Defence Expo 2004

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 08:54

Originally posted by rupak:
Originally posted by Manne:
[b]
Sorry but what is the significance of the breakup ?
Developmental Prototypes + Pre-production + LSP[/b]
Ru,

Arjun news- any? :D

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Sunil » 11 Feb 2004 08:56

Ah.. and here I was humming that song from the movie Is Raat Ki Subah Nahi.

" Chup tum raho, Chup Hum Rahe.."

Lekin now that someone has said it... chalo might as well resort to our favorite line for these occasions..

" Oh May Gaaaawwwwdd....!!!"

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 09:06

:rotfl:

Anyway, check mail.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Abhisham » 11 Feb 2004 09:06

That buggy(LSV Light Strike Vehicle) is from singapore techonlogies kinetics. Singapore armed forces as well as the civil defence forces also operate a similar vehicle. Armed with the HMG i think the CIS .50 and with a LMG STK ultimax 100 with the pillion rider next to the driver.

By the way i thought 12 guns/battery and 3 batteries form a Regiment so a total of 36 launchers. That complies with the 1 regiment of smerch we have on order or negotiating.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 09:15

Its glamorous. Very important. Think of the next series of IA ads showing paras in these buggies zipping across the Thar. Response will be superb.

I remember these old really bad Delta force movies...the one cool thing in those movies was the presence of these cool buggies. One even had a laser gun. :confused: :rotfl:

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Rudra » 11 Feb 2004 09:19

chuck norris saar and the original delta force movie was great s*** for us gun happy teens in 80s, esp the buggies and that x-country bike armed with two rear firing rockets "farts" and takes out the badguy and his car.

I thought IA rocket regiments and heavy arty had
18 per reg.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 09:23

>> that x-country bike armed with two rear firing rockets "farts" and takes out the badguy and his car

we still dont have that bike!

traitors!

the next invasion of pakistan will be buggy and bike borne.

raid in the morning, sup tea in karachi, zoom back in the evening.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Ashutosh » 11 Feb 2004 09:59

Originally posted by nitin:

raid in the morning, sup tea in karachi, zoom back in the evening.
To catch the latest episode of "Kyonki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi"? :D

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 10:06

Originally posted by Ashutosh:
Originally posted by nitin:

raid in the morning, sup tea in karachi, [b]zoom back in the evening.
To catch the latest episode of "Kyonki saas bhi kabhi bahu thi"? :D [/b]
...boss if that were the case, they'd remain back in pakistan! Better safe than sorry.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Manne » 11 Feb 2004 10:08

Okay, now the admins are confusing me. We have a multi-page thread on what NOT to say and then one admin cheerfully draws attention to something with photographic evidence. :eek: Shocking I tell you! Shocking! :whine: :whine: :whine:

I had mistaken it to be Arjun carrier but on closer inspection I realised what it was. This cofirms it.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Roop » 11 Feb 2004 11:13

But Manne, that's the whole point of deterrence. You don't achieve it by hiding your capabilities, you do it by <u>subtly</u> letting them be known.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Cybaru » 11 Feb 2004 11:18

There was nothing subtle about this.

It was out there (exhibition) for everyone to see, the fate of our treachrous neighbours lie with Indian railways!

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 11:22

[quote]Originally posted by Manne:
[b]Okay, now the admins are confusing me. We have a multi-page thread on what NOT to say and then one admin cheerfully draws attention to something with photographic evidence. ;)

Cant be the Arjun carrier imho, since it appears to have a sliding roof.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Cybaru » 11 Feb 2004 11:34

IMI supplied, pinaka correction device.

Okay how does this work ? Any details .. didn;t realize there was decent cut away model photographed.

Optical/laser designation ?
GPS ?
INS ? would work as it is a short distance only.

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Looks like inside shot of dhruv...

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Kapil » 11 Feb 2004 12:52

Speaking of buggies et al,
AM (isn it?) had a stall offering the Hummer to the IA.
As one Indian 'Panzer Oberst' commented on that-- I can probably get half a regiment of T-72s for the price of one hummer.

:)

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Jagan » 11 Feb 2004 13:14

I LIKE the mean Stryker - Maybe I should buy a Bolero and modify it :D

Also liked the picture of the Brahmos TEL.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 13:17

Originally posted by Jagan:
I LIKE the mean Stryker - Maybe I should buy a Bolero and modify it :D

Also liked the picture of the Brahmos TEL.
Like I said...looks are everything. :D

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Manne » 11 Feb 2004 13:18

[quote]Originally posted by nitin:
[b]Bhai mere, the model was on full display at Defexpo, just to make Brig. Sahi of the TSPA happy. They wanted it shown and known. :D

Boss, it indeed was the sliding roof that made me change my mind.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Manne » 11 Feb 2004 13:21

Originally posted by Jagan:
[QB]I LIKE the mean Stryker - Maybe I should buy a Bolero and modify it :D [QB]
Okay, I won't call you "21st century Darth Vader with his Death Star" if you promise me a ride. ;)

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 13:28

Originally posted by Manne:
Originally posted by nitin:
[b]Bhai mere, the model was on full display at Defexpo, just to make Brig. Sahi of the TSPA happy. They wanted it shown and known. :D

Boss, it indeed was the sliding roof that made me change my mind.
He he ...actually by they i meant GOI..but your funda is more fun. So we'll go with ans.2

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby shiv » 11 Feb 2004 13:41

Originally posted by rupak:
[QB]I am surprised people missed this:

http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=48[/ QB]
Goods train after Orissa cyclone?

Or goods train shortly before cyclone in fliendly neighboulhood?

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby shiv » 11 Feb 2004 13:43

Originally posted by nitin:
Its glamorous. Very important. Think of the next series of IA ads showing paras in these buggies zipping across the Thar. Response will be superb.:
<strike out>Balls</strike out>Spherical playthings. Forget the IA - I want one of these to drive around here.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JaiS » 11 Feb 2004 13:44

Originally posted by cy_baru:
Okay how does this work ? Any details .. didn;t realize there was decent cut away model photographed.

Optical/laser designation ?
GPS ?
INS ? would work as it is a short distance only.

From this link.

A typical TCS system includes a rocket with an electronic package and thrust vector control (for teering the rocket during flight), and a ground control unit. In a TCS mode of operation, the rocket is launched in a free flight mode and the ground system automatically directs the steering-kit of the rocket to continuously correct the trajectory of the rocket to the required path-to-target.
<img src="http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/artillery/tcs/tcs.jpg" alt="" />

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Sanjay » 11 Feb 2004 13:46

Regarding the INSAS carbine, I too find it odd that the magazine looks very much like a 9mm.

We've apparently ordered a number of M4s for the Para SF units.

INSAS carbine was supposed to be 5.56mm but excessive recoil and noise were a problem - not unusual in attempting to fire a rifle bullet from a submachine gun size barrel.

The belt-fed 5.56mm LMG - does anyone have a photo of it ?

If it's the Negev, then it's a very interesting and altogether surprising development as the latest news that I had was that the Marcos had ordered some and the Para SF units had prefered to use the Russian PKM in the LMG role.

Don't laugh but the Para SF may well be ordering some of those Dune buggies. In fact, they have.
Not sure if they are the ones displayed.
The Para SF intends to fit 20mm cannon and ATGMs. to the vehicles.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 13:55

Originally posted by shiv:
Originally posted by nitin:
[b]Its glamorous. Very important. Think of the next series of IA ads showing paras in these buggies zipping across the Thar. Response will be superb.:
<strike out>Balls</strike out>Spherical playthings. Forget the IA - I want one of these to drive around here.[/b]
Like I said, its already working. :)

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Jagan » 11 Feb 2004 13:58

What the peck is this? http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43 some sort of an amphibous 'Bridge Layer'?

Coming soon Son of the Buzz Bomb!

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 14:09

Originally posted by Jagan:
What the peck is this? http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43 some sort of an amphibous 'Bridge Layer'?

Coming soon Son of the Buzz Bomb!
Yup. The AFFS..amphibious(or advanced) floating foot bridge system ?

The R&DE (DRDO) are the ones responsible for this contraption along with pvt industry.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby JCage » 11 Feb 2004 14:10

>Don't laugh but the Para SF may well be ordering >some of those Dune buggies. In fact, they have.
>Not sure if they are the ones displayed.
>The Para SF intends to fit 20mm cannon and >ATGMs. to the vehicles.

Sanjay, its high time the IA got itself a publicity unit to take proper pics of such stuff.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby shiv » 11 Feb 2004 15:00

Originally posted by Jagan:
What the peck is this? http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=43 some sort of an amphibous 'Bridge Layer'?

Coming soon Son of the Buzz Bomb!
<a href="http://groups.msn.com/BharatRakshakDefexpo/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6">This</a> looka like that floating bridge.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Sanjay » 11 Feb 2004 15:50

Nitin, publicity is one of the weakest aspects of our forces.
They also tend to be very patronizing. Ask a serious question, they want to charge you with spying !
But seriously, the para SF units are getting a lot of new gear.

Was there any news of production of any black INSAS or the new Excalibur ? The orangey-tan furniture on the current production model looks positively agricultural ( no offence, I come from a Kisan family myself ) compared to the others.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Joeqp » 11 Feb 2004 17:19

That buggy was mentioned in Ashok Mehta in his little article.

In desert environs, such a vehicle is a must for the SF. I remember HH Brig Bhawani Singhji had bought Land Rovers (complete with long-range fuel tanks) for 10 Para before the 71 war (from his own pocket). They put them to great use during Chachro and associated campaigns.

Anyone who has Speedvision (the racing channel) can see races like the Baja 500 and the Tecate 250, to see the state-of-the-art in offroad desert vehicles. I wish the desert SF unit(s) would get something similar: capable of reaching Karachi (and back), carring 4 men each with some heavy weaponry, etc.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Jagan » 11 Feb 2004 17:29

Originally posted by Manavendra:
I remember HH Brig Bhawani Singhji had bought Land Rovers (complete with long-range fuel tanks) for 10 Para before the 71 war (from his own pocket). They put them to great use during Chachro and associated campaigns.
Are you sure this was during the War or was it after it? I have seen several photographs from the Chachro and Umarkot raids and I could see only the Mahindra Jeeps and Jongas.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Rupak » 11 Feb 2004 17:32

Originally posted by shiv:
Or goods train shortly before cyclone in fliendly neighboulhood?
Actually multipurpose goods wagon, shortly before cyclone and brimstone.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Rupak » 11 Feb 2004 17:36

Originally posted by Sanjay:
The orangey-tan furniture on the current production model looks positively agricultural ( no offence, I come from a Kisan family myself ) compared to the others.
OFB can supply any colour. It is for the customer to order. Having worked with bureaucracies, the one thing that is common to all is their apathy towards procurement guidelines. It's too much paperwork and hassle. Hence the orange.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Rupak » 11 Feb 2004 17:42

Originally posted by nitin:

Arjun news- any? :D

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Shishir » 11 Feb 2004 23:23

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Caption:An Israeli exhibitioner explains the functioning of the new generation Multi-Purpose Missile System (Spike) to an Army jawan at the Defexpo India 2004 in New Delhi on Friday. — Tribune photo by Mukesh Aggarwal

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Caption:NEW DELHI, INDIA: An Indian businessman (L) discusses the merits of a Meprolight gun with a saleswoman on the Israel Defence Industry Stand at the International Defence Exhibition ''Defexpo India-2004'' in New Delhi, 07 February 2004.

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Caption:NEW DELHI, INDIA: A Russian saleswoman (R) stands in front of a collection of an AK series of 7.62mm Dragunov sniper rifles on display at the Russian Stand of the International Defence Exhibition ''Defexpo India-2004'' in New Delhi, 07 February 2004.

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Caption:NEW DELHI, INDIA: A Russian saleswoman (R) stands in front of a collection of an AK series of 7.62mm Dragunov sniper rifles on display at the Russian Stand at the International Defence Exhibition ''Defexpo India-2004'' in New Delhi, 07 February 2004.

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Caption: NEW DELHI, INDIA: Visitors stand next to Eurocopter's naval version of the Cougar helicopter which is intended for anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare at the International Defence Exhibition ''Defexpo India-2004'' in New Delhi, 05 February 2004.

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby SaiK » 11 Feb 2004 23:54

"nice" images

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Re: Defence Expo 2004

Postby Rudra » 12 Feb 2004 01:00

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