West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Sep 2014 15:59

Ishaan Tharoor is Shashi Tharoor's son.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 14 Sep 2014 16:25

So the apple has fallen far from the tree.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 14 Sep 2014 18:11

^^Not really. Very close in fact.

Depends on how you see the tree.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 14 Sep 2014 18:35

Guys, help me out. From the US/UK govt mouthpieces on see-yen-yen, faux-noise, pee-pee-see etc, and their loyal proxies on UnDyTv, I get only one side of the story. Aren't these barbaric ISIS terrorists the same pigs that US was helping throw out baaad Assad? What am I missing?

And I am also amused to see the Aussie clowns putting out a "terror alert" and joining the wild west coalition taking on ISIS. I did not know that Aussies have a Jihadi problem. Are they feeling left out that only US and UK are getting all the attention from ISIS and not them? If they feel so left out, maybe they should help India to hunt down the Paki generals and ISI thugs who are as evil if not more who routinely be-head and torture Indian soldiers and civilians.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 14 Sep 2014 19:10

Muslim scholar denounces US-led coalition
worldbulletin.net | Sep 14th 2014

World Bulletin/News Desk

The chairman of the International Union of Muslim Scholars has spoken out against the U.S.-led coalition of nearly 40 countries against the ISIL.

Academic Yusuf al-Qaradawi commented: "I have completely different ideas and methods from IS. On the other hand, I do not accept the United States action to fight against them because the US follows its own interests, not Islamic values." [..]

And then this happened:

Qatar expels leading Muslim Brotherhood figures: sources
by Mirza Al-Khuwaylidi, aawsat.net
September 14th 2014 8:14 PM

Riyadh, Dammam, Cairo and London, Asharq Al-Awsat—A number of high-profile Muslim Brotherhood members currently residing in Qatar are set to leave the small Gulf state, a development that may herald a breakthrough in attempts to heal the rift between Doha and its neighbors. [..]

One informed source, speaking to Asharq Al-Awsat on condition of anonymity, said: “Qatar requested the [Brotherhood] members to leave in a bid to heal the rift between Doha and the Arab Gulf states,” and speculated that they were likely to seek to move to London or Ankara. [..]

“So that we can relieve the embarrassment caused to Qatar, where we were respected and welcomed, a number of FJP and Muslim Brotherhood figures who were asked to leave [the country] by Qatar have acceded to the request,” he said in the statement. [..]

Meanwhile, one of the names reportedly on the list, Brotherhood member Essam Talima, who is a close aide of the controversial cleric Yusuf Al-Qaradawi—who though not officially a member of the Muslim Brotherhood is seen as sympathetic to the organization—told Asharq Al-Awsat Qaradawi would be leaving for Oslo on Thursday. Talima said the decision to leave was Qaradawi’s “first and foremost,” and that the Egyptian-born cleric was heading to the University of Oslo in order to complete research on Islamic groups.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 14 Sep 2014 20:00

CRamS wrote:....
....If they feel so left out, maybe they should help India to hunt down the Paki generals and ISI thugs who are as evil if not more who routinely be-head and torture Indian soldiers and civilians.

Doubt their support is out of they feeling "left out". They are as much "west" as EE-you is. Aussies know that they will do just fine (and prosper) as long as they go along with the west. When it comes to natural resources and other "wealth of the nation" things, they are self-sufficient, and would never step out of line with the western thinking. As far as helping India, "why in the world would they do it?". They have no incentive to help India; and definitely not when it comes to cancer known as Pakistan. In fact it is the opposite. Rise of India is a threat to down and under country. They can import all the talent they want for cheap and they know that they have something India wants desperately i.e. natural resources. As far as Pakistan is considered, it is still in existence and well fed, and continued to be well fed till eternity to serve THE ONE & ONLY ONE PURPOSE is to slowly "rot" India. My 2 paisa..

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Sep 2014 02:49

http://www.arabnews.com/columns/news/629741
A far-fetched idea

There is nothing surprising about an Al-Qaeda leader’s statement about opening “a branch” of his militant group in India being described as “just crazy” by Peter Bergen, an American expert on counter-terrorism. The nature of Ayman Al-Zawahiri’s announcement lacks credibility as well as legitimacy. The hype raised over his announcement in media and in certain political and diplomatic circles certainly gives an impression that India needs to go on high alert over Zawahiri’s intentions.
This is equivalent to assuming that India has not been on an alert over the prospects of various terrorist groups’ entry into its territories. Had India not been continuously on alert, the country may not have been as safe and peaceful as it is at present. True, of and on, domestic skirmishes, at times of communal nature still keep occurring in this country. But these are linked with internal, sociopolitical issues of the country and is not the result of any foreign militant group’s meddling in India. Not surprisingly, most Muslim organizations in India have openly rejected Zawahiri’s call and have said that they don’t want “foreign terrorist outfits” interference in their internal matters.
Zawahiri’s decision to open a wing of his group in India has earned him plenty of publicity across the world. Indirectly, this also proves this militant leader’s concern about his group lacking supporters in India. If his group really had active members in India, Zawahiri would have refrained from issuing such a statement. He would have probably preferred carrying out his “tasks” silently. Giving it publicity is equivalent to setting Indian defense and security forces on guard against success of his militant group. A militant leader seriously concerned about attracting Indian Muslims to his group is not expected to lay a trap for his own agents being caught in their attempt to open a wing in India. After all, what else does Zawahiri’s video indicate? As headlines read, India is on alert.
Zawahiri is perhaps hardly concerned about his video having put India on an alert. If he were, there would not have been any video of his so-called aim to open a branch of his militant group. Absence of such a video would have also not earned him so much publicity across the world. This probably was his key mission, earn publicity, receive media coverage, political as well as diplomatic attention and remain in the limelight for some time.Chances of any foreign militant group, with or without a religious label, succeeding in India are extremely limited. India is home to major religions of the world. It has the second largest population of Muslims in the world, who form around 14 percent of India’s population. While Indian Muslims represent 24 percent of the global population of Muslims, the 2.3 percent of Christian population in India forms 32 percent of Christians in the world. The population of Indian Muslims is too large and widespread in the country to be easily influenced by any foreign militant group.
Had the Muslims in India been geographically concentrated in a few areas without any major differences, the situation would have been different. Differences and certain divisions within Indian Muslims are to a degree also responsible for their being devoid of any common political party and of any person or group regarded as representative of the entire Indian Muslim community. Cultural differences as well as political leanings among Indian Muslims vary remarkably from region to region.
Religious freedom allowed in India as a part of its secularism together with its democratic, constitutional, cultural and historical roots leaves little scope for religious extremism to progress here. In India’s capital city, within a range of few kilometers, it is not surprising to come across several places of worship representing different communities, including Muslims, Christians and Hindus.
Not surprisingly, the militant leader’s announcement has failed to stir Indian Muslims. Majority of Indian Muslims are not even aware of such militant leaders and their groups’ existence in other countries. A large number of Indian Muslims who are conscious of their presence are least interested in being associated with them. Thus, there is nothing surprising about Indian Muslims, unintentionally or deliberately, having virtually ignored Zawahiri’s call for their support. Their approach adds legitimacy to international experts on counterterrorism regarding Zawahiri’s idea of opening a branch in India as “just crazy.”

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 15 Sep 2014 03:48

CRamS wrote:Guys, help me out. From the US/UK govt mouthpieces on see-yen-yen, faux-noise, pee-pee-see etc, and their loyal proxies on UnDyTv, I get only one side of the story. Aren't these barbaric ISIS terrorists the same pigs that US was helping throw out baaad Assad? What am I missing?

Something is fishy about the whole ISIS group. They seemingly appeared out of nowhere and now all western countries are gearing up to fight them. They don't seem very many in number and they don't have any local support. So where is their money, weapons and logistics coming from?

It makes me wonder if the currently stated objective of fighting ISIS will be morphed into regime change once the boots hit the ground.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Sep 2014 06:38

"O'Bomber's Revenge".
The latest episode in the comedy series ,starring America's equivalent to Inspector Clouseau as he hunts for the elusive "Black Panther".

Synopsis:
Watch how globocop B.Hussein O'Bomber,aka,O'Bumbler,aided by his faithful manservant JoKerry and assisted by Britain's latter-day Sherlock Holmes,the "Moron of Cam",and loyal Sgt.Hollande,as he takes on the hordes of ungodly beheading Islamic extremists across the wide landscape of the Middle East to save the world.Watch how O'Bumbler trips and falls into the Tigris (or is it the Euphrates?),as he hunts down the evil leader of ISIS from Egyptian tombs (shurely shome mistake?),unravelling messages from the past in the ancient hieroglyphics,searching for clues which,lead him to Afghanistan,even to the Ukraine (Is Putin really Baghdadi in disguise?) in search of the elusive "Black Panther",the evil Abu Baqr Al-Baghdadi,aka " the Baker of Baghdad" as his name indicates.

Watch how O'Bumbler gets his fingers and bumside burnt when he enters the bakery in Baghdad on Sod-Em St.,looking for Baghdadi in a large oven,"forcing him into beating the retreat";that famous Yanqui military manoeuvre made famous in Vietnam.watch in disbelief how O'Bumbler bombs Syria by mistake (or intention surely?).The end game everyone knows,but how O'Bumbler gets there is a tale full of mystery and seat-gripping suspense.A comedy classic featuring your favourite stars O'Bumbler,the Moron of Cam,JoKerry,that bewitching blonde,blue-eyed Aryan heroine,housfrau Angel Merkel,villains like Basher-A*sehard the Syrian,Count Vlad of Putin,the Russian who keeps on "rushing in" where not wanted,supported by a cast of thousands of drones.Just watch the screen,the audience and the theatre explode as O'Bumbler as usual,gets it wrong and bombs the sh*t out of you!

9/11 anniversary: Barack Obama unveils 'degrade and ultimately destroy' strategy against Isis
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 25005.html

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Sep 2014 06:39

CRamS wrote:Guys, help me out. From the US/UK govt mouthpieces on see-yen-yen, faux-noise, pee-pee-see etc, and their loyal proxies on UnDyTv, I get only one side of the story. Aren't these barbaric ISIS terrorists the same pigs that US was helping throw out baaad Assad? What am I missing?

And I am also amused to see the Aussie clowns putting out a "terror alert" and joining the wild west coalition taking on ISIS. I did not know that Aussies have a Jihadi problem. Are they feeling left out that only US and UK are getting all the attention from ISIS and not them? If they feel so left out, maybe they should help India to hunt down the Paki generals and ISI thugs who are as evil if not more who routinely be-head and torture Indian soldiers and civilians.

No, US was not helping ISIS in Syria, US has been backing the so called "moderate" groups like FSA and Al-Nusra.

US has been fighting ISIS ( aka AlQaeda in Iraq ) since 2003 war.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Sep 2014 06:43

Part of Obama rhetoric is also aimed at the November congressional election.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Sep 2014 06:45

Neshant wrote:
CRamS wrote:Guys, help me out. From the US/UK govt mouthpieces on see-yen-yen, faux-noise, pee-pee-see etc, and their loyal proxies on UnDyTv, I get only one side of the story. Aren't these barbaric ISIS terrorists the same pigs that US was helping throw out baaad Assad? What am I missing?
Something is fishy about the whole ISIS group. They seemingly appeared out of nowhere and now all western countries are gearing up to fight them. They don't seem very many in number and they don't have any local support. So where is their money, weapons and logistics coming from?

It makes me wonder if the currently stated objective of fighting ISIS will be morphed into regime change once the boots hit the ground.

Plenty of information here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_St ... the_Levant

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Sep 2014 20:01

Oooh! The world's great zeros have descended upon gay Paris to continue where they left off from that groaning banquet table in Wales.From feasting upon the finest Welsh fare,M.Hollande now has his opportunity to excite the tastebuds of the zeros with a superb menu of Soupe à l'oignon ,Salade nicoise,Foie gras,Flamiche,Confit de canard,Ratatouille (for the veggies) Boeuf bourguignon,Tarte tatin-all washed down with fine premier grand crus classe bordeaux-perhaps a Cheval Blanc,with Grand Marnier and XO Cognacs and Armagnacs to accompany the cheeses.

Isis: leaders gather in Paris as UK edges towards military action
John Kerry joins Iraqi, Arab and western ministers to discuss ways to support Baghdad in battle against Islamic State jihadis

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theguardian.com, Monday 15 September 2014 11.12 BST
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Philip Hammond arrives for an international conference on Islamic State
British foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, arrives for the Isis conference at the French foreign ministry in Paris. Photograph: Alain Jocard/AFP/Getty Images

Leaders and diplomats from more than 20 countries have gathered for a crisis meeting in Paris as the prospect of Britain joining military action against the Islamic State (Isis) jihadi group moves closer.

Opening the conference at the French foreign ministry, President François Hollande urged western and Arab countries to engage "clearly, loyally and strongly at the side of the Iraqi authorities". There was "no time to lose" in dealing with the threat from Isis. "Iraq's combat against terrorism is also ours," he said.

Monday's gathering came just a day after Isis released a video showing a hooded jihadi killing the British aid worker David Haines, 44, the third western hostage to be decapitated by the group in a month.

Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and his US and UK counterparts, John Kerry and Philip Hammond, were at the meeting.

On Sunday, the British prime minister, David Cameron, led international condemnation of the ritualised killing of Haines and threats against a second UK citizen, Alan Henning.

As western diplomats reported that several Arab states had offered to join a US-led coalition carrying out air strikes on the insurgents, Cameron said the UK was "ready to take whatever steps are necessary" to deal with the threat of Isis.

Before the conference began, France's foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, announced that French aircraft were to begin reconnaissance flights over Iraq. "We told the Iraqis we were available and asked them for authorisation," he told Europe 1, but added there was "no question of sending ground troops".

The Iraqi president, Fouad Masoum, who has appealed for rapid air intervention, told those gathered in Paris that Daesh, the Arabic acronym for Isis, was open in its aims and called for concerted action to defeat what he described as terrorists and criminals, who represented a "new form of terrorism".

"Daesh leaders are working at setting up a state and do not deny the existence of terrorist volunteers from European countries who may or may not have dual nationality … it goes beyond what we experienced before with al-Qaida," he said. "These criminals are experts at the brainwashing of young people in these regions. They control and prepare them for terrorist actions. They use modern technology to spread propaganda and terror through the internet and social media networks.

"Iraq is here today to show its will to stand up against this terrorism enemy that makes no distinction between Iraqis. We must sent a strong message to the orphaned mothers who have lost their children that we stand beside our people."

More than 40 countries have signed up to a US-led plan, but not all are willing to offer Iraq direct military support. Arab participation in military action would give a wider sense of legitimacy to the campaign. No Arab state has publicly promised to participate in military action but it is believed several have in private, including Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, the latter of which recently bombed Islamist militia targets in Libya from bases in Egypt.

A senior western source told the Guardian that Saudi Arabia felt so threatened by Isis that it was prepared to act in a frontline role. "There is a very real possibility that we could have the Saudi air force bombing targets inside Syria. That is a remarkable development, and something the US would be very pleased to see."

Another senior official said Saudi Arabia was far more willing to play an open role in the offensive against Isis than it did during the 1991 Gulf war and the 2003 invasion of Iraq. On those campaigns, Riyadh allowed its military bases to be used by US forces, but did not commit its service personnel. This time, Riyadh sees Isis as a direct threat.

"They actually see themselves as the real target," the official said. "They know that they have to step up, and they are ready to, from what we can see."

Australia has promised to send 600 troops and eight fighter jets to help the US fight what the prime minister, Tony Abbott, called the Isis "death cult".

The UK and the US have ruled out sending ground troops to areas of Iraq and Syria controlled by Isis jihadis, but Cameron hinted that the UK would be prepared to join the US in conducting a bombing campaign against Isis as part of a wider alliance. Cameron heightened his rhetoric against the "monsters" in Isis after a video emerged on Saturday night purporting to show a masked fighter beheading Haines before threatening to kill Henning, a 47-year-old former taxi driver and volunteer on an aid convoy.

The jihadi, who had the same London accent as the man in previous hostage videos, warned Cameron that he would have more blood on his hands if the UK continued to fight Isis. It is the third recent film; the others showed the murder of two US journalists – James Foley and Steven Sotloff – which have emerged at intervals of 10-14 days since 19 August.

In his statement, Cameron made no mention of recalling parliament to debate the possibility of air strikes, which he has promised to do before ordering military action unless confronted by an emergency. MPs are in recess for party conferences until 14 October.

He is under pressure from hawks within the Conservative party, including the former defence secretary Liam Fox, who are pushing for the UK to join air strikes. British military chiefs, including Lord Dannatt, a former head of the army, warned that the strength of Isis could grow if the government did not "confront and destroy" its influence.

The US carried out at least nine air strikes last week, while the UK has pledged to help arm the Kurdish resistance forces in Iraq. These actions were mentioned in the Isis video, entitled A Message to the Allies of America, as reasons for the killing of Haines.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 15 Sep 2014 21:36

I don't know why they have these endless conference and meetings to decide whether they have to bomb the ISIS. It didn't take half this much time and logic to bomb Iraq IIRC. Someone is deliberately dragging their feet here IMO.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Sep 2014 02:43

Israeli refuseniks will be treated as criminals, says defence minister
Moshe Ya'alon joins political and military leadership in attack on reservists who refuse to serve in Palestinian territories.
Peter Beaumont in Jerusalem
Monday 15 September 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/s ... e-minister

Forty-three Israeli military intelligence reservists who signed a letter refusing to serve in the occupied Palestinian territories have been denounced as "criminal" by defence minister Moshe Ya'alon, as the country's political and military leadership turned its fire on the refuseniks.

The ferocity of the response was not unexpected by those involved. One signatory told the Guardian before publication that he feared being portrayed as an enemy of the state after the letter was made public.

Among those who have criticised the reservists' actions are Israel's prime minister, the president, opposition leaders and a former intelligence head. In addition, the Israeli military revealed that 200 other members of the unit had signed a counter-letter defending its work.

The reservists' letter had alleged the unit undertook "all encompassing" surveillance of the Palestinians – whether involved in terrorism or not – and used information, including of sexual orientation, to blackmail individuals into becoming informants.

The threat of criminal sanctions would break the pattern of the treatment of reservists, including pilots, who signed previous refusenik letters who have tended to be discharged.

It is not clear, however, what charges the men and women could face. The 43 took legal advice from a prominent lawyer to ensure their letter and testimonies did not break the law, including by revealing their identities.

The text of the letter and most serious allegations were also submitted to the Israeli authorities before publication on Friday.

The letter, published with testimonies from reservists of Unit 8200, claimed much of its electronic interception work was being used to support the "political persecution" of Palestinians and the continued occupation.

As a deluge of criticism of the protesters poured from senior Israeli politicians and officials, it was disclosed that the current commander of 8200 had sent a letter to members of the unit – that does interception work analogous with the US NSA or the UK's GCHQ – warning them against rising complaints with the media, saying that any ethical concerns could be dealt with adequately by commanders within the unit.

Leading the charge against the refusniks on Sunday was the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu. Speaking at a cyber-security conference in Tel Aviv, he accused the soldiers of "baseless slander" adding: "This is an act that should be condemned … and that constitutes political exploitation of the Israel Defence Forces [IDF].

"The IDF is the most moral army in the world and it carries out the missions that we give it to safeguard our security. From my long years of acquaintance with the members of Unit 8200, the baseless slander levelled against them will not harm the vitally important work they do for the nation's security. And I say to them – continue."

Netanyahu's comments came as an IDF spokesman, Brigadier General Motti Almoz, wrote on his Facebook page on Sunday that the refuseniks would face "the disciplinary treatment [that] would be sharp and clear". He added: "There is no place for refusal in the IDF. There are arguments and there are political stances. Celebration of democracy. ... What happened here, in my eyes? Exploitation of military service to express a political stance."

The most furious condemnation, came from Ya'alon, who described the letter as a "foolish and obscene attempt to support the international false delegitimisation campaign against the State of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF."

By Monday, Ya'alon, speaking at the same cyber-security conference as Netanyahu, was also hinting that the reserve soldiers could face criminal prosecution. "Their refusal is politically, not morally, motivated. Soldiers should go to their commanders when they have a problem. Our officers and soldiers are doing sacred work which saves many lives and they deserve our gratitude. I will not allow a political abuse of this and those who signed this [refusal document] will be treated as criminals," he said.

Other political figures who have joined criticism of the letter include several prominent members of Israel's opposition.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Sep 2014 03:06

Marten wrote:Waiting for a substantial enough area to be captured. Kurds will finally get their homeland. And the US will get the non-Israel instability/warfare they could only have dreamed of earlier. Two thumbs up for oil price manipulation.

Kurds need port and only Syria can provide it. Turkey is blackmailing Kurdistan,eating up big chunk of their oil revenue. Once they have Turk free sea outlet, oil will flow to world market from Irbil to India, Erbil to Eindhoven freely.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 16 Sep 2014 04:23

Jhujarji, India can't get oil from places 2500km away from western borders, so she decides to go another 1200km to get oil? Funda kuchh samzha nahi..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2014 04:43

The strategy looks like drive ISIS into Syria.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Sep 2014 04:55

Yes,get ISIS to upend Assad and then destroy Damascus carte blanc!

wig · Post by **wig** » 16 Sep 2014 18:05

As many as 1,000 Turks have joined ISIS.
excerpts

ISIS Draws a Steady Stream of Recruits From Turkey
Having spent most of his youth as a drug addict in one of the poorest neighborhoods of Turkey’s capital, Can did not think he had much to lose when he was smuggled into Syria with 10 of his childhood friends to join the world’s most extreme jihadist group.

After 15 days at a training camp in the Syrian city of Raqqa, the de facto headquarters of the group, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, the 27-year-old Can was assigned to a fighting unit. He said he shot two men and participated in a public execution. It was only after he buried a man alive that he was told he had become a full ISIS fighter.

“When you fight over there, it’s like being in a trance,” said Can, who asked to be referred to only by his middle name for fear of reprisal. “Everyone shouts, ‘God is the greatest,’ which gives you divine strength to kill the enemy without being fazed by blood or splattered guts,” he said.

Hundreds of foreign fighters, including some from Europe and the United States, have joined the ranks of ISIS in its self-proclaimed caliphate that sweeps over vast territories of Iraq and Syria. But one of the biggest source of recruits is neighboring Turkey, a NATO member with an undercurrent of Islamist discontent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/world ... -news&_r=0

habal · Post by **habal** » 16 Sep 2014 18:14

Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, Turks have highest component of memberships in the latest US invention called ISIS.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Sep 2014 18:37

habal wrote:Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, Turks have highest component of memberships in the latest US invention called ISIS.

Except for the Tunisians, the rest have a relatively "moderate" participation, you can check it out from this graph:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1717140

But majority of ISIS is composed of Iraqi Sunnis, more information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_St ... the_Levant

These are the same people US has been fighting in Iraq since 2003 war.

habal · Post by **habal** » 16 Sep 2014 18:42

Incidentally all these countries also had color revolutions.

Seems like ISIS propagandu division is managed by american recruits.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 16 Sep 2014 19:35

ISIS has finally given a voice, identity and a sort of functioning state to a good number of muslims worldwide who were hiding in the 'silent majority' , chafing at the restrictions of living in alien host societies , and unable to live as per what they perceived as the true Quranic way of life. this lot were _more_ dangerous left like than , than migrating overtly to be in the ISIS state. they have now no cloak of hypocracy and bleatings of ROP to hide under. in a way ISIS is the best thing that has happened to open sickular fence sitter eyes around the world.

what ISIS is doing is probably no different from the early days of Saudia (before they donned armani suits and put a polish on things), 700AD arabia, what the ottomans or timurids or countless islamic empires did.

they truly are a good case study and devoid of any hypocrisy. they know what they want to live like and are doing it.

the next move is up to the world at large.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 16 Sep 2014 20:25

My take is that US would like a controllable but unstable situation. So they don't want not so Islamist but Arab nationalism to take root like what Assad/Saddam represent, because that won't be good for its Bibi Nuttinyahoo munnas and the Arab monarchy monkeys.

On the other hand, they certainly don't want Islamists dominate because that would be a total disaster for US. As long as they are "useful idiots" like "South Asian" Islamists, thats fine. Finally, they don't want the Persians dominating either.

So just as in "South Asia", its India TSP equal equal, in west Asia, its Arab nationalists == Islamists == Persians with each going at each other, none can win outright, while the white boys manipulate each to preserve this balance.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 16 Sep 2014 21:02

habal wrote:Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, Turks have highest component of memberships in the latest US invention called ISIS.

All of these countries are the post WWI new construct. They are trying to bring back the memories of caliphate/Ottomon empire

This has to work its way to decline before a new beginning has to start

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Sep 2014 01:19

I wonder what Messrs. Sykes and Picot would've said had they been alive today and witnessed the crumbling of their creations in the Middle East and the fissures in the once mighty British Empire. The bonfire of the vanities!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Sep 2014 01:55

Now that we are talking about ISIL , some light on help From Turkey.

link
Once I saw a pic of a store in turkey selling t-shirts with ISIL slogans written in Arabic and very openly.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Sep 2014 12:27

On a more light-hearted note!

Israeli vs Arab dog.

he Israelis and Arabs realized that if they continued fighting, they would someday end up destroying the whole world. So they decided to settle their dispute with an ancient practice: a duel of two, like David and Goliath. This "duel" would be a dog fight.

The negotiators agreed each side would take 5 years to develop the best fighting dog they could. The dog that won the fight would earn its people the right to rule the disputed areas. The losing side would have to lay down its arms for good.

The Arabs found the biggest, meanest Dobermans and Rottweilers in the world. They bred them together and then crossed their offspring with the meanest Siberian wolves.

They selected only the biggest, strongest puppy of each litter, fed it the best food and killed all the other puppies. They used steroids and trainers in their quest for the perfect killing machine. After the 5 years were up, they had a dog that needed steel prison bars on its cage. Only expert trainers could handle this incredibly nasty and ferocious beast.

When the day of the big dog-fight finally arrived, the Israelis showed up with a very strange-looking animal, a Dachshund that was 10 feet long!

Everyone at the dogfight arena felt sorry for the Israelis. No one there seriously thought this weird, odd-looking animal stood any chance against the growling beast over in the Arab camp. All the bookies took one look and predicted that the Arab dog would win in less than a minute.

As the cages were opened, the Dachshund slowly waddled toward the center of the ring.

The Arab dog leaped from its cage and charged the giant wiener-dog.

As he got to within an inch of the Israeli dog, the Dachshund opened its jaws and swallowed the Arab beast whole in one bite. There was nothing left but a small puff of fur from the Arab killer dog's tail floating to the ground.

The stunned crowd of international observers, bookies and media personnel let out a collective gasp of disbelief and surprise.

The Arabs approached the Israelis, muttering and shaking their heads in disbelief. "We do not understand," said their leader, "Our top scientists and breeders worked for 5 long years with the meanest, biggest Dobermans, Rottweilers and Siberian wolves, and they developed an incredible killing machine of a dog!"

The Israelis replied. "Well, for 5 years, we have had a team of Jewish plastic surgeons working on transforming an alligator into a Dachshund.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 17 Sep 2014 12:28

http://www.kabc.com/common/more.php?m=5 ... 40A&mode=2

One of the beheaded US journalists was sold by the moderates to ISIL ?!?

"What is called moderate opposition sold to ISIL the innocent, beheaded U.S. journalist," Lahham writes to House Speaker John Boehner and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, using an alternative acronym for ISIS. "There is nothing to prevent those groups from selling the U.S. weapons to ISIL as it is their proven common practice."

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Sep 2014 13:20

yes they setup a fake checkpoint to detain him and sold him off for a paltry sum like 20k.

being weaker groups, they are trying to retain some peace with the ISIS by giving them such easy to catch targets. else the ISIS can come and crush them. eventually they have to join ISIS, wind up or find some powerful patron like the US who will not abandon them(US will abandon once its perceived aims are met)

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 17 Sep 2014 14:27

Why did Khan let go of Al-Keeda and had to create a new enemy in ME is beyond me. ISIS strategy is fraught with high risk and rewards in the sense that they can turn back and bite Barbaria or they can bring down Assad and engulf Iran in this cauldron. After all they have proven themselves to be the greenest shade of green.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 17 Sep 2014 17:57

The Pros eliminate the amateur competition

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Sep 2014 19:24

Huge 800 man predawn ct raids on muslim homes in west Sydney and Brisbane today.

Trigger was imminent snatching of random ppl in Sydney to behead on camera as advised by high ranking Aussie Isis member to local levies. An act designed to drive fear into common Aussies.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 18 Sep 2014 20:34

Looks like US attack on a training camp killed 200 pigs. Tweets from ISIS want to convert amrika into red river.

If only idiots like Regan stopped fanatical attitude to USSR/India and not engaged these pigs in Paki/Afghanistan, world would have been different. Islam would not have become like this.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 19 Sep 2014 00:07

If only idiots like Regan stopped fanatical attitude to USSR/India and not engaged these pigs in Paki/Afghanistan, world would have been different. Islam would not have become like this.

Why not ?!
US may have played as a midwife in many cases but what makes you think that Islam would have turned into anything else but this.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Sep 2014 01:45

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... amic-state
Dabiq: The Strategic Messaging of the Islamic State
Aug 15, 2014 - Harleen K Gambhir

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham’s (ISIS) assault on the city of Mosul on June 10, 2014 demonstrated its formidable military strength. ISIS’s activities across Iraq and Syria also reveal that the organization is engaged in governance programs, ranging from Shari’a courts to aid distribution and law enforcement. These efforts underscore ISIS’s desire to erect a functional Caliphate within the boundaries of its controlled territory. That effort requires political and religious control in addition to military victory, and ISIS has a vision for how the Caliphate will form. ISIS has begun to explain its grand strategy to achieve this end through extensive public outreach, including a digital magazine series entitled Dabiq. This backgrounder will examine the contents of the first issue of Dabiq in detail, explaining the significance of this strategic messaging approach by ISIS in conjunction with the announcement of a Caliphate.

ISIS’s political, military, and religious programs reflect what ISIS seeks to accomplish. Some of the richest sources of information on these three linked efforts derive from ISIS’s own publications. ISIS’s reports and magazines reveal how ISIS frames and justifies its activities to particular audiences. The intended audiences are noteworthy: a number of ISIS’s new periodicals are published and promoted primarily in English, with translations into other languages, such as French, German, Russian, and Arabic, released alongside. Two of the organization’s recent long-form English-language publications, both entitled Dabiq, lend particular insight into ISIS’s claim to religious authority on the basis of political control. Both also explain how ISIS relates these programs to the requirement for military control. Released digitally on July 5, 2014, a month after the fall of Mosul, the first Dabiq installment provides English-language readers with battlefield updates, administrative reporting, and religious commentary. A second edition, released on July 27, 2014, follows the same format. The main effort of this outreach campaign appears to be the explanation for the Caliphate’s propriety and existence.

This backgrounder will focus primarily upon the content of the first Dabiq magazine, which carefully narrates the practical ideology upon which the Islamic State is founded. Through this analysis of ISIS’s own propaganda, the holistic state-building project of the Islamic State becomes visible. The magazine was distributed digitally primarily in English and other European languages, and the content carefully builds off a basic set of Islamic religious concepts. As such, it is likely that the magazine aims to communicate both to enemies and to potential ISIS supporters in the Western world. The target audience and essential message of the Dabiq series differs significantly from the Western-language messaging campaign of al-Qaeda. Begun in 2010, al-Qaeda’s English-language magazine Inspire does articulate religious justification. However, Inspire specifically focuses on encouraging lone-wolf Western-based terrorists to attack the West. Inspire serves more as a how-to guide for individual attacks than an articulation of an overall religious, military, and political vision. By contrast, ISIS’s Dabiq series is farther-reaching, laying out the religious underpinning of the Caliphate and encouraging all believing Muslims to support ISIS and emigrate from their homes to the Islamic State.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Sep 2014 01:49

I am guessing that the Shia part of Iraq will eventually merge with Iran while ISIS will become a new nation of former 1/2 Iraq, Syria, and parts of Jordan and Lebanon.

The age old shia-sunni rivalry will continue!!! Shia currently looks like the weaker side (and also with less oil/economy)!!!

Anand K · Post by **Anand K** » 19 Sep 2014 09:51

New Islamic State Video Features British Hostage as Group Spokesman

Who's doing media strategy for these guys? I'm sure some top school Marketing Dept or a "Boutique Consultant" would consider giving him a plush post, a-la Op Paperclip Redux.

member_28705 · Post by **member_28705** » 19 Sep 2014 19:12

An old video but still worth watching. It was new for me, and I was horrified to say the least.

She basically says in the video that she wants ALL jews to be hunted down. Now, imagine a non-muslim saying that in a muslim country.