Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 05 Sep 2014 19:39

anupmisra wrote:Nuclear Pakistan’s Spies Target India—and Their Own Prime Minister

Finally there should be contingency planning between Washington and New Delhi about managing a future Indo-Pakistan crisis like the Mumbai crisis. This would be intended to create dialogue, not creat a platform to gang up on Pakistan. But in any case it would be prudent to plan for the worst.

Bruce Riedel makes some good points, but this last part above is interesting. If TSP is a terror sponsoring abomination, what is wrong with ganging up on TSP. No need to give TSP any rope to hang on to.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 05 Sep 2014 20:10

sum wrote:
AP adds: Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang sidestepped a question about the postponement, saying the visit hadn't been formally announced.
H&D intact onlee

Visit is On,Xi will do 10 minute stop in Lawhore to do shii and then host short Honey Dispensing Ceremony where he will stand while Paki leaders take Bayyat kissing his hand And taking one lick of the Tip.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 05 Sep 2014 21:59

Pak Army chief holds off generals seeking Nawaz Sharif's ouster

ISLAMABAD: Weeks of mounting anti-government protests in Pakistan had been enough to convince five of the powerful army's 11 Corps Commanders that it was time for them to step in and force embattled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to resign.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2014 22:07

abhijitm wrote:May be that's the reason why no coup so far...Dimran waiting for Army to act. Army waiting for unkil's nod and unkil not nodding.

[url=xxxhttp://www.thenews.com.pk/article-158842-US-op ... n-Pakistan]US opposes extra-constitutional change in Pakistan[/url]

In a briefing, Marie Harf, Deputy Spokesperson of the US State Department said that Nawaz Sharif is the elected Prime Minister of Pakistan and the US opposes any efforts to impose extra-constitutional change to the democratic system.

If a coup happens US cant pressure NaMo to accommodate TSP.
Hence at-least till NaMo visit to US, Badmash is safe.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 05 Sep 2014 22:09

Posting in full.

'India-Pak cricket unlikely until closure of 26/11 case'

KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board chief Shaharyar Khan doesn't see restoration of bilateral cricket ties with India until the closure of the Mumbai terror attack case in Pakistan.

Shaharyar, 80, who has been Pakistan's foreign secretary and also high commissioner to New Delhi, said the Indian people and media still had a lot of grudge against Pakistan over the Mumbai terror attacks.

"Bilateral cricket ties with India are governed by existing diplomatic relations between the two countries but what feelings the Indian people and media have towards us also plays an important role," Shaharyar told a news conference on Friday.

He was asked whether he thought that the Lahore Lions team would be able to take part in the Champions League in India and if this didn't happen would it affect the agreement between the two cricket boards to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023 under the International Cricket Council (ICC) future tours program.

"It is too early to say whether the Lahore team will go to India but the process to send them is going on. And as far as its repercussions on bilateral series is concerned I think these ties will remain affected until there is a closure of the Mumbai attack case in Pakistan," he said.

Around 164 people and over 300 persons were injured in the terrorist attack carried out by the Lashkar-e-Taiba in Mumbai.

India has blamed Pakistan for the attacks and has said it has done nothing to punish those responsible for planning the attack.

Since the Mumbai attacks there has been no full bilateral series between the two countries even after Ajmal Kasab, the lone attacker who was captured alive by the Indian authorities, was hanged in November 2012.

Pakistan did tour India for a short one-day series two years back but that has also not led to revival of regular bilateral ties and infact since than other sporting events between the two countries have been affected.

Shaharyar said he would be going to India soon to meet with Indian cricket officials and was also slated to meet them during the ICC meeting in October. "When I meet them I have a lot to discuss with them regarding restoration of bilateral ties and participation of our players in the IPL," he said.

Since the Mumbai attacks in November 2008, the Indian board had also not invited Pakistani players for the Indian Premier League.

Shaharyar was chairman of the board in 2004 when a deadlock was broken and India toured Pakistan for a full Test series after a 14-year gap.

Cheers

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 05 Sep 2014 22:11

CRamS wrote:
anupmisra wrote:Nuclear Pakistan’s Spies Target India—and Their Own Prime Minister

Finally there should be contingency planning between Washington and New Delhi about managing a future Indo-Pakistan crisis like the Mumbai crisis. This would be intended to create dialogue, not creat a platform to gang up on Pakistan. But in any case it would be prudent to plan for the worst.
Bruce Riedel makes some good points, but this last part above is interesting. If TSP is a terror sponsoring abomination, what is wrong with ganging up on TSP. No need to give TSP any rope to hang on to.

Reidel should reflect on credibility of US in Mumbai crisis with their own double agent David Headley providing targets for LeT (by his own admission) to attack in Mumbai.

How can one have joint planning with US for they might leak them thru their own non-state actor and jail him to prevent India from getting to bottom of it!

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Peregrine, Shaharyar Khan is TSP bomb mamu. He was go between to PRC.

arun · Post by **arun** » 05 Sep 2014 22:51

What Pakistan's crisis tells all Indians: Partition was an excellent idea :

R. Jagannathan in First Post

Excerpts:

If one were to look at what's happening across our western borders – where an elected government is being sought to be ousted by street protests, possibly tacitly backed by the army — any sane Indian should be saying to himself: thank God for Partition.

The fact that we had some past civilisation links to the region now called Pakistan should not blind us to the reality that this link is dead. Islamic Pakistan and democratic India can never be friends — till Pakistan ceases to be Islamic.

Sadly article is marred by this bit of “equal = equal” in the concluding paragraph :

India was spared a Hindu theocracy by partition. Time to save out aloud: “Thank God for Partition.” Thank God we did not get our Akhand Bharat – which even Sanghi ideologists do not stop fantasising about.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 05 Sep 2014 23:38

^^
Come to think of it, Pakistan is INDIA'S strategic depth!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Sep 2014 23:47

Did not that paki cricketer bark about "be ready for fire" to a shri lankan cricketer? How sporting is it that a sports representative player wishes fire of hell to another in an international match?

No one wants such bogus talk even in IPL and spoil it for others. From the Parliament to the field, pakis are crapping all over the world.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 06 Sep 2014 00:00

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Sep 2014 00:05

I slam a bad has a new Dhobi Ghat :

Followers of Tahirul Qadri wash their laundry in front of the Parliament building in Islamabad

Cheers

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Sep 2014 04:06

Bhenzadi Taliban shift focus to Afghanistan
Pooranharami Link

PESHAWAR: Punjabi Taliban, an influential militant faction of the Pakistani Taliban on Friday said it would abandon insurgent activity inside the country and redirect its energies towards Afghanistan.The announcement indicates further fragmentation in the umbrella Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), which suffered a setback Thursday when a new bloc declared its split from the group's official leadership.“We will confine our practical jihadist role to Afghanistan in view of deteriorating situation in the region and internal situation of Pakistani jihadist movement,” Punjabi Taliban chief Ismatullah Muawiya said in a pamphlet faxed to the media, without clarifying further.
The faction is active in Punjab, Pakistan's wealthiest and most populous province and the political power base of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) party.
Muawiya said the faction will operate in Afghanistan under the guidance of Mullah Omar, the spiritual leader of Afghan Taliban, while its activities in Pakistan will be confined to preaching Islam.“The announcement is a major setback for the TTP as it shows fragmentation is continuing and the organisation is fracturing,” defence and security analyst Talat Masood told AFP.“The groups within TTP have not accepted Mullah Fazlullah, which has caused a serious split in the organisation.”Mullah Fazlullah was elected head of the TTP last November following the killing of Hakimullah Mehsud in a US drone strike.A new bloc, named the TTP Jamatul Ahrar (freedom fighters group), announced its split from the group Thursday and named Omar Khalid Khorasani as its commander.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Sep 2014 04:23

I wonder where they are getting the water from for the supreme-court-e-dhobi-ghat hain ji?
Didn't the evil scheming buniyas steal all the water already?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Sep 2014 08:16

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/0 ... 5K20140905

Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster

Weeks of mounting anti-government protests in Pakistan had been enough to convince five of the powerful army's 11 Corps Commanders that it was time for them to step in and force embattled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to resign.

According to a minister close to military circles, top generals met in the garrison city of Rawalpindi at the end of August as demonstrations raged in nearby Islamabad. Thousands of protesters had just tried to storm Sharif's residence.

At the tense, four-hour conclave, Pakistan's democratic process was once again in peril, with the military pondering another intervention in a country that has seen power change hands more often through coups than elections.

If, with the help of tacit military support, Nawaz Sharif does manage to ride out twin protest movements led by cricketer-turned-opposition leader Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, he is expected to emerge a diminished figure.

It would allow the armed forces to assume greater control of policy areas they most covet - security and foreign policy - and leave it to civilians to face public anger over internal problems such as a faltering economy and widespread power cuts.{IMHO this is the real reason there wasnt a coup. Why have the burden of governing the country if civilians can take all the blame and the Army gets whatever it wants? Musharraf suggested a "national security council" -- essentially a army run committee to oversee all decisions by the civilians as a method to prevent future coups. Even Musharraf wanted to be a puppet master and not the main actor on stage. OTOH the Army must be worried that democracy might become a habit if they dont regularly teach civilians a lesson}

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 06 Sep 2014 08:24

^^^
The Dhobi Ghat now confirms that the capital city lives up to its name - Slumbad!

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 06 Sep 2014 08:27

A_Gupta wrote:
SSridhar wrote:Modi-Nawaz Sharif meeting on margins of UN General Assembly unlikely
After Xi, now Modi. Obviously, the mangoes haven't worked.
Will Sharif's plane returning to Pakistan be permitted to land?

Rather than the permission to land, Sharif should be wary of any crates of mangoes that may get shipped with his plane.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 06 Sep 2014 09:06

Peregrine wrote:I slam a bad has a new Dhobi Ghat :
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Followers of Tahirul Qadri wash their laundry in front of the Parliament building in Islamabad............

Nothing new, Bakis have been washing their dirty laundry in public for years so this comes naturally.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Sep 2014 09:11

Peregrine wrote:I slam a bad has a new Dhobi Ghat :

Followers of Tahirul Qadri wash their laundry in front of the Parliament building in Islamabad

Cheers

washing pukistan's dirty linen in public

habal · Post by **habal** » 06 Sep 2014 09:13

atleast for the first time in it's history, that parliament is being put to good use. For the benefit of the real public.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 06 Sep 2014 10:53

It would allow the armed forces to assume greater control of policy areas they most covet - security and foreign policy

Doesn't Pak Army already has full control over these areas. Only a novice would assume that civilian govts have any say in areas where only Generals can tread.
It is just in the DNA of Paki army to create chaos and confusion whenever there is a civilian govt in place and then feel good about its martial status in the country. Otherwise how do they justify there existence.

dhruvM · Post by **dhruvM** » 06 Sep 2014 13:23

Vice News

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 1

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 2

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Sep 2014 18:01

Sikh trader gunned down in Peshawar

PESHAWAR: A Sikh trader from Peshawar’s Sikh community was gunned down in Nothia, an area in the Gulberg neighbourhood in Peshawar.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Sep 2014 19:09

As good a narrative as any other, I suppose: Najam Sethi on the plot to oust Nawaz Sharif:
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/opera ... az-sharif/

khan · Post by **khan** » 06 Sep 2014 19:21

A_Gupta wrote:As good a narrative as any other, I suppose: Najam Sethi on the plot to oust Nawaz Sharif:
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/opera ... az-sharif/

So Raeel Sharif COAS of PA does not control his own army - interesting.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 06 Sep 2014 19:50

I am disappointed, looks like Dim and TuQ are fizzling out.

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 06 Sep 2014 20:16

Text of the tweet at top

Events starting this day in 1965 would give birth to phrases like "Sabre Killer", "Graveyard of Pattons" & importantly, #DefenceDayPakistan!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Sep 2014 22:16

dhruvM wrote:Vice News

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 1

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 2

Two groups shouting AoA!!!! Setting on each other. I dont even know which side to support.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Sep 2014 22:26

Is Pakistan heading for a monsoon catastrophe

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Sep 2014 22:51

Anujan wrote:
dhruvM wrote:Vice News

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 1

March on Islamabad : Dispatch 2
Two groups shouting AoA!!!! Setting on each other. I dont even know which side to support.

Anujan Ji :

Be Constitutional, Be Democratic and Be Secular.

Support Both!

Cheers

Harish · Post by **Harish** » 06 Sep 2014 22:51

Peregrine wrote:
Is Pakistan heading for a monsoon catastrophe

USD 1.8 billion loss from a few mud huts and some goats washed away? Don't the bakis quote anything for less than a billion USD nowadays?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Sep 2014 22:52

They are claiming $5 billion loss due to protests.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Sep 2014 00:11

Anujan wrote:They are claiming $5 billion loss due to protests.

Well, there are two forms of loss. One is property and capital damage (e.g., say, a shop or a bus got damaged). The second is loss of productivity (e.g., the shop was closed and lost a week's worth of sales, etc.).

Now, Pakistan's GDP per Wiki in 2014, is $245 billion (exchange rate) or $576 billion (PPP). I'm going to be very generous and give them $1 billion (exchange rate) GDP per day. Then it would take a complete shutdown of the whole of Pakistan's economy for 1 day to lose $1 billion. Bandhs in some sections of a few cities hardly qualifies for that.

The 50,000 people killed by terrorism in 10 years at $4000 per capita GDP per year gives a nominal figure of loss of $2 billion -- over 10 years. This does not count property damage.

I do not want to trivialize the deaths or minimize the pain and suffering of the families who lost loved ones; but just want to make the numbers comprehensible.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Sep 2014 02:16

The only rule in Pakistan of TFTA marshal-law-blooded pious bunch is not to blame PA of jihadis even after attempting a soft coup!

And shouldn't not the chattering class find out who are those 5/11 coup-pushersshers in the commanders meeting that openly discussed overthrowing elected govt at the cost of public?

What does that tell about paki media and 5/11 Army commanders meeting.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 07 Sep 2014 02:31

Peregrine wrote:

Heart-rending to see the common person in Pakistan,
Crushed under the exploitation of the Arab-Turk-Irani-Mughal Ashrafs,
Manipulated in the name of religion,
Deluded by ideology,
Lied to about his own ancestors,
Deprived of his relationship with this land,
Shanghaied and pressed into violent service against his own,
Dragged along on a desperate ride from one "revolution" to another.

The Ashrafs are not just cold and calculating, because they carry the delusion within themselves.
Their cold cynical lust for power overflows its banks. They become 'genuinely' intoxicated by it, a frenzy of the spirit.
Their ambitious delusion sweeps up ignorant minds around them.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Sep 2014 02:39

Do they have some 'affected' bunch of pious (numbers otherwise are nowhere compared to 'affected' in proportion) standing-by that paki army shows to the world and waves its $$ begging bowl again and again?

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Sep 2014 03:01

^^ Kaun kaun kitne paani mein sab ki hai pecchaan mujhe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG_vaEw98lY

à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£ · Post by **à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£** » 07 Sep 2014 03:10

Peregrine wrote:

Floods: $1 billion
Long march: $100 billion
Terrorism: $1000 gajillion
Saving khuspoo in the floods: priceless

James B · Post by **James B** » 07 Sep 2014 03:55

An old PIA ad

What unfair advantage? - Being TFTA?.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Sep 2014 03:58

Guys, scanning through weekend DDM perverts, apart from the usual anti-Modi, anti-BJP, anti-Hindu hot air, is that Modi has backed himself into a corner on canceling talks with TSP. They seem to be almost smug in asserting this. And in this, they are in cahoots with TSP RAPE who also claim the same. Any thoughts on whether Modi is going to back down, and it will be business as usual with TSP as these traitors assert?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/k ... 61065.aspx

The exception is the handling of Pakistan. Till he made the silly mistake of calling off foreign secretary-level talks, because the Pakistan high commissioner met with Hurriyat, Mr Modi was, in fact, creating a new relationship. Either inexperience or hubris tripped him up. Now he has to dig myself out of a self-made hole.