Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Dec 2014 11:36

habal:

You cannot take civilian lives on the cheap using just an AK-47.

Not so fast. Right now, the terrorists cannot acquire guns and weapons in Indian territory and have to bring it with them to use in India -- making guns readily available would make it a lot easier to have sleeper cells like SIMI acquire sophisticated weapons and then just do another 26/11 by just shipping the terrorists without any of the supplies and rations and weapons as they did.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2014 11:37

Terrorist always have guns, they are never hampered by arms restrictions on civvies. Whether in India or in Pakistan.

In Pakistan some civilians also have guns. In India no body has good guns.

If Indians have guns, then even sleeper SIMI cells would not be able to achieve much.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 11:39

Altair wrote:Ajit Doval visits PAK High Commission

Has there been any precedent when a NSA visits Pak High commission and pay sympathies? Surely, AD knows Pakis dont give a rodents behind for the gesture. For all purposes the retards in Pak High Commission must believe it was AD who must have spinned it for TTP to attack the army school in first place and AD wanted to look in the enemy eye after stabbing them.
Why visit then?

We should have no problem when the Indian government follows protocols, conventions and decency so long as it is steely determined to eradicate the rodent. So far, GoI has exhibited the right attitude towards Pakistan, IMHO.

OTOH, organized demonstrations of sympathy by US-funded Aman-ki-Asha and other types is dangerous because they brainwash our people with their sinister agenda.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 18 Dec 2014 11:43

shravan wrote: At the time of the Bannu Qareeza massacre, Prophet Mohammed ordered only those children be killed whose pubic hairs have appeared: TTP chief

Overwhelmed by the humanitarianism shown by this Prophet Mohammed chappie.

Also, I have developed an interest in ranking Islamic ethnic communities by their degree of dementedness & capability for mass brutalism of the worst kind. Which ethnic community tops the table - would it be the Pashtuns or the Chechens ? Or are they beaten by the Turks ? Or are these folks merely pawns being played by Pakjabis ?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Dec 2014 11:44

Has there been any precedent when a NSA visits Pak High commission and pay sympathies?

Why not? The pakis are utterly convinced that the NSA was involved -- don't know about you but if you believed that and the guy just stopped over and was sympathetic, your paranoia could read all sorts of non existent messages and spook you. The audience for this visit is not the pakis, but Indians, specifically the morons in India who are standing in solidarity with pakistan who are clearly stupid enough to believe any CT the pakis spin against the Indian NSA. Keeping the temperature low while working the background to ensure the knives are sharp and getting ready for any escalation is smart.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 11:52

Pakistan should hand over Hafiz Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim to India: Venkaiah Naidu - ET

India today asked Pakistan to hand over Mumbai terror attack accused Hafiz Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim, who also figures in the country's most wanted list, to it if the neighbouring country is serious about fighting terrorism.

Union Minister M Venkaiah Naidu said Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif should seize the opportunity in the wake of terror attack on Peshawar school and take bold steps to combat terrorism.

"If Pakistan is serious in fighting terrorism, it should arrest Hafiz Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim and hand them over to India... I hope Nawaz Sharif will seize this opportunity to take bold steps against terrorism," he told reporters outside Parliament.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Dec 2014 11:55

some arsehole in FB says "God Bless Beautiful Pakistan!!"

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 12:02

From NightWatch for the night of Dec. 17, 2014

Pakistan: In response to the attack on the Army Public School in Peshawar, the government has lifted a six-year old moratorium on capital punishment for terrorism.

"It was decided that this moratorium should be lifted. The prime minister approved," said government spokesman Mohiuddin Wan, referring to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's approval of the decision by a ministerial committee.

"Black warrants will be issued within a day or two," he said, referring to execution orders.

According to Pakistan analysts, the moratorium on the death penalty was imposed in 2008. Only one execution has taken place since then. The Justice Project Pakistan, a legal aid group, said that there are believed to be more than 8,000 prisoners on death row in Pakistan, about 10 percent convicted of offenses labelled "terrorism".

Comment: Other Pakistan security scholars wrote that a major problem in Pakistan is that national security policy distinguishes between good and bad terrorists. For example, the Kashmiri militants are good terrorists because their operations tie down large numbers of Indian security forces in Kashmir and thus help equalize the conventional military imbalance that overwhelmingly favors India.

Another example of good terrorists, in Pakistan's policy, is the Haqqani syndicate. It is based in northwestern Pakistan, but focuses its energies and operations against the government in Kabul, Afghanistan. In some respects the Haqqanis are proxies of Pakistani intelligence because their operations ensure that Pakistan will retain influence in Afghanistan should the Afghan Taliban return to power.

The Pakistani Taliban wants to replace the Pakistan government with an Islamic state. It is riddled with factions, most based on tribal affiliations. A faction of the Pakistani Taliban -- bad terrorists -- executed the attack on the school children.

US experience with Pakistan in the past 13 years shows that Pakistani intelligence is not capable of keeping track of or controlling the good and bad terrorists. As a result, Pakistan has no coherent counter-terrorism policy and no uniform legal definition of terrorism that is free of governmental manipulation. The 800 or so prisoners on death row for terrorism offenses presumably are all bad terrorists.

The Pakistani intelligence services will capture the culprits from the Peshawar attack and there will be executions. The terrorism problem, however, will continue as before. In extreme Islamist belief, capital punishment is no deterrent because death is a release, not a punishment.

Now, that articulation of the US policy is rather interesting to me. What it seems to convey is that if only the Pakistani intelligence can 'keep track of or control' the terrorists, that was all right. That is, using terror as an extension of the State's and the military's foreign policies (because in Pakistan, both the State and the Pakistani Army have foreign policies) was OK provided the terrorists are under the command and control of the Army, like for example the Lashkar-e-Toiba or Jaish-e-Muhammad. It is only when they get out of control, it is deemed as problematic. That is, there is approval for the Pakistani classification of 'good' and 'bad' terrorists.

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Dec 2014 12:08

Saw this somewhere:

Terrorism has no religion but Islam and its only follower is Pakistan.

AbhiJ · Post by **AbhiJ** » 18 Dec 2014 12:19

From a westerner somewhere on the net on the attacks:

I think the whole world is fed up with Pigistan
and stirring up sympathy for the Porkistanians is
a public relations impossibility. Hopefully they will try to blame it on Indian spies
or something. Then we might get to see India
nuke them off the map and we could be eternally
grateful.

partha · Post by **partha** » 18 Dec 2014 12:30

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan should hand over Hafiz Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim to India: Venkaiah Naidu - ET

I wonder what's the use of issuing such statements. Rajnath Singh recently broke the news that Pakistan sponsors terrorism against India.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Dec 2014 12:31

Terrorist always have guns, they are never hampered by arms restrictions on civvies. Whether in India or in Pakistan.

Not necessarily true unless weapons are readily available already -- heavy weaponry cannot be acquired easily within India with civilian assistance and the pakis need to create the supply chain to get the weapons in India to use them. Making such weapons easily available only makes it easier for the pakis to not have to worry about one important detail in planning attacks.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 12:33

IMF funds Pakistan.
4th, 5th review completed: IMF executive board okays release of $1.05b to Pakistan
http://customstoday.com.pk/4th-5th-revi ... -pakistan/

Reported by: `Monitoring Report December 18, 2014

ISLAMABAD: The IMF Executive Board completed fourth and fifth reviews of Pakistan’s economic performance and granted release of $1.05 under its $6.8 billion three-year Extended Fund Facility (EFF).

As per reports, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) agreed to release another $1.05 billion in financial assistance to Pakistan as part of its effort to help the country overcome economic crisis.

With this, the total disbursements under the arrangement will reach about $3.2 billion.

The executive board also approved the authorities’ request for waivers of non-observance of performance criteria on the basis of the corrective measures taken, including prior actions on net domestic assets and on government borrowing from the State Bank of Pakistan.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2014 12:34

Tuvaluan wrote:
Terrorist always have guns, they are never hampered by arms restrictions on civvies. Whether in India or in Pakistan.
Not necessarily true

It's always true. It's a pre-qualification to be a terrorist, that they have to somehow acquire weapons capability. If not, they do not qualify to be a terrorist. A terrorist can always get an AK-47, there is an well-entrenched supply-chain through Nepal and Myanmar for such weapons in India. Most of AK's are Chinese in origin. One costs 75K in black market. So where is restriction for terrorist ?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 12:39

Quote of the Day?
In the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wor ... to-change/
"After Peshawar terror attack, one Pakistani calls on his nation to change"

It should be clarified that the picture attached to this article is from a prayer gathering following the Peshawar massacre that was staged by the charity arm of an organization associated with Lashkar-e-Taiba, another Pakistani terrorist group.

Samar Abbas Kazmi offers this new comment: "I think it subliminally underscores the extent of the challenge Pakistan has to overcome: when the outlet for your grief from a terrorist attack is a prayer meeting organised by another terrorist group, with a similar outlook, you really do have a problem as a society."

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 18 Dec 2014 12:47

habal:

It's always true. It's a pre-qualification to be a terrorist, that they have to somehow acquire weapons capability. If not, they do not qualify to be a terrorist. A terrorist can always get an AK-47, there is an well-entrenched supply-chain through Nepal and Myanmar for such weapons in India.

I am not talking theoretically -- of course, if you had infinite budgets, you can do anything, but even paki terrorists and their handlers are working on a budget.

if acquiring weapons was all that easy, why do you think the pakis would not have moved weapons caches into India already? Why is it that the paki terror handlers are only able to do so close to the paki border in J&K -- obviously the Indian security forces make it a whole lot harder for them to easily transport weapons? Clearly, the cost of transporting weapons increases as you get further out of paki territory into Indian territory, and the pakis trying to train groups like SIMI and IM in India seems to be aimed at creating assets that can create such a supply chain.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 18 Dec 2014 12:57

[quote="habal"][quote="Tuvaluan"][quote]
Terrorist always have guns, they are never hampered by arms restrictions on civvies. Whether in India or in Pakistan.
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Not necessarily true [/quote]

It's always true. It's a pre-qualification to be a terrorist, that they have to somehow acquire weapons capability. If not, they do not qualify to be a terrorist. A terrorist can always get an AK-47, there is an well-entrenched supply-chain through Nepal and Myanmar for such weapons in India. Most of AK's are Chinese in origin. One costs 75K in black market. So where is restriction for terrorist ?[/quote]
Heard this from someone in the family who is a resident of Guwahati. There is a Vishnu/Balaji temple in the city. The temple rituals are performed by a vaishnavite priest from Tamil Nadu. He was narrating to me what the priest had told him. One day, an ULFA or Bodo militant (the priest wasn't sure of the identiy) with his associate came to the temple and wanted a puja performed for his brand new AK 47 much like someone placing the keys of his new car before the deity! The priest didn't really have the option of saying no. He placed the AK 47 at the feet of the deity and with a tremor in his voice recited the 108 names as a 'sthothra' and later performed the arti. The dakshina for his labour was quite handsome. A 500 rupee note!

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2014 13:02

Firstly pakistan is a UP-sized nation. And as you said, it has budgets. It supplies weapons only to areas of conflicts which are of it's interest. This includes military installations in Kashmir and rest of the country. And civilian traffic in big cities and low-risk, high-value targets like Railways, airplanes etc.

Uptil here, your philosophy of arms restrictions is helpful in reducing security burden to lesser priority areas. But this paradigm can change in future.

Let's say 1 terrorist gets 1 weapon. He also can't operate 2 AK's simultaneously without compromising somewhere. Number of terrorists or radicalised youths isn't inexhaustable. But number of civilians outnumber them 1000:1.

SIMI has to operate from it's ghetto. Once a air asset takes out his ghetto, they have no place to go back to. The remaining on ground can be easily dealt with even by civilians or police. Else you can imagine the cost of securing the country and the general panic that will settle in.

If civilians are armed, I predict a short-medium term of increased sufism, and Aman-Ki-Asha initiatives.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Dec 2014 13:03

Tuvaluan wrote:Has there been any precedent when a NSA visits Pak High commission and pay sympathies?
Keeping the temperature low while working the background to ensure the knives are sharp and getting ready for any escalation is smart

I tend to believe that even AD was surprised by the intensity of the attack and wanted to "stir the pot" to see what comes out when he visits Pak HC. Either to confirm a hunch or to force a reaction from Pakis to read. It is definitely more pro-active way to find whats cooking.
One can easily read "Fear" or "Anger". They are not easy to hide.

SSridhar wrote:OTOH, organized demonstrations of sympathy by US-funded Aman-ki-Asha and other types is dangerous because they brainwash our people with their sinister agenda.

This is the same ISI department which also funds elections of Azam Khans and Owaisis in India. The best counter is to supply location info of those expensive human assets for US Drones to do the needful.

partha · Post by **partha** » 18 Dec 2014 13:14

chaigharwallah RAPE writes -

http://www.dailyo.in/opinion/will-pesha ... /1128.html

Will Peshawar attack change Pakistan's policy on terror?

But the question remains if these operations will result in a comprehensive action against the entire Taliban movement or if it will be limited to the elements that are not in control of Rawalpindi.

It is difficult to predict. On the one hand, the US is pulling out of Afghanistan, and Pakistan will not want to lose influence in the region. On the other hand, the public pressure in Pakistan means that the state may have to target the "good" brethren of the "bad" Taliban. Pakistan’s predicament is a sad tale of domestic Islamist identity enmeshed with the regional dynamics. It needs the cooperation of Afghanistan and some assurance from India to undo the past trends. But the two suspicious neighbours are unlikely to do that. Especially India under Narendra Modi cannot be seen to be "weak" or "accommodating" towards Pakistan. This only complicates the issue and spells out the intimation of a violent, turbulent future for the region, especially Pakistan.

Now it is Modi's fault. What does "accommodating" mean anyway? Probably giving Kashmir to Pakistan. If Pakistanis can't fix their country on their own then they don't deserve a country.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 18 Dec 2014 13:29

^^^
Mind boggling megalomania.
Here is a country teetering on the edge with financial ruin/terror all around/no significant industry/poor education/poor health/ and these guys want influence in Afghanistan?
Who in Pak is showing this intent to turn over?

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 18 Dec 2014 13:38

http://www.dawn.com/news/1151434/imran- ... i-protests

Imran Khan announces end of PTI protests

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) on Wednesday decided to end their countrywide sit-in protests, DawnNews reported.

“Due to the situation in the country right now, we have decided to end our protests,” PTI Chairman Imran Khan told party supporters in Islamabad.

Betcha the real reason he's calling off the protests is because he doesn't want to be the next target.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 13:55

Terror — a creation of Pak politicians - G.Parthasarathy, Business Line

In our public discourse on terrorism from territory under Pakistan’s control, there is a tendency to hold the military establishment solely responsible for the rise of terrorist outfits -- as though that country’s political establishment and parties have nothing to do with the radical Islamic militant groups there.

It is no secret that the Deobandi oriented Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) headed by Maulana Fazlur Rehman has backed the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen in Jammu and Kashmir and the Jaish-e-Mohammed, responsible for the hijacking of IC814 and the December 2001 attack on India’s Parliament. It was when the JUI was an ally of Benazir Bhutto in 1994 that government assistance to the Taliban, organised by her interior minister, Nasrullah Babbar, gathered momentum. The Jamaat-e-Islami, a perennial ISI favourite since the days of Gen Zia, backs the Hizbul Mujahideen in J&K.

It is in this context that we must objectively analyse the role of Nawaz Sharif in the promotion of terrorism across Pakistan’s borders with India and Afghanistan. Moreover, we must not forget that while the Sharif family may have lived in Punjab (initially in Amritsar and thereafter in Lahore and Raiwind) their roots are in Kashmir; Mian Mohammed Sharif (Nawaz’s father) hailed from Anantnag and his mother from Pulwama.

Sharif has a far more hardline position on J&K than many other politicians. He is obsessed with creating conditions to keep international attention focused on Jammu and Kashmir, even if this involves promoting terrorist violence throughout India.
Tough line

Sharif started his political career in the 1980s with huge patronage from the Islamist inclined President Zia-ul-Haq. He was elected for his first term as Prime Minister, heading a group of Islamic parties, stitched together by then army chief General Aslam Beg. His Islamist inclinations towards Afghanistan became evident when, in 1992, he became the only foreign head of government to visit Afghanistan then ruled by a motley group of radical mujahideen put together by the ISI.

More importantly, Sharif appointed the fundamentalist Lt Gen Javed Nasir, who was a member of the fundamentalist Tablighi Jamaat, then backed by his father Mian Mohammed Sharif, as head of the ISI. Nasir, backed by Sharif, using the services of Dawood Ibrahim, is believed to have masterminded the 1993 Mumbai bomb blasts, in which 250 Indians perished.

Ominous for India are the links of the Sharif family with the obscurantist ‘Ahle Hadees’ fundamentalist Hafiz Mohammed Saeed who aided the ISI-backed mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 1980s. In 1997, Sharif accorded formal diplomatic recognition to the Taliban led by Mullah Omar. He ordered the governor of Punjab Shahid Hamid and his information minister Mushahid Hussain to pay their respects to Hafeez Saeed.
The Khalistan connection

More significantly, Sharif moved to strengthen Pakistan’s residual ties with Khalistanis worldwide, by the appointment of Javed Nasir as the head of a so-called ‘Pakistan Gurudwara Prabhandak Committee’. Prime Minister Vajpayee’s aircraft had barely taken off on this return flight to India from Lahore, when Khalistan banners and slogans came up in gurdwaras across Pakistan to incite Sikh pilgrims. An Indian diplomat who witnessed this was beaten up.There has been no change in Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s approach on all these issues even in his third term which commenced last year. Hafiz Mohammed Saeed continues to receive patronage with funds from the Punjab provincial government headed by the Prime Minister’s brother, Shahbaz Sharif. His co-conspirators in the 2008, 26/11 terrorist attack, led by Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, live in comfort, ostensibly under detention, in the Adiala Jail.

It is no coincidence that Hafeez Saeed’s recent Lahore Jamboree coincided with the terrorist attack in Uri, which was quite evidently designed to disrupt public participation in the last three rounds of polling for the State Assembly in Jammu and Kashmir.

Major interlocutors like the US, EU, Russia and China have to be candidly told that we will not countenance continuing terrorism. One can sense some shifts in the US and EU positions with regard to Pakistan-sponsored terrorism. After some initial prevarication on the December 5 Uri terrorist attack, a senior state department official stated: “The United States remains firmly committed to working in close partnership with India to defeat terrorism in all its forms.”
US scepticism

Moreover, the US Congress is now far more sceptical about Pakistani intentions than the state department. Recent legislation providing Coalition Support Funds to Pakistan have, for the first time, tied release of such funds to action by Pakistan against the Haqqani Network, Al Qaeda and the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

India should seek clarification from President Barack Obama about American efforts to promote “reconciliation” with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Pakistani commentators are envisaging a virtual handover of several districts in Afghanistan to Taliban control. This will have serious implications for India’s security.

As Pakistan’s Kargil misadventure was drawing to an ignominious end, Sharif rushed to the White House for a bail-out. President Bill Clinton asked him to first restore “the sanctity of the Line of Control”. Sharif agreed to take steps for the “restoration of the Line of Control in accordance with the Simla Agreement”. Gen Pervez Musharraf thereafter agreed in January 2004 that “territory under Pakistan’s control” would not be used for terrorism against India. Will these promises be observed in letter and spirit? It remains to be seen if the tragic events in Peshawar will lead to any rethinking about the dangers posed by nurturing terrorist outfits like the Taliban and the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The writer is a former High Commissioner to Pakistan

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 13:59

LeT founder and commander and the 26/11 mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi granted bail by ATC for lack of evidence. This is how Pakistan fights terror. Our bleeding hearts must take note.

Let us see if GoTSP even appeals against the bail.

This is the beginning of the release of all those b@stards.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 14:08

Those who purchased Sukuk bonds are already in the red:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-1 ... -sale.html

Pakistan’s dollar-denominated Islamic bonds fell for a ninth straight day, pushing the yield up 2 bps to 7.48 percent, highest since debt sold in November. *NOTE: Pakistan issued $1b of the 6.75% notes last month in its first dollar sukuk offering since 2005; sale was 5X oversubscribed

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 14:10

Pakistan is indeed "serious" about pursuing terrorism.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/26-11 ... tan-636468
As noted already by SSridhar, but now with a link.

26/11 Accused Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi Gets Bail in Pakistan

A Pakistani court has granted bail to Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, accused of planning the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in which 166 people were killed six years ago.

Lakhvi, a senior commander of the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, has been in a prison in Rawalpindi.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 18 Dec 2014 14:14

partha wrote:chaigharwallah RAPE writes -

http://www.dailyo.in/opinion/will-pesha ... /1128.html

Will Peshawar attack change Pakistan's policy on terror?
[>>quote]But the question remains if these operations will result in a comprehensive action against the entire Taliban movement or if it will be limited to the elements that are not in control of Rawalpindi.

It is difficult to predict. On the one hand, the US is pulling out of Afghanistan, and Pakistan will not want to lose influence in the region. On the other hand, the public pressure in Pakistan means that the state may have to target the "good" brethren of the "bad" Taliban. Pakistan’s predicament is a sad tale of domestic Islamist identity enmeshed with the regional dynamics. It needs the cooperation of Afghanistan and some assurance from India to undo the past trends. But the two suspicious neighbours are unlikely to do that. Especially India under Narendra Modi cannot be seen to be "weak" or "accommodating" towards Pakistan. This only complicates the issue and spells out the intimation of a violent, turbulent future for the region, especially Pakistan.[<</quote]

Now it is Modi's fault. What does "accommodating" mean anyway? Probably giving Kashmir to Pakistan. If Pakistanis can't fix their country on their own then they don't deserve a country.

Modi is one jump ahead of these mofos. He knows invariably the demand that India and Modi especially do more will arise in normal course of business so he has tried to preempt that. He has already "kissed the candle" to show "accommodation" apart from sending Doval to sign the condolence book. It was his idea to have schools kids show solidarity with the Peshwar deads. Expect some more on the optics in coming days but note that optics can also be optical illusions.

He knows the optics are powerful as an international leader but that is as far as he will accommodate. One must not forget that there are a large number of folks around the world including in India who are waiting to pull him down.

satya · Post by **satya** » 18 Dec 2014 14:16

SSridhar wrote:
Altair wrote:Ajit Doval visits PAK High Commission

Has there been any precedent when a NSA visits Pak High commission and pay sympathies? Surely, AD knows Pakis dont give a rodents behind for the gesture. For all purposes the retards in Pak High Commission must believe it was AD who must have spinned it for TTP to attack the army school in first place and AD wanted to look in the enemy eye after stabbing them.
Why visit then?
We should have no problem when the Indian government follows protocols, conventions and decency so long as it is steely determined to eradicate the rodent. So far, GoI has exhibited the right attitude towards Pakistan, IMHO.

OTOH, organized demonstrations of sympathy by US-funded Aman-ki-Asha and other types is dangerous because they brainwash our people with their sinister agenda.

Post Mumbai massacre ISI chief Pasha attended Indian High commission's ramzan dinner . Return visit to banta hei boss!

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2014 14:24

A_Gupta wrote:Pakistan is indeed "serious" about pursuing terrorism.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/26-11 ... tan-636468
As noted already by SSridhar, but now with a link.
26/11 Accused Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi Gets Bail in Pakistan

A Pakistani court has granted bail to Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, accused of planning the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in which 166 people were killed six years ago.

Lakhvi, a senior commander of the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, has been in a prison in Rawalpindi.

It's an obvious thing you see. Only if they release a terrorist can they then pursue terrorism.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Dec 2014 14:33

India must clearly up the ante now in line with its behaviour of reciprocating disproportionately for every Pakistani misdemeanour.

sanjchopra · Post by **sanjchopra** » 18 Dec 2014 14:38

A_Gupta wrote:Pakistan is indeed "serious" about pursuing terrorism.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/26-11 ... tan-636468
As noted already by SSridhar, but now with a link.
26/11 Accused Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi Gets Bail in Pakistan

A Pakistani court has granted bail to Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, accused of planning the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai in which 166 people were killed six years ago.

Lakhvi, a senior commander of the terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, has been in a prison in Rawalpindi.

In my view, this outcome was expected. The 'nautanki' that was going on in the Pakistan courts was a complete eyewash for Indian and international consumption till Afghanistan was an active theatre. All pretense have been dropped by the Sharief govt and Pakistani army now wrt. India. Now since the gloves are off, maybe it's good that pr!ck is outside rather than inside for Indian agencies to get their hands on him.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 14:39

Actually, it is quite obvious why Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi was released. You would have thought that even if the state of the case legally required the court to grant bail, it could have stalled for a week before granting bail, given the current optics around terrorism in Pakistan.

But before going after some Islamic terrorists, the Pakistani state has to reassure the "good" terrorists that they won't be touched. This is a signal to the "good" terrorists that the wrath of the Pakistani Army is reserved for the "bad" terrorists, and not to give shelter or aid to the bad terrorists. It is also probably a signal that all will be forgiven if only they strike India.

niran · Post by **niran** » 18 Dec 2014 14:48

Altair wrote:Ajit Doval visits PAK High Commission

Has there been any precedent when a NSA visits Pak High commission and pay sympathies? Surely, AD knows Pakis dont give a rodents behind for the gesture. For all purposes the retards in Pak High Commission must believe it was AD who must have spinned it for TTP to attack the army school in first place and AD wanted to look in the enemy eye after stabbing them.
Why visit then?

am sure the talks must have included something similar
AD- nice piece you got, it would be real shame if it is ruined.
Baki- why...WTH...... oh!...ah!..... i understand, nothings gonna ruin it.

arun · Post by **arun** » 18 Dec 2014 14:56

Shiv Aroor wrting in dailyo.

Taliban attack: Why I don't stand with Pakistan :

Clicky

Excerpt:

If we must stand with Pakistan. I can speak for myself, so here's who I stand with: above all, the children and school staff who were murdered in Peshawar. The parents of every child who perished. Every Pakistani who weeps for what her or his nation has become but isn't strong enough to change it yet. Every officer in the government or Army, every journalist who has even the most fleeting sense that this toxic, self-perpetuating horror that the Pakistani state has created over decades needs not only to be reined in, but destroyed without a trace to give Pakistan's young a clean break for the future. Every Pakistani who mourns Indians killed by Pakistani terrorists. That's the Pakistan I stand with. The problem is, I don't believe that's Pakistan at all. Not even close.

If we're going to stand with Pakistan, let's be clear what we're setting aside: the fact that Pakistan continues to sponsor, handle and execute terror attacks on Indian soil. That India is a direct target of the group that claims responsibility for the Peshawar attack. We're setting aside every victim - including hundreds of Indian children - of Pakistan-sponsored terror. That the Taliban is a creation of the Pakistani state. That deadly games within the Pakistani establishment that still see, for want of a better phrase, Pakistan running with the hares and hunting with the hounds. We're setting aside every bit of evidence we have ever supplied to Pakistan that implicates the state and the army that shows them responsible or complicit in the spilling of Indian blood. The question I get is why the bloody bean-count? This isn't the time to compare. This is the time to share grief. This isn't the time to ask questions. Don't use the deaths of children to make a supposedly bigger point. To use a national horror for a historic adversary to shoot holes in the brilliant fabric of holy-grail unity. Specifics are inconvenient. Objectivity is a bitch. Shut that shit away, nobody wants to hear it. Not the right time to ask why the horror of Peshawar should stoke sympathy for anyone except those who bled, and those who want to change Pakistan. Not the right time to say that speaking of being with Pakistan is to squander valuable sentimentalism and open-spiritedness on something we aren't remotely clear or sure about.

Talk is cheap. The lives of school children too.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 18 Dec 2014 14:56

A_Gupta wrote:Other news of the investigation:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/808503/pesh ... ec-report/

A_Gupta Ji :

Two comments from the above Article

1. Amazing! How come after the facts things becomes crystal clear that how, what, when all this was planned by whom and where. And let’s suppose they knew everything then it beg a bigger question is why did they not stop this carnage from happening?

Aren’t these the same agencies which didn’t know that whereabouts of Osaama when he lived not even a mile from Kakul academy? I wonder how much truth is all this that these agencies are putting out.

2. So they deliberately allowed this to happen inspite of knowing the entire plan?

Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Dec 2014 15:05

Peregrine wrote:Two comments from the above Article

1. Amazing! How come after the facts things becomes crystal clear that how, what, when all this was planned by whom and where. And let’s suppose they knew everything then it beg a bigger question is why did they not stop this carnage from happening?

Aren’t these the same agencies which didn’t know that whereabouts of Osaama when he lived not even a mile from Kakul academy? I wonder how much truth is all this that these agencies are putting out.

2. So they deliberately allowed this to happen inspite of knowing the entire plan?

Cheers

Peregrine, I thought that other article - dailymail? - explained it all. They knew everything except the city, which they thought was Islamabad, not Peshawar.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Dec 2014 15:18

what kind of tech error gave the pig the bail ???

In a quick comeback, the Pakistan PMO says the bail order to Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi was a technical error and the government would ensure that justice is done. "The government will oppose this bail order and ensure that justice is done. The Nawaz Sharif govt is committed to rooting out terror," the PMO said.

Zaki-ur-Rehman's bail comes in the backdrop of Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif vow on Wednesday to intensify the war on terror as mass funerals in the Peshawar attacks.

As Pakistan mourned its dead, Sharif said all political parties had decided to draft a national action plan against terrorists within a week and act upon it immediately. "We announce that there will be no differentiation between 'good' and 'bad' Taliban and have resolved to continue the war against terrorism till the last terrorist is eliminated," the Pakistan Prime Minister said, following an all-party meeting.

Lakhvi, one of the prime accused in the November 26, 2008 Mumbai blasts, was granted bail by Pakistan's anti-terror court today, along with six other accused.

All the seven Pakistani nationals are accused of planning and abetting the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. They had filed bail applications in the anti-terrorism court at Rawalpindi on Wednesday.

:rediff

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 18 Dec 2014 15:41

Hmm!! PeeAref Anal-e-sys is rather behind on this, no bun intended. Note sequence:

1. NaMo calls Thief-e-Sugar. LATE at night, waking T-e-S from whisky-sodden snoring.
2. AD vijits Portoilet-e-Dilli.

What do u think he conveyed? condolences? Or

? Or something else entirely that required personal conveying by AD?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 18 Dec 2014 15:58

UlanBatori wrote:Hmm!! PeeAref Anal-e-sys is rather behind on this, no bun intended. Note sequence:

1. NaMo calls Thief-e-Sugar. LATE at night, waking T-e-S from whisky-sodden snoring.
2. AD vijits Portoilet-e-Dilli.

What do u think he conveyed? condolences? Or ? Or something else entirely that required personal conveying by AD?

Blease to not make jenerlizations. We may not be boasting news anymore unless urgent, but pehind we are not. Also some people read neuj of mongolia, and get board when yak-putter is in short subbly.

As to the conveyance, it is condolences. purely protocol.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Dec 2014 16:07

you people have started sounding like that lutyens twitees