West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 18 Oct 2014 03:07

Supplying the Kurds is something that we should look into. They can be a spring board for us to expand our presence in the ME. We can also utilize the relationship to preserve the Yehzidis and other dharmic faiths which are being persecuted. I'm sure something behind the scenes may be happening.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Oct 2014 07:25

Unfortunately being honest is not possible in this situation. India cannot send troops to help the victims of ISIS because far too many Indians depend on the mercies of the ISIS' puppetteers: KSA and the Gelf oiseules.

The Yazidis and Kurds are not relevant to Indian policy or economics.
As the old saying goes:

Only the Kingdom of Heaven runs on Truth.
All the Kingdoms of the Earth run on Oil.

As for those who advice India to "act like a superpower" by sending a whole infantry division into a slaughterhouse with no hope of an exit strategy, saying "we are fully BEHIND you!", I think it would be good to read General Satish Nambiar's writings after he saw the treachery of the US and UK goons in the UNPKF in Serbia/Bosnia. Remember that he quit?

The problem here is that the Arabs and Africans have no concept of human rights or democracy. The Oiropeans do, but their concept of capitalist colonialism is far more dominant. The Truth is a distant 1000th place on their list of priorities.
Better to stay out. If NaMO feels that India has too many divisions, heck, send a few more up into Tawang/Arunachal/ Siachen/ Ladakh or west into Lahore, Sialkot and Muzzzafarabad.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Oct 2014 11:02

More importantly is supporting he enw Afghan regime with heavy eqpt. like arty,tanks,MICVs,missiles,helos ,counter-insurgency aircraft,etc.We have already supplied eqpt. through Russia,posted some time ago,and a joint Indo-Central Asian-Russian initiative,along with the US,will keep the Taliban at bay.The Afghan talibs rely mainly upon the Paki ISI support and this has to be neutralised if the US wants to quit some day and prevent a resurgence of the Talibs,AlQ or even ISIS from squatting in Afghanistan.The Afghan govt. must be given the support,both material and economic to fight for their own land.Former pres. Karzai pleaded with us for greater support.We must be bold here and take the initiative in our won backyard!

The MEast can be left to its own devices for now.The US/West and the oily monarchies have screwed up the region so much that anyone stepping in will get a bloody nose at great cost.The Saudis love others to take up their cause and are willing to lay down the life of the last American/Western soldier in defence of their realm!

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 18 Oct 2014 11:56

Afghanistan is complicated. Till such a time there is an educated middle class and an elite that has interests in fighting for the westphalian nation, there are huge chances that the country might fall back to tribalism of the 90s.
Giving heavy arms to the afghan govt in such a scenario might be similar to the actions of the US govt vis a vis the Iraqi army post 2003.
Perhaps India should train the hazara shias to defend themselves. They are perhaps the only community who will be slaughtered if tribalism returns to Afghanistan.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 18 Oct 2014 15:44

UlanBatori wrote:Unfortunately being honest is not possible in this situation. India cannot send troops to help the victims of ISIS because far too many Indians depend on the mercies of the ISIS' puppetteers: KSA and the Gelf oiseules.

The Yazidis and Kurds are not relevant to Indian policy or economics.
As the old saying goes:

Only the Kingdom of Heaven runs on Truth.
All the Kingdoms of the Earth run on Oil.

As for those who advice India to "act like a superpower" by sending a whole infantry division into a slaughterhouse with no hope of an exit strategy, saying "we are fully BEHIND you!", I think it would be good to read General Satish Nambiar's writings after he saw the treachery of the US and UK goons in the UNPKF in Serbia/Bosnia. Remember that he quit?

The problem here is that the Arabs and Africans have no concept of human rights or democracy. The Oiropeans do, but their concept of capitalist colonialism is far more dominant. The Truth is a distant 1000th place on their list of priorities.
Better to stay out. If NaMO feels that India has too many divisions, heck, send a few more up into Tawang/Arunachal/ Siachen/ Ladakh or west into Lahore, Sialkot and Muzzzafarabad.

but..but...what about the probability of those "armored Toyotas advancing though the streets" (Mongol hysteria summarized) of Delhi?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Oct 2014 17:06

I did not say the Toyotas are armored, unless you consider the fragrance field of a bunch of ISIS 'fighters' wearing white carnations behind their ears to be 'armor'. I said the Toyotas would have human shield hood ornaments as they come through Pennsylvania Avenue.
U clearly haven't been reading the 'right' American websites where such things are described in detail.
No fear of any such in New Delhi: they would not survive encounters with the 3-wheeler Tempos and the cows.
Glad to see you back, TSJ. People here have been anxiously awaiting your analysis of Operation (secret) Indolent Dissolve (ID) starring POTUS BO and the Chief of Staff Joints.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Oct 2014 19:38

One main reason for not deploying to Iraq was GOAT would have entered India.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 19 Oct 2014 01:38

First of all, Baghdad is not going to "fall" although they will suffer more horrendous car bombings. you will note that the Iranian stooge Maliki and his cohorts had all the blast walls removed when US troops departed. Stupid is as stupid does. Oh, the Baghdad airport is not going to fall either.

2. Isis is giving the US a wonderful opportunity to test weapons and gear. Indefinitely. Like forever or something. already I see improvements in the Apaches as they operate over Anbar province. They're doing some real nice work. What happened to the manpad threat?

3. Maliki is gone. No more shia everything. If the new government wants to win back their territory they are going to have to unite their various constituent elements. They probably won't. Doesn't really make any difference to the US.

4. Threats to the US mainland are real from returning ISIS goons from Syria. That's a major draw back. Only time will tell.

5. Kobani Syria is a side show. It's a real nice honey hole to draw in a major ISIS effort. More targets for the US Navy Hornets and assorted associates.

That's about it for now........

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Oct 2014 03:20

Has Kobane become vortex of death for ISIS? As U.S. jets obliterate fanatics from the air and Kurds suck them into street 'meat grinder', experts believe jihadists have finally made strategic miscalculation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dists.html

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 19 Oct 2014 03:37

TSJones wrote:First of all, Baghdad is not going to "fall" although they will suffer more horrendous car bombings. you will note that the Iranian stooge Maliki and his cohorts had all the blast walls removed when US troops departed. Stupid is as stupid does. Oh, the Baghdad airport is not going to fall either.

2. Isis is giving the US a wonderful opportunity to test weapons and gear. Indefinitely. Like forever or something. already I see improvements in the Apaches as they operate over Anbar province. They're doing some real nice work. What happened to the manpad threat?

3. Maliki is gone. No more shia everything. If the new government wants to win back their territory they are going to have to unite their various constituent elements. They probably won't. Doesn't really make any difference to the US.

4. Threats to the US mainland are real from returning ISIS goons from Syria. That's a major draw back. Only time will tell.

5. Kobani Syria is a side show. It's a real nice honey hole to draw in a major ISIS effort. More targets for the US Navy Hornets and assorted associates.

That's about it for now........

"Like forever or something"

Yeah keep supplying the very forces you are killing just like you did in Afghanistan and keep flushing money down the toilet.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Oct 2014 05:32

Gas is below $3.00 in Ulan Bator. Gotta check into Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon stock..
Look at those smoke clouds - who or what lived in those places?

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 19 Oct 2014 11:40

First of all, Baghdad is not going to "fall" although they will suffer more horrendous car bombings. you will note that the Iranian stooge Maliki and his cohorts had all the blast walls removed when US troops departed. Stupid is as stupid does. Oh, the Baghdad airport is not going to fall either.

There were no blasts in Baghdad when macho superpower troops were `patrolling the city`. Baghdad wont fall because Mosul, Raqqa, Tikrit, Fallujah have not fallen. More importantly because TSJ knows the future.

2. Isis is giving the US a wonderful opportunity to test weapons and gear. Indefinitely. Like forever or something. already I see improvements in the Apaches as they operate over Anbar province. They're doing some real nice work. What happened to the manpad threat?

One accordingly deduces that US and its allies get their citizens beheaded and bombed so that they can test weapons in remote parts of the world.

3. Maliki is gone. No more shia everything. If the new government wants to win back their territory they are going to have to unite their various constituent elements. They probably won't. Doesn't really make any difference to the US.

Its Malikis fault or someone else`s.

4. Threats to the US mainland are real from returning ISIS goons from Syria. That's a major draw back. Only time will tell.

US can feel threatened.

I thought the macho hulks were above fear. Good that you are testing those apaches and new weapons infinitely.

5. Kobani Syria is a side show. It's a real nice honey hole to draw in a major ISIS effort. More targets for the US Navy Hornets and assorted associates.

Baghdad, Iraq is a side show too.

Doesn't really make any difference to the US

. 9/11 was orchestrated by US so that it could test its weapons in Afghanistan.

We missed you.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 19 Oct 2014 14:00

Fortunately, you don't know what you're talking about other than to troll. Have a nice day!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 19 Oct 2014 17:20

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Isil.html

IS fighters flee Kobane, those wounded are getting first class treatment in Turkey
With their best fighters gone in US bombing, IS losing to locals in hand to hand , room to room battle

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Oct 2014 18:32

Seeing this, I am able to understand the reasons for the 1974 recession in the US. The administration of the time failed to sell arms to the North Vietnamese and Chinese, to use against the American soldiers in South Vietnam.

Mistake never repeated, kudos! Paki-Taliban armed by US, Saddam armed by US and France, now ISIS armed by US, facilitated by NATO (Turkey). Win-win. So many free weapon test results on Effect of JDAM on HumVee Mark IV, etc. Survivability of AH-64 (improved version) vs. M-1A1 tank.. CEP of M-16 vs. Mark VII Sultanate Sword used against necks of 5-year-olds..

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 19 Oct 2014 21:39

The below cartoon reminds me of SAMe To You cartoon that was once famous

Triangular flags.

Describes the situation in Kobane in great detail.
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com ... _on_Kobane

http://samuelkub.blogspot.in/2014/09/th ... obane.html
Like We Say In Kurdistan "YAN KURDISTAN YAN NAMAN"

Does the term Naman similar to Indian Naman

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 19 Oct 2014 21:51

uddu wrote:[img]Does the term Naman similar to Indian Naman

Yep it is. The pre-Islamic religion is nothing but Hinduism plus a mix of buddhism. Whenever buddhism gets mixed with Hinduism, Hinduism falls.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 20 Oct 2014 04:49

^^ yes, just like in India.

Narendranaik this is a caution for blatant and ignorant off topic nonsense.... Your agenda, whatever it is, will not be pushed on brf.

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 20 Oct 2014 05:10

JE Menon wrote:^^ yes, just like in India.

Narendranaik this is a caution for blatant and ignorant off topic nonsense.... Your agenda, whatever it is, will not be pushed on brf.

No agenda saar, but it is true that the pacisfist philosophy of Buddhism which is a branch of Hinduism itself should never be adopted into the foreign policy of the country. The Ashokan Empire fell because of that.

Just my two cents onlee

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Oct 2014 07:32

I had mentioned this once before in passing...large parts of kobane are heaps of rubble. the defenders have nowhere to run and for many it is their hometown. they are undergunned but familiar with the ruins. the ISIS cannot be seen to shamefully back down now and retreat, tails between their legs as they rely on psyops to show their invincibility.

the situation has become similar to stalingrad...replace the turkey border by the volga in the back..limited resupply comes across that.
replace the final russian pincer movement by the US airstrikes. while local ISIS commanders might want a tactical withdrawal their top brass must be putting pressure to end this favourably and press the attack. while punishment for disobedience in german top brass was a trip to the wulfbunker anda personal dressing down by the hitlerian elite or worse a trip to some gestapo prison, the punishment for ISIS is the knife.

this is a good opportunity to draw the moths to the flame and pound them in the open desert attempting to reach the town if C4ISR assets are kept in the air 24x7 to direct strikes.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 20 Oct 2014 09:17

The Flight of their Lives

The White House wants the Kurds to help save Iraq from ISIS. The Kurds may be more interested in breaking away.

;; long article.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Oct 2014 11:06

The question I have is, what is West's interest in defeating the ISIS. I am not thinking about the Beheading business. Nor am i speaking of "Comfort slaves".

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 20 Oct 2014 11:58

The West interest is that the Sunni Wahabis who are fighting for ISIS, now that they many white converts among them do not get a victory so easily that they think they can take on the west by initiating anther big terror attack or series of them.

If you have been in the Arab world and seen TV there, you would think there are only 2 power pivots in the world, US and its allies and then the Arab world and how the Arab world would then be the next superpower.

They feel they are adolescent bachelor lions waiting to kill/dispose of the Pride Lion coalition. The USA and allies keep showing them their military superiority time to time so as to ensure that they don't get too ambitious but stick to the geopolitical goals set for them by the US and allies.

munna · Post by **munna** » 20 Oct 2014 13:04

Shia youth ‘who fought ISIS’ gets grand welcome home in Lucknow

A PhD student in Shia theology who claims to be the only Indian to have fought against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS, or IS) was on Sunday given a rousing welcome by the Shia community here on his return home. Maulana Syed Abbas Nasir Saeed Abqati, 28, the son of prominent Shia cleric Maulana Agha Roohi, was studying at Najaf University in July when clashes with the ISIS broke out in Iraq. He claims to have enrolled for the force comprising civilians and others that was trained by the Iraqi forces and fought the ISIS for one month. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... snvx1.dpuf

Such examples have the potential to import foreign troubles closer home.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Oct 2014 13:05

the syrian ambassador to india has last week named 4 EU countries who opened back channels to Assad to offer deleting any HR charges against him if he could eliminate the 100s of EU cadres who have flooded into ISIS in syria-iraq. this was not carried by the international media.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 76261.aspx

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Oct 2014 13:07

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/20102014

WASHINGTON/ERBIL - The Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) gave the go-ahead for US-supplied weapons intended for its forces to be diverted to Syrian Kurds fighting to hold Kobane, a senior KRG source told Rudaw.

“It was a question of national duty” to help arm the besieged Kurdish militia, who are currently defending the border town against Islamic State attack.

The sources was speaking after the US military said on Sunday that the US air force airdropped arms and medical supplies to Kurdish fighters in the city of Kobane.

“US military forces conducted multiple airdrops tonight in the vicinity of Kobani, Syria to resupply Kurdish forces on the ground defending the city,” US Central Command said in a statement.

According to the statement, the supplies were provided by the Kurdish authorities in Iraq.

“The aircraft delivered weapons, ammunition and medical supplies that were provided by Kurdish authorities in Iraq and intended to enable continued resistance against ISIL's attempts to overtake Kobani,”
Military analysts said the weapons were likely to have been old Soviet era stock procured by the US and originally intended to be supplied to the KRG Peshmerga.

This statement also added that the US Air Force has conducted more than 135 airstrikes against Islamist militants in Kobane.

The Kurdish city of Kobane was under siege from the Islamic State (IS) for more than a month until the fighters of the Peoples Protection Units (YPG) with support from the US air force pushed back the militants and regained control of the city last week.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Oct 2014 13:10

Islamic State foiled in attempt to kidnap Syrian rebel leader in Turkey
Attempted kidnap of top Syrian rebel commander inside Turkey suggests the Islamic State is operating inside this Nato country with relative impunity
Heavy smoke rises following an airstrike by the US-led coalition aircraft in Kobane, Syria
Heavy smoke rises following an airstrike by the US-led coalition aircraft in Kobane, Syria Photo: Gokhan Sahin/Getty Images
By Ruth Sherlock, Yilmaz Ibrahim Pasha in Urfa and Magdy Samaan7:48PM BST 19 Oct 2014
A top Syrian rebel commander was shot and wounded in an apparent kidnapping attempt by the Islamic State in a Turkish city, raising questions about Ankara’s readiness to stop jihadists operating on its soil.
Abu Issa, the leader of Thuwar Raqqa, a Syrian rebel group who has been fighting the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) in the town of Kobane, was ambushed by Isil extremists in Urfa in neighbouring Turkey.
Ankara has adopted tighter national security measures in recent months in an attempt to stem the flow of foreign fighters who have used its long border with Syria as a conduit to jihad.
But the flagrant kidnapping attempt in the southeastern town of Urfa, shows how Isil can still operate inside this Nato country with relative impunity.
The rebel commander and his son, Ammar, 20, were snatched from the car on Friday afternoon whilst returning home after meeting with Turkish officials in Urfa city centre, his aides told the Telegraph.
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“Isil cars blocked the road ahead of them, and four armed men grabbed them from the vehicle,” said Ahmed Abdul Khader, a spokesman for Thuwar Raqqa. “It was 6.30pm.”
A matching account of the kidnapping was separately given to the Telegraph by Abo Ayham, another military commander in the group.
Abu Issa’s closest advisor, who was driving, had been in on the Isil plot, Mr Khader said, detouring to the quiet back road where the attack happened: “When the Isil cars blocked the road ahead, Abu Issa told the driver to turn around, but he just switched the engine off, and let the kidnappers take them from the car,” he said.
Abu Issa recognised two of the attackers, who had not covered their faces, as Isil members.
The kidnappers drove Abu Issa and his son at top speed towards the border and were intending to smuggle them to Syria.
Increased Turkish military presence there made it too difficult to cross, and the kidnap attempt was ultimately failed when one of the smugglers working with the Isil jihadists bailed on the plot.
The smuggler left Abu Issa, who was reportedly shot through the side during the kidnap attempt, at a hospital in Urfa early on Saturday morning.
The Telegraph was unable to reach the rebel commander but Abu Issa has long been a top target for Isil.
His death would be a massive blow for Thuwar Raqqa, whose men have been selected to receive military training in Turkey in the renewed, US-led push to defeat Isil in Syria.
The jihadist kidnappers, and Abu Issa’s advisor, who was reported to have been paid by the jihadists for his betrayal have since been arrested by the Turkish police, However, they are one of several cells that are said to be openly operating in Urfa and other Turkish border towns.
One Syrian in Turkey, who asked not to be named, used to be friends with four men who have since joined Isil: “I see them living a comfortable life in Urfa; they eat in the restaurants and spend time in cafes,” he said. “Nobody bothers them.”
Mr Khader said he had reported several Isil members in Turkey to the MIT, the country’s intelligence services: “They say: “Don’t worry, we are watching them.” But they don’t arrest them.”
Western governments have accused Turkey of not doing enough to stop Isil using its soil as a route for bringing fighters and supplies into Syria.
Last year the Telegraph reported how hundreds of extremist recruits were being kept in safe houses in Turkey before being smuggled to fight in the conflict next door.
Turkish officials vehemently deny that they have tolerated the presence of Isil extremists in the country.
They argue that the countries that the jihadists are coming from, including Britain, have a responsibility to stop these men and women from travelling to Turkey.
One senior official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity said: “If we are warned in advance, we can stop them at the airport,” said the official. “But we need to have a legal basis. We can’t just refuse someone entry because they have a long beard.”
The official said this cooperation between states was improving, and that Turkey has turned back “6000 jihadists” who tried to enter the country.
Turkish security officials have also tracked down, arrested and in some cases deported “1000” Isil members in recent months, he said: “But it is much harder to do than stopping them from entering.”
Analysts have noted that Turkey is treading carefully because it fears that, in attacking Isil, either on its home turf, or as part of an international coalition in Syria and Iraq, could spark a wave of suicide and car bomb attacks by Isil inside Turkey.
The effect for Turkey, whose economy relies in large part on tourism, would be devastating.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 20 Oct 2014 14:30

The Ataturks must get back to power in Turkey

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Oct 2014 14:32

Turkey is playing a very dangerous game.

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 9m9 minutes ago

Turkey to allow Iraqi Kurdish fighters to cross Syrian border to Kobane to fight Islamic State militants - minister http://bbc.in/11VArFH

Not sure is this is true or just another attempt to divert the pressure.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 20 Oct 2014 15:38

so now that Jihadis seem to have been pushed back decisively from Kobane, is this the point where this conflict descends into a war of attrition?

how will Saudi/Qatar (Sunni jihadi funding sources) react? are they going to double down and provide more arms and ammunition? if so, this is directly fighting Uncle.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Oct 2014 15:44

^^
Pakistan directly fought Uncle in Afghanistan that too using Uncle's money. Not a novel situation for Uncle.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 20 Oct 2014 16:29

pankajs wrote:^^
Pakistan directly fought Uncle in Afghanistan that too using Uncle's money. Not a novel situation for Uncle.

yes, but this conflict has gotten the kind of attention that Pak never got until OBL got martyrdom.

at the very least, Unkil will have to not raise "human rights" voices against non-Jihadi forces when they retaliate with equal and greater violence on the Jihadis. I think that can be one positive outcome of this. generally speaking, ISIS allows nonmuslims to now pay Islam back with interest and more.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 20 Oct 2014 19:30

UlanBatori wrote:Unfortunately being honest is not possible in this situation. India cannot send troops to help the victims of ISIS because far too many Indians depend on the mercies of the ISIS' puppetteers: KSA and the Gelf oiseules.

The Yazidis and Kurds are not relevant to Indian policy or economics.
As the old saying goes:

Only the Kingdom of Heaven runs on Truth.
All the Kingdoms of the Earth run on Oil.

As for those who advice India to "act like a superpower" by sending a whole infantry division into a slaughterhouse with no hope of an exit strategy, saying "we are fully BEHIND you!", I think it would be good to read General Satish Nambiar's writings after he saw the treachery of the US and UK goons in the UNPKF in Serbia/Bosnia. Remember that he quit?

The problem here is that the Arabs and Africans have no concept of human rights or democracy. The Oiropeans do, but their concept of capitalist colonialism is far more dominant. The Truth is a distant 1000th place on their list of priorities.
Better to stay out. If NaMO feels that India has too many divisions, heck, send a few more up into Tawang/Arunachal/ Siachen/ Ladakh or west into Lahore, Sialkot and Muzzzafarabad.

Hear Hear. Let us secure our neighborhood first

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 20 Oct 2014 20:13

All the Kingdoms of the Earth run on Oil.

..

generally speaking, ISIS allows nonmuslims to now pay Islam back with interest and more.

So without oil wells or independent oil supply, Indians are at mercy of Sunni Arabs and their terrorist networks and munnas. We aren't able to buy oil from Iran too while Saudi can buy nukes from pakis without any sanctions! It is high time we invest in oil drilling as strategic investment, and not miss out again on action against mobs of barbarians who torture others under religious sloganeering.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2014 01:36

ISIS attacks - 15 places at once. Now that the Peshmarga are racing through Turkey to Kobani on slow Turkish trains that MAY encounter all sorts of delays, the ISIS renews attacks in Eyerak.

Also, do u get the feeling that Kurdistan == Israel deja vu? Both are small communities surrounded by hostile Islamic 'nations' and 'non-state actors'. Only thing is that Kurds don't have a vast worldwide diaspora that can come in once the new nation is approved by the UN.

And an Israel with OIL!!! That can buy F-22s and F-35s. Yipppeeeeee!!!!

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2014 01:40

It is high time we invest in oil drilling as strategic investment, and not miss out again on action against mobs of barbarians who torture others under religious sloganeering.

High time India moves away from fossil oil. But OT, sorry.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 21 Oct 2014 02:12

munna wrote:A PhD student in Shia theology who claims to be the only Indian to have fought against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS, or IS) was on Sunday given a rousing welcome by the Shia community here on his return home. Maulana Syed Abbas Nasir Saeed Abqati, 28, the son of prominent Shia cleric Maulana Agha Roohi, was studying at Najaf University in July when clashes with the ISIS broke out in Iraq. He claims to have enrolled for the force comprising civilians and others that was trained by the Iraqi forces and fought the ISIS for one month. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... snvx1.dpuf

this should be snuffed out. there was a furor about some tn muslim youth wearing ISIS support t-shirts. some arrests were made too. we don't want to send our citizens to radicalize overseas and bring that here.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2014 05:39

UlanBatori wrote:ISIS attacks - 15 places at once. Now that the Peshmarga are racing through Turkey to Kobani on slow Turkish trains that MAY encounter all sorts of delays, the ISIS renews attacks in Eyerak. Also, do u get the feeling that Kurdistan == Israel deja vu? Both are small communities surrounded by hostile Islamic 'nations' and 'non-state actors'. Only thing is that Kurds don't have a vast worldwide diaspora that can come in once the new nation is approved by the UN. And an Israel with OIL!!! That can buy F-22s and F-35s. Yipppeeeeee!!!!

There are 40 Million Kurds all together.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Oct 2014 05:48

Wow! Israel (Jewish, they don't count the 'others' I suppose, since those are threatening to outgrow and outvote the Jews) is 8,252,500
So yes, Kurdistan could be a major force.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Oct 2014 05:52

UlanBatori wrote:Wow! Israel (Jewish, they don't count the 'others' I suppose, since those are threatening to outgrow and outvote the Jews) is 8,252,500
So yes, Kurdistan could be a major force.

No that is the total population which includes Arabs, Christians etc. Jews are about 6.2 mil acc. to wiki.