Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014

[Prem]

Wow, Anmol.. good find. Zia-ul-Haq just about prostrated to Reagan over the phone, if at all such a thing could be done. ("We admire you Mr. President, and we salute you, etc."). Pakis do know how to pander to the bloated ego of Khan politicians. Look at Zia's nervousness in talking to Reagan - after Reagan addresses him as Mr. President he starts with I am Mr. So and So (clearly prepped introduction)!

One has to understand these paki are born slaves and survive on patronage only. They claim to have the same last name as many Indians have but the real fun is to watch if these "Namesakes" happen to meet somewhere in foreign country. Paki Rana, Bajwa, Cheema ,Sandhu, Sehgal etc all have no shine, no pride on their face or in their eyes. Orya Maqbool Jan got it right when one Indian Rana told Paki Rana to stop considering himself as Rajput as pride of being Rajput is not for convert . Exact words were " tuu Kiddar Ka Rana jo Muslim Baan Gya"?

[Anujan]

Smita Prakash makes an interesting observation vis-à-vis robin motorma. Fai apparently was released last November (despite a lengthy sentence) and people connected to him are being arrested one by one. Is he the one singing?

One more tidbit about Robin motorma. In an off the record interview to Indian journalists, she asked given the issues in JK and Punjab, is territorial integrity of India sustainable and sacrosanct.

[sadhana]

Smita Prakash makes an interesting observation vis-à-vis robin motorma. Fai apparently was released last November (despite a lengthy sentence) and people connected to him are being arrested one by one. Is he the one singing?

One more tidbit about Robin motorma. In an off the record interview to Indian journalists, she asked given the issues in JK and Punjab, is territorial integrity of India sustainable and sacrosanct.

That is a fair guess about Fai and plea bargains. But the thing is RR was following official US policy at the time, or at least had the job of shaping such US policy.

Also she seems too much of a strict severe aunty type of person to do something corrupt. So one really wonders. To add to the guessing- it could be that Fai's confessions showed that without knowledge of her superiors, her CIA cover was blown during the time(presuming she had been CIA).

[Prem]

Leave your Dharma or leave your country'

We are not Muslim, we are not Hindu, but first and foremost, we are Sindhi. There is a conspiracy to force Sindhi Hindus to leave Sindh, but we will not allow nefarious elements to succeed,” a political activist was sloganeering in English outside the Hyderabad Press Club.Like most nationalists, he was hoping his message would be heard not only everywhere in Pakistan but also all across the world.But the sad reality is, all these protests are of no use; the messages all fruitless. Despite their community's strong resistance, the situation is very much the same as it was yesterday. Hindu girls were converted in the past, are being converted today, and I’m sure, will be converted down to the very last Hindu remaining on the soil of Sindh.It is true that whenever a Hindu girl in Sindh is kidnapped or converted, a large number of Sindhi Hindus – in the face of fear and hopelessness – are forced to migrate to India.
Also read: Footprints: Hindus in no man's land

After the alleged kidnapping of Anjali Bai Meghwar from Daharki, Kajul Bheel from Matiari district and Karin from Nawabshah (most people not aware of these names), many people including my dear friend Ajeet Kumar are forced to consider the idea of migration.“As a last resort we have decided to migrate to India," Ajeet told me a few days ago."We are completely insecure here. We are looted but our voice is not heard by the people in the saddle, our temples are attacked in broad daylight but no one takes action, our girls are kidnapped and forcibly converted only to hear more empty promises of justice."Nothing happened in the last 65 years and we don’t expect any improvement in future. Things will only become wore.”All the political parties have condemned and protested the forced conversion of 12 year-old Anjali and subsequent marriage to a young man. But while Bilawal Bhutto, the ruling party’s chairman, has taken cognizance of it, most PPP leaders have kept mum as they know there is no way to turn the situation around. Intolerance of faith differentials has gone so far in this country that not only Hindus but Christians, Ahmadis and Shias are equally targeted every now and then.The situation is chilling.
In a place where Khursheed Shah was recently charged with religious contempt just because of his usage of the word “Muhajir”; where naming a road after Bhagat Singh, a true Pakistani, can cause so much trouble; where murderers, like Mumtaz Qadri, are welcomed with roses; people being forced to leave their faith and embrace the dominating one does not look odd at all.“In the coming few months we will leave our motherland," said Ajeet. "See, they have brought conditions to this point; they want us to give up the faith or leave the country."What can one do in these circumstances? Every new incident of forced conversion increases the feeling of trepidation and insecurity, and the desperateness to flee this land. Even well-heeled families are migrating as they think there is no other option left.Ramesh Kumar Vankwani, member of PML-N told National Assembly that over 5,000 Hindus are migrating from Sindh to India every year.
Hindus constitute five per cent of Sindh's population. Vankwani's figure suggests that 22.22 per cent of the total Hindu community of the province migrate to India every year.How many years before Sindhi Hindus are completely expelled?Everyone knows that the Sindh government passed a law last year which criminalised underage marriages.But has the government taken any action against those who have converted Anjali? Or even just against those who forced an underage Anjali to marry someone?Anjali Meghwar’s father Kundan Lal has presented her NADRA and school documents in the court before the authorities. These documents certify her age as 12.But much like the inertia of previous PPP governments, I think this incident will lead to zero action as well. I mean, PPP has not even managed to oust people like Mian Mithu (allegedly involved in Rinkle Kumari and Anjali Meghwar's cases) from its ranks.Everyone and everything from the police, the courts and the elected assembly members can be controlled with astonishing ease, as it happened in the case of Rinkle Kumari – a girl from the same district converted by the same people last year. A video was released showing assailants brandishing weapons inside the court. Back then, MPAs and MNAs from the district did not utter a single word in support of the victims. Nor have they done so now.So when people like Ajeet give up all hopes of improvement, they are very much in the right; because when a state cannot even pass the Hindu Marriage Act, how can it protect them and their assets? How can it prevent their girls from being forcibly converted? It can’t. This is the sorriest state for a state.
"It is indeed difficult to leave Sindh. It is our homeland, it has borne us. But we also can’t stop subscribing to our faith. So leaving is the only option left."Good bye, Ajeet.

[vishvak]

Abduction and loot of Sindhis is also a very strong reason why Hindus should reason the Indian government to attack and destroy the Islamic paki state. We can't keep on waiting and waiting till the Islamic jihadis - ie army and irregular of all kind of mobs - find enough power to attack us the next time.

[RajeshA]

It is not nautanki. Lamentation and grief for the unjust killing of their religious leaders is central to Shia faith. If there is one word which captures their sect, it is grief.

Anujan ji,

I am aware of that, but I have a little difficulty with emotion at the touch of a button. Just imagine this happens multiple times a day for the whole of your life. I can't imagine anybody can have that much emotion of a particular kind to let flow free on demand.

Even in North Korea, people are not asked to smile at the Great/Dear Leader from ear to ear this often.

I can't think of a greater emotional atyachaar where a people is forced to produce an emotion every time the Imam gives a hint with a loud sob.

Otherwise I was pretty impressed at the oratory skills of the Imam.

[Gagan]

The people gather there for religious catharsis. That's exactly what their speakers give them !
All tears, trembling voice, religion, tragedy - the whole package.

[Prem]

Paki shitting/paking in Pakistan . Doval is Dajjal who will make paki go Khajjal.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29pv ... minal_news

[Nandu]

^^If there is a Fai connection, credit should go to moi for predicting it here first.

[partha]

One more tidbit about Robin motorma. In an off the record interview to Indian journalists, she asked given the issues in JK and Punjab, is territorial integrity of India sustainable and sacrosanct.

whoa! really?

[sadhana]

via twitter

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29pvl ... minal_news

Apologies if it has been posted before. It is an ISI video casting Mr. Ajit Doval as the biggest threat facing the world.

[vivek.rao]

^^ MAD (Modi-Amit-Doval) is driving ISI pretty Mad

[RCase]

^^^
Based on the video, it seems like pretty soon Bakistanis will be bowing towards New Delhi, invoking Doval five times a day!

[Gagan]

Looks like a production of the wild suar motion picture company lead by Haz-rat Jahil Ham-ied (PBUH)

Silly.
Even the Kidnapping of foreigners that was done by hizbul mujheedin and omar saeed sheikh is blamed on Ajit Doval.

Maybe Doval negotiated with the hijackers, while the police commandos got into position to kick the kidnappers musharrafs.
So ISI probably knows about him from the numerous hijacking negotiations that he's been involved in.

One thing is clear, the establishment in Pakistan is going through a browning of the pants ceremony these days. One Ajit Doval has terrorized these haramzadas to no end! They clearly recognize that the terrorism leverage they've used, can't be used unless they are willing to pay an extremely heavy price for it. Terrorism is the only tool Pakistan has to negotiate with a lot of countries, their position is pretty untenable, if they can't use it

[A_Gupta]

Manto as deradicalizer?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/opinion/11 ... comes-from

[Prem]

^^^Based on the video, it seems like pretty soon Bakistanis will be bowing towards New Delhi, invoking Doval five times a day!

Ik Thaa Raj Kumar, Abb Ayya Hai Ajit Kumar!!
Dawood Bhai should start looking for expert tailor and order stitched coffin now. Doval is coming , Kal LOC per Firing Itni Chalegi ki Laashe Tho Bahut parri Hoggi par laashe uthane wale Kum Par jayenge!!

[A_Gupta]

The Dawn Editorial staff see the politics in the IMF loan to Pakistan:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1143568/imf-review

Those waiting for answers were disappointed with the just-released statement which decided to stick to the usual comfortable language rather than live up to the obligation to keep the key stakeholder in the whole process informed.

That key stakeholder is the citizenry of this country, and it will ultimately bear the cost of living up to the terms of this loan. All we know is that “[d]espite some difficulties” the programme “remains broadly on track”. This is as generic an endorsement as one can get. Heads are also being scratched over the analysis of the economy contained in the statement.

“Economic indicators are improving,” it says mysteriously, at a time when almost everybody is convinced that the government’s growth story has hit choppy waters. On the whole, the statement does little to temper the view that the Fund is operating along political lines.

An interruption in the disbursements is not possible while the US troop withdrawal is under way in Afghanistan, and tumult in the domestic political scene brings anxieties of its own. Given these complexities, a generic statement following a delayed review is simply not good enough.

[wig]

Atrocities: Pak Hindus seek Sharif’s support

A Hindu representative body in Pakistan has sought Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s support to form an interfaith committee to end rising atrocities against religious minorities in the country. The move comes days after a Christian couple was burnt to death.

The Pakistan Hindu Council (PHC) has proposed setting up an active interfaith committee at the federal level under Sharif to prevent violent incidents against minorities and promote interfaith harmony.

Dawn reported that the executive committee of the PHC met yesterday in Karachi to review mounting atrocities against religious minorities across the country.

It condemned the Christian couple’s killing in Lahore for alleged blasphemy, which created fear and increased sense of insecurity among members of the minorities.

The meeting, presided over by PHC president Chela Ram Kewlani, condemned the kidnapping of Hindu minor girls.

Highlighting the need for interfaith harmony and legislation for a Hindu marriage law, the PHC called upon the PM and provincial Chief Ministers to ensure effective implementation of laws to protect rights of the minorities.

The meeting proposed that state minister for religious affairs Amin-ul-Hasnat Shah, prominent minority figures and at least one member from each religious party, including the Jamaat-i-Islami, be part of the interfaith committee

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141111/world.htm#6

[JE Menon]

The video is crude and ridiculous, but we should perhaps take it a little more seriously. Clearly it has been done with some state imprint and approval. The exact script he is reading out during the video was in an article linked here already earlier. This might be interpreted by some as the Pakistani military's hamfisted way of trying to be subtle in terms of signalling that some serious violence is about to be unleashed on India or against specific human targets in India.

[SSridhar]

School body observes ‘anti-Malala’ day - AFP

n association of Pakistani schools held an “I am not Malala” day on Monday, condemning young Nobel peace laureate Malala Yousafzai for what it called her support for controversial novelist Salman Rushdie.

The 17-year-old has been hailed around the world for standing up for girls’ rights to education, but the response to her in Pakistan has not been universally positive, with some seeing her as a “Western agent” on a mission to shame her country.

The All Pakistan Private Schools Federation last year barred its members from buying Malala’s memoir I am Malala because of what the group said was its “anti-Pakistan and anti-Islam content.”

It said the book, written with British journalist Christina Lamb, was too sympathetic to British novelist Rushdie.

Mirza Kashif Ali, the president of the schools’ federation, said in a statement it was “clear that Malala has nexus with Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin, and also has alignment with Salman Rushdie’s ideological club”.

He said walks, seminars and press conferences were held to highlight the “I am not Malala” day.

[Roperia]

If this is what the self-proclaimed best institution of Pakistan can come up with, no wonder Pakis watch bollywood.

The only important thing is at the end of that 7 minute long verbal diarrhea hinting an impending "False flag" attack.

where "false flag" = Pakis are going to do something and as always claim that we didn't do it.

[KLNMurthy]

It is not nautanki. Lamentation and grief for the unjust killing of their religious leaders is central to Shia faith. If there is one word which captures their sect, it is grief.

Anujan ji,

I am aware of that, but I have a little difficulty with emotion at the touch of a button. Just imagine this happens multiple times a day for the whole of your life. I can't imagine anybody can have that much emotion of a particular kind to let flow free on demand.

Even in North Korea, people are not asked to smile at the Great/Dear Leader from ear to ear this often.

I can't think of a greater emotional atyachaar where a people is forced to produce an emotion every time the Imam gives a hint with a loud sob.

Otherwise I was pretty impressed at the oratory skills of the Imam.

Maybe tears of grief or rage come more easily to people who have a deeply-ingrained sense of victimhood along with a narcissistic personality.

[habal]

shias believe in ahl-ul bayt and saga of their tragedies and their sacrifices before establishing islam.

It is a form of elitism and a kind of chutzpah with a view to one-upmanship.

sunnis resent this and honor neutrals who stood slightly apart & neutral from the prophet's family bandwagon like hamza, umar, abu bakr & khalid ibn al-walid.

all the crying and grieving is supposed to show how they grieve for prophet's family (ali & hussain) and how their way is superior.

[SSridhar]

via twitter

Apologies if it has been posted before. It is an ISI video casting Mr. Ajit Doval as the biggest threat facing the world.

Yes, this is clearly an ISI video. An amateurish attempt, though. Lt. Gen. Rizwan Akhtar is absolutely no good.

It says a new terrorist is rising but neither in Afghanistan nor in Iraq (omitting Pakistan in the process is a clear giveaway). It talks about the Daesh-TTP nexus being forged by AKD. Now, we know PA's fears about the naturally developing nexus between IS and the 'bad Taliban'. The Chotta Rajan reference is a giveaway of the D-ISI nexus. Apparently, Dawood Ibrahim is under considerable pressure for the last few months and is being constantly shifted to various safehouses. The pressure is on Dawood and the ISI and no wonder this video surfaces to villify AKD. For a good measure, it tries to rope in China using the Tibet and Xinjiang cards. It refers to our PM as 'Narinder' giving away once again who created this 'false flag' video.

[JE Menon]

SS,

Lt. Gen. Akhtar Abdur Rehman???

Am I missing something?

[Shreeman]

So, its come to this. A coal container! Is nothing sacrosanct anymore?

[shiv]

The video is crude and ridiculous, but we should perhaps take it a little more seriously. Clearly it has been done with some state imprint and approval. The exact script he is reading out during the video was in an article linked here already earlier. This might be interpreted by some as the Pakistani military's hamfisted way of trying to be subtle in terms of signalling that some serious violence is about to be unleashed on India or against specific human targets in India.

That Pakjabi accent and American idiom is not meant for an Indian audience other than us English speakers.

I think the ISI is way too sophisticated to think that anyone who matters in India will feel any threat from this laughable attempt at a video. This is some individual moron who has done it IMO.

The ISI is not known for issuing warnings like this. If they can do, they will. if they can't they shut up.

[shiv]

Maybe tears of grief or rage come more easily to people who have a deeply-ingrained sense of victimhood along with a narcissistic personality.

Naipaul noted in his book "Beyond Belief" that hoardings in Iran with pictures of women of children always have a teardrop flowing down the cheek.

I think the Iranians have done an Islam on Sunnis. Their own pre-Islamic culture was destroyed by Sunni Islam and they set up a conflict very early on and became Shia rather than Sunni. That killling of Ali is a big thing - a big grievance calling for anger and tears. Muharram (which happened about 10 days ago) is (as you probably know) a festival where Shias whip themselves and shed tears. This tear shedding business is part of the culture.

[SSridhar]

SS,

Lt. Gen. Akhtar Abdur Rehman???

Am I missing something?

No, JEM. My mistake. It is Lt. Gen. Rizwan Akhtar. Thanks for correcting. I am thinking about the Zia redux these days and hence Akhtar Abdur Rehman.

[RajeshA]

Maybe tears of grief or rage come more easily to people who have a deeply-ingrained sense of victimhood along with a narcissistic personality.

Naipaul noted in his book "Beyond Belief" that hoardings in Iran with pictures of women of children always have a teardrop flowing down the cheek.

I think the Iranians have done an Islam on Sunnis. Their own pre-Islamic culture was destroyed by Sunni Islam and they set up a conflict very early on and became Shia rather than Sunni. That killling of Ali is a big thing - a big grievance calling for anger and tears. Muharram (which happened about 10 days ago) is (as you probably know) a festival where Shias whip themselves and shed tears. This tear shedding business is part of the culture.

Shi'a is however more at home in Arab-speaking Iraq, where the history of Shi'ism played out, where the holy places of Shi'a are like Najaf and Karbala. However the Shi'ite victimhood could have indeed made Shi'ism attractive to Iranians.

[JE Menon]

Yes, SS I was wondering... I thought that twat had croaked some years ago. When I saw you mentioning his name, I thought maybe I was wrong...

[JE Menon]

>>Muharram (which happened about 10 days ago) is (as you probably know) a festival where Shias whip themselves and shed tears. This tear shedding business is part of the culture.

Absolutely. For those who missed it, Shaikh Ammar Nakshawani was in Mombasa (Kenya) to give those lectures around late October, i.e. about 2 weeks ago, to mark Muharram. That's why there is a combination of Africans and Indians in the audience.

[vina]

I think the Iranians have done an Islam on Sunnis. Their own pre-Islamic culture was destroyed by Sunni Islam and they set up a conflict very early on and became Shia rather than Sunni. That killling of Ali is a big thing - a big grievance calling for anger and tears. Muharram (which happened about 10 days ago) is (as you probably know) a festival where Shias whip themselves and shed tears. This tear shedding business is part of the culture.

Iranians are double converts under the sword. First they were converted on the pain of death by the Arabs to Sunni Islam. Then the Safavids who were rivals to the Turks and Uzbeks, to carve a distinct Iranian identity, imposed Shia islam on them again on the pain of death.

It is a classic game played out by the middle eastern proselytising faiths Islam and Christianity in multiple contexts in multiple regions. It was all about political power and cementing power. The dumb Aam Abduls are just cannon fodder.

Christianity was imposed at the point of the sword in the Roman empire. It spread to Europe only under Roman imperialism. The Germanic lands were converted from their ancestral faith by Charlemagne by the sword. Christianity was imposed in Scandinavia by the sword. Trouble is, with enlightenment and economic freedom, the Aam Andreas/Boris/Gunther doesn't give a f*ck about Christianity in Europe and sees it as a massive hoax and hypocrisy and means of command and control by a vested clergy. Heck, enlightenment started in Europe in the Protestant Revolt against the church.

What Islam cries out for is modernisation , a Protestant Reformation and revolt. That would have happened eventually if the oil based economy had not come about and the Islamic world got a free ride. But it only buys time, when the world moves past oil economy as it eventually will and must, the Islamic world will be in a crisis (a massive youth bulge and broke, that was the same conditions that led to Arab expansionism from the Maghreb to Indonesia and the spread of islam in the first place), but this time, with no outlet possible via conquest /loot, the energy has to turn inwards.

Wait it out, work towards an oil free future and the world will be a better place. Man might not live on bread alone as the Bible says, but he most definitely cannot live on religion alone either!

[Gagan]

This video is most prolly zaid hamid's idiocy at display here.
Do note that the bugger gets paid off by the ISI for his shenanigans.
The idiots the pakistanis are, they think that by saying beforehand that there will be a false flag terror strike, will give them 'plausible deniability' because they said so?

The Pakistanis really are uneducated, uncouth louts. They loooove to use big huge english terms like, 'geostrategic', 'plausible deniability', but all they manage to do is some ham handed attempts at covering their tracks. Mostly they do these poorly planned, poorly executed terrorist acts, which end with some poor abdul meeting his 72, and killing and maiming a lot of people.

I can't imagine, what the situation must be, where a national intelligence agency has nothing else to do but to plan terrorist strikes at its neighbours.

[SSridhar]

Why India is getting Wagah all wrong - Sushant Sareen, IDSA

The suicide bombing that killed over 60 Pakistanis just outside the Wagah border parade area seems to have affected the usual suspects in India far more than it has the people across. So overcome were they by their emotions that they immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was going to be a game-changer and that the time had come for India and Pakistan to cooperate and collaborate to root out terrorism. Worse, fears were expressed that the terrorism sweeping through Pakistan had now reached the Indian border and was going to soon cross over. Asides of not specifying who India could collaborate with other than the fringe liberal section of Pakistani society that doesn’t call the shots and matters little in the larger scheme of things, the fact that terrorism emanating from Pakistan has already entered, or more accurately been exported, into India decades ago was blithely ignored.

Clearly, the Wagah incident on November 2 is not going to make the Pakistani society and its ‘deep state’ wake up to the existential threat posed by jihadist terror groups. There is neither going to be any change in Pakistan’s attitude towards using terrorism as an instrument of state policy, nor its inimical attitude towards India. Simply put, Pakistanis have been brain-washed to a point where their hatred for India in general and Hindus in particular far outweighs any fear or horror they may feel over the acts of terrorism by the jihadists. To expect cooperation on terrorism from a country where an internationally designated terrorist organisation like the Jamaatud Dawa/Lashkar-e-Taiba is considered to be a philanthropic outfit is nothing short of delusional.

A sample of the mindset that prevails in Pakistan, not just towards India but also terrorism, was on display the day after the bomb blast. Apparently the Pakistan Rangers had requested the BSF to suspend the flag lowering ceremony for three days following the suicide attack. The BSF graciously acquiesced to this request. But the very next day the Pakistanis decided to go ahead with the ceremony. Actually, it is quite normal for military and paramilitary units to get rid of the ghosts of either an accident or an untoward incident by repeating the drill at the very next available opportunity. But what the Pakistanis did was sneaky and dishonourable because they informed the BSF of this at the last minute but by then most of the Indian crowd had been turned back. The Pakistanis, however, stacked the stands with serving and retired services personnel. This then was used by the Lahore Corps Commander, presumably one of the prospective collaborators against terrorism, to raise the morale of his own side. This he did by indulging in some low brow point scoring. He thumped his chest by saying that it seemed as though the Indian audience had “sniffed a snake” while the Pakistanis showed their devil-may-care attitude and their resilience to bounce back after a serious terrorist attack. Such low cunning is an outcome of an institutional, and even national, attitude that breeds pathological hatred towards India. This should shame the apologists for Pakistan in India of their woolly-headed notions about normalising ties.

What is it about the Wagah blast anyway that makes some Indians think that it will make Pakistan more amenable to anti-terror cooperation with India? It is certainly not the worst terror attack on Pakistani soil. Worse attacks have happened without making an iota of difference to Pakistan’s approach to Jihadism. There was no high profile casualty in the Wagah attack. Most of the people who died were anyways expendable in the larger strategic calculus of the Pakistani ‘deep state’. The way the Pakistani establishment sees it, the cost of terrorism is much below what the Pakistani ‘deep state’ thinks it will have to pay in terms of its irredentist claims, corporate interests and religion based nationalism in order to normalise relations with India.

The choice of Wagah was only tangentially related to India, in the sense that any incident there would create an instant international splash and give the terrorists the publicity. Even if instead of 60 people only a couple had lost their lives, the incident would have created the same publicity impact.

By carrying out the attack the terrorists sent a loud message that their network and ability to strike remains very much intact despite the government claims that the military operations in North Waziristan had disrupted their command and control centres. That three different groups claimed responsibility seems odd at first sight but chances are that all might have had a role to play – one would have planned it and supplied funds, explosives and suicide jackets, another would have listed the suicide bomber and the third could have provided the local logistics. The fact that all groups claimed responsibility could be the result of a sort of competition to emerge as the top dog in the terrorist fraternity. There is an open tussle for leadership and going by the stupendous success of the Islamic State, the group that can demonstrate that it is the most effective will get the maximum recruits, funds and even the leadership mantle. For this they must carry out spectacular attacks, which is what Wagah was. To bring India into this dynamic is akin to missing the woods for the trees.

Cooperation and collaboration between India and Pakistan on terrorism is a fairy tale. First, there is a fundamental difference in the terrorism that affects India and the one which is hitting Pakistan. The former is state-sponsored and state-sanctioned by Pakistan; the latter is a blowback of the decades old policy of the Pakistani state. Second, terrorism is flowing into India through a one way street, i.e., from Pakistan and not the other way round. Therefore, while the Pakistanis can give important information to India about any attack that is being planned on its soil, there isn’t any information or intelligence that India can offer in return. The most India can do is something it has done for over a decade now, which is to not create trouble for Pakistan on its eastern front. Pakistan, however, has continuously disregarded this and has continued to provoke India either by pushing in infiltrators or by violating the ceasefire. This it has done, both to reaffirm its irredentist claims over the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir and to keep the pot of terrorism in Kashmir simmering. India’s response is only to Pakistani provocations.

Third, as long as Pakistan keeps playing with terrorists – striking deals with some in order to hit others, or sponsoring some like the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi in Balochistan as a counter to the Baloch insurgency, or even to protect the ‘good’ Taliban like the Haqqani network for use in Afghanistan – it will continue to see the terror machine grow stronger and stronger. Finally, Pakistan's anti-terror operations like Zarb-e-Azb is not about eradicating terrorism but regaining control over it so that it can be used in pursuit of foreign and security policy objectives.

All this means that as long as Pakistan doesn’t transform its strategic paradigm of hostility towards India, something that it shows absolutely no sign of doing, the prospect of any anti-terror cooperation between India and Pakistan is practically non-existent.

[Gagan]

Hmm, the wagah suicide blast was done in a side alley where the traders, porters gather for cross border trade.
It was not done at the main gallery where mango pakis and VIPs gather to see the wagah border ceremony.
The LET-ISI-Jihadis must have been told at the planning stage to not go anywhere near the VIP stands, lest some army officer family or other VIP gets injured.
Probably the handler must have seen off the suicide bomber till the last few meters to ensure that he did not go towards the VIP stands.

[Gagan]

ISI, LET have been miffed about Nawaz sharif's attempts at increasing cross border trade with India.
The wagah suicide bombing was another signal aimed at Nawaz also.

[shiv]

Why India is getting Wagah all wrong - Sushant Sareen, IDSA

Perfectly clear thinking that some Indians cannot understand even if you put a hole in their heads and pour in the knowledge. Of course some media may be paid by Pakistan via third party channels - many are presstitutes.

[A_Gupta]

^^^ The Protestant reformation movement (1517 into the 17th century) led to disorders similar to today in the Islamic world, such as sectarian wars.

The Enlightenment got under way in the 17th century, and high points were the American and French Revolutions.

While there is no institution like the Church in Islam, one could take Protestantism in Islam to be the attempt to "purify" the religion, to drop all accretions that it has over the ages, including cultural/religious practices like veneration of saints or graves, music, art, etc.,; e.g., the attempt to make "Hindu Muslims" from "half-Muslim" to "full-Muslim"; increased Arabization; etc. etc.

The Enlightenment, if there is any such thing in Islam, might be e.g., the new Constitution in Tunisia.

[Gagan]

The Enlightenment, if there is any such thing in Islam, might be e.g., the new Constitution in Tunisia.

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