Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

[Dipanker]

Iranian guards kill Pakistani soldier near border

QUETTA: Iranian border guards attacked a vehicle of Frontier Corps, a para-military force, inside Pakistani territory killing one personnel and injured another three on Friday morning.

Khan Wasey, the Spokesman FC told Dawn.com that Iranian border guards have been violating Pakistani territory since the past two days. He said the FC's vehicle was also damaged during the attack.

[Prem]

Iranian guards kill Pakistani soldier near border

KhaaPaanAllah:Popcornallah:PeeBeerAllah

QUETTA: Iranian border guards attacked a vehicle of Frontier Corps, a para-military force, inside Pakistani territory killing one personnel and injured another three on Friday morning.
Khan Wasey, the Spokesman FC told Dawn.com that Iranian border guards have been violating Pakistani territory since the past two days. He said the FC's vehicle was also damaged during the attack.The injured personnel were rushed to Quetta for medical treatment.Wasey said that Iranian border guards entered inside Pakistani territory and attacked the FC vehicle in Mand Tehsil of Balochistan's Kech district.In another incident, Wasey said 30 Iranian border guards entered into Pakistan's town of Nokundi which borders Iran and made the residents of a nearby village hostage for six hours."They subjected the residents to physiological torture and then left," he said.
Inspector General Frontier Corps, Major General Ejaz Shahid, strongly condemned the infiltration of Iranian guards and vowed to defend the border in the case of future violation.Additional FC personnel were called in the area to avoid occurrence of another untoward incident and overall security was tightened at the porous 900km border between the two countries.FC and Home and Tribal Affairs Department Balochistan have informed the Foreign Office with regard to recent violations by Iranian border guards, an officer of the Home Department, who declined to be named told Dawn.com.Within next few days a formal protest is going to be lodged with Iranian high-ranking officials, he added.
Panic prevailed in Pakistan border towns in the aftermath of Iranian infiltration in the area and their continued attacks.Two Iran guards, ‘several rebels’ killed in border clash: ISNAMeanwhile, Iran’s ISNA news agency reported that two Iranian border guards have been killed in clashes with ‘rebels’ who tried to infiltrate the country from Pakistani side.“

[saip]

Iranian guards kill Pakistani soldier near border

QUETTA: Iranian border guards attacked a vehicle of Frontier Corps, a para-military force, inside Pakistani territory killing one personnel and injured another three on Friday morning.

Khan Wasey, the Spokesman FC told Dawn.com that Iranian border guards have been violating Pakistani territory since the past two days. He said the FC's vehicle was also damaged during the attack.

Look at the gun mount.

[saip]

Dupe. Deleted.

[A_Gupta]

This is some amazing shyte. When I was researching my ebook with generous help from BRFites, I specifically looked for such data and made a mention of such indices. What amazed me then was that the only time Pakistanis ever mentioned such statistics was when they were smearing India and saying how bad India is..

Now a decade later this stuff is coming out of Packee mouths.

IMO, not really. All they are giving is the target, not where they are starting from. Sounds to me like the Millenium 2015/2020 goals.

PS: ok, this from July 6 does give the from & to.
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2014/07 ... e-for-all/

He said that at present under five mortality rate present is 94/1000 and it will be reduced 45 till 2015(MDGs Target), new born mortality rate is 54/1000 and it would be reduced up to 25 by year 2015, whereas, infant mortality rate is 77/1000 which would be reduced 40 up till 2015.

He told that maternal mortality ratio 350-500/100000 which would be reduced 140 up till 2015. He told that 20 percent birth deliveries are attended by skilled birth attendant and this ratio would be increased more than 90 percent by 2015 whereas, contraceptive prevalence rate is 36 percent that would be increased up to 55 percent by 2015 (MDGs Target).

PPS: MDG in the above is Millenium Development Goal. Look at Shuja waving a wand and achieving the 2015 targets!

[partha]

Lahore High Court upholds blasphemy death sentence to Asiya Bibi - AFP

When will South Asia fix its capital punishment problem?

[Anujan]

Context for Iranian actions.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/10/wo ... &referrer=

Sunni insurgents in Pakistan increased attacks on Iranian border posts in the southeast of the country this week, employing methods similar to those used by Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.

In one instance, a car bomber struck a fortified base near the city of Saravan, killing a senior officer and prompting Iranian commanders and politicians Thursday to call upon Pakistan to control its borders. On Tuesday, three police officers were killed in an ambush after responding to a distress call.

These were only the latest in a series of attacks. Last month, insurgents rammed a vehicle laden with more than 1,000 pounds of explosives into one of the outer walls of a central base before launching a surprise attack with a convoy of pickup trucks carrying 70 insurgents

[Anujan]

Lahore High Court upholds blasphemy death sentence to Asiya Bibi - AFP

When will South Asia fix its capital punishment problem?

Did you see the tears that was shed after Kasab's sentence was carried out? Things like "He was misguided onlee. Would they hang a Hindu? Will hanging bring back all his victims? "

Best one was by Raza Rumi who declared his opposition to capital punishment as a matter of principle. I don't know about his latest views on capital punishment since he is in hiding after Kasabs fourth cousins made an assassination attempt.

Also one thing I admire the Pakis total lack of irony for their hypocrisy: "I support dard-e-ass, bomb all the b4stards. I sympathize with Kasab, why was he killed after proper prosecution, appeal, sentencing and presidential consent? Solidarity march for sympathy for Kasab and support for artillery attacks on our own population. "

[partha]

^
haha..yes, I do remember very well how RAPEs reacted post Kasab's hanging.

[A_Gupta]

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[A_Gupta]

On the one hand, I sympathize with Asia Bibi's lawyer's attempt to get her off. On the other hand, I dislike his blaming the whole situation on Hindus.

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/10/3430018/

Most of Thursday’s four-hour hearing was given over to arguments made by Noreen's counsel, Naeem Shakir. ....

Shakir argued that Noreen’s trial-court conviction had been based on hearsay, as Salaam himself did not witness the exchange between Noreen and her co-workers. He said it was at a local village council, or panchayat, where Noreen was forced to confess the alleged instance of blasphemy. The judges categorically stated that Pakistani law would not take into account any such confession made to a random group, and they set aside evidence of all the witnesses related to the village council.

The court, however, said that there were two sisters -- Mafia Bibi and Asma Bibi -- who had appeared in the trial court and testified they had witnessed the incident of alleged blasphemy. Shakir told the court that on the day it happened, Noreen had brought some water for other fieldworkers, and that the sisters refused to take it, saying they could not take water from the hands of a Christian woman.

Shakir said a quarrel arose between Noreen and the two women, which later was made to appear as a religious conflict. He said the nature of the quarrel had its source in the Hindu caste system (in which most Pakistani Christians are considered “untouchable”) than a conflict between the Christian and Islamic faiths.

Also note this sick joke:

Attorney S. K. Chaudhry, who represented Noreen at her trial, told the appeals judges Thursday that as a Muslim he could not repeat the blasphemous words, so he did not cross-examine the two sisters because it involved discussing those blasphemous statements. One of the appeals judges responded that “in the process of administration of justice we need to be ‘secular.’"

[Vikas]

Actually Aaam Abdul is not Hypocrite. He is very clear with where he stands (and it is only few steps away from ISIS). It the RAPE Pakis who are the hypocrites of highest order.
Like ImDim, They want western luxury and ways yet denounce it when convenient.
They want western liberty yet denounce the same in Pakistan.
They denounce ISIS but want sharia in Pakistan. They show support for Democracy but crave for Musharraf or Zia like Martial law administrator.
They want Kashmir (Only Land) and its women only.

[Agnimitra]

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/10/3430018/

Shakir said a quarrel arose between Noreen and the two women, which later was made to appear as a religious conflict. He said the nature of the quarrel had its source in the Hindu caste system (in which most Pakistani Christians are considered “untouchable”) than a conflict between the Christian and Islamic faiths.

This is a lie. When Sikh pilgrims visit Nankana sahib, many times they have to use separate cups at stalls.

In Iran until 100 years back, in holy towns like Mashhad, local Zoroastrians were treated exactly like untouchables. They could not drink from public fountains, had groceries flung at them from a distance, etc.

All this is because in Islam, non-Muslims are considered 'najis'. This means a sort of unclean aura, and is different from physical uncleanliness ('kaseef').

Sometimes, as part of taqiyyah, Iranian Muslims will say that the local Armenian Christian community would also be treated as untouchables because they, like Europeans, didn't wash their arses. This is also untrue - not only because the Armanis had the same toilet habits as their Irani neighbors, but also because the theological justification of 'najasat' is different from physical lack if hygiene.

The practice of untouchability is intrinsic to Islam, and is an extreme imposition of dhimmitude.

[Prem]

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/10/3430018/
The practice of untouchability is intrinsic to Islam, and is an extreme imposition of dhimmitude.

Few years ago ,There was article on the net by English lady about her experience as guest with Iranian family. The old Iranian woman will wipe clean the mouthpiece of phone every time this Kufari Gori touched it for use.

[A_Gupta]

All this is because in Islam, non-Muslims are considered 'najis'. This means a sort of unclean aura, and is different from physical uncleanliness ('kaseef').

Is this a Shia-only doctrine, or does it extend to Sunnis also?

[Agnimitra]

Few years ago ,There was article on the net by English lady about her experience as guest with Iranian family. The old Iranian woman will wipe clean the mouthpiece of phone every time this Kufari Gori touched it for use.

In Iran, they have a quaint custom when they drink chai. The tea typically has no sugar dissolved in it, but rather they take a cube of sugar, dip it once in the tea, then put it into their mouths and sip the tea. The reason for this is that when processed sugar was invented, it was the spiritually najis kuffar colonial Christians who were manufacturing it and exporting it to the momineen such as Iranis. Now the momineen liked this processed sugar. However, there was the very real problem of spiritual contamination as per well established Islamic Law. Fortunately, they had the faqihs who could interpret Islamic fiqh jurisprudence and figure a way out. Some of the akhund ulema said outright that Iran must not import sugar. But other said that they could import sugar cubes, then dip the cube in the tea to cleanse it, while uttering bismillah, and then it would be alright to consume it. Thus, the practice continues, even if some Iranis today are unaware if its origins.

AGupta ji, the concept of najasat is common to Shia and Sunnis. It is also related to wuzoo/wudoo ablutions before prayer. Etc. But its practice as untouchability...it has definitely been there in Shiism, but I have not checked out Sunni cultural history on this point.

But if the Sunnis living in Nankana Sahib are practicing it wrt Sikh pilgrims I assume it is true. Also, Turks used it against Armenians.

[partha]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... ports-list

Islamabad replaces Manila at top of list of world’s worst airports

. Islamabad Benazir Bhutto international airport, Pakistan (ISB)

2. Jeddah King Abdulzaziz international airport, Saudi Arabia (JED)

3. Kathmandu Tribhuvan international airport, Nepal (KTM)

4. Manila Ninoy Aquino international airport, Philippines (MNL)

5. Tashkent international airport, Uzbekistan (TAS)

6. Paris Beauvais-Tille international airport, France (BVA)

7. Frankfurt Hahn international airport, Germany (HHN)

8. Bergamo Orio al Serio international airport, Italy (BGY)

9. Berlin Tegel international airport, Germany (TXL)

10. New York City LaGuardia international airport, USA (LGA)

Another of those reports contributing to Pakistan's image problem. Why can't the same report be presented positively, hain? "Islamabad airport helps other 9 airports look better". At the very least Manila should recognize Islamabad's efforts in improving Manila airport's ranking.

[partha]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

News hour debate on Musharraf 'inciting Kashmiris' remark

Watch from 12:30 to 14:00 minutes. Paki guests (ex-Army) are openly nuclear sabre rattling "one bomb in Delhi and India will be finished". And they're so disgusting on national television "You brahmins will be shitting in your dhotis". I'm not kidding, this is an actual remark!

[Cosmo_R]

Before people complain about polio from Pakistan, they should realize Pakistan itself victim of polio. Other countries complain about 1-2 polio cases. Pakistan has 200 polio cases. With almost one case reported per day. Polio has no religion or nationality and any one could get polio. It is wrong to blame a single country for polio. It is the failure of the entire world that polio is still lurking in Pakistan. Just condemning polio won't work: root cause of Pakistani polio, like poverty, illiteracy and unsolved issues like Kashmir should be addressed and solved. More people to people contact, relaxing travel restrictions and aid are the best ways to combat polio.

India and Pakistan have fought 4 wars over Kashmir and over 1 billion people live on less than $2 per day in the subcontinent. Our Lahore correspondent contributed to this report.

Anujan, you have an evil mind and a sharp tongue and vice versa. My cup of envy runneth over.

[Nandu]

I know she said that before, but has she mentioned this == of late?

i don't remember seeing that in her last few pieces.

Ah, I mistook her for the author of this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... inner.html
She had tweeteed it.
My mistake.

[Anujan]

Anujan, you have an evil mind and a sharp tongue and vice versa. My cup of envy runneth over.

There is a method to the madness. People in Pakistan are remarkably consistent in their messaging. You can see that suddenly everyone: Think tanks, politicians, diplomats, media, RAPEs etc use the same language to describe something. Like "Solve Cashmere to Solve Afghanistan". Suddenly everyone says the same thing, using the same words. Another example is "Trust deficit between Pakistan and USA", "Pakistan has lost $100 billion due to terrorism", "Pakistan itself victim of terrorism", "Moral, political, diplomatic support for legitimate aspiration for self determination", "US is driving Pakistan to China's camp", "South Asia is a nuclear flashpoint", "Both India and Pakistan should stop teaching hate in their schools" (as a response to madrassa proliferation in Pakistan), "India has suffered one Mumbai, Pakistan has suffered many Mumbai like incidents" and so on. Sometimes it catches on, sometimes it doesnt.

In places like US, there is something called a "talking points memo" that is sent out to all the supporters: essentially a succinct and same set of words to keep on repeating so people can remember it quickly and easily and you sway them based on repeating the words over and over again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point

So one side argues that the number of guns that people have is proportional to the number of gun deaths, the other said will counter it with "Guns dont kill people, people kill people". See, if you repeat the same thing, you dont have to argue the original point. An intellectually smart (but socially stupid) person will try to counter the original argument with "Have you controlled for factors like conflict, law enforcement and so on...". An effective person on the other hand will keep on repeating "Guns dont kill people, people kill people". If you think about it, that is pretty stupid argument to make actually. Going by that argument, bazookas should be legal. Bazookas dont kill people, people kill people. Nukes should not be banned by NPT, nukes dont kill people, people kill people. It doesnt matter that the statement is stupid. It only matters that it is easy to remember and repeat and suddenly everyone believes it because it is easy to remember and repeat.

If you ask the SDREs on why arms supply to Pakistan should be cut off, each SDRE will make a long logical argument, using different words, different ideas, different set of logical arguments. While they'll all be well argued, it is all very tiring to follow each of them, remember the argument and be convinced by them. If you ask a typical Pakistani abdul on why Pakistan is training and sending terrorists everywhere, he/she will reply with a straight face "Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism". In some ways, we are victims of our own intelligence. We tend to pack arguments with nuance. A typical pakistani with IQ in the low 90's will parrot the same set of words. If you observe closely, "Pakistan itself victim of terrorism" has permeated even the discourse in the west. Even Motorma fair, sane people like Lisa Curtis, Panetta, Kerry and so on manage to squeeze it in. "Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism...."

If you think about it, "Pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism" is merely a rephrasing of "Before the world blames suicide bombers, they should realize suicide bombers themselves victim of their suicide bombing". Essentially Pakistan is the country equivalent of a suicide bomber. So, the best way to counter this is repeat those talking points ourselves but modified in absurd ways, so every time someone hears those words, they only remember how absurd those words are. I never tire of doing that.

1. Before the world accuses Pakistan of spreading polio, they should realize Pakistan itself victim of polio
2. Before US accuses ISI of funding pro-Kashmir group to influence American politics, they should remember Pakistan itself victim of ISI influencing politics
3. Before Bangladesh accuses Pakistan army of committing crimes, they should realize Pakistan itself victim of Pakistan army crimes when Bangladesh was part of Pakistan
4. Before India complains about Pakistan army shelling its towns, they should realize Pakistan itself victim of Pakistan army shelling their towns

So take a talking point, gleefully deconstruct it, point out how absurd it is, keep repeating it and drive the point home.

[A_Gupta]

"Pakistan itself victim of terrorism"
"Oh yeah? On on unrelated note, most bomb makers have lost a limb while making their bombs."

May you and the Bard be one!

From the play Hamlet (III.iv.207) by Shakespeare:
For tis the sport to haue the enginer / Hoist with his owne petar.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoist_by_ ... own_petard

[Agnimitra]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

News hour debate on Musharraf 'inciting Kashmiris' remark

Watch from 12:30 to 14:00 minutes. Paki guests (ex-Army) are openly nuclear sabre rattling "one bomb in Delhi and India will be finished". And they're so disgusting on national television "You brahmins will be shitting in your dhotis". I'm not kidding, this is an actual remark!

Dhoti-shivering brahmins make love to the next generation of Paki Ghazis:

India outclass Pakistan 6-0 in Sultan of Johor Cup

[Vivasvat]

Martial race of Arapean gorefathers showing it's true colors.
Girl kept as slave in cellar awarded $160,000

Trafficked from Pakistan aged 10, the victim was repeatedly raped by Ilyas Ashar, 85, who along with his wife Tallat, 69, forced her to work as their servant.

And just what does the court "just" court say? "Pay a token fine and import another"!
How old do you think was this geriatric pedophile when he married his 16 years younger wife?

[saip]

Sultan Johar Cup

The pakis lost all the four matches they played so far. India is 4-3 and UK is 4-4

[khan]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

News hour debate on Musharraf 'inciting Kashmiris' remark

Watch from 12:30 to 14:00 minutes. Paki guests (ex-Army) are openly nuclear sabre rattling "one bomb in Delhi and India will be finished". And they're so disgusting on national television "You brahmins will be shitting in your dhotis". I'm not kidding, this is an actual remark!

No kidding. By the end the Paki Brigaidier (who apparently had just got back from visting Musharaff) was literally crying.

Modi has those guys chaddis in a knot and and other than the usual UN appeals, they have no idea how to react. To add insult to injury, by barely responding to their whining at the UN, Modi is making them look pathetic.

Way I see it, they can either escalate militarily or through terror.

If they escalate militarily, we have established that we can match them at the same level - but at 10 times the volume. I don't think this will be their first choice.

If they escallate through terror, they better be prepared for Sukhoi's targetting specific factilities in Pakistan which will result in severe H&D losses for them (if nothing else). If their airforce attempts to interfere, they probably will not have one left when its all said and done.

They have no good options and are fcuked - the generals know this.

[Dipanker]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

News hour debate on Musharraf 'inciting Kashmiris' remark

Watch from 12:30 to 14:00 minutes. Paki guests (ex-Army) are openly nuclear sabre rattling "one bomb in Delhi and India will be finished". And they're so disgusting on national television "You brahmins will be shitting in your dhotis". I'm not kidding, this is an actual remark!

Why even invite these Paki morons and give them free propaganda time on our airwaves? This does not make sense.

[shiv]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

--shoulda stayed in the benis thread where it belongs

[Kashi]

Why even invite these Paki morons and give them free propaganda time on our airwaves? This does not make sense.

When these morons make fools of themselves with statements like "Eid is not celebrated in India" or "Eid in India is about Hindu philosophy" or "Brahman dhoti etc." it goes a long way in dispelling the falsehoods spread by the likes of MSA, Burkha, Thappad, SV, NRam and their ilk.

This is the true face of Pakis which is now being broadcast mainstream and widespread..more and more people are beginning to see what they are, first hand.

The sermons of "trust us, RAPEs are like us only, it's the politics...blah blah" will barely convince any. Plus, the DDM who claim to be good friends with these monsters and vouch for their credibility lose their face and influence , the more this perfidy is exposed.

In my opinion, Arnab is doing a good job in getting these muppets to bite the bait and bare their true ugly inner selves to India and the world at large. Remember, it's not just the people of India who watch these videos..they are available to anyone who understands English and there are a lot of them around.

[partha]

x-post from benis for wider audience.

--shoulda stayed in the benis thread where it belongs

I x-posted mainly for Indian lurkers of this thread. Those comments will piss off any potential WKK out there. Those comments are from men who once served in Pakistan army and not from some online Paki trolls. So let people know what kind of men serve in PA.

[partha]

In my opinion, Arnab is doing a good job in getting these muppets to bite the bait and bare their true ugly inner selves to India and the world at large. Remember, it's not just the people of India who watch these videos..they are available to anyone who understands English and there are a lot of them around.

I agree these Pakis should be invited to Indian mainstream shows to expose their Pakistaniyat but I get headache watching Arnab's show. A few days back, he had 12 guests. 12!! The screen had 12 windows. Absolute cacophony. One can run the show calmly and still expose Pakistaniyat. Like how Vikram Chandra did in his Big Fight. The anchor doesn't have to provoke. Just give those Pakis some free airtime and they will do the rest.

[partha]

Way I see it, they can either escalate militarily or through terror.

If they escalate militarily, we have established that we can match them at the same level - but at 10 times the volume. I don't think this will be their first choice.

They have no good options and are fcuked - the generals know this.

It will be really interesting to see what options Modi govt has thought of in case of a terror attack. I hope Govt doesn't get to exercise those options but Pakis being Pakis, a terror attack is on the cards now that their military provocation has failed. I'm sure Govt knows this and has a plan in place for response.

[Gus]

Is this a Shia-only doctrine, or does it extend to Sunnis also?

najis means 'unclean' and can refer to things and people. only shia seem to add kufr to list of najis.

see here for some deep analysis

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/111 ... ter-najis/

--If a kafir dives into a swimming pool or small pond, does the water then become najis?

-- Well brother, as for making a body of water Najis, I highly doubt that. Why? because an ocean is a body of water, when a Kafir jumps in the pacific ocean in China, does that make the entire ocean and everything in it najis? No, that is illogical.

--

This will depend on 2 things:

1-the ammount of water. i.e. if the water is "KURR" or not.

Kurr = Water, which fills a container whose length, breadth and depth are three and half spans each, is equal to a Kurr. Based on this, the volume of water will be 42.875 cubic span, though 36 cubic span is enough.

2-If because of him the water acquires the smell, colour, or taste of that najasat,

In other words if the swimming pool or pond is large (Kurr or more than kurr) and its smell, colour, or taste does not change the pool water will remain pak.

On the other hand if the swimming pool or pond is small (less than kurr) it will become najis regardless

and the best is

well the problem I have with it, is that Water is made up of hydrogen atoms, and oxygen atoms. And the brother said that the water becomes Najis when there is a color change, or change in smell. Well, the air we breath is made up of Oxygen atoms, + carbon dioxide and another elements. But Air, is the same as water, in the sense that when water evaporates, the water vapour is actually air. Now, coming to that conclusion, without water vapour in the air, I dont think we would be able to breath. As since Air is similar or the same as water in many respects, then the same law should apply for air. But this would mean that if a person is in a room, and a Najis person walks in, and passes gas for example, then the room and the air in it have become najis. This defies all logic. And another point I would like to make clear, the Sun is a muttahir, so for example, small bodies of water, regardless of whether or not they are 'Pak' or tahir, will never become Najis because of the Sun. Now keeping in mind that the Moon reflects the light of the Sun, then the light of the moon would also be muttahir. Why? Its like pointing a beam of sunlight with a mirror to a place where Sun normally does not reach, that WILL make it tahir. So the only way this fatwa fits in place is 2 scenarios, an indoor swimming pool, or on a cloudy day. Also, one must remember that in ALL air, whether or not its indoor or outdoor, there is water vapour, and if for example it was a cloudy day, and someone who is Najis went into a pool, and the pool became Najis, and the water evaporated, and now we are in a cloudy night, and in the air there is Najis water vapour, and the water vapour gets moved along by winds, now does ALL the area, and all the air that his Najis water vapour touch become Najis as well, until the Sun comes up? I mean this does not break any laws of Najasa, and its certainly logical steps or procedures. Now as for the Fatwa of Imam Khomenie (qas), I will look it up Insha Allah, and for Khoe (ra) I have his book as well, and as for Seestani (HA) I have his book as well, Insha Allah I will look into the fatwas, and ask a representative of Sayyed Seestani to clarify the montique and Ijtahid behind this, because it does not make any logical sense in my mind. Besides, a fatwa of Ayotallah Khamenie (HA) says that if you do not see the Najasa, then you MUST believe its tahir. So, assume that the person goes into the pool, and the pool is discoloured a little bit, but after a while because of the chlorine, it returns to normal colours, now I am a muqalid of Sayyed Khamenie (HA), and I come a long and see an empty pool, according to my Marja, if I dont see Najasa, I am to believe its tahir. Are you now saying its Najis for me, and I will become Najis after swimming in the pool. Also does not make sense in my mind. Insha Allah, I would like to hear your answers, and then I will refer my question to a representative of Sayyed Seestani (HA).

allah...what troubles these people go through to figure out such a meaningless irrelevant shi'ite...

[member_28397]

Way I see it, they can either escalate militarily or through terror.

If they escalate militarily, we have established that we can match them at the same level - but at 10 times the volume. I don't think this will be their first choice.

They have no good options and are fcuked - the generals know this.

It will be really interesting to see what options Modi govt has thought of in case of a terror attack. I hope Govt doesn't get to exercise those options but Pakis being Pakis, a terror attack is on the cards now that their military provocation has failed. I'm sure Govt knows this and has a plan in place for response.

In case of terror hit, I won't expect a direct military strike from development minded govt.
Covert strike on ISI/Military top jeehadi officers & families should be okayed, border should be heated more, also the aman ki asha and other nataks of people to people CBM's should be taken out bus/rail services, trade corridors.
POTA should be reintroduced, all the homegrown paki supporting networks should be taken down. Huge international effort will be launched to stop all economic aid and military aid to terrorist nation.

or I might be wrong, Modi will just F*** FACE Porkistan once and for all.

[Pratyush]

The WKK know what kind of person serves in the PA. they sweep it under the rug, by doing ==.

[shiv]

I x-posted mainly for Indian lurkers of this thread. Those comments will piss off any potential WKK out there. Those comments are from men who once served in Pakistan army and not from some online Paki trolls. So let people know what kind of men serve in PA.

No It's OK - I only meant that it is just one of those Paki things that is seriously benis-worthy. Time was where there was a real difference between benis stuff and Paki thread stuff. Nowadays real news and events from Pakistan can go straight in the benis thread and no one will know the difference.

[Vivasvat]

Sending Pakistan to Mars

Although Indians had falsely celebrated their five nuclear tests of 1998 — which were based upon well-known physics of the 1940s — the Mars mission is a true accomplishment.

Standards of English in Pakistan must improve; they have fallen so low that English-language TV channels no longer exist.

[member_22733]

^^^^ In the above article

Second, we must re-educate ourselves to know the difference between science and “cargo science”. This phrase, borrowed from anthropology, was introduced by the physicist Richard Feynman during his 1974 commencement address at the California Institute of Technology.

Feynman said: “In the South Seas there is a cargo cult of people. During [the Second World War] they saw airplanes land with lots of good materials, and they want the same thing to happen now. So they’ve arranged to imitate things like runways, to put fires along the sides of the runways, to make a wooden hut for a man to sit in, with two wooden pieces on his head like headphones and bars of bamboo sticking out like antennas — he’s the controller — and they wait for the airplanes to land. They’re doing everything right. The form is perfect. But it doesn’t work.

Someone has been reading the WU thread. Happy lurking and welcome to BRF

[Vivasvat]

Airspace ke naam pe dede baba...
Nato using Pakistani airspace for free since 2001, Senate told

The revelation that the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) did not receive even a single penny from the US-led Nato forces took many by surprise, with some senators eager to know who had allowed this waiver.

During question hour, the house was informed that two engineers, formerly serving in PIA’s flight operations department, had been working in the sales and marketing department of the national flag-carrier for years.
“How can engineers be marketers,” Babar Ghauri remarked and wondered if marketing staff were repairing aircraft at PIA.
More discussion of such national importance is needed!

The house will meet again on Monday at 4pm and is likely to begin discussion on Indian aggression along the LoC and the Working Boundary.

[Rahul M]

from my FB timeline :

2 countries became independent in 1947.
it is now 2014. one of those countries has reached mars.
the other is still trying to enter India !