matrimc Ji :matrimc wrote:Is it Pakistan-China Economic corridor or psec - pakistan sino economic corridor? (I know it should be Sino paki economic corridor but for convenience)
It is the CHINA-PAKISTAN ECONOMIC CORRIDOR
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matrimc Ji :matrimc wrote:Is it Pakistan-China Economic corridor or psec - pakistan sino economic corridor? (I know it should be Sino paki economic corridor but for convenience)
Inevitably - there will be some migration from Shitistan to India showing as always that Muslims are more safe among Hindus than they will be among Muslims or Christians. That is part of the small heartedness of cowardly dark skinned Hindoos who pray in narrow dark places.KJo wrote:I am wary of these guys, they now see that Modi can take India to great heights and is not the "Muslim Killer" that they had been sold on, so they could be back to their Al-Taqqiyya ways.JE Menon wrote:>>His followers are apparently great supporters of PM Modi
I had lunch with an Ismaili and a Sunni about a week ago. Can confirm the above from the Ismaili side. Don't know about great supporter, but certainly positive comments about Modi, the Obama visit, etc. etc. The Sunni (a woman) went ballistic (on a tangent) about how nasty the Americans were, and they were controlled by Jews, etc - the usual claptrap.
But we must keep in mind how close the Aga Khan has been to the Pakistanis for decades.
I think the Govt should only give refuge to people following Indic religions. Abrahamic religions can go to other places where their "brothers" will welcome them. If they want to move to India, then Ghar Wapsi should be the only way. Of course, this has to be done through unofficial channels.
Ironic no? JLN ceded the SC council seat to China. Now we are are trying to claw our way back in on something we could have had. All for to be able to veto any UNSC resolution on Kashmir that JLN proposed as a plebiscite until overtaken by events.Hari Seldon wrote:Meanwhile, in news intended specifically to relieve Pak's congenital constipation...
India pushing for China support on UNSC ahead of FM's meet (India Today)
P.S. Fat chance we'll get it. The aim IMO is to see if PRC can stay overtly neutral and abstain or something (while working overtime covertly to trip things up completely)...
Obama’s recently concluded visit to India suggests tacit US acquiescence in, if not blessing for, India’s policy of trying to overawe Pakistan through a show – and possibly the exercise – of its military prowess. In an article last week in an Indian newspaper, Daniel Markey, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, called it a strategy of “peace through strength” and likened it to that followed by Reagan towards Moscow, which is credited with having brought about the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Markey writes approvingly of Modi’s sabre-rattling and expresses the opinion that a “firm display of India’s strength” has the “potential” to “finally [resolve] the India-Pakistan dispute”. India already enjoys tremendous advantages over Pakistan, he writes, and “could turn the existing imbalance into a rout” for Pakistan by “[outracing] Pakistan on the nuclear front” and by accelerated conventional force acquisitions. Investment by India in nuclear capabilities, such as submarine-launched missiles and missile defence systems, he says, would prove extraordinarily costly for Pakistan to match or overcome. In the area of conventional weaponry, he suggests, India could “engineer a real technological leap forward by landing breakthrough deals with US defence manufacturers”.As Omar Abdullah joyously told the world on Twitter, the only place in which Kashmir figured during Obama’s visit was on the menu at the banquet for the visiting president, which featured two Kashmiri specialties: veg haak and mutton gushtaba. Nevertheless, Special Assistant Fatemi said in a TV interview that he saw a glimmer (halki si jhalak) of hope on Kashmir in Obama’s speech on the last day of his visit in which he urged India to promote religious tolerance. Our capacity for self-deception obviously knows no bounds.Last but not least, it is remarkable that the adviser’s statement expressing concern at understandings reached between the US and India during Obama’s visit makes no mention of the statement of the two leaders on a ‘Joint Strategic Vision of the Asia Pacific and Indian Ocean Region’. Our government evidently finds nothing disquieting in the US support for a larger Indian role in the ‘Indo-Pacific region’ stretching from Africa to East Asia and fails to see that it is aimed largely at neutralising China’s influence and at isolating Pakistan in the region. Nor is the government perturbed at the fact that Washington is pushing for India’s admission into APEC while keeping the door closed on Pakistan.The explanation for this monumental strategic blindness was given by Sartaj in a speech last Thursday. “Any apparent worries that some observers may have generated” over “US keenness to push India towards its Asia Pivot in the eastern half of Asia” were unwarranted, he pontificated, because “Pakistan is an important player in the Western half of Asia, which includes Afghanistan, Iran and the whole of Central and West Asia”. “As one of the few stable and well-functioning states in the Muslim world”, he went on, “Pakistan’s role in promoting stability and in facilitating connectivity in this important part of Asia, is indispensable and well-recognised not only by USA but also by Russia and China.” Our policymakers are obviously not living in the real world. The government’s capacity to lull itself into a false sense of security is simply staggering.
Pakistan’s attitude towards India, and the world’s major powers, is shaped by ideology instead of being based on pragmatism. Pakistan sees India as an existential enemy, as it did soon after the bloody partition of 1947. Textbooks still tell Pakistani children that Hindu India threatens Islamic Pakistan and seeks to terminate its existence.Seeking security against a much larger neighbour is a rational objective but seeking parity with it on a constant basis is not. The India-Pakistan equation should have changed fundamentally after both countries acquired nuclear weapons. Deterrence and Mutually Assured Destruction usually freezes conflicts but that cannot happen if one side is deologically committed to seeking resolution of disputes before anything else.With nuclear weapons, Pakistan does not need to feel insecure about being militarily overrun by India. The notion of an existential threat to Pakistan is now only psycho-political and ideological. As for Jammu and Kashmir, one need not deny the sense of injustice felt by Pakistanis to point out that it might not be an issue that can be resolved in the foreseeable future. Jihadi militancy since 1989 has failed to wrest Kashmir for Pakistan from India as has war and military confrontation.Any hope of effectively internationalising the Kashmir issue, too, should be realistically evaluated in Islamabad. The last effective UN resolution on Kashmir was passed by the Security Council in 1957, when the United Nations had 82 members. Last year, with 193 members, Pakistan’s prime minister was the only world leader who mentioned Jammu and Kashmir at the UN General Assembly.For several decades, Pakistan was able to leverage its geographic location through alliance with the United States in a bipolar world. Ironically, India and not Pakistan was deemed to be America’s natural ally. A 1949 Pentagon report described India as “the natural political and economic center of South Asia” and the country with which the United States had greater congruence of interests. India, however, opted for non-alignment in the stand-off between the West and the Soviet bloc, arguing that it needed to benefit from both sides. Pakistan, a new state unsure of its future and searching for aid to bolster its economy and security, stepped in to become part of US-led military alliances.
The US-Pakistan relationship was transactional. Pakistan assisted the US in the Cold War and in return, the US provided much needed economic and military aid ($40 billion to date since 1950). American assistance convinced Pakistan’s leaders that external allies could compensate for Pakistan’s inherent difference in size with India.In actual fact, Pakistan’s old-school diplomats, politicians and military thinkers are upset that they cannot count on the United States as the equaliser in their quest for equivalence with India. China is already a close ally of Pakistan and cannot tip the balance in Pakistan’s favour on its own.Why not change the goal from seeking parity with India to ensuring national security and economic development? All nations have sovereign equality in international law but realpolitik demands acknowledgement of the difference of size between nations.Pakistan is India’s rival in real terms only as much as Belgium could rival France or Germany. India’s population is six times larger than Pakistan while its economy is 10 times bigger. Notwithstanding problems of poverty and corruption (which Pakistan also faces), India’s $2 trillion economy has managed consistent growth whereas Pakistan’s $245 billion economy has grown in spurts.India is expanding by most measures of national power while Pakistan has been able to keep pace with it only in manufacturing nuclear weapons and their delivery systems. Pakistanis are often not told of the widening gap between the two countries in most fields including education, scientific research and innovation.In the aftermath of the recent Obama visit, Pakistan’s ire is focused on US support for a permanent seat for India in the United Nations Security Council and membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group. Pakistan cannot realistically expect either for itself but would like to deny them to India as well.Instead of breeding competition with India in the national psyche, why not concentrate on addressing institutional weaknesses, eliminating terrorism, improving infrastructure and modernising the economy?
Pakistanis are often not told of the widening gap between the two countries in most fields including education, scientific research and innovation.
It is unfair to blame JLN for giving up the UNSC seat. What would he or India have done with the damn seat anyway? India in those days was living in delusions of grandeur and had little understanding of realpolitik. India understood little about global power structures and projection - nowhere does this reflect more tellingly than in the supine way we offered our seat to China. All we were doing in those days was giving free gyaan and high-sounding philosophical discourse to whoever cared to listen in the UN, riling everyone from friend to enemy.Cosmo_R wrote:Ironic no? JLN ceded the SC council seat to China. Now we are are trying to claw our way back in on something we could have had. All for to be able to veto any UNSC resolution on Kashmir that JLN proposed as a plebiscite until overtaken by events.Hari Seldon wrote:Meanwhile, in news intended specifically to relieve Pak's congenital constipation...
India pushing for China support on UNSC ahead of FM's meet (India Today)
P.S. Fat chance we'll get it. The aim IMO is to see if PRC can stay overtly neutral and abstain or something (while working overtime covertly to trip things up completely)...
The termite family has really undermined us.
I believe what members are speculating is that some of these varieties may choose to seek shelter in India following their ilks being decimated by fellow peacefuls of the "more greener" variety.ChandraV wrote:There is some worrying stuff I see on this thread. Are some BRFites really advocating for a return to India, of "some varieties of peaceful Muslims" from Pakistan?
I hope I misinterpreted the sentiment, and that there is really no one here who even dreams of allowing any of those people in India.
There are dozens of nations for them to go to. Entire West Asia, North Africa, SE Asia (Indonesia etc.), and the Western nations of course (US/UK/Aus/etc.). There is absolutely no reason why even one of them should be allowed into India.
Don't worry. Yes, you have misinterpreted.ChandraV wrote:. . . I hope I misinterpreted the sentiment . . .
On the above highlighted partsPeregrine wrote:Competing with India
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Pakistan has to realise that world affairs are not carried out according to the figments of imagination of the country’s officially-sponsored intelligentsia. The nations of the world are engaged in serious relationships based on trade and security. No world leader will visit Pakistan if there is nothing substantial to talk about. No one has the time to add a day to their route merely to pander to Islamabad’s pretensions about parity with India.
Pakistan will have to accept hard facts and introspect the actual situation. And the fact is that Pakistan has little weight in the international arena, politically and economically. Politically, it is viewed as a nuisance at best and a threat to international security at worst.
sanjay,sanjaykumar wrote:Just what makes it a $250B economy.
As I have posted before, there is a quantum of difference between an economy that manufactures aircraft, rail engines, i+ million cars yearly, does heart transplants and works on quality control for car safety mechanisms or pharmacological research and one that is essentially a nai darzi (barber, tailor) economy with perhaps a dozen cotton gins thrown in.
It is the quality of the GDP that matters not merely a number.
If the shit hits the fan in shitland - as it appears to be doing refugees from Pakistan in tens of thousands will be unavoidable. As I foresee it, every country will do its bit and take some refugees, and India will be forced to reckon with a situation in which we too must "do our bit". Typically it will be Indian citizen Muslims who have relatives in Pakistan who will beg and plead for the lives of their kin and some will come in.Peregrine wrote:Highly Intelligent Forumites, Intelligent Forumites, Forumites All :
With respect to the Further Migration of the Rohingyas from Myanmar, Ahmedis from Pakistan and surely later on from Bangladesh along with the Shias of Pakistan and more surely from Bangladesh it is imperative that the Policy of our Government has to change.
As ChandraV Ji has stated "There is no dearth of Mani Shankar Aiyar types who will be full of pappi-jhappi sentiment and will welcome the Pakis with open arms. That should not be allowed at any cost. These Mani Aiyar, Salman Khurshid, Sudheendra Kulkarni, Tehseen Poonawala, Shehzad Poonawala, etc. are traitors of the worst kind. What's worse is that India has millions of useful idiots who will support these traitorous WKKs in the interest of "universal brotherhood", "atithidevo bhava" and "vasudhaiva kutumbakam".", it is our duty and more importantly the Government of India's Duty to make the World aware that the 1.5 Billion Muslims have Fifty and more Islamic Countries to go to WHEREAS THE 1.2 BILLION HINDUS HAVE NO HINDU COUNTRY.
We must also take cognizance of the Onslaught of the Two Proselytizing Religions and FORGIVE THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE CONVERSION OF HINDUS BUT NEVER FORGET!
Just as the USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand etc. are Christian Countries but are TOLERANT OF ALL RELIGIONS may be the Solution would be to have India and Nepal as Hindu Countries BUT ENSURE A TOLERATION OF ALL RELIGIONS
I hope I am not misunderstood and look forward to a useful dialogue on the problem albeit in a Suitable Thread.
Oddly enough Harish - it was other countries who could see India's potential and were willing to place India by their side - but Nehru's sense of inferiority compared to the west and later China - a sense that has rubbed off a bit on every Indian made Nehru and Indians feel were not good enough. That was wrong.Harish wrote: India in those days was living in delusions of grandeur and had little understanding of realpolitik. India understood little about global power structures and projection - nowhere does this reflect more tellingly than in the supine way we offered our seat to China. All we were doing in those days was giving free gyaan and high-sounding philosophical discourse to whoever cared to listen in the UN, riling everyone from friend to enemy.
I totally believe things happened as they should have. With their enormous ambitions and hard-nosed determination to achieve them, China was far more deserving of the seat, and indeed has made good use of it.
India is different now and appreciates the value of power both hard and soft. It is a (relatively more) savvy practitioner of global realpolitik. India will land the UNSC seat soon - we all get what we deserve in time.
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AFP) - A group of students and teachers who survived a Taliban massacre at a Pakistani school left Monday for a trip to China aimed at healing the mental scars of their ordeal.
Presently Pakistan is the second largest producer of buffalo milk, the third largest producer of cotton, fifth largest country for the occurrence of gemstones, 4th largest Livestock population, which shows that Pakistan is enriched with a huge potential of economic growth and needs nothing but a progressive generation of SMEs to transform these resources into business.
Why the takleef at conducting a census?ISLAMABAD: A Muttahida Qaumi Movement’s resolution urging the government to immediately conduct a population census in the country is on the agenda of the Senate’s sitting to be held on Monday.
Giving an example, he said, the population of Karachi had now crossed 20.5 million, but the city still has 10 seats reserved in the National Assembly.
“Karachi’s seats in the assembly will be doubled after the census,” he claimed.
The MQM senator said that those who did not want to hold local bodies’ elections in the country were actually reluctant to hold census as they knew that after the census they would have to go for new delimitation of constituencies and would have to give share in resources and development funds to local governments.
My gawd! this needling of bakistan continues or rather this flinging oneself on the point of the needle by the bakis continues. Why is sammy bahadur bent of denying bakis even the comfort of words hanji? Have some taras on the boor porki.Spokesperson for the US embassy in Islamabad Cynthia Harvey on Sunday accepted the regional issue was discussed in Obama-Modi meeting in New Delhi.
However, she was blank as whether the issue of Pak-India tension was discussed in the meeting, saying, “I refer you to the US-India Joint Statement and other public statements.”
She told Online that President Obama and Prime Minister Narendra Modi discussed a range of bilateral and regional issues, including trade, security and counterterrorism, climate change, and inclusive development.
Diplomatic sources said that so far no briefing over the Obama visit to India was given to the US Embassy in Islamabad or Pakistani Embassy in Washington. Briefing to US State Department was also yet awaited, they added.
The US State Department and White House are also not directly answering the question. The US-India Joint statement is silent over the issue.
Responding to a question about Obama-Modi discussion over Pak-India tension in her Friday’s briefing in Washington, the US State Department Spokesperson, Jen Psaki said, “Well, I’d point you to the President for that. As you know, the Secretary wasn’t even on the trip with him.” {Now we don't know if this *clarification* was indeed issued or something pulled out of the musharraf wonlee.}
Chin has been very careful for the entire 50 years that our relationship is strained.shiv wrote:Look out for mention of Kashmir by China.
Joo are raang my phraand. This Raakit is a Mard. So it is Raakit Mard.Harish wrote:What is that thing hanging out from below? A sewage pipe? A mijjile within a mijjile?
A bennij?
This Raaand is a mard, apparently.
An off-road motorcycle named after the Ténéré desert in Sahara is a rare sight inside the Office of the Commissioner of Police in Vepery.
And so is the man who rode it all the way from Freiburg in Germany to Chennai and reached the top cop’s office [to get a no-objection certificate to ship his bike back to Germany after a 16000 Km journey]
Now, that is the geostrategic importance of Pakistan that Sir Olaf Caroe so eloquently talked about. No biker from Germany can come to India bypassing Pakistan.His real challenge began after he entered Pakistan through the Balochistan province with some fellow bikers he befriended on the road.
“We rode through Pakistan a total of 12 days, with police escort, and were not permitted to interact with the locals. We had to spend the night at police stations en route,” he said.
Riding for over 90 days, Rheiner entered India via the Wagah border on December 3. He then rode around the length and breath of the country making stops at Dharamshala, Agra, Ranthambore, Mumbai, Aurangabad, Bengaluru, Ooty, Munnar, Alappuzha and Rameswaram, and entered Chennai last Sunday, thus completing his expedition.
A joint military parade of Pakistan's armed forces will take place on Pakistan Day, sources said on Monday, after a gap of seven years.
"The decision has been made to hold a joint military services parade on March 23," a top military source told Dawn on the condition of anonymity.
The parade will be organised by joint staff headquarters in Rawalpindi, which oversees the three armed forces of Pakistan.The venue for the parade is yet to be finalised, with the two vast compounds shortlisted as potential sites.
The last military parade took place on March 23, 2008 during the tenure of Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf as a civilian president.
Furthermore, a diplomatic source told Dawn that Chinese President Xi Jinping is expected to attend the Pakistan Day parade as chief guest.
Both China and Pakistan are working out details of the Chinese president's visit through diplomatic channels.
Chinese authorities have been assured about maximum security during Jinping's upcoming visit.
“The joint military parade has been cancelled due to security reason and deployment of troops at western borders engaged in the war against terrorism,” the defence source had said in 2014.
The decision to resume the military parade after seven years appears to be a manifestation of the military's show of strength in the wake of the shocking attack on the Army Public School (APS) in Peshawar last year, which left 150 people dead, including 132 schoolchildren.
In Pakistan, the March 23 is venerated because it is likened to a national holiday, with some military processions that honour the day.
However, the day's true greatness is more universal as it demonstrates the ideology of the independence movement; justice for the masses through constitutional measures ranging from electoral safeguards to guaranteed representation in state institutions.
It was this day that the Muslim League declared its demand for a separate homeland to safeguard the sanctity of the rights of the 30 million Muslims in British India.
Very Similar to Another Phamous Mijjile from Uncle's Desh (NSFW)Harish wrote:What is that thing hanging out from below? A sewage pipe? A mijjile within a mijjile?
A bennij?
This Raaand is a mard, apparently.
Do the Bakis understand the meaning of leverage?A senior official {Baki} familiar with the development told The Express Tribune on Sunday that Washington has informed through diplomatic channels that Obama “privately encouraged and pushed” Modi to review his approach towards Pakistan.
The US president told Modi that despite ongoing tensions, India must remain engaged with Pakistan. The official, who requested not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, said Modi was informed that Pakistan had taken ‘serious steps’ in recent months to eradicate terrorism.
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The official said that the US intervention at the highest level raised the possibility of resumption of talks between the two nuclear-armed neighbours. A diplomatic source claimed that the moribund talks might resume in March.
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The American reluctance to publicly acknowledge its ‘intervention’ is attributed to the fact that India does not want to be seen taking ‘dictation’ from outside due to domestic compulsions.
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He added that India’s ‘dependency’ on the United States, be it defence or nuclear areas, means Americans will have more ‘leverage’ over the administration in New Delhi.