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Basically India is the test bed for launching attacks in the West. So in that sense, India is likely to learn lessons at a higher cost. The CISF et al installed security protocols in airports since 80s the West started only after 9-11 and became serious in Europe only after the shoe bomber. So we need to accept that our security establishment has it tougher, given the inimical attitude that media and civil society have against anti-terror operations.
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there is something called the Organized Crime Cabal, google it. It's a new name for an old entity. There are various theories on what are it's constituents. Just to give an idea.
What exactly is this large Worldwide Organized Crime Cabal (OCC)?

3d230d44The OCC is comprised of three main divisions. The first is the International Zionist crime Syndicate (IZCS), an expanded form of the Meyer Lanski Crime Syndicate, which served as an action-agent for Israel and the City of London Rothschild (RA-shield) World Zionists (WZs) whose power stemmed from the fiat money of the “Central Banksters”.

The Lanski Organized Crime Syndicate absorbed the Italian Cosa Nostra and was the action-agent of the Rothschild-founded World Zionists operating out the City of London private fiat Banking System and Israel, empowered financially by the Federal Reserve System, the world’s largest fiat counterfeiter.

The second component is the Bush Crime Cabal (BCC), which gained initial power under Prescott Bush (aka, Prescott Scherf), and grew in power over the last 50 years after it assassinated JFK, RFK and MLK and hijacked about 50% of the CIA and a large portion of the US Military.

The IZCS and the BCC became joined at the hip and together have embedded many agents and/or assets in high US government offices and have solidified control over most members of Congress, the US Department of State and the US Department of Justice. Only the US Military now remains independent for the most part, except for a certain sector owned and controlled by the OCC.

The third component of the OCC are the independent crime syndicates, occult networks which include the Temple of Set, the Satanic Church of the Process of the Final Solution (MI-6); High Freemasonry groups interlinked, while some are linked to NATO and Gladio false-flag terror, such as Propaganda Duis (P2), and various large industries, including aspects of Big Pharma, some large international defense contractors; and all drug cartels, many of which are joint ventures with the CIA, the DEA and the Mossad, as well as other Intel agencies around the world.

Any large corporate group or criminal venture that has a great deal of money can buy or bribe representation at the USG roundtable of two-faced criminals via the 70,000 K Street lobbyists. Many lobbying funds are provided in secret to members of Congress and other USG officials in numbered offshore accounts, called “set-aside allocations”.
Sixty-eight different Nations attended the Counterterrorism Conference and 35 Nations had Official Representation at the conference.

The content of Gordon Duff’s and Colonel Jim Hanke’s speeches, as well as the interviews by Jim Dean and Mike Harris, were quickly transmitted to almost every top leader around the world.

For the first time in history numerous acts of Terrorism from around the World were identified and ascribed to a large Organized Crime syndicate.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/13 ... the-world/
Duff also identified American Generals McInerney and Vallely as being involved in organizing Daisch along with Senator John McCain.
He also pointed out that Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel [who has just resigned] was the one that prevented the American bombing of Syria in response to the False-Flag gas attack at Aleppo, Syria.
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Woah..."International Zionist Crime Syndicate" and "Bush Crime Syndicate" it seems. Seems like a tin-foil hat conspiracy from the fertile imagination of some white christian supremacist or a jihadi turd or your average mentally disturbed individual who was rectally probed (repeatedly) by Alien overlords from Zartha 47 in the Gamma Quadrant.

Most of the organized crime syndicates all over the world operate independently -- they don't even trust people in their own cabal on pain of death, let alone hook up with competing crime syndicates that would be willing to rat them out to expand market share. A little common sense can go a long way to inoculate against such CT idiocy.
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sheesh any nonsense can be dredged up from the internets
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#BREAKING Five dead, including gunman, in Paris supermarket hostage drama: security source

— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) January 9, 2015

#UPDATE: Four critically wounded in Paris supermarket hostage drama, says security source

— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) January 9, 2015
Supermarket siege > 5 dead + 4 critical
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BREAKING(wind)!!
Mani Shankar Aiyer Explains France Attacks As Reaction to Burkha Ban and American Aggression!

Now THAT's India-EU Anal-e-cess if not news, surely! For the first time in 150 years, France did NOT surrender to the first armed attacker they saw...
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Tuvaluan wrote:A little common sense can go a long way to inoculate against such CT idiocy.
this is good theory. But common sense can not explain everything unless one has historical perspective.

there are a lot of common factors across all terror strikes. One of them is:

1.usually such 'al-qaeda' terror attacks happen in pro-west secular regimes. common sense will say 'al-qaeda' is attacking 'soft targets' or 'pro-west' countries.

but there are other reasons behind this. Such govts are easier to penetrate than more right-wing or hardcore leftist govts. Such attacks always need certain intel level to be compromised. Then again one can understand this only if it is understood why it is important to compromise and penetrate intel organizations to carry out such attacks.

once attacks has happened, only amenable govts can retain cover of masterminds. Some will say this is the most important.
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this is good theory. But common sense can not explain everything unless one has historical perspective.
That's the rub, isn't it? Once you start believing "history" on how the freemasons and illuminati and a couple of other secret societies meet for tea every twenty years to decide how to run things on planet earth, you have already lost it. Once you start with false cr@p as "axioms" from history, you can come to any conclusion you want. I will stop here because I don't want to annoy the illuminati and the servants of cthulhu to know where I am hiding in the interwebs.

one would have to know what to take seriously first before starting anal-e-cess of the universe. Not that it is easy to get this filter working right without knowing how to double check information that one comes across from multiple sources before giving it credibility in one's mind.
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pankajs wrote:
#BREAKING Five dead, including gunman, in Paris supermarket hostage drama: security source

— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) January 9, 2015

#UPDATE: Four critically wounded in Paris supermarket hostage drama, says security source

— Agence France-Presse (@AFP) January 9, 2015
Supermarket siege > 5 dead + 4 critical
Meanwhile the French PM says:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30752239
"Those who committed these acts, these fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim faith."
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Tuvaluan wrote:
this is good theory. But common sense can not explain everything unless one has historical perspective.
That's the rub, isn't it? Once you start believing "history" on how the freemasons and illuminati and a couple of other secret societies meet for tea every twenty years to decide how to run things on planet earth, you have already lost it.
Firstly my reference was to overarching Organized Crime Cabal and not any other group you have mentioned.

there is nothing wrong with common sense, but once your filter avoids certain logic because it has abused keywords involved, then what you have is resultant common sense but evading truth.
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I thought France may end up banning Islam.
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there is nothing wrong with common sense, but once your filter avoids certain logic because it has abused keywords involved, then what you have is resultant common sense but evading truth.
The fact that you believe there is such a thing as "truth" indicates you don't quite get "it" yet. Logic is the just act of parsing all the inputs in a coherent manner and ensuring that it does not jar with reality -- the problem is that the brain works by ignoring patterns and facts that it does not want to consider, if you are already prejudiced about the "truth" of something. Best is to always be sceptical with a willingness to question and replace any and all "facts" you are aware of, and then rework your world view each time, discarding "truths" that are no longer tenable in the face of new information. Many times, the context of a "truth" changes without one's knowledge, so total awareness of the environment that products inputs is required. In the end, "truth" is whatever you decide it is, and then your brain operates on it...get your "truth" wrong and your judgement on how to respond to your reality is the first victim.

Organizations in conspiracy theories are "super efficient" and last for long periods of time, but a look at the lifecycle of organizations in reality indicate that even with a lot funding and ultra-competent people, organizations keep changing over time and their overall goals and alliances keep shifting, depending on the mindset of the people in charge and the fact that even talented people die and have to be replaced. Nothing is static, and it would have to be for organizations to last decades or centuries with vague goals like "world domination"...the tools to dominate change over time at a rapid pace. This is all OT so I will stop here.
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>>the problem is that the brain works by ignoring patterns and facts that it does not want to consider,

true

>> Best is to always be sceptical with a willingness to question and replace any and all "facts" you are aware of,

true

>> then rework your world view each time, discarding "truths" that are no longer tenable in the face of new information.

this is crux of the matter. You are saying different players each time, I am saying same players, different places.

i.e. context changes, rationale & modus of operation remain the same.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... id-kouachi
French authorities were under pressure on Friday to explain how a network of Islamic extremists already known to intelligence services and with possible links overseas was able to carry out the deadly attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo earlier this week and the hostage taking at a kosher supermarket in Paris.

The core of the network was a cell established in 2003 to send volunteers to Iraq to fight alongside an al-Qaida affiliate there which was broken up by police in 2005. Other members met in detention where they were further radicalised by a veteran militant once based in the UK.

Several members had been put under surveillance in 2010 when intelligence services discovered what appeared to be a plot to break out a militant leader from prison. Hayat Boumedienne, 26, the girlfriend of the suspected Hypercacher hostage taker Amédy Coulibaly, 32, was questioned by police in the same year, according to Le Monde newspaper.
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Sacre bleu! Pauvre,petit,M.Hollande. 'e " 'as lost the plot" as zee English say. It is all about Islam. What do these diabolic barbarians die for,committing the most heinous terror acts ever,most often against the innocents? These unspeakable objects do everything in the name of Islam.What was their battle cry at Charlie Hebdo? "Allah o Akbar"!
Their version of Islam might be a perverted dark ages concept of what Islam is ,that may be far from its ideals and code of conduct,but they used it to deliver France's most dangerous terror attack for over half a century.
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"Those who committed these acts, these fanatics, have nothing to do with the Muslim faith."
:rotfl:
Monsieur Hollande has read Koran and Haadiths in Arabic. :roll:
What a moron.
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>> then rework your world view each time, discarding "truths" that are no longer tenable in the face of new information.

this is crux of the matter. You are saying different players each time, I am saying same players, different places.
Last post, habal. Can't be same players unless they are immortal, and read the rest of what I wrote again to see the various consequences of the axiom "Everybody dies sometime".

As for the french dropping the ball on these two terrorists, it is also very likely that the French police fell on the job and failed to nab these mofos at the right time. That is more likely than the Brotherhood of the Burnt Falafel or some other secret group from the 18th century recruiting these jobless criminals to do the job -- they were all radicalized the usual way.
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France’s Multiculturalist Agenda Makes Jews Pack Their Bags
See the contradiction?
How is it multicultural if one community with its own culture is running from mobs within Paris?
As more French Jews face anti-Semitic attacks, many are leaving for Israel. Most of the attacks have come from Muslims, whether immigrants or French-born, many of whom have not assimilated into French society – if not rejecting French society entirely. Compounding the dangerous situation, France’s left-wing government refuses to acknowledge the scope of this crisis, apparently more afraid of losing Muslim votes they depend on than in defending France’s half-million Jews.

Israel’s Ministry of Immigrant Absorption is expecting “Little Paris” neighborhoods to pop up all over Tel Aviv, Netanya, and Jerusalem. According to the Jewish Agency, French Jews have become the number-one immigrant group to Israel. In 2014, more than 7,000 French Jews emigrated, twice the number from 2013. Israeli Minister of Immigrant Absorption Sofa Landver said she expects about 10,000 new French immigrants next year.

That’s an astounding 20,000 French Jews moving to Israel, or four percent of that community emigrating in just three years.

Further, a poll conducted the Paris-based Siona organization of Sephardic French Jews found that 74 percent of the 3,833 respondents are considering leaving France.

It’s more accurate to say that French Jews are fleeing France rather than just moving to Israel. The failure of multiculturalism and the inability of many Muslim immigrants to assimilate into French society have promoted intolerance of Jews.
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Several other incidents occurred last year, including a pro-Palestinian protest attacking Jewish owned stores in Paris, with chants of “gas the Jews” and “kill the Jews.”
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In his New Year’s Eve address, President Francois Hollande stated he intends to fight anti-Semitism and racism in 2015. His address, however, was smoke and mirrors – a platform to attack the Front National. He didn’t reference the growing hatred spewing in Muslim communities. Instead, he asserted that France must not succumb to fear and stay in the Euro zone.

There are no serious plans coming from the left to tackle the crisis on France’s door because they cannot afford to alienate their base of voters. And until Hollande is either voted out or seriously confronts the truth about France’s ethnic and religious tensions, more French Jews will call Israel their new home.
Jews seem to be preferred target to justify something these days in Paris.

Coincidentally, France has the largest Jewish population in Europe and the third largest Jewish population in the world (after Israel and the United States) per wiki link on "History of the Jews in France". See also link, wherein Europe seems to have poor record.

Another one:
'Every single French Jew I know has left Paris': Editor of Britain's Jewish Chronicle claims people are fleeing terror-hit French capital .
Experts believe that more than 100,000 French Jews have left since 2013
Extremely poor human rights record even in France which is amongst liberal countries. Puts a big question mark on who all are exploiting multiculturalism at whose expense.
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+ NPR's Diane Rehm carried an interview with a French journalist who blamed France for failing to assimilate the Muslim immigrants. I'm aware of a number of Indian immigrants from Pondicherry who have settled in France who had no problem assimilating, make a decent living, ever had an urge to ghetto-ize, riot and strike terror. Just an observation.
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EU leaders are walking a tight rope. Muslims are here to stay. They have second and third generation muslims here. Europeans have gine through enough destruction during world wars. They are behaving like pure baniyas who will deny the theft at the business and keep watch on the thieves in future. Two brothers were under survillance for three years. This shows the working of french security system and strength of judicial system........in other world these fundoos would be dispatched in weeks.
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krithivas wrote:+ NPR's Diane Rehm carried an interview with a French journalist who blamed France for failing to assimilate the Muslim immigrants. I'm aware of a number of Indian immigrants from Pondicherry who have settled in France who had no problem assimilating, make a decent living, ever had an urge to ghetto-ize, riot and strike terror. Just an observation.
On side note
Ghetto:low income :special set of problems:not descent living
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America driven social engineering has reduced post world war 2 Europe to make wrong choices and postmodern identity into confused morality. Apang samaj which believes in no existant reality.
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http://www.desicontrarian.com/

Hindus did not resort to violence when Wendy Doniger insults Hindus. Hindus did not resort to violence when M.F. Hussain the Muslim painted nude pictures of Hindu deities. Hindus did not resort to violence when PK the movie insulted Hindus 8 out of 10 times in the movie.

Yet when Hindus use their right of free speech to opine their outrage at these insults, or when they seek the protection of the court, they are called fascists by the liberal left of the world. The fact that the Hindus used only their right of free speech to voice their outrage instead of guns does not impress the political left.

So why are the Hindus not cheer lead by the liberal left of the world for not resorting to violence and called fascists anyway?

I suspect, radical Muslims know the unfairness of the liberal left..so they resort to violence instead when the liberal left insults them!
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Inspite Of Down-Ninger
Construction of a pagan temple to begin in Reykjavík next month
Plans to begin construction of a pagan temple in Öskjuhlíð hill, Reykjavík, have been set in motion. This will be the first pagan temple to be built in the Nordic countries in nearly a thousand years, said the alsherjargoði Hilmar Örn Hilmarsson, head priest of the Icelandic Ásatrúarfélag, in an interview with RÚV. The Ásatrúarfélag applied for a plot of land to construct a temple in 2006 and was allotted a piece of land in Öskuhlíð in 2008. The 350 square metres (3767 sq ft) temple will have a vaulted ceiling and seat around 250 people. Its construction will be completed next year.
The Icelandic Ásatrúarfélag is an Icelandic Germanic Neopagan religious organization founded in 1972. The organization conducts ceremonies such as marriages, name-giving ceremonies, and burials.
According to former high-priest, Jónína K. Berg, ásatrú is a polytheistic belief and its followers “are a part of the earth and not its master
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rsingh wrote:
krithivas wrote:+ NPR's Diane Rehm carried an interview with a French journalist who blamed France for failing to assimilate the Muslim immigrants. I'm aware of a number of Indian immigrants from Pondicherry who have settled in France who had no problem assimilating, make a decent living, ever had an urge to ghetto-ize, riot and strike terror. Just an observation.
On side note
Ghetto:low income :special set of problems:not descent living
I think that onus on assimilation lies with the outsiders and not the permanent residents. As long as the 'intelligentsia' wants the permanent residents to assimilate, there is a flaw. This is true for Europe and India or anywhere else.
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Tuvaluan wrote: As for the french dropping the ball on these two terrorists, it is also very likely that the French police fell on the job and failed to nab these mofos at the right time.
they really fell. That's true.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html

Police commissioner, who had been investigating the attack on the Charlie Hebdo magazine committed suicide with his service gun on Thursday night.
Police commissioner Helric Fredou, who had been investigating the attack on the French weekly satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, committed suicide in his office. The incident occurred in Limoges, the administrative capital of the Limousin region in west-central France, on Thursday night, local media France 3 reports.
Helric Fredou, 45, suffered from depression and experienced burn out. Shortly before committing suicide, he met with the family of a victim of the Charlie Hebdo attack and killed himself preparing the report.
he did a pushkar apparently.

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seems like fake news. only ct sites appear on google search of this name.
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Does anyone else think that the French botched things in the Hebdo affair? Those guys escaped in a car and simply vanished and later even took hostages.
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http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/ger ... 28131.html

German newspaper that printed Charlie Hebdo Prophet cartoons, attacked
Berlin: Less than a week after French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo's office was attacked for its controversial cartoons on Prophet Muhammad, an arson attack was carried out at a printing press in Germany's port town of Hamburg for reprinting the cartoons
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Manny wrote:http://www.desicontrarian.com/

Hindus did not resort to violence when Wendy Doniger insults Hindus. Hindus did not resort to violence when M.F. Hussain the Muslim painted nude pictures of Hindu deities. Hindus did not resort to violence when PK the movie insulted Hindus 8 out of 10 times in the movie.

Yet when Hindus use their right of free speech to opine their outrage at these insults, or when they seek the protection of the court, they are called fascists by the liberal left of the world. The fact that the Hindus used only their right of free speech to voice their outrage instead of guns does not impress the political left.

So why are the Hindus not cheer lead by the liberal left of the world for not resorting to violence and called fascists anyway?

I suspect, radical Muslims know the unfairness of the liberal left..so they resort to violence instead when the liberal left insults them!
I posted a comment
I like your post, but need to question your use of the term “liberal left” which has no meaning in India. The “left” were/are “liberal” in Europe because they were agitating for individual freedom and against the top-down rigid rules of the European Church and monachy. The Indians whom you call “liberal left” are not liberal at all – they seek to impose illiberality. They may be “left” in terms of being communists – but communism is hardly liberal. Hinduism is a liberal way of life and suppressing that and rooting for the restrictions of Islam and Christianity is more akin to “conservatism” than liberalism. The term liberal should not be applied to those who oppose freedom for Hindus.
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shiv wrote:
I posted a comment
I like your post, but need to question your use of the term “liberal left” which has no meaning in India. The “left” were/are “liberal” in Europe because they were agitating for individual freedom and against the top-down rigid rules of the European Church and monachy. The Indians whom you call “liberal left” are not liberal at all – they seek to impose illiberality. They may be “left” in terms of being communists – but communism is hardly liberal. Hinduism is a liberal way of life and suppressing that and rooting for the restrictions of Islam and Christianity is more akin to “conservatism” than liberalism. The term liberal should not be applied to those who oppose freedom for Hindus.

I replaced the phrase “Liberal left” with “political left”. That makes more sense. :)

:)
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My response to the below, doubt it'll get posted but what the hell, indian media and ndtv is rife with stories of trying to making a equivalence to killing of 17 people and M.F.Hussein leaving India.

French Have My Condolences, Not My Apology

http://www.ndtv.com/article/opinion/fre ... te=classic

"When I write this today,every word seethes with frustration"

I'm frustrated too, I'm frustrated with the constant barrage of "Islam is peace". Somehow all of us are "misguided". All of us who have a contrary view to "Islam is not peace" is branded a "Islamophobic". We can't make decisions on our our, infact we can't read the history of Islam or the Koran or the Hadith and make rational minded decisions. Only practicing muslims can do so of their own faith.
There are scores of verses of waging war on infidels, scores of examples where attacks have been done eg ; Banu Quraysh, that no body cares to mention. Today there are scores of continuing attacks on innocents that DIE and some kind of equivalence has to be given by equating caste politics on Dalits or ethnic cleansing of a minority in another country. These examples are so far fetched, it's a stretch of a imagination to equate the two.

Yet every day muslims are killing innocents in the name of Islam.

I don't really care about humanistic stories of muslims and "we are regular people too". Pointing out numerous cases of here is a good muslim and there is another one. I do not care about individual muslims leading their normal lives with relatively normal concerns that we all have.

What I do care about is the Ideology of Islam that has and continues to cause so much harm and suffering to the rest of us through those muslims that thoroughly follow it to the letter.

Allow us the decency, to say that we can make intelligent judgements of our own, through our own experience to study and to criticize a faith that is harmful to India first and the world beyond.
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a certain Dr. Paul Craig Roberts weighs in with the most vital question on french attacks.

who benefits ?
There are two ways to look at the alleged terrorist attack on the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

One is that in the English speaking world, or much of it, the satire would have been regarded as “hate speech,” and the satirists arrested. But in France Muslims are excluded from the privileged category, took offense at the satire, and retaliated.

Why would Muslims bother? By now Muslims must be accustomed to Western hypocrisy and double standards. Little doubt that Muslims are angry that they do not enjoy the protections other minorities receive, but why retaliate for satire but not for France’s participation in Washington’s wars against Muslims in which hundreds of thousands have died? Isn’t being killed more serious than being satirized?

Another way of seeing the attack is as an attack designed to shore up France’s vassal status to Washington. The suspects can be both guilty and patsies. Just remember all the terrorist plots created by the FBI that served to make the terrorism threat real to Americans.

France is suffering from the Washington-imposed sanctions against Russia. Shipyards are impacted from being unable to deliver Russian orders due to France’s vassalage status to Washington, and other aspects of the French economy are being adversely impacted by sanctions that Washington forced its NATO puppet states to apply to Russia.

This week the French president said that the sanctions against Russia should end (so did the German vice-chancellor).

This is too much foreign policy independence on France’s part for Washington. Has Washington resurrected “Operation Gladio,” which consisted of CIA bombing attacks against Europeans during the post-WW II era that Washington blamed on communists and used to destroy communist influence in European elections? Just as the world was led to believe that communists were behind Operation Gladio’s terrorist attacks, Muslims are blamed for the attacks on the French satirical magazine.

The Roman question is always: Who benefits? The answer is: Not France, not Muslims, but US world hegemony. US hegemony over the world is what the CIA supports. US world hegemony is the neoconservative-imposed foreign policy of the US.
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And the answer to that "vital question" seems to be: "The Americans did it"!!! False flag no doubt.
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Charlie Hebdo used to be an obscure, low class (for retired truck drivers and corner pub regulars) newspaper. Total circulation was less then 60000 (for France,Belgium and Canada). Sinful cartoon episode was almost forgotten and things were normal. Now it will be published in 3 million of copies in 16 language. Real demand is 3 or 4 times of that. News agents are having hard times. Conclusion: Belivers have messed up their life.
This is time for India to take moral lead,citing "An eye for an eye will" .......and all that. IM khush,DDM khus,Kangresss naraj anyway,Bakistani khus ( praising Yendia on TV for timely action. JMT
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European Parliament refrains from passing anti-India resolution

Posting in full. First they decided to pass a resolution, but when India put pressure,they backed out by saying matter is sub-judice. :lol:
The European Parliament Thursday refused to adopt a resolution against India on the issue of Italian marines being accused of killing two Indian fisherman and thereby facing trial in India.

The parliament in a statement said:"The case involving the two Italian marines having killed two Indian fishermen, is sub judice, and is being discussed between India and Italy."

It went on to explain: "The Hon'ble Supreme Court of India in its ruling Jan 14, 2015, has granted three months extension to the Italian marine, Massimiliano Latorre, for his stay in Italy on health grounds and the other marine, Salvatore Girone, is living in the Italian embassy in New Delhi."

It concluded: "Under these circumstances, the European Parliament would have been well advised not to adopt the resolution."

The delay in dispensing justice one way or another and the debate over jurisdiction has made the case a contentious matter between New Delhi and Rome. The Supreme Court ruling on Wednesday, though, was timely.

However, it is understood the Indian embassy in Brussels accredited to the European Union mounted considerable pressure on European Union member countries and the Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) not to adopt a resolution against India, and were obviously successful.
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Reading two posts above makes an interesting reading about European parliament trying to pass anti-India resolution but nothing against freedom of expression resolution in support of either Charlie Hebdo or against tyranny of organized religions that Charlie Hebdo critiqued in his cartoons.

From European Humanist Federation:
“Atheists, humanists and liberals” now targeted as a distinct minority by “hate campaigns” — report
found that almost all countries discriminate against the nonreligious, in some cases through religious privilege or legal exemption, with the worst countries refusing to issue identity cards to the nonreligious, taking children from atheist parents, or sentencing “apostates” to death
lulz at word "nonreligious"!
From same source, Charlie Hebdo attack: Freedom of expression murdered
Satirizing and mocking religion is sacred. In face of violence, we call everyone to use their words, drawings and voice to defeat obscurantism.
Notice the word secular in the motto of the group which is "Building a Secular Europe for All".
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EP pays tribute to victims of Paris terrorist attacks
“Violence with Kalashnikovs will not make us downgrade our European values”, promised Parliament President Martin Schulz, naming the 17 people killed in last week’s attacks on Charlie Hebdo and a Jewish supermarket. After a minute’s silence, Parliament’s political groups paid their tributes too. Several saw the outpouring of solidarity demonstrated by millions of citizens across Europe and worldwide as a renaissance and reaffirmation of Europe’s core values.
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“These 17 cartoonists, journalists, police officers, employees and ordinary Jewish citizens were killed because they represented things that fanatics cannot stand: criticism, humour, satire and free speech”, said Mr Schulz. ”We must not allow fear, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia or hatred to erode the values that define us: free speech and press freedom, tolerance and mutual respect”, he urged.
The media worldwide could not point out that the other attack was on a Jewish supermarket. More from the same link:
Marine Le Pen (NA, FR), said “The first duty to the victims is to put a name on what killed them. It is not terrorism that killed them. Terrorism is a means to an end. It is Islamic fundamentalism that killed them. It kills around the world, it kills thousands of people. We must also be critical of ourselves. Is Europe able to protect us, the peoples of Europe, from the threat of Islamic fundamentalism?”.
The link also has list of victims of the attacks on Charlie Hebdo and a Jewish supermarket.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 912259.cms
Gunman holds two hostage in French post office: Police
The man equipped with a military weapon had taken an unconfirmed number of hostages at the post office in the town of Colombes, not far outside the capital, French media reported earlier.

"I cannot confirm or deny whether it is linked to terrorism," the official said declining to give further details.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 910999.cms
Arrests in France, Germany amid Islamic State-linked terrorist tensions
PARIS: French and German authorities arrested at least 12 people today suspected of links to the Islamic State group and a Paris train station was evacuated, with Europe on alert for new potential terrorist attacks.

The police raids came the morning after Belgian authorities moved swiftly to pre-empt what they called a major impending attack, killing two suspects in a firefight and arresting a third in a vast anti-terrorism sweep that stretched into the night.
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The Paris prosecutor's office, meanwhile, said at least 10 people were arrested in anti-terrorism raids in the region, targeting people linked to one of the French gunmen, Amedy Coulibaly, who claimed ties to the Islamic State group.

In Berlin, police arrested two men this morning on suspicion of recruiting fighters for the Islamic State group in Syria.

Across Europe, anxiety has grown as the hunt continues for potential accomplices of the three Paris terrorists, and as authorities try to prevent attacks by the thousands of European extremists who have joined Islamic State extremists in Syria and Iraq.

"The fight against terrorism must be international," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said today. "Everybody must act: France, Europe and every country."

The Belgian raid on a former bakery was another palpable sign that terror had seeped deep into Europe's heartland as security forces struck against militants some of who may be returnees from holy war in Syria.
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pankajs wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 910999.cms
Arrests in France, Germany amid Islamic State-linked terrorist tensions
PARIS: French and German authorities arrested at least 12 people today suspected of links to the Islamic State group and a Paris train station was evacuated, with Europe on alert for new potential terrorist attacks.

The police raids came the morning after Belgian authorities moved swiftly to pre-empt what they called a major impending attack, killing two suspects in a firefight and arresting a third in a vast anti-terrorism sweep that stretched into the night.
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The Paris prosecutor's office, meanwhile, said at least 10 people were arrested in anti-terrorism raids in the region, targeting people linked to one of the French gunmen, Amedy Coulibaly, who claimed ties to the Islamic State group.

In Berlin, police arrested two men this morning on suspicion of recruiting fighters for the Islamic State group in Syria.

Across Europe, anxiety has grown as the hunt continues for potential accomplices of the three Paris terrorists, and as authorities try to prevent attacks by the thousands of European extremists who have joined Islamic State extremists in Syria and Iraq.

"The fight against terrorism must be international," French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said today. "Everybody must act: France, Europe and every country."

The Belgian raid on a former bakery was another palpable sign that terror had seeped deep into Europe's heartland as security forces struck against militants some of who may be returnees from holy war in Syria.
India must brotest 700,000,000,000 jackbooted European fascist troops oppressing beaceful Euro-Muslims with state terrorism and Islamophobia. They must be told to follow UN Resolutions and solve the problem with uninterruptible dialogue with brave mujahids who are fighting for self-determination for ummah.
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