backtracked, then the Indian govt should conceivably backtrack too'
That's it.
Neela wrote:Strange are the ways of Allah.
Karan Thapar was the first to use the words "sudden removal" .
Now his turn to be in the receiving end for the same words.
But we should be a little careful with our tears and it best saved for something else and not Thapar.
He is a pretentious little rat with a fake accent.
( Who in this day and age wears a bow? Somehow that rankles me more about him . Not proud about it but I have an urge to abuse him just for that )
Another thing these WKK cowards, some of whom are also traitors, either don't realize (too dumb) or feign ignorance is that TSP game plan is very obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. TSP is trying to get through fake talks what it could not on the battle field. So they want to keep up the terrorist pressure on India while engaging in talks so the bar during talks is essentially you don't give Kashmir, these attacks will continue. Their whole drama is centered on this strategy. Any self respecting Indian ought to realize this.
Karan thawed has deep connections to Paki elite. Obviously he will spout their point of view. His cousin Romila Thapar famous for being a distorian in India. Also his family hails from Lahore & therefore the punjabi pappi-jappi.
CRamS wrote:Another thing these WKK cowards, some of whom are also traitors, either don't realize (too dumb) or feign ignorance is that TSP game plan is very obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. TSP is trying to get through fake talks what it could not on the battle field. So they want to keep up the terrorist pressure on India while engaging in talks so the bar during talks is essentially you don't give Kashmir, these attacks will continue. Their whole drama is centered on this strategy. Any self respecting Indian ought to realize this.
CRamS Ji :
Why give the "Cowards" a Bad Name?
It is simple. The "India-Pakistan Jupphies and Puppies walas are actually carrying out the Instructions and Agenda of their "Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorists" Masters.
It could be Kabab and Sharab or the Pleasures of the Flesh or even Filthy Lucre - Moolah etc.
They are not doing it out of conviction that Pakistan is Morally Right. Far be it from them any such intention.
Tx. Venkat,but the latest news from Islamabad is that given the stalemate in the current test there,the generals of Puki GHQ have decided that its forces were better off bowling exploding bouncers in an Indo-Pak unofficial test! We understand that 2 of our civilians have been felled. Our fast bowlers are returning the compliment with interest.
James B wrote:Karan thawed has deep connections to Paki elite. Obviously he will spout their point of view. His cousin Romila Thapar famous for being a distorian in India. Also his family hails from Lahore & therefore the punjabi pappi-jappi.
also has oxford connections with im the dim and the late unlamented benazir and by extension that means the elite set of puki society
Talking about Karan, Rohit Vats (@kesaridhwaj) seems to be having quite an interesting conversation with a congi lady on twitter.
Those on twitter, do check it out
People's mandate stolen in 2013 elections, says ex-ECP additional secretary
ISLAMABAD: Former additional secretary of the Election commission of Pakistan Muhammad Afzal Khan has alleged that the general elections in May 2013 were rigged and that the people's mandate was ‘stolen’.
He said that former chief justices Iftikhar Chaudhry and Tassadduq Jillani were also involved in rigging the vote.
Khakis bringing in reserve proxies to make the case against badmash gobarment stronger. Looks like Khakis will not settle down for anything other than change of government. badmash will soon have the distinction of being the only PM of Pakistan to have been ousted in a coup twice. First in a direct military coup and second through a soft 'democratic' coup by the military. But who knows, if the Khakis get impatient, 111 tanks could soon be rolling towards Isloo. Shariff brothers* should resign and go to Barbaria and save their heads. It's the beheading season in Islamic world.
* btw, Raheel Shariff is also a cousin brother of badmash but military >> family.
What's happening with zarb-e-zabzab operation? These protests have taken the spotlight off from the operation. There are no more reports like "<insert a random number less than 50> militants killed in airstrikes in NW".
Probably because Khakis initially thought they would be able to hide behind Immy the dimmy and the Kanadian mullah without anyone noticing but it became very obvious to everyone soon that they were the actual drivers of the protests. So if they now compromise after demanding resignation of badmash, their H&D will be hurt and will make them look weak.
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Apparently, the Kanadian mullah tried to spread rumors that the drinking water supplied to the rally participants was poisoned. These protests are funny in so many ways. http://tribune.com.pk/story/752809/tumm ... -chlorine/
He denied Dr Tahirul Qadri’s claim that there was “poison” in the water, explaining that chlorine had a bitter taste and reiterating that chlorination was necessary for disease prevention.
partha wrote: badmash will soon have the distinction of being the only PM of Pakistan to have been ousted in a coup twice. First in a direct military coup and second through a soft 'democratic' coup by the military.
Check how his first government ended in 1993. That was also a soft coup by the military.
So it will be third time for him.
. Meanwhile US treasury explains Hawla as
They need to update the document - 'Abdul in NYC wants to send money to his birader Imran in Bakistan'.
but military >> family.