Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Feb 2015 18:43

A view from "K" ... Nothing new here ...
http://www.kashmirlife.net/obamas-chang ... -06-72586/
Obama’s Change

US president Barak Obama’s silence over K-issue and his bonhomie with Indian PM Modi signals end of an era for hopeful Kashmiris. Shah Abbas tries to find out the storm behind the silence that is about to reshape the volatile South Asia

Many in Kashmir, hoping at least a mere mention of the restive region were disappointed. America has been largely seen as sympathetic to Kashmir if not a supporter of the separatist movement. Her stand, in the international diplomatic arena, has not been antagonistic. In the past, many a times, the US has offered her mediation between India and Pakistan on Kashmir; which would always irk India.
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In 2009, then American ambassador to New Delhi, David Mulford in one of his confidential cables to Washington cautioned the new US government under Barack Obama that India viewed America’s Kashmir policy as skewed because it was perceived having “generous tilt” towards Pakistan.

“The argument offered by Indians against any third party role in Kashmir is that the US is not an impartial arbitrator because it has other compelling interests – such as ensuring Pakistani cooperation on Afghanistan – that favour a tilt towards Pakistan,” the cable leaked by WikiLeaks said.
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Many analysts in India, known for working on the Track-II front to grease Indo-US relationship, believe that it was the “skilful diplomacy” of Mulford which helped India succeed in bringing about much sought after change in America’s Kashmir policy.

“Relationship of the two States has now been extended to economic collaboration including enhanced trade and investment so United States cannot afford to annoy India which has every potential to harm US interests now,” said one of the Kashmiri analysts who used to meet Mulford.
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Kashmir is a cause of tensions between India and Pakistan. It is also a reflection of their general state of animosity. But now, when US had decided to come close to New Delhi, its silence over Kashmir is obvious.

Given the fact that US do not have a great deal of leverage on Kashmir issue, it is concentrating on long term cooperation with India.

Washington may not have a considerable influence in Kashmir, even then those who claim to be the part of Track-II diplomacy between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, do not want to unlock their tongues when asked about the change in the America’s foreign policy.

This correspondent called many such “influential” people who talked in length about the nature of a unipolar world and the economic interests in it but did not want to be quoted. “Perhaps to ensure their future US visas,” Rashid said.
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“The US investors wanted hard reforms so that their investments are secured and Modi seems right choice on the basis of his limited but hardest Gujarat formula,” said a political and economic analyst who works for a multinational company.

That is why Obama came and embraced Modi. Obama also cleared much awaited civil nuclear deal with India pushing Pakistan further to wall.

The times ahead for the south Asia are more testing as Beijing and Islamabad are possibly bound to compete the US and New Delhi for their respective interests.

The situation is already indicating rise of a new order in the region which is likely to have its one end in Kabul as well where Ashraf Gani has already started showing eyes to Nawaz Sharief.

Those who are disappointed by the fact that Obama skipped the mention of the “K” word might be looking towards Beijing now for its retaliatory measures. Russia too was a possible destination of such eyes but Ukraine has faded the road.

The faithfools do not understand Beijing is not the same as Washington or Islamabad.

The middle kingdom does not have the same freedom that Sam bahadur had for a variety of reasons. Beijing is a tad bit more careful than the Baki fandoos who never cared for blowback.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 02 Feb 2015 19:55

SSridhar wrote:Man and bike, [from] Germany to India
Excerpts
An off-road motorcycle named after the Ténéré desert in Sahara is a rare sight inside the Office of the Commissioner of Police in Vepery.

And so is the man who rode it all the way from Freiburg in Germany to Chennai and reached the top cop’s office [to get a no-objection certificate to ship his bike back to Germany after a 16000 Km journey]
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Riding for over 90 days, Rheiner entered India via the Wagah border on December 3. He then rode around the length and breath of the country making stops at Dharamshala, Agra, Ranthambore, Mumbai, Aurangabad, Bengaluru, Ooty, Munnar, Alappuzha and Rameswaram, and entered Chennai last Sunday, thus completing his expedition.

What I'm going to write is so OT it probably deserves another forum (not just a thread). It's also highly paranoid in a world where satellite tech can id the colour of your chaddis and SIGINT can think what you're thinking before you think it.

Of course there are easier ways of doing the same thing if this German fella indeed was more than just a tourist, but still, but for some reason that wandering route and medium of travel just bought to mind the expeditions in Central Asia that western travellers and explorers took during the years of the Great Game, when they all purported to be explorers, but almost all were intelligence officers.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 02 Feb 2015 20:08

This reminded me of the r'aad missile. It was a superbowl commercial.

http://postimg.org/image/u9kpb87dn/

member_28911 · Post by **member_28911** » 02 Feb 2015 20:27

Sachin Parashar (Journalist, The Times of India): Reports from Islamabad say Pak will organise a full military parade on Pakistan Day with Chinese prez Xi as chief guest @timesofindia

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 02 Feb 2015 20:47

Question for the learned maulaners.

Which country did Hussain Haqqani, the then Baki Amby to US, approach to mediate between Amreeka and Bakistan?

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 Feb 2015 21:00

Ankar wrote:Sachin Parashar (Journalist, The Times of India): Reports from Islamabad say Pak will organise a full military parade on Pakistan Day with Chinese prez Xi as chief guest @timesofindia

Inviting the P.R.China’s President to officiate for “Pakistan Day” is about the only way left to the the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to ensure that the parade is not cancelled for the 7th year in a row

. The Pakistan Day parade was last held in 2008

:

Pakistan's military parade cancelled for sixth year

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Feb 2015 21:17

After 7 year gap, Pakistan Day to see military parade in full glory

Arun Ji :

India Invites Obama to India's Annual Republic Day Parade.

Cwapistan stages a military parade in full glory for El Presidante Eleven!

Cheers

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 02 Feb 2015 21:20

Pakis are not in a habit of organizing a constitutional day for sure, since they had many different versions of constitutions (1956, 1962, etc.)

Certain facts involving constitutional powers in pukilands:
(1) Power to suspend itself - "Under public pressure, President Iskander Mirza upheld the coup d'état in 1958; thus virtually suspending the constitution." - followed by coups, presidents getting deposed, etc etc.
(2) Generals altering versions of constitution - "on 6 May 1961, Ayub Khan altered the entire version of the constitution which was entirely different from the one recommended by .." - followed by martial law, and again suspension of constitution
(3) Some other features:
- The military government and President Yahya himself made no efforts to frame a constitution, aside from issuing the extrajudicial order in 1970
- 1970 constitutional crises
- Martial Law Administration by political parties - thereby confirming suspension of constitution.

So suspending constitution seems to be more frequent in pakistan than otherwise.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 02 Feb 2015 21:46

Peregrine wrote:After 7 year gap, Pakistan Day to see military parade in full gloryIndia Invites Obama to India's Annual Republic Day Parade.Cwapistan stages a military parade in full glory for El Presidante Eleven!

Alhamdulillah, TTP will be having EID & IED together that day. They will make sure Paki Repubic check day get celebrated in its Medinite Glory.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 Feb 2015 21:47

>> Reports from Islamabad say Pak will organise a full military parade on Pakistan Day with Chinese prez Xi as chief guest - A Full dress rehearsal of Baki generals...

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 Feb 2015 21:53

Can someone help to put the this with music and singing ...

So that it may be ready for March 23, the Pakistan Day...

From Shiv:

Brilliant. Someone should actually sing it and put it on YouTube. Gives me ideass..

Amber G. wrote:

This poem is original by your truly (and request BRF to copy right it

). With due apology to Mukesh (Please go ahead and listen to the song)

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1777114

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Feb 2015 22:04

India has very little to prove to Pakistan but there would be some benefits to taking in perhaps a token 500 refugees; even the most obtuse Pakistani will realise the irony and the final humiliation of Pakistan. While the west generates Muslim refugees, India will be seen taking them in. Somehow Muslim refugees from Burma are not the same as Muslim refugees from Pakistan in the currency of global opinion. Modi may benefit politically from such a move.

Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Feb 2015 22:48

sanjaykumar wrote:India has very little to prove to Pakistan 1. but there would be some benefits to taking in perhaps a token 500 refugees; 2. even the most obtuse Pakistani will realise the irony and the final humiliation of Pakistan. 3. While the west generates Muslim refugees, India will be seen taking them in. Somehow Muslim refugees from Burma are not the same as Muslim refugees from Pakistan in the currency of global opinion. 4. Modi may benefit politically from such a move.

5. Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.

sanjaykumar Ji :

1. That will be the THIN EDGE OF THE WEDGE. The Muslim Countries - Fifty if not More - will then expect India to take more "Muslim Refugees" from ALL MUSLIM OR NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES in General and PAKISTAN in Particular.

2. That is wishful thinking and a BIG NO NO! Never Forget : Pakistani Muslims hate All Non-Muslim Indians in General and Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and Jains in Particular. cif : PEW Surveys.

3. NO BENEFIT AT ALL. I assure you.

4. I don't think so.

5. Couldn't agree with you more and thus India should SEAL ITS BORDERS at the Time opertune, if not NOW.

Cheers

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 02 Feb 2015 22:54

I didnt understand this completely during 98-99 cricket test series. Yes, there were security implications. There was a narrow window open to be clubbed with india as the hext two admitted powers. But the sanctions werent worth it. Despite chinese prodding, it would have been wise to stick away from tests.

Now, I think daily missile tests and weekly military parades are in order. Also two dozen nuclear submarines, and 4 aircraft carriers. If there is this compulsion to match military expenditure step by step, I would say it needs to be met with encouragement, strong encouragement. To the level of their $25B economy. In fact, a news release on how India spens $100B a year just testing is in order.

Peregrine: this "sealing" is a myth. The US has never managed it, not even in korea. The israelis have not managed it, not even in gaza.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 02 Feb 2015 23:05

Shreeman wrote: Peregrine: this "sealing" is a myth. The US has never managed it, not even in korea. The israelis have not managed it, not even in gaza.

Sreeman Ji :

I believe the Saudi Arabians are now doing it - possibly against the ISIS or some such.
Cheers

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Feb 2015 23:12

^^^ Aren't there already Afghan refugees in India? If I believe Wiki, there are of the order of a 1000 Afghan Muslim refugees (out of 10,000 overall).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghans_in_India

PS: No to all kinds of tokenism. India should take in only people, who if they stay, will make good citizens of India. Anyone else should be temporary basis only, for humanitarian reasons.

PPS: The elephant does not take the effort or time out of its day to humiliate the cockroach. If the cockroach is in the way, it gets stepped on, that is it. Anyway, if Pakistanis were self-aware they would see how they humiliate themselves each and every day.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 02 Feb 2015 23:24

sanjaykumar wrote:India has very little to prove to Pakistan but there would be some benefits to taking in perhaps a token 500 refugees; even the most obtuse Pakistani will realise the irony and the final humiliation of Pakistan. While the west generates Muslim refugees, India will be seen taking them in. Somehow Muslim refugees from Burma are not the same as Muslim refugees from Pakistan in the currency of global opinion. Modi may benefit politically from such a move.

Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.

At a minimum, anyone entering India must sign/ video record an undertaking that they believe that Truth is One and there are many different vallid paths of attaining It, further they they accept that no hunan or state entity has the right to judge the religious standing of any person.

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 02 Feb 2015 23:50

KLNMurthy wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:India has very little to prove to Pakistan but there would be some benefits to taking in perhaps a token 500 refugees; even the most obtuse Pakistani will realise the irony and the final humiliation of Pakistan. While the west generates Muslim refugees, India will be seen taking them in. Somehow Muslim refugees from Burma are not the same as Muslim refugees from Pakistan in the currency of global opinion. Modi may benefit politically from such a move.

Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.
At a minimum, anyone entering India must sign/ video record an undertaking that they believe that Truth is One and there are many different vallid paths of attaining It, further they they accept that no hunan or state entity has the right to judge the religious standing of any person.

Huh...and what is this supposed to achieve ?

-M

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 02 Feb 2015 23:52

At any rate, India might have better luck getting such an undertaking from soul harvesters.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 03 Feb 2015 00:07

No need to take in any pakis. A bullet is simpler and cheapest way to get rid of them.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 03 Feb 2015 01:04

The REAL problem is where the countries that propped up pakis - with nukes, diplomatic support et al - indulging in mere tokenism & that place includes all fourfathers, ummah brotherhood, IMF club, et al who kick the toilet can down the road and expect all will be well later.

Fortunately for pakis, some of the toilet can kickers are very well off, and have good support system in their own countries such as fourfathers, NATO club and rich ummah brotherhood members. For example, American can take in about 25% of pakis i.e. 50 million pakis for good of pakis and settle the pakis in fun state Florida.

However, Indians not giving a damn can NOT be equal==equal to global-ummah not taking in less green shias, or in the first place, not able to stop bloodletting.

The global ummah are one of the strong culprits and can't be indulging in mere tokenism for their munna. Saudis, an Islamic state, can settle them near minority shia areas no, where oil fields are!

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 03 Feb 2015 01:11

Peregrine wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:5. Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.[/b]
5. Couldn't agree with you more and thus India should SEAL ITS BORDERS at the Time opertune, if not NOW.

Peregrine ji: Absolutely. The more opportune moment was yesterday. But better late than never.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Feb 2015 01:17

Peregrine wrote:
Shreeman wrote: Peregrine: this "sealing" is a myth. The US has never managed it, not even in korea. The israelis have not managed it, not even in gaza.
Sreeman Ji :

I believe the Saudi Arabians are now doing it - possibly against the ISIS or some such.
Cheers

Yes, I pointed that out here when the news first broke and encouraged the bakis bid for the contract. But that is as much as a wet dream (and equal-equal with israel) as your average street abdul wanting to be musharraf's son-in-law. Did you know that is a top fantasy -- being a generals son-in-law?

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 03 Feb 2015 01:28

A_Gupta Ji, Mihaylo Ji, sanjaykumar Ji, vishvak Ji, Bheeshma Ji and matrimc Ji :

Many thanks for being in the Real World.

Shreeman Ji :

What would be a Dry Dream?
Cheers

Uttam · Post by **Uttam** » 03 Feb 2015 02:12

VERY INTERESTING

The weird duel between Russia and Pakistan over the corpse of a hanged terrorist

Relations between Pakistan and Russia may be on the upswing, but that didn't prevent a wild diplomatic showdown in late December, when Pakistan executed a Russian citizen.

In a story that could have been an episode on Showtime's "Homeland" -- the latest season of which was based in a fictional version of Islamabad -- Pakistan’s respected Dawn newspaper reported Monday that the body of the Russian prisoner went missing for two days after he was hanged.

Where the body of Akhlas Akkhlak Ahmed was during that time is still a bit murky, but Dawn reported that Russian officials snatched it and tried to smuggle it out of the country.

The story begins on Dec. 21, when Ahmed, also known as Roosi, was hanged in Faisalabad, his punishment for being convicted of trying to assassinate Pakistan’s ex-military ruler, Pervez Musharraf, in 2003. A few days earlier, in response to a shocking school massacre by the Taliban in the northwestern city of Peshawar, Pakistan had lifted a six-year moratorium on capital punishment.

Russian officials had urged Pakistani leaders to spare Ahmed, arguing that he had been wrongly convicted. The 33-year-old had a Russian mother and a Pakistani father. He was raised in Russia but relocated to Pakistan as a teenager, according to local media accounts.

Russia condemned the execution, but little more was heard about the matter until the Dawn article appeared on Monday.

According to Dawn, after the execution, Ahmed's father collected his body and buried him in his home town in Kashmir. But then his mother arrived in Islamabad from Russia and demanded possession of the body, according to Dawn.

Quoting anonymous sources, Dawn said the mother, accompanied by Russian diplomats, traveled to the father’s home town and had the body exhumed on Dec. 23.

After driving more than 100 miles, Ahmed’s mother and Russian officials eventually ended up at the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) hospital in Islamabad. But when they tried to store Ahmed's body there, Pakistani intelligence officials showed up and confronted them.

“Senior officers of the police and concerned authorities were contacted who advised to take the body to a private hospital and keep it there until further orders,” a source told Dawn.

Instead, Dawn reported that Russian officials told police they would drive the body to a medical center in Rawalpindi, the city adjacent to Islamabad.

What happened next, according to the account in Dawn, could be a scene from an action thriller.

“The body was put in an ambulance with the mother and some Russian diplomats accompanying it.

“But, according to the sources, the ambulance suddenly changed directions and instead of going to Rawalpindi headed for the diplomatic enclave at a very high speed," the article continued, referring to the walled, ultra-high-security district in Islamabad that houses many embassy compounds.

“The police gave it a chase but had to stop when it entered the Russian embassy,” Dawn wrote.

Unable to breach diplomatic protocol by entering the Russian Embassy, the newspaper reported, Pakistani paramilitary forces instead surrounded the building. The standoff lasted two days and ended only after Pakistan agreed to send Ahmed's body to Russia, Dawn reported.

In an interview with The Washington Post, a senior police official confirmed the first part of Dawn’s story, saying that Ahmed’s body was unearthed from Kashmir and driven to Islamabad. The police official also confirmed that the body was initially taken to PIMS.

But the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, denied that there was ever a car chase or embassy standoff. Still, the official admitted that “negotiations” were needed to resolve the matter.

“The Russians finally got the body, and it was flown to Russia,” the police official said.

A Russian diplomatic official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said the embassy now considers the matter to be “closed.” The official declined additional comment, except to confirm that Ahmed’s body is now back in Russia.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 03 Feb 2015 02:29

So Pakis after the Peshawar high school massacre showed their resolve by hanging a Russian jihadi and even had to return his body!!! Shows how sincere they were to hose poor dead kids.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 03 Feb 2015 02:45

Jamaat-e-Islami Hind president asks Pakistan to forget Kashmir.

President of Jamaat-e-Islami Hind (JIH) Syed Jalaluddin Umari, who attended the Conference of Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan at Lahore, gave a detailed interview to Pakistani weekly Friday Special (Urdu). The interview was later republished in the JIH’s mouthpiece Dawat.

The septuagenarian Indian cleric gives some good advice to his Pakistani counterparts. The interview is amazingly frank and touches on many important aspects of life in both Pakistan and India. The Jamaat-e-Islami Hind president criticized the Pakistani government, lack of development and the political impasse in the South Asian nation.

In response to a question, Maulana Umari says “The biggest issue confronting Pakistan today is political instability. Democracy doesn’t last here and there is no development taking place in this nation

. The only thing that we continue to hear about Pakistan is killings, bombings and this is very disheartening indeed”.

Jamaat-e-Islami Hind (JIH) is an important organization of Muslims in India. The Maulana asked Pakistani people and the government to forget about Kashmir. “In this conference, the Kashmir issue continued to eclipse all other issues. In my view, despite all your eagerness to get Kashmir, this issue cannot be resolved through war. If anyone in Pakistan believes that they can win the Indian Kashmir through war or proxy insurgency, it is not going to be possible” the JIH President said. (AOA he really thrust the dagger deep up the Paki Musharraf's)

The cleric continued, “You have tried everything, but failed. Now the international environment is completely against you. No nation supports your stand on Kashmir. Even those powers that are your biggest supporters and who actually run your country have made it amply clear that they are not supporting Pakistan. Despite all your efforts you have failed comprehensively on Kashmir. Your claim that you will win it through war is just day-dreaming and nothing more. It is just impossible”. (Ya Allah rahem, a Muslim from India is showing us our Aukat)

Maulana Umri warned Pakistan that it shouldn’t think of any war with India. “In case of war you may be able to destroy some parts of India. But Pakistan will be completely decimated in such a reckless war. If there is any atomic war, forget about Kashmir, the whole Pakistan will be completely destroyed.”

The chief of Jamaat-e-Islami Hind also talked in detail about the condition of Indian Muslims in the interview with Pakistani newspaper. “The Sachar Committee report says that Muslims are lagging behind other communities in both education and economy. As far as educational backwardness is concerned, it is more to do with poverty among Muslims. Partition too was responsible to a certain extent for backwardness among them….But things are changing now.'

"The government is providing some facilities, like giving scholarship to Muslim students across the country besides giving them more opportunities in government jobs. A very important aspect is the fact that Muslims have established their own educational institutions in large numbers throughout the country." Though these educational institutions have been established in north India too, in South India such institutions are in very large number. Muslims have medical and engineer colleges besides other professional institutions. This has a profound impact on the overall literacy and development of Muslims in India. Muslims are coming into mainstream and now their condition is improving substantially”. The Pakis will never invite this proud Indian again for showing them their dirty face in the mirror and saying things for what and as they are.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 03 Feb 2015 02:49

Mihaylo wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: At a minimum, anyone entering India must sign/ video record an undertaking that they believe that Truth is One and there are many different vallid paths of attaining It, further they they accept that no hunan or state entity has the right to judge the religious standing of any person.
Huh...and what is this supposed to achieve ?

-M

We need an enforceable legal framework for asserting our core principles and for undermining the core principles of our enemies, and for keeping out undesirables and enemies. One template for such a framework is the US Immigration and Nationality Act.

The Act allowed the government to deport immigrants or naturalized citizens engaged in subversive activities and also allowed the barring of suspected subversives from entering the country. It was used to bar members and former members and "fellow travelers" of the Communist Party from entry into the United States, even those who had not been associated with the party for decades.

We can use a template like this (extended to all visa seekers) to keep out missionaries, jihadis and subversives by requiring an oath to (1) not undermine Hinduism and (2) to repudiate paki declaration of Ahmadis and shias (to come) as non-muslims.

Of course applicants can lie (as do america's applicants) but then we will have a legal basis for taking stern action.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 03 Feb 2015 03:02

Xi, Putin back India on UN terror charter against Pak
BEIJING: In a significant development, China and Russia on Monday decided to back India for moving a proposal at the United Nations that essentially goes against Pakistan on the issue of terrorism.

In order to corner Pakistan for sheltering and facilitating terrorists involved the 26/11 carnage and other attacks in the country, India seeks to move a resolution in the UN to punish those who shelter and finance terrorism. And on Monday, it enlisted the support of China and Russia for the same. "I see this as a major achievement," Exteral affairs minister Sushma Swaraj told newsmen after a summit of the foreign ministers of Russia, India and China (RIC).

This is a rare occasion when China, a close ally of Pakistan, has taken a stand on an issue that is bound to rattle Islamabad. Beijing's move not only reflects the importance it accords to New Delhi, but is also an acknowledgment of its own problem of terrorism in Xinjiang province. China has often said that 'foreign forces' are helping terrorists in Xinjiang.

After the RIC summit - attended by Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov and Swaraj - a joint communique was issued which "underlined the need to bring to justice perpetrators, organizers, financiers and sponsors of terrorist acts".

The three foreign ministers called for early conclusion of negotiations on the Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism. India had moved this resolution 19 years back that has since remained inconclusive, Swaraj explained.

"The ministers reiterated that there can be no ideological, religious, political, racial, ethnic, or any other justification for acts of terrorism," the resolution said.

Russia and China also agreed to support a larger role for India in the United Nations, Asia Pacific Economic Coperation (APEC) and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

There are clear signs that China and Russia are making an extra effort to sway India towards them after the new-found bonhomie between New Delhi and Washington in the wake of US president Barack Obama's recent visit to India. Among other things, Obama had agreed to back India's membership in the APEC and the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

"China and Russia welcomed India's application for full membership of SCO and supported India to join the SCO after completing all necessary negotiations and legal processes," the joint communique said. Incidentally, Pakistan is also seeking a membership of SCO but it was not mentioned.

The joint statement also said, "China and Russia would welcome India's participation in APEC." But it did not specify if India would be considered for full membership. Prime Minister Narendra Modi had earlier refused to attend the APEC summit in Beijing after Chinese president Xi Jinping invited him as an observer.

However, China and Russia did not specifically commit themselves on India's demand for a seat in the UN Security Council. "RIC has reaffirmed the need for a comprehensive reform of the United Nations, including its Security Council, with a view to making it more representative and efficient, so that it could better respond to global challenges," the communique said, and further added: "Foreign Ministers of China and Russia reiterated the importance they attached to the status of India in international affairs and supported its aspiration to play a greater role in the United Nations."

Ab Tera Kya Hoga Pakiyaa Cheers

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Feb 2015 03:04

^^ Make your own act based on principles. And Not one iterated on documents dripping in race, color, or religion discrimination. It doesnt take rocket science to write something that says religion stays home. What is needed is end of religious descrimination (that is both encouragement and discouragement) and installation of firm separation of religion and governance. No use of religion in any money solicitation. Ban on all religious collections made outside the house of worship. Ban on all religious advertisements and broadcasting (yes, thats speakers on minarets too).

Let the ideology organically grow or kill any religion. The monster is quickly domesticated if its not fed money/charity. And people suddenly become human again.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 03 Feb 2015 04:48

Peregrine wrote:Xi, Putin back India on UN terror charter against Pak
Ab Tera Kya Hoga Pakiyaa Cheers ]

Who Hogga Jo manzoor e Modi Hogga .
OTOH, i think Pakisookerzadehs will soon see few Tweety Birds flying over empty upper storey.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 03 Feb 2015 05:08

arun wrote:
Ankar wrote:Sachin Parashar (Journalist, The Times of India): Reports from Islamabad say Pak will organise a full military parade on Pakistan Day with Chinese prez Xi as chief guest @timesofindia

Inviting the P.R.China’s President to officiate for “Pakistan Day” is about the only way left to the the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to ensure that the parade is not cancelled for the 7th year in a row . The Pakistan Day parade was last held in 2008 :

Actually, I am told that Pakistan Day parade did take place in 2014...

This is the youtube (whole parade, so it is about 16 minutes long).Twirling of guns and eclipses by cameras..impressive they told me.

[youtube]pzz8pGYQ6F0#[/youtube]

akashganga · Post by **akashganga** » 03 Feb 2015 05:15

Peregrine wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:India has very little to prove to Pakistan 1. but there would be some benefits to taking in perhaps a token 500 refugees; 2. even the most obtuse Pakistani will realise the irony and the final humiliation of Pakistan. 3. While the west generates Muslim refugees, India will be seen taking them in. Somehow Muslim refugees from Burma are not the same as Muslim refugees from Pakistan in the currency of global opinion. 4. Modi may benefit politically from such a move.

5. Indians needs to develop a more sophisticated approach to self-interest.
sanjaykumar Ji :

1. That will be the THIN EDGE OF THE WEDGE. The Muslim Countries - Fifty if not More - will then expect India to take more "Muslim Refugees" from ALL MUSLIM OR NON-MUSLIM COUNTRIES in General and PAKISTAN in Particular.

2. That is wishful thinking and a BIG NO NO! Never Forget : Pakistani Muslims hate All Non-Muslim Indians in General and Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and Jains in Particular. cif : PEW Surveys.

3. NO BENEFIT AT ALL. I assure you.

4. I don't think so.

5. Couldn't agree with you more and thus India should SEAL ITS BORDERS at the Time opertune, if not NOW.

Cheers

India is the only country hindus have. Why should india allow muslims from other countries to settle. Let them find land in 50 plus other muslim countries to live. India is already overflowing with more than 1.2 billion people and all these muslims want to come. Only hindus, sikhs, buddists, jains, and indian origin athiests should be allowed.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 03 Feb 2015 05:21

The pakistani parade has been closed to the public for the past 8 years on fear of attacks. So the Paki army has made peace with the TTP or is confident it has decimated them with drone attacks? What is the reason for this new found courage....unless this year's parade is also mostly closed to the public.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Feb 2015 05:23

^^ Orders from china. If there is an event, it will be blamed on India anf future 1/26 events will be open season.

arshyam · Post by **arshyam** » 03 Feb 2015 05:25

Tuvaluan wrote:What is the reason for this new found courage....

My guess is echandee, given the incessant rona-dhona about being dropped from India-US dialogues. This is Bakis' way to attempting == : India invites Ombaba, Baki invites the guy with the 2nd largest economy, 11.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Feb 2015 05:39

akashganga wrote: India is the only country hindus have. Why should india allow muslims from other countries to settle. Let them find land in 50 plus other muslim countries to live. India is already overflowing with more than 1.2 billion people and all these muslims want to come. Only hindus, sikhs, buddists, jains, and indian origin athiests should be allowed.

The problem is more likely to be a practical one and an emotional response will likely not work in that way

Imagine a flood in Pakistan and a cholera epidemic combined with a series of attacks on Hindus and Sikhs. What the Indian side may see across the fence is a huge crowd of people - mostly women, children and elderly begging to get across. People dying - dead bodies being abandoned and vultures flying about. There will be no guarantee that the crowd has only Hindus and Sikhs. There may be others - equally suffering from dehydration, hunger and disease.

These people cannot be sprayed with machine gun fire. At some stage a gap will have to be opened. Once the gap is opened - that will become "the thin end of the wedge". Inevitably Hindus and Sikhs will be followed by Christians, Ahmedis and Shias as well as a sizable number of Sunis and at least a few Islamist agents passing off as refugees. Remember that poobah taught that it is fine to discard all Islamic principles to survive but after gaining strength stick a danda up the back side of the people who you struck a deal with.

So such refugees will have to be housed right near the border in camps as occurred during the Bangladesh crisis. Those camps cant be permanent but they sure will be long term. And then something will have to be done with those people and you can be sure that a large proportion will not go back. Charitable Hindu and Sikh organizations may take charge of Hindus and Sikhs. How can you stop charitable Indian Muslim organizations from taking in Muslims?

For such reasons - I think "preparation" for the worst case is to ensure that the religion of refugees - especially Muslim or other Semitic can never be used against Hindus again no matter what their poobah or holy book says. That will have to be a bottom line forever. This requires internal restructuring within India as much as anything else. Secularism does not mean having your culture and beliefs raped and then pretending it never happened or acting as if it was always your fault or those of your specific ancestors.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Feb 2015 05:42

Tuvaluan wrote:The pakistani parade has been closed to the public for the past 8 years on fear of attacks. So the Paki army has made peace with the TTP or is confident it has decimated them with drone attacks? What is the reason for this new found courage....unless this year's parade is also mostly closed to the public.

Oh I am sure the Chinese President Chung Wa (or whatever) will have his security pukka in Pakistan. No worries there unlike the worries about Ombaba in India

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 03 Feb 2015 06:04

arshyam wrote:
Tuvaluan wrote:What is the reason for this new found courage....
My guess is echandee, given the incessant rona-dhona about being dropped from India-US dialogues. This is Bakis' way to attempting == : India invites Ombaba, Baki invites the guy with the 2nd largest economy, 11.

You invite 1, they invite 11. 11-1=10. 10:1 maintained.

Wonder if just military parade or also some dancing ayeshas! Lal lips massaje parlor should be able to supply. Also, is 11Jin really this idle, that he can take off a few days at 6-8 weeks Notice? What sort of governmand is the 11th economy running?

This year has been officially declared "Make Bakistan a desert year", wouldnt Salman have been a better guest?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Feb 2015 06:24

Peregrine wrote:Xi, Putin back India on UN terror charter against Pak

Peregrine ji, I will still approach with caution. China has to show more determination than mere platitudinous words.

China has at least on two earlier (2006 & 2008) occasions blocked the UNSC’s Taliban-Al Qaeda group from declaring Jama’at-ud-Dawah and its Emir, Hafeez Saeed from being included in the list of entities and persons proscribed under Resolution 1267. It put a technical hold on all these occasions demanding to see ‘more evidence’. In May 2009, after JuD and Hafeez Saeed were eventually placed on the list in Dec. 2008, China blocked Indian move to place Maulana Masood Azhar of Jaish-e-Mohammed on the same UN 1267 Committee list. Later, when India engaged China in counter-terrorism talks in July, 2011 and presented evidence about JeM and Maulana Masood Azhar, it summarily refused to re-visit that issue. It also rejected Indian requests to place Azzam Cheema and Abdul Rehman Makki of the LeT under the Al-Qaeda and Taliban sanctions list. In the UNSC, China remained the only country not to accede to this Indian request. The usual Chinese excuse has been “there is no single definition of terrorism” and hence China has avoided taking a clarified stand on it.