Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 19 Jul 2014

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 10 Oct 2014 03:06

India strongly warned Pakistan that it would have to suffer "unaffordable costs" for its "adventurism" amid heavy-duty mortars from both countries continuing to boom across the International Border (IB), attracting an aggressive response from Pakistan which invoked its nuclear arsenal and called a meeting of its national security council to review its options.

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/India-t ... IIndiaNews

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 03:24

^^^

There is also speculation if the stepped-up border firing was triggered by something as simple as Pakistan losing to India in the Asian Games hockey final. "It is true that the first fire from Pakistan came 25 minutes after India won the hockey gold. The second burst came two hours later. After that, firing from both sides began in full measure," Pathak said.

Really?

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 10 Oct 2014 03:28

Sounds bs.. but pakis did started firing because paki hockey team was kicked in the ass.. Then they kept doing it.
No matter how much they cry about nuclear jeehard, they don't have the balls to do that and we all know it.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 03:48

Motorma Fair around minute 17 of this video says Pakistani aam junta is pro-Indian.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 03:56

^^^^Motarma Fair says India is "not innocent in Balochistan". India does not reciprocate Pakistan's asymmetric warfare because (a) can only support ethno-nationalist movements, not Islamist movements because of the danger of blowback and (b) civilians are "dar-pok" (scaredy cats).

^^^^ Around minute 26, Fair says that two of her friends were killed by the Haqqani network. And she was part of the election monitoring in Afghanistan.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Oct 2014 04:36

What gives Praveen Swami the grumption or what is his motivation to be so in your face when trying to make feeble excuses for the way the NaPaki Army behaves?
He spins any reason to hand over a fig leaf of an explanation which the Paki's then latch one to. Just check the number of news articles and TV talk shows (hosted by RAPES specially on ISI/ Army Backed ARY) this asshole was quoted and invited to when he propagated the grandmother story to help the paki army justify their murderous actions last year. It is one thing to be anti-national but how can this asshole and many other like him be so brazen about it. Have they taken their democratic rights so much for granted?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 10 Oct 2014 05:36

Cosmo_R wrote:
Anujan wrote:....

We have to realize that we are at a couple of disadvantages. We might respond in full force to the current provocation and Pakis might even stop, but they control flare ups. ...

Unless we develop covert capabilities and retaliate in kind, or come up with other clever ideas (I don't know what), I feel that we are still reactive, we still do not have options.
+1

You can't elect to field all the time. You have to get batting time too.

That goes without saying. Yet BRF members of all people should remember that Indian covert capabilities and assets in Pakistan have been gutted mercilessly since the Gujral days and whatever may have been left of it was consigned to dustbin during the UPA dark ages..it will take time to build these up again to a level where they can be effective.

A tree does not grow in one day and it takes even longer to bear fruit. With Doval as the NSA, we have someone who knows that shitehole inside out and I bet that he has already set the ball rolling to get our assets over there up and running in a few years. Till then, we may see more of couterattacking set up as is the case today.

Melwyn · Post by **Melwyn** » 10 Oct 2014 06:00

Three Generations of Bhutto Warmongers .
They never learn do they?

Three Generations of Bhutto Warmongers

arun · Post by **arun** » 10 Oct 2014 06:02

arun wrote:The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is blessed for the Fifth Time in Five Days by a visit of their National Bird, the US Drone:

Drone strike in North Waziristan kills 4, injures 1

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan is blessed for the Sixth Time in Six Days by a visit of their National Bird, the US Drone.

Is it coincidence that the flare up on the LoC / IB coincides with the increased sightings and activity of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan's National Bird over Pakistan

:

Targeted attack: Drone strike kills four suspected militants

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 10 Oct 2014 06:11

gandharva wrote:India strongly warned Pakistan that it would have to suffer "unaffordable costs" for its "adventurism" amid heavy-duty mortars from both countries continuing to boom across the International Border (IB), attracting an aggressive response from Pakistan which invoked its nuclear arsenal and called a meeting of its national security council to review its options.

So, what does "unaffordable costs" for Pakistan mean?

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 10 Oct 2014 06:31

@ShauryaT

Think along these lines to get to what is "Unaffordable"

@ theatre level

All Command Control Units are in direct line of fire - meaning all PA officer cadre, even theater commanders lives are in mortal danger - You must understand what that means to the brave Pakistan Army officer class

@ GHQ Pindi Level
From a logistics, Ammo and material point of view - If they want to escalate and keep prolonging this, their limited stockpile is going to diminish at a rapid pace and replacement is going to cost much more - because the suppliers are not going to gift it to Pakistan anymore and funders are not going to have too much to spend on this "ally" that is a nuisance - besides the small fact of such help rendered is going to make them less likely to benefit from a growing India (the Demand part that Modi articulated in Madison Square Garden)

@ Islamabad Wazir - E - Azam level
If they persist, it will also mean India resorting to other "force multipliers" to increase pain quotient - along the IB and LOC as well as in the maritime borders, think water and energy supplies being "constrained"

@ Economic Level
Increased Political Risk would mean even less investment and the already strained economy will get worse.
If the Water availability is managed creatively, it can also impact the availability of food despite intrinsically fertile lands and copious supply of goats

@ political level
If they persist with military adventurism and non state actor sponsored terror, they can also start feeling the heat from Covert action from the Indian side.

I am just indicating here possibilities, all I can say is that there was a great deal of thought that has been put into what are India's options with regard to Pakistan already. Samjhdaar ko ishaara kati hai! I am sure you and the rest of rakshaks here will get the general drift.

As usual it is just the occasional rambler's take. May be right or may be not. Take it for what it is worth.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 06:41

Sign of desperation:
https://twitter.com/DGISPR/status/52029 ... 56/photo/1

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Oct 2014 06:51

A_Gupta wrote:Sign of desperation:
https://twitter.com/DGISPR/status/52029 ... 56/photo/1

From the same official DGISPR account -

#India should know that 180 million people are standing behind #PakArmy. We will wipe out India from #worldMap

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Oct 2014 06:52

And also from that account

@DGISPR Nation supports Pak Army against Indian aggression --- Except a few dogs who keep barking --- They Deserve to be among the missing persons

Freudian slip perhaps?

PS> That is a fake ID.

Karan Dixit · Post by **Karan Dixit** » 10 Oct 2014 06:57

This is exactly what Pakis need. We can never achieve peace if we are not ready for war. Let us see how far Pakis can take it.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 10 Oct 2014 07:05

Modi seems to have figured out the Malsi fundoo equation: The only response to Malsic fundoos is a punishment that is extremely violent and brutal and is administered consistently and immediately after a transgression.

Once a Malsi fundoo movers and shakers (not the cannon fodder) knows that he will soon get his 72 in a violent manner instead of the soosai bummer he send out, he will tuck his tail and run. A simple read of the history of these people makes it clear that this is indeed the case.

Never show fear, timidity and indecisiveness in response to Malsi aggression, that will only embolden them as Arrah has told them that their "enemy" would behave in exactly the same way when Arrah is pleased.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Oct 2014 07:08

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/world ... .html?_r=0

— Sunni insurgents in Pakistan increased attacks on Iranian border posts in the southeast of the country this week, employing methods similar to those used by Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.

In one instance, a car bomber struck a fortified base near the city of Saravan, killing a senior officer and prompting Iranian commanders and politicians Thursday to call upon Pakistan to control its borders. On Tuesday, three police officers were killed in an ambush after responding to a distress call.

These were only the latest in a series of attacks. Last month, insurgents rammed a vehicle laden with more than 1,000 pounds of explosives into one of the outer walls of a central base before launching a surprise attack with a convoy of pickup trucks carrying 70 insurgents, a senior military official told the Fars news agency this week.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 10 Oct 2014 07:11

MurthyB wrote:
Anujan wrote:How credible is that screenshot thing? Who is the guy? Or is it just some chair marshal speculation?

If true, what did our brothers across the border do to piss our Armed forces off this much?
The site has been restored now. But I can vouch that when I posted that screenshot, it was by going to the site and taking the screenshot, so it was definitely hacked at that time.

Recently promoted (by the Felix Legions) Jernail Lalettan of Territorial Army said "y'all in BSF and IA smoke 'em with real guns, cyber-pakis will be bitched-up by djinns wearing lungis, pun-guns firing pop-cliches and reeking of day-old toddy....."

Kerala hackers on cyber war with Pakistan

Amidst rumours that there might be an India-Pak war, Keralites have already started a war against Pakistanis . To be precise, a cyber war. Pakistani Electric Power Company- (PEPCO) , Quaid-E-Azam Divisional Public School and College, a Pakistani educational institution and the website of the National University of Modern Languages, Lahore Campus, were hacked by Lalettan fans in retaliation for hacking Mohanlal's official website.

Actor Mohanlal's connection with the Territorial Army was the main reason for the hacking incident. A hacker calling himself Devil Haxor managed to intrude into the official website of Mohanlal. He uploaded an image of Pakistan flag and posted messages and separatist slogans. The hacker bragged he had hacked an Indian Army site and it was an Eid gift. Interestingly, the hacker mistook the website as that of the Army.

On Thursday, on the website of the National University of Modern Languages, Lahore Campus, hackers calling themselves ‘The Malalyali Army' challenged the Pakistanis to first take back the site and then consider seizing Kashmir.

Meanwhile, in another incident, the official website of the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) got hacked. Indian Hackers Online Squad hacked the website and posted pictures of the Indian flag on the website. The hackers criticised PPP chief Bilawal Butto, for his recent comment about taking Kashmir back from India. The sites are still under the control of hackers. Actor Mohanlal had lodged a complaint against the hacker. His official page was restored after 30 minutes.

And that was just one days' Pongala Ceremony on your ass by a few movie-star fans, pakis

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2014 07:16

Karan Dixit wrote:This is exactly what Pakis need. We can never achieve peace if we are not ready for war. Let us see how far Pakis can take it.

At the end of it all Pakis wil say they won because India could not invade Pakistan. But the punishment needs to be meted out so they can say that.

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 10 Oct 2014 07:25

Musharraf + Djinn = Disabled Musharraf?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2014 07:30

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/world ... ore-iphone

TEHRAN — Sunni insurgents in Pakistan increased attacks on Iranian border posts in the southeast of the country this week, employing methods similar to those used by Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.

In one instance, a car bomber struck a fortified base near the city of Saravan, killing one senior officer and prompting Iranian commanders and politicians Thursday to call upon Pakistan to control its borders. On Tuesday, three police officers were killed in an ambush after responding to a distress call.

These were only the latest in a series of attacks. Last month, insurgents rammed a vehicle laden with more than 1,000 pounds of explosives into one of the outer walls of a central base before launching a surprise attack with a convoy of pickup trucks carrying 70 insurgents, a senior military official told the Fars news agency this week.

The official, Brig. Gen. Mohammad Pakpur of the Revolutionary Guard Corps, said the attackers had been repelled only after a long firefight and the arrival of reinforcements, helicoptered in from other bases.

The Iranian-Pakistan border cuts straight through the Sunni tribal area of Baluchistan, which has been volatile for the past 15 years. In the past decade more than 3,000 Iranian border guards have been killed in gun battles with drug-smuggling gangs, but in recent years the fighting has grown more sectarian.

A Sunni extremist group, Jaish ul-Adl, or the Army of Justice, has been carrying out a program of harassment, derailing trains and conducting assassinations and bombings. It demands independence, but Iran has accused its leaders of working for the United States and Saudi Arabia.

In a statement published on Edaalat News, a blog said to be run by Jaish ul-Adl militants, the group took responsibility for the attack on the police officers. “The Jaish ul-Adl organization hereby informs the public that the fighters of Baluchistan have attacked Saravan’s Aspich base located 10 kilometers away from Saravan and killed two staff and a conscript,” it said. "Details will be announced later.”

In recent months Iran has directed a lot of its resources to the protection of its western and eastern borders. The attack on the border post in the south, basically a well-defended fort in the middle of nowhere, is not the first. In 2013, “bandits” killed 20 border guards, Iranian officials announced, saying that in retaliation they had executed 16 Sunni extremist prisoners held on death row.

Iranian officials are now warning Pakistan that they are considering going into its territory on hot-pursuit missions. “The Pakistani government has practically no control over the border areas, and if they really cannot control the common border, they should tell us so that we ourselves can take action,” Esma’il Kowsari, a leading lawmaker, told the Tasmin news agency on Thursday.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 07:37

Touching!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 07:37

Lots, including this thread, to meet their 72 shortly?

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 10 Oct 2014 07:52

One of the conditions that the GOI has to impose for a ceasefire is bumping off, Hafeez Syed. In Paki jarnail mind, it might be an acceptable trade off as the other option is continuation of further damage to paki assets at the border and humiliation in front of local Abduls. Definitely dont bring the suar back to India, too much nuisance and Biryani, bump him off using paki themselves

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 10 Oct 2014 07:55

KLNMurthy wrote:
saravana wrote:This is the time they should do away with Wagah border show.
NaPak army can't mount coups, NLI is useful only for downhill skiing and Rangers are behaving like free range chicken. What is the martial race coming to.
Yes, please tell Modi to put law draft in gazette to bring pan- chewing havildar (colyright BRF) to shut wagah gate.

-1
You forgot the pan chewing hawaldar should have a pot belly

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Oct 2014 07:59

ShauryaT wrote:
gandharva wrote:India strongly warned Pakistan that it would have to suffer "unaffordable costs" for its "adventurism" amid heavy-duty mortars from both countries continuing to boom across the International Border (IB), attracting an aggressive response from Pakistan which invoked its nuclear arsenal and called a meeting of its national security council to review its options.
So, what does "unaffordable costs" for Pakistan mean?

Loss pf precious echandee and Indian attention restricted to thappads only.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Oct 2014 08:12

Q: how many days after Pakistan ceases-fire do you think Modi sarkar will consent to take their telephone calls?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2014 08:18

Anantha wrote: Yes, please tell Modi to put law draft in gazette to bring pan- chewing havildar (colyright BRF) to shut wagah gate.
You forgot the pan chewing hawaldar should have a pot belly

Wearing shorts and banian

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Oct 2014 08:20

Anantha wrote:One of the conditions that the GOI has to impose for a ceasefire is bumping off, Hafeez Syed. In Paki jarnail mind, it might be an acceptable trade off as the other option is continuation of further damage to paki assets at the border and humiliation in front of local Abduls. Definitely dont bring the suar back to India, too much nuisance and Biryani, bump him off using paki themselves

No deals with Pakis other than feeding them lead.

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 10 Oct 2014 08:22

A_Gupta wrote:Touching!

Warms even my small, dark heart. I too recommend that all victims (of excess pindi chana intake) make their own remedies and relieve themselves in Pakistan.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 10 Oct 2014 08:26

shiv wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/world ... ore-iphone

[*quote]Iranian officials are now warning Pakistan that they are considering going into its territory on hot-pursuit missions. “The Pakistani government has practically no control over the border areas, and if they really cannot control the common border, they should tell us so that we ourselves can take action,” Esma’il Kowsari, a leading lawmaker, told the Tasmin news agency on Thursday.[*/quote]

The doctrine invoked by massa to attack ISIL can be invoked here. That doctrine will also come in handy IF India needs to strike at the terrorist camps in Pakistan.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Oct 2014 08:58

Cultivating conspiracies: Khaled Ahmed

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Oct 2014 09:03

A_Gupta wrote:Touching!

Fixed it for you

we have taken the oath
with a confirmation
to loot the nation
with full determination
to remove the government
and give people the pavement
to take money from Japan
use it to make some taliban
to stand with the strong belief
the world will give flood relief
and we will take the money and buy
whatever is sold by the chinese guy
to kill the baloch
and let UAE poach
to hide Osama
from prying eyes of Obama
to teach how to downhill ski
to northern light infantry
and to convince every idiot Paki
with brain that of toasters
to make random posters
Yes!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!
Yes!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 10 Oct 2014 09:05

Anujan wrote:
we have taken the oath
with a confirmation
to loot the nation
with full determination
to remove the government
and give people the pavement
to take money from Japan
use it to make some taliban
to stand with the strong belief
the world will give flood relief
and we will take the money and buy
whatever is sold by the chinese guy
to kill the baloch
and let UAE poach
to hide Osama
from prying eyes of Obama
to teach how to downhill ski
to northern light infantry
and to convince every idiot Paki
with brain that of toasters
to make random posters
Yes!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!
Yes!! YOU ARE THE BEST!!

My My! I haven't laughed this hard in a while. LOL!

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 10 Oct 2014 09:06

pankajs wrote: The doctrine invoked by massa to attack ISIL can be invoked here. That doctrine will also come in handy IF India needs to strike at the terrorist camps in Pakistan.

Massa Amirkhan's doctrine is: might is right.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 Oct 2014 09:10

>>The sites are still under the control of hackers. Actor Mohanlal had lodged a complaint against the hacker. His official page was restored after 30 minutes.

Subhanallah, where is martiallah?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Oct 2014 09:13

Maybe Badmash should fire the Pak Army Sharif and send them back to barracks for failing everywhere.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Oct 2014 09:28

shiv wrote:
Anantha wrote: Yes, please tell Modi to put law draft in gazette to bring pan- chewing havildar (colyright BRF) to shut wagah gate.
You forgot the pan chewing hawaldar should have a pot belly
Wearing shorts and banian

The shorts have to be the traditional, striped Indian under garment. Nothing else will do.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Oct 2014 09:28

AOA, the thread met its 72.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 10 Oct 2014 09:32

Ajai shukla has a more informed opinion than Parveen Swabi.
http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/

Senior Indian commanders assess that the Pakistan Army is activating the border to rally support at a time when nationalist and Islamist groups are protesting the army’s attack on North Waziristan, accusing it of acting at America’s behest. Pakistan’s military is also taking flak for recent drone strikes on militant targets.

It has been speculated that Pakistan has stepping up cross-border firing to infiltrate militants into J&K before the winter snows block the passes from POK. In fact, the infiltration routes around Poonch, Rajauri and Naushera --- in the lower-lying Jammu Sector --- remain open around the year.

Nor is it likely that Pakistan has activated the border to disrupt India’s counter-infiltration grid. The Indian Army prefers an operating environment where fire can be opened quickly on suspected infiltration. The ceasefire restrains India’s posts as much as Pakistan’s. If there is no de-escalation soon, infiltrating militants will face a more hostile reception at the LoC than they have since the ceasefire of November 2003.

Its been our tradition not to use mortar's over the IB or to target the Civilian population, but we need to change that. It was this very tradition that PA was trying to utilize to its advantage.