Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 12 Dec 2014

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 07 Jan 2015 05:59

Are members of UNMOGIP mushrooms?

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Jan 2015 06:16

Tuvaluan wrote:Shreeman saar,

“We have said that as far as we are concerned, the UNMOGIP has outlived its relevance. This is a consistent stance that we have articulated on several occasions,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said.

As of May, UNMOGIP has 40 military observers, 23 international civilian personnel and 45 local civilian staff. The observer group is financed by the UN regular budget and appropriations for biennium 2014-2015 are $19.64 million.
Not sure what these 45 UN jokers in India can do on the LoC -- probably are chained to some bedpost and fed BS for dinner every night.

quote from:
http://www.niticentral.com/2014/07/12/u ... 33205.html

Never quite understood why the Indian govt. claims UN resolutions are not relevant and still lets this group to hang around in India. The primary purpose of this group is to keep the UN resolutions under life support it appears.

It ij like piece keeping forses, the pay is good. sort of tourijm now. House rent, food, domestic workers, drivers. Some of the $10+M is spent on this side. Even salaries have to be spent on eating.

On a serious note, it is just historic baggaje. They should be house among the tibetan refugees or in the pandit colonies and restricted from talking to anyone else except via pigeon.

aditya · Post by **aditya** » 07 Jan 2015 08:17

UlanBatori wrote:Where is Lt. Gen. Vij these dins I wonder.

Unfortunately, Lt. Gen. Kapil Vij passed away in 2010.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 08:53

Pakis want to do some terror in India.
It is unlikely to be anything that even vaguely touches Ombaba or any massa person.

But they want to hurt Modi.
So they'll go and try to target anything that is considered close to Modi.

All the Pakis in the media are scared shitless of modi coming into power. Even Mushy is crying hoarse - WTF does it ever matter to him who's India's PM hain ji? But no, these bums all are scared of Modi, because they sense that the long due thappad that they've always worried is coming their way, and cried wolf about, might actually be delivered to them.

Like the Pravasi Bharatiya divas in Gujarat, and so on...

member_28640 · Post by **member_28640** » 07 Jan 2015 12:31

Rajnath Singh's Interview.. This guy is clear about Pakistan and how to deal with them..
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... picks=true

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Jan 2015 12:43

see his answers about congi allegations, if it was a congress minister he would have surely bad mouthed BJP as much as possible

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Jan 2015 13:21

If the Tribune,a piece from the "other side".Good advice that needs to be first practiced by the Pakis!.As the saying goes,"what goes around comes around",and with the new dispensation,it will be done with a vengeance!

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 26997.html

Posted at: Jan 7 2015
India-Pak: Stop waging war in the shadows
Munir Akram
A quick viewing of a Facebook video of a recent lecture delivered by Ajit Doval, India’s ex-spymaster and now the national security adviser, should set all doubts about India’s clandestine wars at rest.
India-Pak: Stop waging war in the shadows

India’s shadow wars, according to Pakistan’s perception, actually began in 1971

ALL people of goodwill desire peace between Pakistan and India. Given their historical animosities, a close relationship is probably unachievable in the foreseeable future. But a “cold” peace, which does not eliminate their fundamental differences but enables coexistence and cooperation, is possible.
Unfortunately, even such a “cold” peace is unlikely to be realised so long as India and Pakistan continue to wage their wars in the shadows.
A lot has been written and said about Pakistan’s support to insurgencies in Afghanistan and Kashmir. Not much has appeared about India’s longer and wider role in clandestine warfare against its neighbours, Sri Lanka, Nepal and particularly Pakistan. A quick viewing of a Facebook video of a recent lecture delivered by Ajit Doval, India’s ex-spymaster and now the national security adviser, should set all doubts about India’s clandestine wars at rest. Mr Doval calls Pakistan the “enemy”; extols Indian intelligence’s ability to compromise and infiltrate the Kashmir insurgency; crows about the beheading of Pakistani soldiers by the TTP and advocates a policy of “defensive offense” against Pakistan.
Pakistan will have to defeat India’s secret war against Pakistan if it is to defeat the TTP.
Actually, India’s shadow wars against Pakistan commenced in 1971 when it actively trained and financed the Mukti Bahini to fight the Pakistan Army in East Pakistan, laying the ground for India’s eventual military intervention to break up Pakistan. Even after the Simla Agreement, bomb blasts continued in Karachi and other Pakistani cities to keep Pakistan destabilised and defensive. New Delhi has missed no opportunity to support Baloch, Pakhtun and Sindhi “nationalists” and other dissidents in Pakistan.
Indira Gandhi’s attack on Amritsar’s Golden Temple created an opportunity for Pakistan to pay India back in its own coin. But its support for the Khalistan insurgency was also a “defensive offensive” move to neutralise the threat of an Indian attack at the behest of its Soviet ally which Pakistan, in collaboration with the US, had pinned down in Afghanistan. India’s “warrior” prime minister was assassinated by her Sikh guards. Eventually, after president Zia’s demise, the Khalistan insurgency was brutally put down by India. There is considerable speculation to this day whether the incoming PPP government released a list of Sikh insurgents to the Indians.
Even as the Khalistan insurgency died, Pakistan was offered its own “opportunity of the century” — as the East Pakistan revolt was called by the Indians — to secure self-determination for the Kashmiris. In December 1989, the Kashmiris revolted at the rigged elections there. On December 20, hundreds of peaceful Kashmiri demonstrators were mowed down by Indian security forces, unleashing an armed struggle for freedom. Pakistan’s intelligence agencies, fresh from their success in backing the mujahideen in Afghanistan, opted to support the religious parties, instead of the indigenous Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, to lead the Kashmiri struggle.
Under the pressure of the insurgency, India agreed in 1994 to discuss a Kashmir settlement with Pakistan. India’s Foreign Secretary offered a settlement based on “autonomy plus, independence minus” for occupied Kashmir. Unfortunately, Pakistan was not quick enough to press its advantage and secure a good deal for the Kashmiris. India used the time to infiltrate and compromise the insurgency (as Mr Doval boasted). Some jihadi groups, like Al Faran, resorted to kidnapping and killing foreigners. This was the initial step in India’s campaign to transform the Kashmiri struggle from a legitimate liberation struggle into a terrorist movement.
When the US, after 9/11, launched its war on terrorism, India’s principal aim became to equate the Kashmiri struggle with global terrorism and Al Qaida. New Delhi got its chance when “terrorists” attacked the Indian parliament in December 2001. Despite the fact that Pakistan’s culpability was unproven, a commitment was extracted from president Musharraf’s government that Pakistan would not allow its territory to be used for ‘terrorism’ against others. Acceptance of this ‘obligation’ was interpreted as an admission of Pakistan’s culpability. The Kashmiri struggle was over for all intents and purposes.
When Pakistan, under US pressure, attempted to curtail support to the Kashmiri jihadi groups, some of them — who had developed connections with Al Qaida and the Afghan Taliban — turned on their Pakistani patrons. Hence the two attempts on the life of former president Musharraf. However, some groups, like the Lashkar-e-Taiba, although outlawed and aggrieved with the government, refrained from attacking the Army or Pakistani targets and maintained their focus on India. They demonstrated their extensive capabilities in the Mumbai terrorist attack.
India, for its part, had already unleashed its so-called “defensive offence” policy against Pakistan. Under the auspices of the Afghan intelligence directorate, headed by a member of the Northern Alliance, with which India had developed close relations during the civil war against Mullah Omar’s Taliban, India set up bases (in the guise of consulates) close to the Afghan-Pakistan border to sponsor and support the Balochistan Liberation Army.
When the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) emerged from the embers of the Red Mosque operation, Afghan and Indian intelligence were quick to seize the opportunity to infiltrate and utilise some of its elements, particularly Baitullah Mehsud’s kin, against Pakistan and its armed forces. This has been openly admitted by Afghan intelligence. As Doval noted, there have been 40,000 Pakistani casualties attributed to the TTP’s acts of terrorism.
The situation in Balochistan and Fata became murkier due to rumours about the sponsorship of the anti-Iran Jundullah by certain Western agencies and the spate of recent attacks against China by the East Turkmenistan Independence Movement (ETIM), which was co-located with the TTP and other terrorist groups in North Waziristan and adjacent areas of Afghanistan.
Thus, for Pakistan, the Zarb-e-Azb operation against the TTP and its associates became an imperative, first and foremost, to protect the homeland, but also to prevent damage to its strategic relationship with China. It may be an added bonus that this campaign, which has also damaged all other militant groups in North Waziristan, has had a beneficial effect on Pakistan’s relations with the US and Afghanistan.
However, Pakistan will have to defeat India’s secret war against Pakistan if it is to defeat the TTP. It is difficult to expect a change in Indian policy while people like Mr Doval are in charge.
The key to defeating India’s designs is to secure the full confidence and cooperation of the Afghan government and utilise the influence of China, America and Russia to isolate and attack the TTP and its associated groups, especially Al Qaida and ETIM, and deny India the bases and facilities to operate against Pakistan from Afghan territory.
It is only when the wars in the shadows are terminated that conditions may emerge for some form of normalisation between Pakistan and India.
By arrangement with the Dawn. The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN.

Fond hopes!

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 07 Jan 2015 13:31

SBajwa wrote:Dipankar,

The world press will be visiting with Ombaba and we do not need increase tit for tat rather keep it at a status quo., 2 weeks after Ombaba is gone massively up the ante.

Sir, we waited for J & K elections to be over, now we wait for Obama to come and go. I am of the opinion if you are looking for overt military escalation, we might as well wait for budget 2015, 2016, 2017,2018,2019....

We just won't go the military way. Most probably, a press conference will inform us of some news and jingos like me will be happy and the def journalist will cry Pakistan, O! Pakistan.

We are worried sick of world press and desi press who are like a pack of dingos baying for our blood, how will we ever dare to take military actions? Military action before or after Obama will attract terrible world press.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 07 Jan 2015 13:32

Cosmo_R wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Dipankar,

The world press will be visiting with Ombaba and we do not need increase tit for tat rather keep it at a status quo., 2 weeks after Ombaba is gone massively up the ante.
+1

The world press will not give us good behaviour certificate otherwise.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 07 Jan 2015 14:00

I have a feeling that India will not hesitate from taking some action coinciding with the OmBaba's visit.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 07 Jan 2015 16:15

http://www.brecorder.com/editorials/0:/ ... 2015-01-07

The recent International Monetary Fund staff review of the fourth and fifth tranches under the Extended Fund Facility notes that circular debt is 2 percent of Gross Domestic Product.

What is circular debt? From http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_circular_debt

Circular debt relates to subsidies which the government in Pakistan is providing to the electricity consumers. By not collecting the bills KESC does not have the funds too pay its oil supplier , which could be PSO which in turn does not have the funds to pay its supplier, National Refinery say and then National Refinery does not have the funds to pay for imported oil. A better name is incorporate debt.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 07 Jan 2015 17:00

From Yawn.com

They do publish such cogent, in-depth anal-e-cess!

Nothing like sdre PLAveen swarmee garbage.

xxxxxxxxx
about 10 hours ago

Dear Sir: Asalam u aleikum. This firing by India on innocent Pakistani Rangers and Army is most reprehensible. United Nations must pass Resolution against aggressor India. It is becoming too risky for pilgrims to go across LOC and IB into India. Even my cousin Rafeeq bin Salem of Muzzafarabad was killed last week and his headless body was found floating in Sutlej river after he had gone across LOC with his favourite, trusted AK-47. His pet goat Ayesha also died after Rafeeq's classmate Mushtaq tried to console her in private behind the tool shed. This is very shameful for Pakistan's Honor and Dignity and Sovirginity. Our herrowic Army and our brave government should please take prompt action against the Indians. Thank you. May Allah The Merciful bless you!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 07 Jan 2015 17:02

Sovirginity , ,

I was under the impression that the correct term was Sau-virginity! Just checked and while Sovirginity is from the BRF dict I think Sau-virginity better describes the situation.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 07 Jan 2015 18:57

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Jan 2015 19:36

The video by Doval was a while back right at Sastra university? Pakis are latching on to that, as also Chuck Hagel's statement. And it is consistent around all RAPE talk. Amazing how they can ignore the avalanche of American voice on TSP terror, but will latch on to a fe dog bones.

Very good interview that Rajnath Singh gave except for the last part on TSP's Samjautha allegation. He did say the right thing by saying no terrorist will be spared in India, but he could pointed to UN and US dept of treasury's case that Samjautha was done by pigLeTs.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Jan 2015 19:42

kenop wrote:I have a feeling that India will not hesitate from taking some action coinciding with the OmBaba's visit.

The other day, gen Hasnian was saying that there is really no military objective behind TSP's upping the ante. I tend to concur. My feeling is that TSP is exploiting India's political fault lines. They are working on the thesis that as they keep the LoC hot, kill Indian soldiers and civilians, they can then count on Cong and their mouthpieces, and millions of PK lovers in in India to attack ModiJi and humiliate him and Doval. They then hope that to counter that, India will be more aggressive, and eventual a war like situation which suits TSP just fine: it will be equal equal galore, and India will climb down and resume p!ss process. I think this is their calculation.

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 07 Jan 2015 19:46

Why is the whining by WKKs a humiliation to Modi or Doval?

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 07 Jan 2015 19:52

India-Pak: Stop waging war in the shadows
Munir Akram

Munir Bakram has moved on from beating up girlfriends to deep strategeric anal-e-cyst.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Jan 2015 19:58

saravana wrote:Why is the whining by WKKs a humiliation to Modi or Doval?

No humiliation, but just pointing out TSP strategy.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 07 Jan 2015 20:00

Warning:- Graphic.

Shahbaz Taseer held captive by #TTP. (5/5)

. pic.twitter.com/x99J8Wlkuc

https://twitter.com/Klaashinkof
http://exposenow.blogspot.in/2013/12/sh ... ly-on.html
Why so much torture to Shahbaz Taseer ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jan 2015 20:04

Does anybody have an idea of this 'Former R&AW official' Rana Bannerjee?

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 07 Jan 2015 20:33

^ May be this?
http://www.idsa.in/profile/rbanerji

vijaykarthik · Post by **vijaykarthik** » 07 Jan 2015 20:36

And see the response to the comment from YAWN.

LOL

"
mushtaq

about 2 hours ago

@Abdul Enqyoob Faisalabadi, pliss not discuss private parts in peoples.
•Mushtaq (Friend of late brother Rafeeq)
"

BRF member, surely?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 20:44

Congenital Bhikaris (Beggers) salivating at new years, expecting new gifts from tarrel than oceans four-father

In the spirit of sharing,
Pakistan's gift to deepel than mountain fiend

A tluly win-whine luvv istory

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 20:50

Abdul enquyoob faislabadi's legend lives on in cyberspace

Why did Rehman take ayesha to the 'tool' shed hain ji?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Jan 2015 20:57

link - Chinese in ISIL ranks.

Wu Sike, China’s special envoy to the Middle East, has previously stated than an estimated 100 Chinese citizens may be fighting for the Islamic State.
..
Yin Gang, a West Asian and African Studies scholar at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, estimated that hundreds of Chinese nationals have been fighting for the Islamic State.
..
previously sought to join al-Qaeda in Afghanistan but as the nation became politically more stable, they are now entering Iraq and Syria to join the Islamic State, because the region is “the paradise of Jihadists”.

Note the word al-Qaeda, now based in land of pure.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 07 Jan 2015 20:59

CRamS wrote:
kenop wrote:I have a feeling that India will not hesitate from taking some action coinciding with the OmBaba's visit.
The other day, gen Hasnian was saying that there is really no military objective behind TSP's upping the ante. I tend to concur. My feeling is that TSP is exploiting India's political fault lines. They are working on the thesis that as they keep the LoC hot, kill Indian soldiers and civilians, they can then count on Cong and their mouthpieces, and millions of PK lovers in in India to attack ModiJi and humiliate him and Doval. They then hope that to counter that, India will be more aggressive, and eventual a war like situation which suits TSP just fine: it will be equal equal galore, and India will climb down and resume p!ss process. I think this is their calculation.

They can have as many b**ches whine in India. Doesn't do a thing to IA firing twice as much.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:00

India TV's Sheetal gives it to the Pakis...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:04

And...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:09

More...

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 07 Jan 2015 21:12

Gagan wrote:India TV's Sheetal gives it to the Pakis...
[youtube=>>]M-KeXPJYWx4[/<<=youtube]

[youtube=>>]iZDk7nD5vQ0[<<=/youtube]

The first video has pakis doing == with China. These people will go on with their terrorism plans no matter what happens since something or other will occur on some border. Terrorist scum trying to act normal.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:13

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:18

Pakistan 101: simplified in 5 mins

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 07 Jan 2015 21:19

SSridhar wrote:Does anybody have an idea of this 'Former R&AW official' Rana Bannerjee?

how did his name crop up ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:24

Lo ji lo,
Pakistanis now want something like TADA...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:30

Yazeed == Sunni

Yazeed was the Amir-ul-momeen of the arab muslims against whom Imam Hussein revolted against / refused to pay allegiance to

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:51

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:53

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 07 Jan 2015 21:58

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 07 Jan 2015 22:04

Cosmo_R wrote:
SBajwa wrote:Dipankar,

The world press will be visiting with Ombaba and we do not need increase tit for tat rather keep it at a status quo., 2 weeks after Ombaba is gone massively up the ante.
+1

-1. Do what is right, regardless of who is visiting and when.