Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Oct 2014 19:44

Raja Ram
>>The US is preparing to fund the Dam in POK for the Pakis.

This is somewhat significant. Because the US through it's allied NGO's has opposed construction of large dams all over the world. From China's Three Gorges to India's Narmada and Nepal's West Seti & A3. Because large dams reduce dependence on US's preferred energy for the unempowered of third world and it's poorer citizens viz fossil fuels.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 21 Oct 2014 19:46

Some madarsa statistics. Take them with a huge bucket of salt
10 alarming statistics about Pakistan’s out-of-school children

habal · Post by **habal** » 21 Oct 2014 20:02

fun starts at 26:20

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vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 21 Oct 2014 20:06

All award winning protestors and world famous moral keepers of south Asia seem to be only in the land of cast-ridden India and none in land of peace and terrorist munna of P1. Aman ka rageboi movement, green peace etcetera etcetera don't seem to help either - especially if amrika is to finance what is in middle of disputed territory.

A clear example of power politics in disputed territory.

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 21 Oct 2014 20:36

A_Gupta wrote:Notice - unlike the Pakistani and Western liberal "majority are moderate onlee, and the fanatics are just a few percent", Prof. Habib labels the Millat, the multitude as fanatical; and only a small group rise above that to broad humanism and lack of fear of Muslim popular opinion. IMO, this is very important - but it just may be me.

+400%

But to diagnose Baki problem (opportunity) to be a Malsi one is to address the symptom & not the disease!

Bakistan & that region would be a problem even if they were communist or buddhist...
On the I may be a minority on this forum.

Vivasvat · Post by **Vivasvat** » 21 Oct 2014 21:28

Brad Goodman wrote:Some madarsa statistics. Take them with a huge bucket of salt
10 alarming statistics about Pakistan’s out-of-school children

Even if taken with bucket of NaCl, the out of school statistics for the children of middle, upper middle and rich classes is pretty damning.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Oct 2014 22:57

Pakistan will not accept Indian hegemony'
These Ghulams have already Lost It

BAD – Adviser on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sirrkhaaj Marriz on Tuesday urged greater national unity to effectively tackle challenges being faced by Pakistan, including the situation on the Line of Control and relations with India.“The whole nation will have to be united and tell India that we will never accept Indian supremacy or hegemony; will never forget rights of Kashmiris; and will protect our vital interests,” he told a TV programme at the state-run broadcast.The adviser said that India would have to be told that Pakistan in terms of military or defence has capability to protect its vital interests and there should not be any doubt in this respect. He said that the parliament would also debate this issue and would guide the government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on how to tackle the current crisis.That is why the Indian side cancelled the secretary-level meeting on flimsy grounds, he said, adding that forgetting Kashmir on the pretext that it was not an issue was not acceptable to Pakistan. “If Kashmir is not an issue, why you have deployed 700,000 troops in the state, why the troops from the two sides are sitting eye-ball to eye-ball on the Line of Control, and why the Kashmiris are still agitating for their rights,” he said.Sartaj said that this issue could not be whisked-away. “If meaningful talks are held, we can find a solution which is acceptable to Kashmiris.” He said that it was not just an issue between Pakistan and India but it was a matter of self-determination by Kashmiris. To a question, he said if the tension at the Line of Control escalated, it could affect the economic future of the the whole South Asia.However, Sartaj hoped that in the coming days, India would realise that this tension would tarnish its image at the international level, as the world was already disappointed over the cancellation of secretary-level talks.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 21 Oct 2014 23:03

Gas who...

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 21 Oct 2014 23:10

^^^
Teenage awara badmash?

James B · Post by **James B** » 21 Oct 2014 23:20

Out of school Children by region

partha · Post by **partha** » 22 Oct 2014 00:20

What exactly is Praveen Swami trying to say? He says we are shooting ourselves in the foot implying retaliating to Pak attack along LoC and IB is not a good strategy and then goes on to say this -

How to resolve this conundrum isn’t obvious — which is precisely why so many governments have struggled, unsuccessfully, with the same problem. Modi may well succeed where others didn’t, but it won’t be with showy, made-for-television fireworks on the Line of Control.

If he thinks there is no obvious solution and that Modi may well succeed then why argue that we are shooting ourselves in the foot? Seems like he just wanted to "be different" and make an opinion contrary to the popular perception that current strategy is good.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 22 Oct 2014 01:33

No. He does not want it to be resolved. This is how losers who support wimps and clueless for so long come up with excuses. Since my wimp didn't do it, you can never do it. If someone else attempts and does it, they are afraid all of them will be exposed.

Moron says it won't be pretty. So lets not do it.
HellYeah!

Dealing with barbaric scum of the earth terrorist army is not pretty.

Dealing with ISIS is not pretty. Kurdish women are not lying on their back waiting for the barbaric garbage to come and climb on them and behead them. I can't believe no other country except India, this kind of scoundrels,traitors and trash survives for so long

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2014 01:38

Why4 r yindoos

about Dam-e-Satan in Azad Kashmir? Don't the Tarrel and Deepel Fiends need water when the come in, hain?

The main purpose is no doubt to get the dam project approved and then never finish it, keep "funding" Fauji Foundation etc with the baksheesh. Or may be like North Korea Power Station Projects: under orders to never finish.

Either way, the next good Mag 8 should cause the dam to break, sweep the POKis into the Indus and wash the place clean again.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2014 03:58

Paki NSFWKashmir Policy

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Oct 2014 04:13

Edhi’s money returned with apology

Veteran social worker Abdus Sattar Edhi, who was robbed at gunpoint at an office of his charity last week, received a box by mail yesterday with all his money and an apology note that said it was a misunderstanding.
<snip>
“I believe that he had it coming,” said a professor in criminology. Citing a number of mistakes that the 86-year-old Edhi had made, he said the revered welfare worker was extremely easy to rob. “First of all, who does he think he is, keeping more than a few thousand rupees in cash and valuables on him when he knows he lives in Karachi?” asked the expert, who closely monitors crime in Pakistan’s largest city. “I know he is a good person, but so is everyone else who gets robbed.”
“Do not take this personally,” the gunmen said in their apology. “We have nothing against you, and we admire you for all the work you are doing. We were only after your money. We salute your courage and bravery. You had so much money and were still unarmed.”
A key mistake Abdus Sattar Edhi made, according to our criminology expert, was that he had no weapons on him. “One primary reason he was targeted successfully was that he is among the very few bearded men in the city who does not have access to weapons .....

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2014 05:05

RAA Agints! Who else would RETURN money?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 22 Oct 2014 05:06

UlanBatori wrote:
they should not feel undermined," he said.
An admirable sentiment: explains why the mines are being delivered by air.

Fine print: "Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in the foregoing, overmined ( as defined in section 2 paragraph 14 to be read in consonant with rider 14 as attached without prejudice with respect section 144 of the Laws of the State of New York as amended), all aerial deliveries of said matter are hereby exempted from the requirement of prior acceptance."

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Oct 2014 05:47

30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts

Peshawar: Pakistani fighter jets targeted militant hideouts in the restive North Waziristan tribal region, killing at least 30 militants as part of the military offensive against the Taliban, officials said on Tuesday.

The latest strikes targeted militants in Datta Khel area of the region where the Taliban are still dominant despite heaving bombing by the military since it launched the offensive in mid-June.

Senior Taliban commander Daud Matta was among the 30 militants killed in the attacks, a security official said.

The jets targeted at least four militant hideouts which were destroyed, the official said.

The military has said that about 1,100 militants have been killed in the operation named 'Zarb-i-Azb'.

Army Chief General Raheel Sharif has already said that the operation will continue till militancy is completely eliminated from the country.

Zarb-i-Azb was launched by the Pakistan Army on June 15 following a brazen militant attack on Karachi's international airport and failure of peace talks between the government and Pakistani Taliban negotiators.

Pakistan provides only moral support to terrorists.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 22 Oct 2014 05:55

India Has 'Sword' Along With 'Shield', Jaitley Warns Pakistan - New Indian Express

Pakistan will "feel the pain" of "adventurism" if it persists with ceasefire violations, India warned today as it said the country now has "sword" along with "shield" which existed earlier.

Defence Minister Arun Jaitley, at the same time, said India is ready to have talks with Pakistan if it creates the environment for that.

He noted that for the last few days, there have been just sporadic incidents unlike the "huge number" of violations by Pakistan earlier.

"... When Pakistan fires, either in International border, the BSF responds, they fire in LoC, the Army responds. Our conventional strength is far more than theirs and therefore if they persist with this, the cost to them would be unaffordable. They will also feel the pain of this kind of adventurism," Jaitley told NDTV.

"...Ordinarily when Pakistan used to have (indulge in) these incidents, there was some response that we would have. But we always had a shield in our hand. This time we also had a sword in our hand," Jaitley said.

Referring to the recent firing and shelling by Pakistan on the International Border and Line of Control, he said this time the violations were high and therefore the response had to be proportionate.

"When you cross the line, this becomes wholly unacceptable," he said.

'Government Ready for Talks'

On dialogue, Jaitley said the government has never said it will not talk to Pakistan.

"Of course we are ready to talk. It is for Pakistan to create the environment for talk. That is the message which has been given to Pakistan".

Pakistan will have to stop the "triggers" which upset the environment in which talks are held, Jaitley said, identifying the "triggers" as cross-border terror and tensions at LoC.

"If they dilute their stand on these issues, perhaps you will have an atmosphere of talks," he said. Referring to Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit's meetings with Kashmiri separatists ahead of Foreign Secretary-level talks two months back, Jaitley said it was an "extremely provocative" act.

"You can't be talking to the Indian state and simultaneously talk to people who want to break the India state.

"Therefore, a strong message needed to be given to Pakistan, and that is where the NDA government is a little different. We did give that strong message to them," he said, referring to cancellation of the Foreign Secretary-level talks because of that.

He dismissed the recent sighting of ISIS flags in Jammu and Kashmir as "stray incidents of individuals".

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2014 06:07

Amber G. wrote:30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts

Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Oct 2014 06:32

shiv wrote:
Amber G. wrote:30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts
Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

Have you not heard of Tess Maar Khan?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Oct 2014 06:32

shiv wrote:
Amber G. wrote:30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts
Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

Elementary ...have you not heard of Tess Maar Khan? Really?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2014 06:34

Nice round figure too 30.
As round as Hafiz suar saeed's potbelly

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Oct 2014 06:34

Amber G. wrote: Elementary ...have you not heard of Tees Maar Khan? Really?

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Oct 2014 07:15

It's how casually they write it: Pakistan Air Force bombed civilian areas of Pakistan, killed at least 30 Pakistanis. Another day's work, another 30 violent deaths.

Think about it.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2014 07:32

Paki are worried about India's economic welfare

India damaging its economy by provocative firing: PML-Q (PML= Paki Maa...)

QUETTA – Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q) central leader and former provincial minister Mareez Ruqayia Saeed Hashmi has said that Indian government is damaging its own economy by provocative and unjustified firing at Pakistani territory. In a statement issued here on Tuesday, she strongly condemned Indian firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas which caused heavy loss of life and property. She said that presently, by-elections were being held in several states of India and the incumbent Indian government has started firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win these by-polls.“The Bhartia Janta Party-led government has been exploiting emotions and feelings of voters by firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win by-polls in different states,” she said. She further said that the Indian prime minister should have kept in mind that economic stability of his country linked with peace and stability in the region adding that his government was damaging the economy of their own country by firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas.The central leader urged the United Nations and international community to play their due role to put a halt to Indian aggression which was damaging peace efforts to get peace and stability in the region. She also appreciated the role of Pakistan Army as saying it defeated the enemy at borders and foiled its nefarious designs

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 22 Oct 2014 07:36

partha wrote:What exactly is Praveen Swami trying to say? He says we are shooting ourselves in the foot implying retaliating to Pak attack along LoC and IB is not a good strategy and then goes on to say this -
How to resolve this conundrum isn’t obvious — which is precisely why so many governments have struggled, unsuccessfully, with the same problem. Modi may well succeed where others didn’t, but it won’t be with showy, made-for-television fireworks on the Line of Control.
If he thinks there is no obvious solution and that Modi may well succeed then why argue that we are shooting ourselves in the foot? Seems like he just wanted to "be different" and make an opinion contrary to the popular perception that current strategy is good.

Public humiliation of pacquis is absolutely necessary. Local population across LoC should see PA for who they are, downhill skiers.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 22 Oct 2014 08:06

The jihadi Ejaz Haider has written that Pakistan might obstruct Modis vision for economic progress if Pakistan is provoked. (Read it as Jihadis will strap soosai bum)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2014 08:12

Anujan wrote:The jihadi Ejaz Haider has written that Pakistan might obstruct Modis vision for economic progress if Pakistan is provoked. (Read it as Jihadis will strap soosai bum)

Yea, but Modi will carve slice of Paki territory for each incident along with taking out Paki Navy's surface fleet.Then Agostas one by one and onward to mining Paki harbors outsourced to Iranians.
Paki Bhai Must know, Modi in Aaar Paar and Phaar Paki Salwar mood.

partha · Post by **partha** » 22 Oct 2014 08:23

Anujan wrote:The jihadi Ejaz Haider has written that Pakistan might obstruct Modis vision for economic progress if Pakistan is provoked. (Read it as Jihadis will strap soosai bum)

This is the biggest worry RAPEs have - India racing ahead with high growth under Modi widening the already wide gap between India and Pakistan.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 22 Oct 2014 08:35

shiv wrote:
Amber G. wrote:30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts
Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

"Ours is not to reason why, theirs' is but to do and die."

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 22 Oct 2014 08:41

Anujan wrote:The jihadi Ejaz Haider has written that Pakistan might obstruct Modis vision for economic progress if Pakistan is provoked. (Read it as Jihadis will strap soosai bum)

Where has he published this?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 22 Oct 2014 08:42

All within the last few hours ..Pak can do better than anyone else ..(No I am not making it up.. these are all the actual headlines...

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-First ever Denmark trade team to explore business opportunities in ...
Daily Times-6 hours ago
ISLAMABAD: A Denmark trade delegation reached Islamabad on a week- long visit to explore business opportunities and partners in Pakistan...

Pakistan, Russia to enhance cooperation
DAWN.com-1 hour ago
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Russia agreed on Tuesday to take concrete steps for injecting substance in the bilateral relationship. “The Russian ...

Pakistan, Afghanistan set to open new chapter of tension-free ties
Daily Times-13 minutes agoShare
ISLAMABAD: After years of mistrust and tension-filled relations, there are now indications that Afghanistan's new President Ashraf Ghani and ...

Pakistan Railways: China to inject $3.5b into infrastructure ...
The Express Tribune-6 minutes agoShare
A 23-member delegation of Chinese technical experts, led by Meng Wenli, Chief Engineer Alignment, will come on a trip to Pakistan at the ..

Japan values ties with Pakistan
The Nation-1 hour agoShare
LAHORE - Japan highly values its ties with Pakistan and despite many odds no hiccup has come about in the way of friendly bonds between ....

Cross-border firing from Afghanistan kills one
At least one civilian was killed in Pakistan's Bajaur Agency on Tuesday by cross-border firing from Afghanistan (Dawn). Pakistani officials confirmed that the firing hit the house of a tribesman named Sheene, killing one person and injuring two others. Militants were reportedly responsible for the firing. Bonus Read: "The Afghan Roots of Pakistan's Zarb-e-Azb Operation," Umar Farooq (South Asia)

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 22 Oct 2014 08:45

member_28797 · Post by **member_28797** » 22 Oct 2014 08:46

Japan values ties with Pakistan
The Nation-1 hour agoShare
LAHORE - Japan highly values its ties with Pakistan and despite many odds no hiccup has come about in the way of friendly bonds between ....

Never knew Japanese were interested in hiring talibani terrorists and shooters.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Oct 2014 09:08

narendranaik wrote:
Japan values ties with Pakistan
The Nation-1 hour agoShare
LAHORE - Japan highly values its ties with Pakistan and despite many odds no hiccup has come about in the way of friendly bonds between ....
Never knew Japanese were interested in hiring talibani terrorists and shooters.

Historically, the japs have supported the pakis much more than they have supported us.

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 22 Oct 2014 09:38

Jhujar wrote:Paki are worried about India's economic welfare

India damaging its economy by provocative firing: PML-Q (PML= Paki Maa...)
QUETTA – Pakistan Muslim League-Q (PML-Q) central leader and former provincial minister Mareez Ruqayia Saeed Hashmi has said that Indian government is damaging its own economy by provocative and unjustified firing at Pakistani territory. In a statement issued here on Tuesday, she strongly condemned Indian firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas which caused heavy loss of life and property. She said that presently, by-elections were being held in several states of India and the incumbent Indian government has started firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win these by-polls.“The Bhartia Janta Party-led government has been exploiting emotions and feelings of voters by firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas to win by-polls in different states,” she said. She further said that the Indian prime minister should have kept in mind that economic stability of his country linked with peace and stability in the region adding that his government was damaging the economy of their own country by firing and mortar shelling at Pakistani border areas.The central leader urged the United Nations and international community to play their due role to put a halt to Indian aggression which was damaging peace efforts to get peace and stability in the region. She also appreciated the role of Pakistan Army as saying it defeated the enemy at borders and foiled its nefarious designs

They are threatening terror-strikes on Bhaarath.

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SSridhar wrote:India Has 'Sword' Along With 'Shield', Jaitley Warns Pakistan - New Indian Express

Is this a code for saying that Bhaarath has missiles and missile defence while bakis only have missiles?

Link to relevant post

Here is the area that a 600 KM range covers in Baki and Cheenis.

Neither Bakis nor Cheenis have missile defence according to wiki. This map explains why the Cheens have a problem with Arunachal and Nagaland. Because these areas give Bhaarath an access to mainlands of Cheen with a range of 600 KM. BTW, if Bhaarath acquired missiles in 1974(Smiling Buddha), then it explains the confidence of Bhaarath in annexing Sikkim in 1975. Bhutan and Nepal may also have been in the line if Maimoona Priyadarshini continued in power. But then, she would have also done away with democrazy if she had her way.

Arunachal, Sikkim, Nagaland, and Aksai Chin give great range inside Tibet and main-land Cheen to Bhaarath.

Until 1999(i.e. Kargil), Bhaarath also did not have a missile defence program. Here is the area that a 600 KM range can cover within Bhaarath from Bak and Cheen:

This also explains why the Bakis keep testing their missiles to threaten Bhaarath. But, these days, that threat is not as potent because of the missile defence program.

Allowing Tibet to be annexed by the Cheens was a criminal neglect and allowing Aksai Chin to be occupied by the Cheens is simply unacceptable. Further, the Kongis neglected Nepal and Bhutan also. No wonder Cheens act all uppity all over the border. If Bhaarath had deepened its relations with Nepal & Bhutan, & strengthened the infra in North-east, then Cheen can be put into its place.

Cheen is bloated way beyond its actual size. It seems to me that the original size of cheen was:

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Oct 2014 10:35

Pakistan will not accept Indian hegemony: Aziz : Daily Times

Christine Fair from the Chapter “India under the Pakistan Army’s Gaze” in her book “Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War” :

Several dominant themes and narrative tropes consistently recur across the decades of defense literature examined during the course of this research, some of which have been hinted at in previous chapters. The first is the persistent claim that India does not accept either Pakistan or the two-nation theory on which Pakistan was founded. Second, and related to the first, is India’s supposed aspirations to regional hegemony and the belief that Pakistan alone stands between India and this goal. This not a new phenomenon: Pakistani defense writers began articulating the idea of an Indian hegemon in the early 1960s, if not earlier. But recent events, such as the US—Indian civilian nuclear deal and other forms of defense and technical cooperation, provide an ex post facto legitimization of this argument. An important and related theme is the assertion that India began every war between India and Pakistan. As I argued in Chapter 4, this claim is important both to sustaining the narrative of Pakistani victimization by Indian aggression and justifying Pakistan’s wars with India as defensive jihad. A fourth, and at first blush somewhat perplexing, theme is that India is not the power that it or others increasingly see it to be. Sometimes India’s strength is downplayed because it is Hindu; at other times India is denigrated because its causes are not just. Finally, India is posited as the root of Pakistan’s domestic insecurity. This allows Pakistan’s military to retain a conventional, India-focused orientation even while it grapples with an array of internal security challenges that would ordinarily be the responsibility of police or other law enforcement organizations.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 22 Oct 2014 10:37

Baki biraders and Paklurks: Happy Diwali!
Hope you enjoyed the fireworks display by the BSF on your side of the 'working boundary' that was part of the early celebrations.

arun · Post by **arun** » 22 Oct 2014 10:45

shiv wrote:
Amber G. wrote:30 militants killed as Pak jets bomb hideouts
Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/

The Occupation Army mentality of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan yet again on full display. Not for them the tactics of the Indian Army in combatting Mohammadden Insurgency in Jammu & Kashmir which eschews use of disproportionate force such as aerial bombing against misguided citizens. For the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the tactics of choice are those of Occupation Armies like the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.