Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)

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The Big Pharaoh
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I mistakenly said that this ISIS member is Chinese, he's not, he's Japanese. Meet Hassan Konakata

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https://twitter.com/TheBigPharaoh/statu ... 9387680769
Google search turns up:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Hassan+K ... 3&ie=UTF-8

Also:
Israeli official: Nine Japanese join Islamic State
After the head of the US Armed Forces' Pacific Command said that about 1,000 recruits from Asia joined Islamic State to fight in Syria or Iraq, Japanese official claims Israel told him Japanese have also joined radical group.
Reuters
Published: 09.26.14, 14:16 / Israel News

Nine Japanese nationals have joined Islamic State, Japan's former air force chief, Toshio Tamogami, quoted a senior Israeli government official as saying, but the government's top spokesman said on Friday it had not confirmed the information.

Meanwhile, a senior US military commander said that around 1,000 recruits from the vast region stretching from India to the Pacific may have joined Islamic State to fight in Syria or Iraq.

Tamogami, Japan's former air force chief, now a senior official of a tiny new political party, said on his blog that Nissim Ben Shitrit, the director-general of Israel's foreign ministry, told him this month that nine Japanese had taken part in Islamic State.

Asked about the possible participation of Japanese citizens in the militant group, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told a regular news conference, "The government has not confirmed such information."

No one was immediately available for comment at the Israeli embassy in Tokyo, at the Israeli foreign ministry or at the Japanese foreign ministry.

Tamogami told Reuters that no details besides the number of Japanese participants were given to him in his meeting with Nissim Ben Shitrit, a former ambassador to Japan.

"I don't know anything further," Tamogami said. "He was tight-lipped." Tamogami's blog shows the meeting took place on Sept. 12 in Israel.

About 1,000 recruits from a vast region stretching from India to the Pacific may have joined Islamic State to fight in Syria or Iraq, the head of the US Armed Forces' Pacific Command, Admiral Samuel Locklear, said on Thursday...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 22,00.html
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wig wrote:Woman 'beheaded' in Oklahoma by colleague-Alton Nolen allegedly beheaded a co-worker after being fired from his job where he had recently tried to convert people to Islam
A woman has been beheaded in an Oklahoma food processing plant by a sacked employee who had allegedly tried to convert his colleagues to Islam.


Alton Nolen, 30, walked into the Vaughan Foods plant plant in Moore Oklahoma and decapitated Colleen Hufford, 54, with a knife and then attacked a second women, Traci Johnson, 43.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ahoma.html
More information coming in that this incident of beheading by a convert to Mohammaddenism was a Mohammadden religion motivated act. Mohammadden convert involved in beheading was “shouting Islamic phrases” during attack:

Fired Muslim convert store-worker who beheaded female colleague after losing his job was 'shouting Islamic phrases' as he carried out his bloody rampage
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Islam and its interpretations - Hasan Suroor, The Hindu

I strongly urge everyone to read this brilliant op-ed and comment if possible.
What is Islam?

I know Islam’s critics will be dying to answer this question, but it is more important to hear it from Muslims themselves because, after all, it is their conflicting interpretations of Islam which are behind so much of the confusion and mayhem around the world. A religion of peace, yet a religion which is invoked to wreak such mindless violence. A religion which is said to accord dignity, respect and equality to women; yet a religion in which a woman’s testimony is only half as good as a man’s. A religion which exhorts its followers to gain knowledge even if it means “going to China”; yet some of whose most noisy campaigners despise knowledge and are prepared to kill little girls for attending school. And a religion which preaches tolerance and coexistence; yet which has become synonymous with hate and intolerance.

So, what is Islam really about?

Islamic theology


In his book, What Is History?, E.H. Carr urged people to read the historian before they read his or her history in order to get a sense of where that historian is coming from. Many Muslims will say that the same analogy applies to Islam: its interpretation depends on who is interpreting it. So, extremists will interpret it to suit their own agenda while moderate Muslims would offer a different interpretation. But the trouble with this explanation is that it is at odds with the claim that Islam is so perfect, that it is beyond debate or interpretation. Its teachings and edicts are meant to be immutable. Take it or leave it. This claim itself then takes a knock when we hear so many bewilderingly different interpretations that, let alone non-Muslims, even ordinary Muslims are left confused and frustrated. A healthy internal debate is one thing, but tawdry public disputes over the fundamentals of Islam — jihad, sharia, caliphate — is quite another.

What, then, is the problem?

To be fair, it is not entirely the fault of interpreters, and in this I include those who wilfully misinterpret it to promote their sectarian or extremist ideas. The potential for misinterpretation and misunderstanding lies in Islamic theology itself. The Koranic text is a minefield of ambiguity, allowing people to cherry-pick its equivocal and often contradictory verses to back their argument. Similarly, it is easy to manipulate Hadith (a compilation of Prophet Mohammad’s sayings and teachings), another major source of legitimacy for Islamic acts. This is because they are too numerous, were pronounced in vastly different situations, and compiled many years after his death with the result that their precise meaning was frequently lost in translation. Sometimes they were quoted outside the original context. They are routinely plucked out of context to support bizarre claims.

Then there is the problem of “inauthentic” Hadith — sayings attributed to the Prophet which he may or may not have uttered. Even many authentic Hadith have been found to be flawed because of misinterpretation or contextual errors.
On jihad

We have seen a great deal of quibbling over the meaning of jihad. Muslims insist that the “real” concept of jihad does not involve violence and bears no resemblance to Islamists’ interpretation of it. The “real” or “greater” jihad, they say, means a peaceful inner spiritual struggle. An armed struggle against an external enemy is regarded as “lesser” jihad and permitted only in specific circumstances — for example, in self-defence. Theoretically true. Yet, it is also true that around the dining table in Muslim households, the term jihad is invariably used in its violent sense and mentioned in the same breath as “kaafirs.” I grew up in an extremely liberal environment, but I don’t recall, in private conversations, jihad ever being referred to in its philosophical sense. In Indian Muslim discourse, the term normally used for personal struggles, whether social, economic or emotional, is “jaddo jehad” derived from Urdu.

Extremists can be accused of inventing circumstances that, in their opinion, would justify violent jihad, or of targeting the wrong “enemy,” and using appallingly brutal methods of executing their “jihad.” But they cannot be accused of inventing the notion of violent jihad itself. There is no denying the streak of violence which — according to distinguished British Pakistani Islamic scholar Ziauddin Sardar — is “inherent” in Islam. But that is not the point. All religions, especially those which set out to gain followers through proselytisation and to conquer empires, have violent histories. Campaigns to “Christianise” Pagan Europe in the Middle Ages were not always peaceful, and then, of course, there is the bloody history of Inquisition and the Crusades.

To a large extent, Islam is often wrongly and wilfully portrayed as being somehow unique in having had a violent history. But what is unique about Islam is that while other religious movements, particularly Christianity, got over their early violent origins, it failed to move on and update its theological precepts. There has been no Islamic equivalent of Enlightenment and Renaissance, and the Islamic mindset remains awkwardly out of step with historical progress, and therefore with modern times — a hiatus reinforced by attempts to assert an Islamic identity through beards and hijabs.

But to return to the question, “what is Islam?” ask any Muslim and they will solemnly enumerate all its nobler aspects: its emphasis on community and oneness which has made it the world’s fastest growing religion; its rejection of caste or class; the spirit of inquiry it fosters; its command not to bow to any temporal authority (thumbs down for authoritarianism and dictatorship); its stress on simple and spartan living; a unique system of zakat to prevent concentration of wealth in a few individual hands; a complete “no, no” to social and economic exploitation; and its egalitarianism. Prophet Mohammed personally oversaw huge reforms in the pre-Islamic slavery practices in Arabia and appointed a former Ethiopian slave, Bilal Ibn Ribah as the first Muezzin in Islam after helping him gain freedom.

Faces of Islam

Muslims will cite Koranic verses and Hadith to underline Islamic injunctions against violence; its command to treat women with respect and accord them equality; its message of tolerance, love, brotherhood, and its exhortation that we treat even our enemies with respect and try to win them over through love and persuasion rather than force. But this is one face of Islam. It also has another, less pleasant, face. For, the Islam preached by the Taliban and their fellow travellers is also Islam; and if you ask them, they will also cite Koranic verses and Hadith to back their claims. Their methods may be extreme but their philosophy does derive legitimately from the same Islamic theology that the good face of Islam does. Muslims must stop being in denial about it.

And this brings us back to what lies at the heart of the problem with Islam — namely the somewhat rough-and-ready nature of the fundamentals of Islamic sources, including the Koran, the central religious text of Islam comprising truths which, Muslims believe, were revealed to the Prophet by Allah from time to time until his death. The Koranic text, in the form of “aayts’’ (verses), is not thematically linked nor provides context with the result that an “aayt” which might have originated in a specific context is sometimes contradicted by another “aayt” on the subject but stated in a different context. This allows a free-for-all scramble for people to grab what might suit them in a given situation. Hence the confusion and the spectacle of extremists and their opponents both quoting the Koran in support of their positions. There is a similar confusion over Hadith, as explained earlier.

The way out is for an Islamic equivalent of the New Testament. Learned Islamic scholars need to put their heads together and present basic scriptures in a manner that the meaning and context of every “aayt” and every Hadith is made unambiguously clear, leaving no room for misinterpretation or misrepresentation. This annotated text should then be declared as the authorised version of Islamic beliefs. Otherwise, we will continue to struggle to understand what real Islam is while leaving the field open for fanatics to distort it at will.

(Hasan Suroor is the author of India’s Muslim Spring: Why Is Nobody Talking About It? E-mail: hasan.suroor@gmail.com)
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SSridhar wrote:The way out is for an Islamic equivalent of the New Testament. Learned Islamic scholars need to put their heads together and present basic scriptures in a manner that the meaning and context of every “aayt” and every Hadith is made unambiguously clear, leaving no room for misinterpretation or misrepresentation. This annotated text should then be declared as the authorised version of Islamic beliefs. Otherwise, we will continue to struggle to understand what real Islam is while leaving the field open for fanatics to distort it at will.
Blasphemy! A "new testament-type" version of the quran, aayats and hadiths will negate the basic foundation of islam, viz, the Mo's sayings and experiences can not be altered. That's why islam prohibits translations (from arabic to...). Only the ottomans had succeeded in this. The meanings of such verses, however unclear or faulty they may be, are left to individual (maulvi-led) interpretations. That's why they have competing fartwas. Besides, how can the rest of the civilized world expect 1.5 billion muzzies to agree on one common interpretation of all the venom that the quran and hadiths have to spew? Good luck!
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Something like the Amman Message where some standards were laid down, but on a 1000X scale perhaps?

PS: Not many Muslims know about the 2 + 16 year project that led to the present day Quran. Or that at least 4 other versions [albeit with only minor differences apparently] were destroyed in Caliph Usman's time to make way for the current version. OTOH some knowledgeable ones say that even though most of the Huffaz [plural for Hafiz] were killed in Yamama, the original designated scribe, Zayd Thabit, was still alive and possessed original notes and possessed perfect memory. So there was no corruption of the message - QED!
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https://twitter.com/hasansuroor

An interesting character...

The article is a courageous one. He risks being on the receiving a fartwa or the label of being wajibul qatl
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Heh, typical "moderate" muslim doing taqiyya. His twitter feed is full with anti-modi rants nonetheless if the pic is his then looks ripe to go ahead and join URA.
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JE Menon wrote:The article is a courageous one. He risks being on the receiving a fartwa or the label of being wajibul qatl
Absolutely JEM. Some commentators have mentioned that in the comments section.
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SSridhar wrote:The way out is for an Islamic equivalent of the New Testament. Learned Islamic scholars need to put their heads together and present basic scriptures in a manner that the meaning and context of every “aayt” and every Hadith is made unambiguously clear, leaving no room for misinterpretation or misrepresentation. This annotated text should then be declared as the authorised version of Islamic beliefs. Otherwise, we will continue to struggle to understand what real Islam is while leaving the field open for fanatics to distort it at will.
anupmisra wrote: Blasphemy! A "new testament-type" version of the quran, aayats and hadiths will negate the basic foundation of islam, viz, the Mo's sayings and experiences can not be altered. That's why islam prohibits translations (from arabic to...). Only the ottomans had succeeded in this. The meanings of such verses, however unclear or faulty they may be, are left to individual (maulvi-led) interpretations. That's why they have competing fartwas. Besides, how can the rest of the civilized world expect 1.5 billion muzzies to agree on one common interpretation of all the venom that the quran and hadiths have to spew? Good luck!
Anand K wrote:Something like the Amman Message where some standards were laid down, but on a 1000X scale perhaps?

PS: Not many Muslims know about the 2 + 16 year project that led to the present day Quran. Or that at least 4 other versions [albeit with only minor differences apparently] were destroyed in Caliph Usman's time to make way for the current version. OTOH some knowledgeable ones say that even though most of the Huffaz [plural for Hafiz] were killed in Yamama, the original designated scribe, Zayd Thabit, was still alive and possessed original notes and possessed perfect memory. So there was no corruption of the message - QED!
Saars,
any comments about this theory about the origins of malsI?
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THE ARABS - WHO IS AN ARAB?

The Turks and their Mulattoes, along with the usual suspects of European Albinos wishing to write Blacks out of history, have managed to control the conversation so far.

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We find it so strange to use an Albino institution for a modicum of truth in the contrived conversation of lies concerning Arabs, but here it is.


UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER
WHO IS AN ARAB?



W. Montgomery Watt and Pierre Cachia

Over a hundred million people in the world call themselves Arabs. That is to say the least, a potential force in world politics, quite apart from the question of oil. Yet many observers are inclined to doubt whether there is any reality underlying the common use of the term Arab. And it is indeed not easy to define what is meant by an Arab.

The Arabs are not a distinct ethnic group, since there are both white Arabs and black arabs. Some of the black Sudanese Arabs claim descent ln the male line from Arabs of Mohammed's time, and may well be correct in their claim. Nor is language a sufficient criterion of Arabness since there are many Arabic-speaking jews who are not normally called Arabs. The figure of a hundred million come from the populations of the states in the Arab League. For membership ln the Arab League the primary criterion appears to be language: but, despite the presence of Lebanon, which is half Christian, this tends to be coupled with the acceptance of Arab-Islamic culture.

Modern Arab intellectuals are well aware of the difficulty in defining an Arab. As long ago as December, 1938, a conference of Arab students in Europe, held in Brussels, declared that "all who are Arab in their language, culture and loyalty (or "national feeling") are Arabs." Some of the same intellectuals, however, have spoken of the present disunity of the Arabs as the result of European imperialism during the last century or more. It does not take much knowledge of history to demonstrate that is a complete misconception.

The only time Arabs have been politically united was from about A. D. 634 to 750. Before Mohammed they were divided into feuding tribes, and not all the tribes entered into alliance with him. The so-called wars of the Apostasy that followed his death ended in unity under the second caliph, and this unity continued until about 750, with the Arabs as a ruling elite in an empire stretching from Spain to the Punjab and Central Asia. Soon after 750, however, the Arabs of Spain formed an independent government and in the following centuries other dynasties gained varying degrees of autonomy. lt often happened that two rulers, both nominally owing their appointment to the politically powerless caliph (or emperor), would fight bitterly to extend their territories at the other's expense. Where there was an opportunity, the local Muslim princelings were ready to ally themselves with a Christian princeling against Muslim rival: this happened both in Spain and in the Crusading period in Syria. So much for the myth of political unity.

At the same time, there was always an impressive cultural unity. Even before Mohammed there was some common cultural awareness among the Arabs. The very word Arab has the connotation of "people who speak clearly." and is contrasted with ajam, or "people who speak indistinctly." Though ajam came to be used specially of Persians, the contrast is similar to that between Greeks and "barbarians." Arabic literature was vigorously cultivated in Spain under Muslim rule. Most rulers and courtiers could write tolerable arabic verse, and a few achieved true elegance. One or two scholars knew by heart vast amounts of the poetry of the leading authors of Syria and Baghdad and the poetical standards of the heartlands still guided taste in Andalusia. At different times several local poets were dubbed "the Mutanabbi of the West." In much the same way, one called a man "the Milton of America."

Outstanding works from Baghdad quickly made their way to Spain and were studied and commented on. Indeed, in various ways the Arabs of Spain were more Arab than those of the heartlands, perhaps because of their relative isolation in a somewhat alien environment. While one may emphasize the distinctive Iberian character of the Arab literature of Spain, the Arabic language used in Spain remains very close to the classical models. Thus Arab culture has been a potent unifying force even in the face of great political disunity.

The beginning of the twentieth century saw many of the Arab countries nominally parts of the Ottoman Empire: that is, they were under non Arab Muslim rule. This was officially the case with Egypt, although de facto Egypt was being ruled by Britain, as was also the "Anglo-Egyptian Sudan." Algeria was ruled by the French, who also had some say in Morocco and Tunisia. World War I freed the Arabs from the Ottoman Empire, but brought many of them varying degrees of European tutelage. Only in the early 1950's did most of the Arabs become completely independent. Through this whole period, however, there has been no significant progress toward Political union. As long as the Arabs were under foreign occupation it was easy for them to claim that only imperialism divided them, that their separate "national struggles" were in fact common cause and that union would be easily achieved once the foreigners were ousted. Some twenty years of independence have given the lie to this hope.

The League of Arab States was founded in 1945 by Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria. Transjordan and Yemen. It has since grown to include Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, the Sudan, and various smaller states like Kuwait. Its aim, however, has never been unity but only cooperation, and even this limited goal has sometimes proved very difficult in the political field. The chief successes of the League have probably been in cultural matters, such as the formation of a library including microfilms of rare manuscripts.

There have been numerous more specific proposals for union, but these have now been forgotten or have turned sour. Egypt has been involved in a number of such projects: the unity of the Nile Valley (with the Sudan), the United Arab Republic (with Syria, which function for a short time and then was dissolved), federation with Yemen, and a union with Libya. Then there have been projects of a Greater Syria and a union of the Fertile Crescent (Syria an Iraq). None of these has worked in practice. While some Arabs have pushed idealistic proposals for unity, others seem determined to press their quarrels, both old and new. There was deep-rooted dynastic rivalry between the family ruling Saudi Arabia and the Hashemite family of Jordan and Iraq. Morocco and Algeria have yet to agree on the border between them (an important factor in Hassan's attempted nonviolent march into the Spanish Sahara in November, 1975). Iraq, in its greed for oil, threatened Kuwait. During the civil war in the Yemen, Egypt backed the republicans and Saudi Arabia the monarchists. And of course, Gamai Abdai Nasser of Egypt quarreled with Qasim of Iraq over who should be the leader of the Arabs.

Along with all this, however, strong cultural affinities have persisted throughout the Arab world. A literary movement in one country quickly spreads to the others. Around 1930, for example, similar "romantic" features were to be seen in the poetry of Syrian exiles in America, of the Egyptian "Apollo" group, and of the Tunisian ash-Shabbi, the last having been born in an oasis of the interior. Similarly, the "free verse" movement, which appeared in Iraq in 1949, has spread as far as Morocco. Nor is the sense of cultural affinity restricted to intellectuals. The Algerian man in the street clearly has a stronger feeling of Kinship with the Asian fellow-Arab of Iraq than with the non- Arab fellow-African of Mali.

This long story of Political disunity and cultural affinity is not the end of the matter. There are other forces at work beneath the surface, and we may today be witnessing a shift of emphasis that could, over time, prove crucial. The crucial Question is that of religion. For many centuries the basis of cultural affinity has been primarily religious. The religion of Islam provided the historical impetus creating the vast society to which the Arabs belonged. Intellectual disciplines associated with religion were the flywheel that maintained a steady, even movement. Within the community of Muslims, however, there was the still stronger bond of the Arabic Language. Arabic had a special status as the language of revelation. Arabic linguistic and literary standards remained remarkably homogeneous in the various regions of the Arab world and even in other Islamic provinces. This is the way it has been for centuries.



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TO BE CLEAR!
THE ARABIAN PENINSULA IS MAINLY A HOT, HOT, DESERT.
MECCA'S UV (ultra violet) INDEX IS THE MAX. OF (11) FOR MOST OF THE YEAR.

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WHITE OR "ALMOST" WHITE PEOPLE COULD NOT SURVIVE IN ARABIA WITHOUT BEING COVERED FROM "HEAD-TO-TOE" WITH CLOTHING!
THE NOTION THAT THESE PEOPLE COULD BE NATIVE TO ARABIA IS A SILLY JOKE TO MOST, AND A CRUEL HOAX TO THOSE "PALE" PEOPLE SO TAUGHT.

Note: Just as modern Christian culture is far removed from ancient Hebrew culture - it is now European culture. So too is modern Arab culture far removed from original Arab culture - it is now Turkish culture. During the time of the Turkish Ottoman Empire (1299 - 1922), Islam was not known as the Arab religion, it was known as the Turkish religion.

The Thawb (Arab Robes) Emblematic of Arab culture, is not Arab at all. The original Arabs, like the Egyptians, Berbers, Mesopotamian's, Elamites/Persians: had Black skin, they did not need the Head to Toe protection from the Sun, that the Thawb affords. It is not known who invented the Thawb, but it is known that even though the Turks once ruled from Baghdad, they hated to go there because of the hot climate and burning Sunshine. Being that the original Turks were a very pale skinned people who needed protection from the Sun, it is likely that they invented the Thawb.

Modern man of Turkic ethnicity in a Thawb
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Even with all of the above proofs and logic, we know that there are those delusional "Many" who will still insist that those Turks and Turk Mulattoes are really Arabs. In answer to those delusional people, we offer these comments:


François Auguste Ferdinand Mariette (1821 – 1881) French scholar, Archaeologist, Egyptologist, and the founder of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

"OUTLINES OF ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HISTORY"

TRANSLATED AND EDITED, WITH NOTES, BY MARY BRODRICK
With, an Introductory Note by William C. Winslow, D.D., D.C.L.
LL.D., Vice-President of the Egypt Exploration Fund for the United States

CHARLES SCRIBNER'S SONS, NEW YORK, 1892

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"How often do we see in Eastern monarchies and even in European states a difference of origin between the ruling class, to which the royal family belongs, and the mass of the people! We need not leave Western Asia and Egypt; we find there Turks ruling over nations to the race of which they do not belong, although they have adopted their religion. In the same way as the Turks of Baghdad, who are Finns, now reign over Semites, Turanian kings may have led into Egypt and governed a population of mixed origin where the Semitic element was prevalent. If we consider the mixing up of races which took place in Mesopotamia in remote ages, the invasions which the country had to suffer, the repeated conflicts of which it was the theatre, there is nothing extraordinary that populations coming out of this land should have presented a variety of races and origins."

“The inhabitants of this part of Arabia nearly all belong to the race of Himyar. Their complexion is almost as black as the Abyssinians,”-- Baron von Maltzan, 'Geography of Southern Arabia' (1872)

“ [the Hamida are] small chocolate colored beings, stunted and thin… with mops of bushy hair… straggling beards , vicious eyes, frowning brows … armed with scabbards slung over the shoulder and Janbiyyah daggers…” a people “of the great Hejazi tribe that has kept his blood pure for the last 13 centuries…”-- Sir Richard Burton (1879)

“The people of Dhufar are of the Qahtan tribe, the sons of Joktan mentioned in Genesis: they are of Hamitic or African rather than Arab types…”--Arnold Wilson, The Geographical Journal (1927)

“the most prosperous tribe of all the Hamitic group, possessing innumerable camels, herds of cattle and the richest frankincense country. They resemble the Bisharin tribe of the Nubian desert. Men of big bone , they have long faces long narrow jaws, noses of a refined shape long curly hair and brown skin.”--Richmond Palmer (1929)

“Mahra is the Arab name for the Bedouin tribes who are different in appearance to other Arabs, having almost beardless faces, fuzzy hair and dark pigmentation – such as the Qarra, Mahra and Harasis… Also on “…the Qarra, Mahra and Harasis with parts of other tribes. The language is derived from the language of the Sabaeans, Minaeans and Himyarites. The Mahra with other Southern Arabian peoples seem aligned to the Hamitic race of north-east Africa… The Mahra are believed to be descended from the Habasha, who colonized Ethiopia in the first millennium BC”-- David Phillips, Peoples on the Move (2001)

“European observers have made much of their physical resemblance to Somalis and Ethiopians, but there is no historical evidence of any connections.”-- E. Peterson, 'Oman’s Diverse Society: Southern Oman'
“Mr. Baldwin draws a marked distinction between the modern Mahomedan Semitic population of Arabia and their great Cushite, Hamite, or Ethiopian predecessors. The former, he says, ‘are comparatively modern in Arabia,’ they have ‘appropriated the reputation of the old race,’ and have unduly occupied the chief attention of modern scholars.”-- Charles Hardwick (1872)

“Among ‘these Negroid features which may be counted normal in Arabs are the full,rather everted lips, shortness and width of nose, certain blanks in the bearded areas of the face between the lower lip and chin and on the cheeks; large, luscious,gazelle-like eyes, a dark brown complexion, and a tendency for the hair to grow in ringlets. Often the features of the more Negroid Arabs are derivatives of Dravidian India rather than inheritances of Hamitic Africa. Although the Arab of today is sharply differentiated from the Negro of Africa, yet there must have been a time when both were represented by a single ancestral stock; in no other way can the prevalence of certain Negroid features be accounted for in the natives of Arabia.”-- Henry Field, Anthropology Memoirs Volume 4 (1902)
“There is a considerable mass of evidence to show that there was a very close resemblance between the proto-Egyptians and the Arabs before either became intermingled with Armenoid racial elements.”-- Elliot Smith, he Ancient Egyptians and the Origins of Civilization (1923)

“In Arabia the first inhabitants were probably a dark-skinned, shortish population intermediate, between the African Hamites and the Dravidians of India and forming a single African Asiatic belt with these.”-- Handbook of the Territories which form the Theater of Operations of the Iraq Petroleum Company Limited and its Associated Companies

In scouring for these comments, one can't help but wonder: Who in the hell could possibly believe that Pale people could be native to a Hot land with burning Sunshine and a UV index guaranteed to fry all but the darkest people. It's delusional, just delusional!




The Arabs

Though by the White Mans edict, not a part of Africa. The people of the Arabian Peninsula and Africa have freely interchanged since man first walked the Earth. All of the people of the Desert regions from the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf share a similar physical type, Black skin color (pale skinned people would not survive long in the Desert - Turkish Wives stayed in the tents), lifestyle and culture.

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Assyrian troops pursuing Arabs on camels
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By the date that this panel was carved, the Arab tribes of northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Sinai were becoming increasingly important. They relied for long-distance travel and rapid movement on the one-humped camel or dromedary, which had been domesticated in Arabia. The Arabs first appear in Assyrian records in the ninth century B.C. Texts tell of tribes, often led by queens, living in the southern borders of the Assyrian Empire. Sometimes they guarded the borders, escorted armies in desert country, and controlled the caravan trade, especially the lucrative incense trade from Yemen.

Some tribes were also ready to take advantage of any sign of weakness in the central government. They then raided settled communities, supported rebellions, robbed caravans, and disrupted communications. The Assyrian kings launched several attacks against them without much success, since the Arabs conducted guerilla-style warfare, and were usually able to escape into the desert. Both the Assyrians and their successors, the Babylonian and Persian kings, tried to maintain peaceful relations with Arabia by threats and diplomacy. one Babylonian king, Nabonidus (555-539 B.C.) resided for several years at Teima, a centre of the incense trade in Saudi Arabia.

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THE TURKS TAKE CONTROL OF ARABIA
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The Turks first started usurping the Arabs when the Seljuq Turk chief Toghril Beg proclaimed himself sultan at Neyshabur in 1038. Toghril entered Baghdad in December 1055, and the Arab caliph al-Qa'im (reigned 1031–75) enthroned him, and married a Seljuq princess.

The Turks took direct control of Arabia when Sultan Mahmud II (1808-39), ordered his viceroy/governor of Egypt, the Turkic Albanian Muhammad Ali, to send an expedition to Arabia: which between 1811 and 1813 expelled the Arab Wahhabis from the Hejaz. In a further campaign (1816-18), Ibrahim Pasha, the viceroy's eldest son, defeated the Wahhabis in their homeland of Najd, and brought central Arabia under Albanian control.

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In 1820-21 Muhammad Ali sent an expedition up the Nile and conquered much of what is now the northern Sudan. By so doing, he made himself master of one of the principal channels of the slave trade, and began an African Empire that was to be expanded under his successors. The conquest of the Sudan was intended to provide recruits. But the slaves, encamped at Aswan, died wholesale, and Muhammad Ali had to look elsewhere for his troops. In 1823 he took to conscripting Egyptian peasants for the rank and file of his new army. On the other hand, the officers were mostly Turkish Ottomans, while the director of the whole enterprise, Sulayman Pasha (Colonel Sève), was a former French officer. The conscription was brutally administered. In 1882 the British once again invaded and occupied Egypt. This occupation was to last until the end of WWI. After which, Egypt became a protectorate of Britain.


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Blacks in the Turkish ruled lands, have their identities stolen by the Turks, and their Mulattoes, after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire.

As with the Berbers, Egyptians, etc. After the breakup of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, and the granting of independence to those countries after WWII, The Arabs saw their identity stolen by Whites (mainly Turks and their mulattoes) and other mixed race people. Thus Egypt is "The Arab Republic of Egypt" Syria is "The Syrian Arab Republic" Libya is "The Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" Jordan is "The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" (Hashemite is the Latinate version of the Arabic transliteration of Hāšimī) and traditionally refers to those belonging to the Banu Hashim Arabs, or "clan of Hashim", a clan within the larger Arab Quraish tribe. It also refers to an Arab dynasty whose original strength stemmed from the network of tribal alliances and blood loyalties in the Hejaz region of Arabia, along the Red Sea. (One can only wonder how sparsely populated Arabia could have possibly produced all of those people - what nonsense)!

A study of Arabian DNA confirms historical accounts of what happened in Arabia.

Mitochondrial DNA structure in the Arabian Peninsula (This is a study of FEMALE Mt-dna)

Click here for a link to the study

Results

The results showed that the Arabian Peninsula has received substantial gene flow from Africa (20%), detected by the presence of L, M1 and U6 lineages; that an 18% of the Arabian Peninsula lineages have a clear eastern provenance, mainly represented by U lineages; but also by Indian M lineages and rare M links with Central Asia, Indonesia and even Australia. However, the bulk (62%) of the Arabian lineages has a Northern source.

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As indicated by the artwork above, a result of the Black Arabs fondness for sex with Albino females, was that this old woman's type below, was supplanted by that of her grandchild.

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Y-dna Haplogroup J-P209 (This is Male dna).

In human population genetics, haplogroups define the major lineages of direct paternal (male) lines back to a shared common ancestor in Africa. Haplogroup J-P209[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its history since the Iron Age has been tied to the great events and migrations in this area and in particular to the Semitic people.

J-P209 is divided into two main subclades (branches) J-M267 and J-M172.

Haplogroup J-M267

In human genetics, Y DNA haplogroup J-M267[Phylogenetics 1] is a subclade (branch) of Y-DNA haplogroup J-P209,[Phylogenetics 2] along with its sibling clade Y DNA haplogroup J-M172. Men from this lineage share a common paternal ancestor, which is demonstrated and defined by the presence of the SNP mutation referred to as M267, which was announced in (Cinnioğlu 2004). This haplogroup is found today in significant frequencies in many areas in order near the Middle East. For example it is among the most frequent haplogroups in Arabian Peninsula, and parts of the Caucasus, Sudan and the Horn of Africa. It is also found in high frequencies in parts of North Africa Jewish groups especially those with Cohen surnames. It can also be found much less commonly, but still occasionally in significant amounts, in Europe and as far east as the Central Asia.

(White people are Dravidian Albinos who migrated from India into Central Asia in search of cooler climates and less intense Sunshine). Jews (Khazars) are a Turkish tribe, quite distinct from Hebrews.

Haplogroup J-M172

In human genetics, Haplogroup J-M172[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subclade (branch) of haplogroup J-P209.[Phylogenetics 2] J-M172 can be classified as Greco-Anatolian, Mesopotamian and/or Caucasian and is linked to the earliest indigenous populations of Anatolia. It was carried by Bronze Age immigrants to Europe, and ultimately descends from the Cro-Magnon population (IJ-M429 Y-DNA) that emerged in Southwest Asia around 35,000 years ago (Sengupta 2006).



In modern Saudi Arabia, the original Arabs (the Black ones) have been relegated to the deserts and the tribal areas in the south at the Yemeni boarder. The preponderance of haplogroup "J" in the Saudi Arabian DNA, suggests that these areas were purposefully avoided or severely under-represented when doing the DNA survey. For it is extremely unlikely that these Qahtan and Wayla tribesmen from the Najran area, close to the border with Yemen, would be of haplogroup "J".

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Saba - Yemen

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Sabaʾ, biblical Sheba, kingdom in pre-Islamic southwestern Arabia, frequently mentioned in the Bible (notably in the story of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba) and variously cited by ancient Assyrian, Greek, and Roman writers from about the 8th century bc to about the 5th century ad. Its capital, at least in the middle period, was Maʾrib, which lies 75 miles (120 km) east of present-day Sanaa, in Yemen. A second major city was Ṣirwāḥ.

The Sabaeans were a Semitic people who, at an unknown date, entered southern Arabia from the north, imposing their Semitic culture on an aboriginal population. Excavations in central Yemen suggest that the Sabaean civilization began as early as the 10th–12th century bc. By the 7th–5th century bc, besides “kings of Sabaʾ ” there were individuals styling themselves “mukarribs of Sabaʾ,” who apparently either were high priest–princes or exercised some function parallel to the kingly function. This middle period was characterized above all by a tremendous outburst of building activity, principally at Maʾrib and Ṣirwāḥ, and most of the great temples and monuments, including the great Maʾrib Dam, on which Sabaean agricultural prosperity depended, date back to this period. Further, there was an ever-shifting pattern of alliances and wars between Sabaʾ and other peoples of southwestern Arabia—not only the important kingdoms of Qatabān and Ḥaḍramawt but also a number of lesser but still independent kingdoms and city-states.

Sabaʾ was rich in spices and agricultural products and carried on a wealth of trade by overland caravan and by sea. For centuries it controlled Bāb el-Mandeb, the straits leading into the Red Sea, and it established many colonies on the African shores. That Abyssinia (Ethiopia) was peopled from South Arabia is proved linguistically; but the difference between the Sabaean and Ethiopian languages is such as to imply that the settlement was very early and that there were many centuries of separation, during which the Abyssinians were exposed to foreign influences. New colonies, however, seem occasionally to have followed, and some parts of the African coast were under the suzerainty of the Sabaean kings as late as the 1st century bc.

Toward the end of the 3rd century ad, a powerful king named Shamir Yuharʿish (who seems incidentally to be the first really historical personage whose fame has survived in the Islamic traditions) assumed the title “king of Sabaʾ and the Dhū Raydān and of Ḥaḍramawt and Yamanāt.” By this time, therefore, the political independence of Ḥaḍramawt had succumbed to Sabaʾ, which had thus become the controlling power in all southwestern Arabia. In the mid-4th century ad, it underwent a temporary eclipse, for the title of “king of Sabaʾ and the Dhū Raydān” was then claimed by the king of Aksum on the east African coast. At the end of the 4th century, southern Arabia was again independent under a “king of Sabaʾ and the Dhū Raydān and Ḥaḍramawt and Yamanāt.” But within two centuries the Sabaeans would disappear as they were successively overrun by Persian adventurers and by the Muslim Arabs.

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The Arabs and Moors were very fond of Turkish women, they kept their Harems well stocked with them.
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The original Turks were a Central Asian Albino people, just like the Germanics and Slavs now in Europe and Russia: And they were just as Pale as the Germanics and Slavs too. However, admixture with the native Blacks of Anatolia, North Africa, The Middle-East, and Arabia, has significantly changed the Turk phenotype.

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(The Qajar dynasty is a Persianized Iranian royal family of Turkic origin, which ruled Persia (Iran) from 1785 to 1925. The Qajar family took full control of Iran in 1794 after deposing Lotf 'Ali Khan, the last of the Zand dynasty rulers - who were also foreigners).


Today - with the help of European Albino media, the Turk mulattoes have completely usurped the Arab identity, along with that of the original North Africans and Middle-Easterns. Today - THIS is what an Arab, Berber, Egyptian, Babylonian, Mesopotamian, Persian, etc. looks like.

Why are the same looking people Everywhere?

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Turk Mulattoes and Quadroons


THE "NEW" ARABS

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Who is Oklahoma beheading suspect Alton Nolen?
While his Facebook page included images of Osama bin Laden and an apparent beheading, there's no indication that Nolen was motivated by terrorism, a second law enforcement official said :rotfl: .
The Facebook page where Nolen posted under the name Yisrael -- confirmed by police to be his -- features a cover photo of fighters holding a machine gun and a rocket propelled grenade launcher :lol: .

It also features numerous messages related to Islam but offers no hint he was planning an attack or that it had anything to do with his religion. The law enforcement official who spoke to CNN on Monday said Nolen had watched beheading videos, but it was unclear if they were linked to ISIS. :mrgreen:
And another law enforcement official told CNN on Monday that there was no indication of a link to terror.
:rotfl:
Nolen's problems at work including getting in trouble for his performance and for trying to convert co-workers to Islam, the second official said.
While it's unclear when Nolen himself converted, his Facebook page abruptly changed from posts featuring song lyrics, talk about football and other topics to posts almost exclusively related to Islam in April 2013 -- shortly after he was released from prison.

Among the posts are screeds condemning the United States as "wicked" for failing to help Palestinians during the recent hostilities with Israel.

His last post condemned masturbation. :eek:
"The only time I ever said anything to him was one time," Saad Mohammed, spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, told KOCO. "He was in the mosque and he had his Quran and prayer rug on the floor. And I said, 'Hey, pick it up because I don't want the Quran on the floor.' And he picked it up and he sat down. That's it."
The above article is reaching Indian levels of sickularism, or is a brilliant parody. Perhaps, going forward, this is the manner in which such stories should be covered. Point out all the links, and yet stress that "Islam has nothing to do with it".
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Effective combatting of Mohammadden Terrorist intimidation of Non-Mohammaddens, will require the coming together of more and more Counter-Jihad forces as in this case where Myanmar’s Buddhist 969 group joins hands with Sri Lanka’s Buddhist “Bodu Bala Sena” group in a Counter-Jihad alliance:

Buddhist monk to fight 'jihad threat' : Ashin Wirathu, of Myanmar's 969 group, tells Sri Lankan group BBS he will help combat "Muslim extremists".
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BTW, people, does that Bani Khalid fellow in the photograph, from Al Hasa/Al Qatif region, have a tilak on his forehead or is that a photographic artefact?
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johneeG were the links given by you written by a Pakistani, because nobody else in the arab world would classify Pakis as Arabs, although we Indians would not mind them being classified as Arabs.
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SSridhar wrote:Islam and its interpretations - Hasan Suroor, The Hindu

I strongly urge everyone to read this brilliant op-ed and comment if possible.

(Hasan Suroor is the author of India’s Muslim Spring: Why Is Nobody Talking About It? E-mail: hasan.suroor@gmail.com)
SSridhar Ji :

Hasan Suroor is as sincere in his so called INTERPRETATION of the "Peaceful Religion of Islam" - a gross act of mis-interpretation - as was the SINCERITY of the Father of Pakistan i.e. the Qaid-E-Azam Mohammed Ali Jinnah was when he "read" his speech in the Pakistan Constitution Assemby on 11th August 2014.

ANY SECULAR OR FOR THAT MATTER DEMOCRATIC AND TOLERANT CREDENTIALS ATTRIBUTED TO THE WORLD’S ONLY RELIGION OF PEACE ARE CHIMERICAL, FANCIED, HALLUCINATORY, HYPOTHETICAL, ILLUSORY, INSUBSTANTIAL, LEGENDRY, MISSING, MYTHICAL, NON-EXISTENT, AND ARE TOTALLY AS WELL AS UNEQUIVOCALLY UNREAL.

The Islamic Jihadi Terrorists' Interpretation is the real one which the followers of the World's only Religion will follow.

You can take that to the Bank!

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arun wrote:Effective combatting of Mohammadden Terrorist intimidation of Non-Mohammaddens, will require the coming together of more and more Counter-Jihad forces as in this case where Myanmar’s Buddhist 969 group joins hands with Sri Lanka’s Buddhist “Bodu Bala Sena” group in a Counter-Jihad alliance:

Buddhist monk to fight 'jihad threat' : Ashin Wirathu, of Myanmar's 969 group, tells Sri Lankan group BBS he will help combat "Muslim extremists".
arun Ji

Ek Din Aisa Awat Hai Jub Chandan Bhi Aag Ugalnay Lug Jawat Hai!

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Despite the strongly dampening effect on religion motivated violence brought about by the presence of a large Non-Mohammadden population relative to other Mohammadden majority countries, Voice of America reports religion motivated Mohammadden terrorism has started to become a problem for Malaysia:
Malaysia Struggles to Stop People Joining Jihad

Mahi Ramakrishnan

September 30, 2014 10:38 AM

KUALA LUMPUR—

Malaysian police have arrested three men at Kuala Lumpur International Airport they believe were headed to the Middle East to join Islamist militants in Syria. Authorities say militant groups like the so-called Islamic State have used social media to entice at least three dozen Malaysian Muslims to fight in what they call "jihad" in Syria and Iraq. Counterterrorism police say they are deeply worried about what could happen when these militants return home.

Malaysians fighting alongside Islamist militants in Syria appear in a YouTube video.

This 45-year-old religious scholar, Lotfi Ariffin, had thousands of Malaysian followers on Facebook, plus fan pages dedicated to following his exploits. It was on Facebook that people first learned he had been killed in combat.

In Iraq, another Malaysian blew himself up, killing 25 policemen. …………………………
From here:

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Asyyrian Ashurbanipal orr Punjabi Ashu Rai Banipal or Ashur Banipal or AShurra Banipal?
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Buddhist hardliners strike deal - AP, The Hindu
A Myanmar Buddhist monk and a Sri Lankan ultranationalist, both known for campaigning against Muslims have formally signed an agreement to work together to protect Buddhism.

Ashin Wirathu leads the fundamentalist 969 movement that has been accused of instigating deadly violence against minority Muslims in Myanmar. He was a special invitee on Sunday at a rally of Bodu Bala Sena (BBS), or Buddhist Power Force, which claims minority Muslims are trying to take over Sri Lanka by having more children, marrying Buddhist women and taking over businesses.

Wirathu signed the agreement with Bodu Bala Sena in Colombo on Tuesday after saying at the rally they would join forces. The groups said their agreement involves networking and building the capacity to stabilise Buddhism.
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http://salaam-news.com/2013/11/17/bolly ... m=referral
Former beautiful and sizzling Indian actress Mamta Kulkarni has accepted Islam as best religion. She converted to Islam recently and is living with her husband ‘Vicky Goswami’, who has already converted to Islam. Mamta Kulkarni got married on 10th May, 2013 and is living in Nairobi, Kenya with her husband.

In this modern age, the non-Muslims are converting to Islam considering it the best religion in the world. The Indian Bollywood Actress, who got fame due to her movie ‘Ghatak’ has converted to Islam. Mamta Kulkarni’s husband Vicky Goswami was arrested by the UAE police in 1997 in drug smuggling case. Vicky Goswami was sentenced 25 years in jail, but released in November 2012. His conversion to Islam was the main reason of major reduction in his punishment.

Mamta Kulkarni got married with Goswami, when he was in jail. She was managing her husband’s hotel business outside during his punishment. She was in a relationship with Goswami, and their relation has turned into a long lasting relation, as the couple has got married.
Naturally. Take a drug smuggler and tell him he can come out of jail if he converts - he will feel Islamis the best religion on earth. Islam may well be the fastest spreading religion on earth in jails.
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shiv wrote:http://salaam-news.com/2013/11/17/bolly ... m=referral
Former beautiful and sizzling Indian actress Mamta Kulkarni has accepted Islam as best religion. She converted to Islam recently and is living with her husband ‘Vicky Goswami’, who has already converted to Islam. Mamta Kulkarni got married on 10th May, 2013 and is living in Nairobi, Kenya with her husband.

In this modern age, the non-Muslims are converting to Islam considering it the best religion in the world. The Indian Bollywood Actress, who got fame due to her movie ‘Ghatak’ has converted to Islam. Mamta Kulkarni’s husband Vicky Goswami was arrested by the UAE police in 1997 in drug smuggling case. Vicky Goswami was sentenced 25 years in jail, but released in November 2012. His conversion to Islam was the main reason of major reduction in his punishment.

Mamta Kulkarni got married with Goswami, when he was in jail. She was managing her husband’s hotel business outside during his punishment. She was in a relationship with Goswami, and their relation has turned into a long lasting relation, as the couple has got married.
Naturally. Take a drug smuggler and tell him he can come out of jail if he converts - he will feel Islamis the best religion on earth. Islam may well be the fastest spreading religion on earth in jails.

And if she did not convert now, they are doing adultery offcourse, "There is no compulsionin Islam"

Nice report from WikiIslam

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Mamta_Kulkarn ... n_to_Islam

Reports concerning the alleged conversion and marriage of Mamta Kulkarni and Vicky Goswami first started circulating in May 2013. Since then, Kulkarni has stated categorically several times that she is neither married to Goswami nor a follower of Islam. She has in fact demonstrated through her words and actions that she has become a devout follower of Hinduism since her retirement from Bollywood.

A point that is also overlooked by those who propagate these false rumors is that by celebrating the alleged conversion of Mamta Kulkarni and Vicky Goswami, a set of conversions that is said to have been prompted by the unequal laws applied to non-Muslims in the United Arab Emirates, they are effectively celebrating the legalized oppression of non-Muslims that exists in many Islamic societies.
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Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott supports banning the burqua / burka owing to it being a security hazard.

In this matter I cannot fault Mr. Abbott. The burqua / burka by covering the face and being loose fitting provides ample opportunity to cause mischief by obscuring identity and permitting hiding all manner of things under the garment. There have been ample instances reported in the press where burqua has been used as cover to disguise criminal wrongdoers like terrorists, suicide bombers, shoplifters, fleeing criminals and their ilk
Prime Minister Tony Abbott reveals he wishes the burka 'was not worn' in Australia]

……………………… Mr Abbott said Parliament House had to be treated as a secure building.

"It is perfectly appropriate that in certain circumstances people be required to show their face. There can't be one rule for one form of attire and a different rule for another form of attire," he said.

"It has to be the same rules for everyone and if the rules require you to show your face, well, you show your face.

"This is a secure building and it is important that people be able to be identified, it is important that people be able to be recognised as the people for whom a pass has been issued." ………………………
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Prime Minister Tony Abbott reveals he wishes the burka 'was not worn' in Australia
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SSridhar wrote:Buddhist hardliners strike deal - AP, The Hindu
{Snipped}............ He was a special invitee on Sunday at a rally of Bodu Bala Sena (BBS), or Buddhist Power Force, which claims minority Muslims are trying to take over Sri Lanka by ............... marrying Buddhist women {Snipped}............
Love Jihad spreads to Sri Lanka :?:
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Extract from Vijayadashami speech of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat dealing with religion motivated Mohammadden Terrorism and demography changing illegal Mohammadden migration from Bangladesh:
There is a serious upsurge in the jehadi activities in the southern parts of Bharat, especially in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. No effective policy imperatives, efforts are visible in curbing such activities. No visible reduction in smuggling of rare earth minerals from the southern coast has come to notice. In states like West Bengal and Assam, the population imbalance has been caused by illegal migration of a particular community from across the national borders. Near surrender before these fanatic elements and appeasement policy adopted by the ruling parties in these states, have put the life of local Hindu communities, the law and order situation as well as the national security under serious threat in the region. The nation has yet to see the impact of the joint plan of the Central and State governments in putting an effective check on the activities of Jehadi and Naxal extremists and those forces which are helping and promoting them. These extremist groups have presented a serious threat to the internal national security.
From TOI:

Text of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's Vijayadashami speech
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Can any one please redirect me to a post which qouted about some verse in Quran or in some imp scripture...stating tat Muslim kings should wage war on kings in India....I am not sure in what context it was said...but wen I quoted this to muslim friend he is asking for the source...so if anyone in the know can redirect me to that post....If I remember correctly i read tat post 2-3 yrs back... Something similar like this

http://islamicterrorism.wordpress.com/2 ... ind-india/
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It is an interpretion of some Sufi peotry called Ghazwa E Hind

http://www.khaama.com/ghazwa-e-hind-al- ... india-6425
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Hind in ancient arapia referred to the region what is today known as Sindh.
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Apparently this mufti did not get the memo. Murder is the greatest sin, haram in Islam: Grand Mufti
He also urged the Muslims to shun evil, practice unity and teachings of Islam.
The chief mufti urged Muslims to keep away from crimes, such as murder and other evil deeds.
keep a control on yourselves
not to follow their wild wishes
“Blood is being shed… Khawarij (those who seceded from the mainstream Islam) are still among the ranks of Muslims.”
Define evil and murder then.
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JohneeG ji, interesting compilation.

I recall reading in old Arab Islamic texts describing the process of "Arabization" that the original Arab race is dark, whereas the conquered mawaliyoon were light-skinned. The mu'arrabeen (Arabized mawalis) were often referred to by colour and racial terms, in reverse order to the colour-coded race terms used by Euro colonialists in later times, such as white, black, mulatto, etc.

"Red (al-hamra’) refers to non-Arabs due to their fair complexion which predominates amongthem. And the Arabs used to say about the non-Arabs with whom white skin was characteristic, such as the Romans, Persians, and their neighbors: ‘They are red-skinned (al-hamra’)…” al-hamra’ means the Persians and Romans…And the Arabs attribute white skin to the slaves." (Ibn Manzur [Lisan al-arab IV: 209, 210])

Al-Mubarrad (d. 898), the leading figure in the Basran grammatical tradition, claimed: "The Arabs used to take pride in their brown and black complexion (al-sumra wa al-sawād) and they had a distaste for a white and fair complexion (al-ḥumra wa al-shaqra), and they used to say that such was the complexion of the non-Arabs." Ibn Abī al-Ḥadīd, Sharḥ nahj al-balāghah, V:56.

Lisan El-Arab (an old Arabic dictionary) mentions Shamar’s explanation of the hadiths that say that the prophet Mohamed (pbuh) said that he was sent to the blacks and the reds. Shamar explains the hadiths as follows:

قال شمر: يعنـي العرب والعجم والغالب علـى أَلوان العرب السُّمرة والأُدْمَة وعلـى أَلوان العجم البـياض والـحمرة،

"He means (by the blacks and the reds) the Arabs and the non-Arabs and the complexion of most Arabs is brown and jet-black and the complexion of most non-Arabs is white and red."

Shams El-Din Mohamed ibn Ahmed ibn Othman El-Dhahabi (died1374 A.D.) explains the hadith that mentions that a man was “red-skinned as if he was one of the slaves” as follows:

يريد ألقائل أنه في لون ألموالي ألذين سبوا من نصارى ألشام وألروم و ألعجم

"The speaker means that the man was the color of the slaves who were captured from the Christians of Syria and from the Romans and the Persians." Thus, it was common for the Arabs of the past to describe a light-skinned person as having the color of the slaves. This is a known fact. Ibn Mandhor (1232-1311 A.D.) says in his book Lisan El-Arab:

سبوطة الشعر هي الغالبة علـى شعور العجم من الروم والفرس. و جُعودة الشعر هي الغالبة علـى شعور العرب

"Non-kinky hair is the kind of hair that most non-Arabs like the Romans and Persians have while kinky hair is the kind of hair that most Arabs have."

Ibn Mandhor says in his book Lisan El-Arab:

والعرب إِذا قالوا: فلان أَبـيض وفلانة بـيضاء فمعناه الكرم فـي الأَخلاق لا لون الـخـلقة، وإِذا قالوا: فلان أَحمر وفلانة حمراء عنوا بـياض اللون؛

"When the Arabs said that a man or a woman was ‘white’, they meant that the person was honorable. They weren’t talking about his/her complexion. When they (the Arabs) said that a man or a woman was ‘red’, they meant that his/her complexion was white."

I will have to dig up the other quotes from the books, but I found these online: Link

Moreover, this black-white competition and hatred is also recorded in political texts celebrating the conquests of the 'white' Levant and ME by black-skinned Muslims. They mock their captives and cheer Allah for showing them how 'blacks' can conquer 'whites' also.

But curiously, throughout Islamic history, there has been an attempt to portray the Prophet himself as 'white', not 'black'. The intellectual and later military takeover of Islam by Arabized Syrians, then later Persians and then Turks, etc. seems to have caused a deliberate attempt to strike a race-related note in Islam. Eventually, the typical Islamic compromise is to say that Muhammad was 'white' and his cousin 'Ali was 'short, stocky and dark'. Perhaps Arabs were a mixed race like many Indian groups - where one sibling is light and the other is dark. But still, there has been a long-running and definite attempt to show that the "pure" and "original" Arabs were some sort of 'white'. Similar to India and its "Aryan" nonsense.
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Agnimitra saar,
great info. Please keep them coming... :)
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Hasan Suroor has also fallen prey to Western Universalism. No one would argue against the need for reform among Muslims, but that they need a "Reformation", "New Testament" is basically saying all religions need to recapitulate the history of Christianity.

The more I read about the Christian Reformation in Europe, the less I think anyone should have a Reformation. The Reformation resulted in a period of extremely bloody wars and extreme ideological/religious intolerance.

Secondly, replacing one interpretation of the Book by another is not a real cure. The cure comes only when people reject the idea of resolving disagreements by violence. People may grant the ruler/state the monopoly on violence, but if the ruler/state use of violence to impose an ideology/religion on the people is seen as legitimate, it still has not cured the problem.
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shiv, you should watch the fill episode.

Sam Harris (an american atheist writer?) talks about your concentric circles of jihadi - islamist - conservative muslim - nominal muslim.
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X Posted from the STFUP thread.

While India celebrates an astronomical high of sending the Mangalyaan orbiter to Mars, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan celebrates an astronomical high of thrice finding the same phase of moon within a single lunar cycle :lol: :

Moon-sighting controversy: Three Eids in K-P and tribal areas : Express Tribune

Meanwhile whenever the topic of the scientific backwardness of the large majority of Mohammadden majority countries comes up, one inevitable hears laments by Mohammaddens of a slip back from the scientific highs which was claimed to have existed during that religions infancy.

If the proposition of the scientific advanced level of Mohammaddens during the infancy of that religion is true, why is it that Mohammadden scriptures stipulate that onset of festivals require reliance on “Mark I eye ball” rather than an astronomical almanac to figure out a phase of the moon?

Astronomy at the time of the infancy of the Mohammadden religion was well established enough at least among Non-Mohammadden religion based cultures such as the Hindu culture, not to need “Mark I eyeball” to figure out what phase the Moon was at and instead relied on an astronomical almanac.
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ISIS business model update. ISIS sells women for $10 to attract recruits. Who says ISIS economics flawed?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-un-s ... ts-2014-10
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X Posted from the “Oppression Of Minorities In Pakistan” thread.

And so in Quetta, in Islamic Republic of Pakistan occupied Balochistan, yet again a demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan. This time around just two days shy of the Mohammadden “festival of sacrifice”or “Eid al Adah” where live stock get sacrificed by having throats slit. It hardly does credit to Mohammaddenism to see Mohammaddens of the minority Shia sect play role of sacrificial goats and get slaughtered by Sunni co-religionists.

Six Killed in Suicide Attack in Pakistan's Quetta City

Members of minority Shia sect of Mohammaddenism once again play role of sacrificial goat in yet another demonstration of IEDology of Pakistan, this time in Kohat:

Six die in blast at Kohat taxi stand
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A_Gupta wrote:Secondly, replacing one interpretation of the Book by another is not a real cure. The cure comes only when people reject the idea of resolving disagreements by violence. People may grant the ruler/state the monopoly on violence, but if the ruler/state use of violence to impose an ideology/religion on the people is seen as legitimate, it still has not cured the problem.
The seeds of violence lie in two beliefs:

1. There is only one true God, and -- what a coincidence -- He happens to be ours.
2. We will not rest till we have conquered the whole world for our True God.

The rest -- reformation, enlightenment, etc. -- is merely lipstick on the pig. Did the reformation disown the above two statements? It didn't. Then no peace is possible in this world.
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Hardline Sri Lanka Buddhists seek ties with India's Hindus - See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-asia/story/hardline-sri-lanka-buddhists-seek-ties-indias-hindus-20141007#sthash.doaGI8iS.dpuf - Straits Times
A Buddhist group accused of instigating religious hate attacks in Sri Lanka said Tuesday it is in talks with Hindu nationalists in India to form an alliance against what it called rising Islamic extremism in the region.

The Buddhist Force, or BBS, says Sri Lanka faces a threat from radical Islam. It has been linked to a rise in attacks against the country's minority Muslim and Christian population in the past two years, although it denies any involvement.

On Tuesday it said it was seeking a tie-up with India's Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a Hindu nationalist group linked to India's ruling party that is viewed as hostile to the country's 160-million-strong Muslim minority.

"Discussions are at a high level with the RSS," BBS chief, Buddhist monk Galagodaatte Gnanasara told reporters in Colombo. "We are having a dialogue with the RSS as well as Buddhist organisations in India.
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Gus, I am sure the gnan that American writers are professing now is all imbibed from BRF research.


We have studied/postulated many models to make the understanding simple.
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SanjayC wrote: The seeds of violence lie in two beliefs:

1. There is only one true God, and -- what a coincidence -- He happens to be ours.
2. We will not rest till we have conquered the whole world for our True God.

The rest -- reformation, enlightenment, etc. -- is merely lipstick on the pig. Did the reformation disown the above two statements? It didn't. Then no peace is possible in this world.
The Reformation in Europe did not disown the above two; the so-called Enlightenment did to some extent. But like the shingles virus, the infection sporadically flares up.
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A positive sign in Indian Muslim discourse.

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/846/2982.htm

Eminent Indian Islamic Scholar Maulana Wahiduddin Khan Calls for Deconditioning the Muslim Mind to Eliminate Supremacist Views and Hatred

That was an older address after the Mumbai terrorist attacks. But probably the kind of divergence Doval plans to widen and strengthen...
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