Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 06 Jan 2015 06:00

Four Pakistani terrorists on death row acquitted by Lahore High Court

http://www.jagran.com/news/world-lahore ... um=twitter

(Link is in Hindi, by the way)

Joy. I guess Praveen Swami can cheer about human rights being preserved in Pakistan at least.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jan 2015 06:11

abhijitm wrote:
CRamS wrote: I mean is India even a nation anymore? The day is not far off when you have a p!ss process involving TSP/Cong/AAP etc on one side, and BJP on the other.
Are you judging India by these scumbags!! Do you really believe their audience is common man and whatever is happening there is for the benefit of common man? Tell you, if you can't pity them then dont watch or read them. But dont get hyper or nervous. They are nothing. For thousands of years Bharat has seen even bigger rats than these. We all will live happily ever after. Dont worry.

If it ain't America it ain't a nation

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2015 07:26

The loans upon loans continue:
http://nation.com.pk/business/06-Jan-20 ... -from-ibrd

Pakistan is expecting to receive $500 million from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), as the country has qualified for the loan after increasing its foreign exchange reserves to $15 billion in December previous year.

"Pakistan is expecting to receive $500 million from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)", said a senior official of the Finance Ministry while talking to The Nation on Monday. However, he added that disbursement of aforesaid amount might take some time.

Pakistan had qualified for IBRD after enhancing its reserves to $15 billion last month (December).

partha · Post by **partha** » 06 Jan 2015 07:46

A_Gupta wrote:The loans upon loans continue:
http://nation.com.pk/business/06-Jan-20 ... -from-ibrd

Pakistan is expecting to receive $500 million from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD), as the country has qualified for the loan after increasing its foreign exchange reserves to $15 billion in December previous year.

"Pakistan is expecting to receive $500 million from the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development (IBRD)", said a senior official of the Finance Ministry while talking to The Nation on Monday. However, he added that disbursement of aforesaid amount might take some time.

Pakistan had qualified for IBRD after enhancing its reserves to $15 billion last month (December).

So Pakistan qualified for $500 million loan because it was successful in enhancing its forex reserves to $15 billion. How did Pakistan increase its reserves to $15 billion? Loan from IMF -

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/kt-article- ... aebusiness

Dar said the country’s foreign exchange reserves will reach $15 billion mark by December and it would be enough to meet three-month imports of the country. He said the IMF mission had expressed satisfaction with Pakistan’s economic performance and the country will get the $1.1 billion tranche in December that will bolster the country’s forex reserves.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2015 07:54

Pakistanis and their delusions of grandeur:
http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015/01 ... -grandeur/

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2015 08:11

This is quite clear-eyed about Pakistani economic reality:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1155096/muddli ... gh-in-2015

The IMF (for global political reasons and its own need to speedily recover its past loans) has been an active partner in this blatant massaging of numbers.

Similarly, what is there to gloat about reserves built entirely on borrowed money ($2bn at extortionate interest rates) and one-off flows from benefactors while our external accounts deteriorate?

Our style of governance is to perpetually look towards the international community for handouts to pay our bills, as if we have an open-ended licence to mismanage our affairs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Jan 2015 08:43

shiv wrote: If it ain't America it ain't a nation

DoCJI, from my vantage point, the equivalent of a Praveen Swami or Karan Thappad here in US wouldn't be on national TV aiding and abetting the enemy nation. People like them will be confined to some left wing rags, not mainstream media like in India. US's nationalism is any day more entrenched and rabid than India's.

All: Praveen Swami and Karan Thappad made a few telling points on why they are so gung ho on poking holes in the govt's narrative on the Paki terror boat. Four points stand out in my mind:

1. Praveen Swami didn't even hide his contempt for ModiJi's "muh-tod jawab" policy along the LoC citing repeated violations by TSP.

2. He explicitly said that his motivation to expose the "truth" comes from his desire to not let BJP exploit thwarting a non existent terror plot.

3. Praveen Swami took offense at the suggestion by Sambit Patra that India doesn't need any lectures on violence, instigation, and provocation by of all people TSP.

4. Karan Thappad took offense to Narsimha Rao's assertion as to why he is harping on fool-proof evidence when TSP will flush it down the toilet and he cited TSP's response to all of India's dosas post 26/11. To which Karan Thappad was effusive in his defense of TSP and pointed to the 7 or so pigLeTs that TSP arrested. Man, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.

Bottom line: All the nay sayers are motivated by their anti-BJP bias, and vehemently loath to ModiJi's policy of no talks with TSP (perhaps some lifafa journalism at work).

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Jan 2015 09:13

Monkey and Pagal Kutte

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 06 Jan 2015 11:49

Ideological Compatibility Among Ministerial Troika Strengthens Modi-fied Pak Policy - Prabhu Chawla, New Indian Express
Excerpts

Modi, it seems, has learnt lessons from the past and has avoided choosing opportunists who pursued their own agendas without staying true to self-professed ideology. With promise of strong action against Pakistan during election rallies, Modi was deviating from the thinking of even Atal Bihari Vajpayee, whose political DNA made him evade confrontation in dealing with Pakistan. Kargil was forced on him. Vajpayee’s magnanimity was mistaken as weakness. During NDA I, there were differences between home minister L K Advani, foreign minister Jaswant Singh, defence minister George Fernandes and NSA Brijesh Mishra on Pakistan policy. Advani was overruled many times when he suggested strong action against the country whenever its terror plots were unearthed. The pro-US Mishra was always in favour of indulging Pakistan. Despite strong division within the Cabinet, Jaswant bartered with terrorists and accompanied them to Afghanistan to bring back a hijacked Indian Airlines plane in December 1999.

During the UPA’s rule, from PM Manmohan Singh to defence minister A K Antony, not one leader favoured an eye-for-an-eye approach towards Pakistan. Home minister Shivraj Patil, Antony {why is P.Chidambaram not in this list? One still remembers his confidence that TSP would give voice samples within two weeks!}and foreign ministers like S M Krishna, Natwar Singh and Salman Khurshid followed the diktat from the PMO or NSA Shiv Shankar Menon. The regime was habitually receptive to guidance from the US. Starting from 1950, none of the over three dozen defence, external affairs and home ministers had ever spoken—until now—in one voice on a decisive Pakistan policy. From Nehru to Manmohan, it was the acceptability among the classes and not the masses that dictated India’s response to its belligerent neighbour. All our leaders were influenced by non-state players of India or Pakistan while taking the final call. Modi has so far resisted all external pressures, which have tried to influence his strategic and diplomatic initiatives. The Modi-fied command and response mechanism has sent a clear message. The PM is convinced that any “strategy without tactics is the shortest route to victory”. Sun Tzu would agree.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2015 12:31

^^^
“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 06 Jan 2015 16:19

Modern wife, Talibani politics: Imran Khan faces the price of his hypocrisy

Rumours of Khan’s nikaah had broken out a few days ago. But Imran had resorted to some cute wordplay to neither accept nor deny. “The reports of my marriage are greatly exaggerated,” Imran had argued on the social media. Only a great exponent of the art of swinging it both ways can claim that news of a wedding – which either happened or not --can be exaggerated or understated. After days of strategic silence, coy smiles, and demure denials, however, Imran has finally accepted that he has indeed remarried. His second wife Reham Khan, a former BBC weather woman born to Pakistani parents in Libya, is a divorced mother of three.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jan 2015 16:27

Rajdeep wrote:Modern wife, Talibani politics: Imran Khan faces the price of his hypocrisy

Rumours of Khan’s nikaah had broken out a few days ago. But Imran had resorted to some cute wordplay to neither accept nor deny. “The reports of my marriage are greatly exaggerated,” Imran had argued on the social media. Only a great exponent of the art of swinging it both ways can claim that news of a wedding – which either happened or not --can be exaggerated or understated. After days of strategic silence, coy smiles, and demure denials, however, Imran has finally accepted that he has indeed remarried. His second wife Reham Khan, a former BBC weather woman born to Pakistani parents in Libya, is a divorced mother of three.

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Gair muslim se shaadi karna bilkul na mumkin hain...

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 06 Jan 2015 17:30

We should build safe underground bunkers for both government and civilians across IB and LOC in large numbers and equip BSF with small highly mobile artillery and weapons locating radars. This needs to be done on a war footing and completed within 2015 itself. Once it is done, we should regularly target across IB and LoC upto a radius of 25 kms (so that outskirts of Lahore fall into the range). Best way to bleed Pukis to death is to do a Reagan on them. With their economy in doldrums forcing them to spend even more and more on their military is the sure way to help them disintegrate. Keep the plate boiling across the border on Puki's side while ensuring that we have no civilian or military causalities.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jan 2015 18:14

Imran Khan is the guy who made Jemima Goldsmith wear a burqa. This woman too will wear one and al vil be vel

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Jan 2015 19:21

SSJi, not sure I get what Prabhu Chawla means when he says: "The PM is convinced that any “strategy without tactics is the shortest route to victory”. Did he mean to say defeat instead of victory? Or else that sentence doesn't read very well. But then again, I am no grammar expert, I only go by how a sentence sounds grammatically and semantically

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pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 06 Jan 2015 19:26

Chaawal babu seems to be very liberal with the butter in this case. Why did he not say so during the UPA regime, abt the US dictation to the top Indian leadership?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 06 Jan 2015 19:42

DoCJi, has DDM started going berserk celebrating that Imran Khan's wedding with all the latest tit-bits?

pankajsJi, I don't know about Prabhu Chawla's motivation, but if what he is saying is true, it is welcome change. And I will give it some time to see if they have succeeded in making TSP behave. Moreover, and I don't know how ModiJi can do this if at all, but we need a bit more substantive nationalism in the media. Not the shouting imbeciles, but counter atacks to the likes of Thappad, Turdesai, Praveen Swami, UnDy etc. They are poison. Their line of questioning BJP shows their ideological bias.

arun · Post by **arun** » 06 Jan 2015 20:10

X Posted from the "ISI - History and Discussions" thread.

Khalistani terrorist holding a Pakistani passport arrested in Pattaya, Thailand at the home of a Pakistani National believed to be an agent of the terrorist fomenting intelligence arm of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate aka ISI aka ISID.

The Khalistani Terrorist is one Jagtar Singh alias Tara Singh alias Gurmeet Singh who escaped from Indian custody while serving time for the killing of Punjab CM Beant Singh and fled to the Islamic Republic for shelter:

Fugitive Indian terrorist captured in Pattaya : Wanted for 1995 Indian bombing that killed 18

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 06 Jan 2015 20:16

A_Gupta wrote:^^^
“Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.”

It's also really useful to know what game you're playing before you devise a strategy

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jan 2015 20:29

CRamS wrote:DoCJi, has DDM started going berserk celebrating that Imran Khan's wedding with all the latest tit-bits?

CRamS - pardon my getting personal here - but you seem to belong to a generation that believes that news media are in the business of peddling news. Given the choice people will watch soft p.orn or titillation over news. That is why news portals provide entertainment about society, sex and scandals. Sometimes sport. You also watch too much NDTV.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 06 Jan 2015 20:52

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 26867.html

10,000 flee homes as Pak targets villages with heavy mortar firing

Jammu, January 6

Pakistani troops targeted over 60 hamlets and scores of border posts in heavy overnight shelling in Kathua and Samba districts, with mortar bombs landing deep inside Indian territory.

Nearly 10,000 people have fled border villages after the latest round of ceasefire violations by Pakistan which has left four jawans and a woman dead since New Year Eve while five Pakistani Rangers were killed in retaliatory firing by India.

Fifty villages and many border posts were targeted in Kathua up to 11pm on Monday and the shelling resumed around 4 am on Tuesday, Deputy Commissioner Kathua Shahid Iqbal Choudhary told PTI, adding it was so strong that mortar shells landed about 4 km inside Indian territory.

The 82mm mortar shells landed in Sherpur, Chakra, Lachipur and Londi areas of Hiranagar sector, which are located deep inside Indian territory, he said.

BSF troops also retaliated, resulting in exchanges till 7 am, the DC said.

However, there was no loss of life or injury to anyone among civilians in the firing and shelling since last night, officials said.

In Samba, Pakistani shelling continued till 10.30 pm on Monday night, targeting 10-12 villages and several BoPs, Samba SSP Anil Magotra said.

Nearly 10,000 people have so far migrated from border villages, with 7,500 taking shelter in camps set up by the government in safer areas in Kathua and Samba districts.

On Monday, Pakistani Rangers heavily shelled over 70 border hamlets and 40 BoPs all along the IB in Samba and Kathua districts, resulting in the death of BSF constable Devinder Singh at Khwara BoP in Samba district.

On January 3, two army jawans and a woman were killed while 11 people were injured in firing by Pakistani troops.

On New Year Eve, Pakistani firing had left two persons dead, including a BSF jawan, and nine injured.

The renewed ceasefire violations come barely two months after the last major escalation that left 13 people dead and displaced 32,000 border residents in August and October.

Over 550 incidents of ceasefire violations by Pakistan occurred in 2014, the highest since the truce came into force in 2003. A total of 19 people, including 5 jawans, were killed and over 150 injured in such incidents last year. PTI

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 06 Jan 2015 21:39

Pakistan is very capable at producing Internally Displaced People in Pakistan, in Afghanistan and in India.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Jan 2015 21:45

Frustration speaking of the PA.. they are running out of options, looks like.

#1. Attacking BSF - got it back in spades - twice
#2. Attacking IA - got it back in spades
#3. Terror attack via naval approach - didnt work out; will try to escalate that
#4. Make life miserable for civilians via shelling - i daresay the PA will get hit much much more now since people would have already moced from Indian side.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 06 Jan 2015 21:56

No curry lunger for Pakistan!

No Kerry-Lugar fund for Pakistan since 2013: US

The offer that wasn't: How Pak FM bungled up on 'US aid'

The US has completely denied there is an aid package coming. In fact, sources said they were bewildered by the number — $532 million.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 06 Jan 2015 23:46

SBajwa wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu- ... 26867.html

10,000 flee homes as Pak targets villages with heavy mortar firing

Jammu, January 6

Pakistani troops targeted over 60 hamlets and scores of border posts in heavy overnight shelling in Kathua and Samba districts, with mortar bombs landing deep inside Indian territory.

Nearly 10,000 people have fled border villages after the latest round of ceasefire violations by Pakistan which has left four jawans and a woman dead since New Year Eve while five Pakistani Rangers were killed in retaliatory firing by India.

Fifty villages and many border posts were targeted in Kathua up to 11pm on Monday and the shelling resumed around 4 am on Tuesday, Deputy Commissioner Kathua Shahid Iqbal Choudhary told PTI, adding it was so strong that mortar shells landed about 4 km inside Indian territory.

The 82mm mortar shells landed in Sherpur, Chakra, Lachipur and Londi areas of Hiranagar sector, which are located deep inside Indian territory, he said.

BSF troops also retaliated, resulting in exchanges till 7 am, the DC said.

However, there was no loss of life or injury to anyone among civilians in the firing and shelling since last night, officials said.

In Samba, Pakistani shelling continued till 10.30 pm on Monday night, targeting 10-12 villages and several BoPs, Samba SSP Anil Magotra said.

Nearly 10,000 people have so far migrated from border villages, with 7,500 taking shelter in camps set up by the government in safer areas in Kathua and Samba districts.

On Monday, Pakistani Rangers heavily shelled over 70 border hamlets and 40 BoPs all along the IB in Samba and Kathua districts, resulting in the death of BSF constable Devinder Singh at Khwara BoP in Samba district.

On January 3, two army jawans and a woman were killed while 11 people were injured in firing by Pakistani troops.

On New Year Eve, Pakistani firing had left two persons dead, including a BSF jawan, and nine injured.

The renewed ceasefire violations come barely two months after the last major escalation that left 13 people dead and displaced 32,000 border residents in August and October.

Over 550 incidents of ceasefire violations by Pakistan occurred in 2014, the highest since the truce came into force in 2003. A total of 19 people, including 5 jawans, were killed and over 150 injured in such incidents last year. PTI

SBajwa Ji & Forum Gurus :

May be this if farfetched, but, I think it is the USA's plan to aid Pakistan's efforts to "Internationalize" the Kashmir conflict by having India pemit the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan to have a Peacekeeping Force - ofcourse USA Controled - stationed along the LOC.

Any Thoughts-Opinions please.
Cheers

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 07 Jan 2015 00:34

No country would touch that idea with a pair of tongs.. not at a hot border to whit.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 07 Jan 2015 00:58

IMHO! It is just the frustration of Piglets after their Peshawar and nothing done in India by "Good Talibs". This is their last resort., unless one of their sleeper cells in India do something in next 3 weeks (closest to ombaba's visit possible the best bang for their buck)!

also Since Obama is visiting india in another 3 weeks this will get international news! They are trying what ever they could!!

1. Empty the border villages (Mody and Parrikar are already doing that with the shelters created for these villagers)
2. Increase surveillance with everything (temporary and permanent cameras and drones)
3. Tit for Tat reply in each sector.

Then when ombaba is gone we should up the ante!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Jan 2015 01:12

Nahi Nahi Abhi Nahi, Abhi Karo Thorra Intzaar
Obama Ko Janne Dho,Phir Dekho Teekhi Dhaar !

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 07 Jan 2015 01:27

Tit for tat reply is not enough, we need to hammer them harder each time and over a period wean them of this habit of firing at India.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 07 Jan 2015 02:12

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/govern ... 27088.html

Need more men to seal border: BSF

Jupinderjit Singh

Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, January 6
The vigil by the Border Security Force (BSF) along the Indo-Pak border is at the centre of a political tug-of-war over drug smuggling between the Akalis and the BJP.

The SAD sought complete sealing of the international border during its dharna-cum-awareness rallies near the border yesterday. Akali leaders claimed that international peddlers were using the state as a transit point for smuggling drugs.

However to seal the 552-km-long border, the BSF would require five times more budget, 1,100 additional men, 36 more thermal imaging cameras, over 500 unattended ground sensors, besides laser wall over the 50 km of riverbed and water channels. A BSF officer said: “It is impossible for any country to completely seal its international border. India has still managed to fence most of the border, barring the riverbeds and water channels. We need more men and technical support to ensure foolproof security.”

He claimed despite the shortage of men and equipment, the BSF was on high alert which was evident from over 350 kg of heroin seizure last year. The BSF has at present about three battalions, consisting of about 1,550 jawans. It would need at least 1,000 more jawans or two battalions to ensure maximum security along the border.

The BSF is already planning to erect a laser wall on the riverbeds. The BSF, Jammu frontier, has made this demand for use along the Indo-Pak border in Jammu. The BSF in Punjab has also made a similar demand. The BSF needs a paved road along the fence for patrolling. “We try to have a paved road wherever possible as the movement of men and vehicles becomes difficult during the rainy season. All these factors are not known to those who question us,” he added.

Mammoth task

To cover every inch of the 552-km-long border, the BSF requires five times more budget, 1,100 more men, 36 thermal imaging cameras, over 500 unattended ground sensors, besides a laser wall over the 50 km of water bodies

‘Doing good job despite limitations’

Despite the shortage of men and equipment, the BSF has done a good job which is evident from over 350 kg of heroin seizure last year. — An officer of the Border Security Force

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 07 Jan 2015 02:17

Dipankar,

The world press will be visiting with Ombaba and we do not need increase tit for tat rather keep it at a status quo., 2 weeks after Ombaba is gone massively up the ante.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 02:23

AOA watch the depiction of Pakistan on this spoof

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Jan 2015 02:25

Peregrine, the UNMOGIP has been sent packing out of New Delhi back in july...they are little more than a f@rt in a hurricane at this point.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... hi-office/

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Jan 2015 02:28

Tuvaluan wrote:Peregrine, the UNMOGIP has been sent packing out of New Delhi back in july...they are little more than a f@rt in a hurricane at this point.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... hi-office/

Were asked to. Only out of free accomodation in delhi. send them to ladakh in a tent and feed only imported yak butter (no brsad, we like extra cholestrol for cold weather).

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Jan 2015 02:38

Shreeman saar,

“We have said that as far as we are concerned, the UNMOGIP has outlived its relevance. This is a consistent stance that we have articulated on several occasions,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said.

As of May, UNMOGIP has 40 military observers, 23 international civilian personnel and 45 local civilian staff. The observer group is financed by the UN regular budget and appropriations for biennium 2014-2015 are $19.64 million.

Not sure what these 45 UN jokers in India can do on the LoC -- probably are chained to some bedpost and fed BS for dinner every night.

quote from:
http://www.niticentral.com/2014/07/12/u ... 33205.html

Never quite understood why the Indian govt. claims UN resolutions are not relevant and still lets this group to hang around in India. The primary purpose of this group is to keep the UN resolutions under life support it appears.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 07 Jan 2015 03:24

Question to those in the know.
1) Does IA exchange fire along IB or is the firing only along the LOC?
2) Why does IA not open up with firings on multiple fronts along IB? i.e. force TSPA to expend men and materials along IB to fortify their positions to protect their bacon.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 03:45

Najam Sethi's chaddi in a twist

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Jan 2015 03:48

Where is Lt. Gen. Vij these dins I wonder.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Jan 2015 05:47

SBajwa wrote:Dipankar,

The world press will be visiting with Ombaba and we do not need increase tit for tat rather keep it at a status quo., 2 weeks after Ombaba is gone massively up the ante.

+1

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 07 Jan 2015 05:52

Karan M wrote:Frustration speaking of the PA.. they are running out of options, looks like.

#1. Attacking BSF - got it back in spades - twice
#2. Attacking IA - got it back in spades
#3. Terror attack via naval approach - didnt work out; will try to escalate that
#4. Make life miserable for civilians via shelling - i daresay the PA will get hit much much more now since people would have already moced from Indian side.

Any idea of ranges for deployed arty? We need to keep our reach very long to prevent counter fire