Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

[member_28652]

According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.

[partha]

According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.

Indian media is saying Modi called badmash regarding ICC WC.
Pakistan media is spinning it as Modi obeying Obama's orders.

If the call was really about ICC WC, then some quality trolling by Modi. Here they are the Pakis, expecting Modi to hand over Kashmir to them and he calls to chat about some cricket match

[Kashi]

According to Times Now Modi has called badmash. Cricket chit chat.

Indian media is saying Modi called badmash regarding ICC WC.
Pakistan media is spinning it as Modi obeying Obama's orders.

If the call was really about ICC WC, then some quality trolling by Modi. Here they are the Pakis, expecting Modi to hand over Kashmir to them and he calls to chat about some cricket match

Rediff says that S. Jaishankar will soon visit Pakistan and other SAARC nations, make what you can of it.

Paki media will surely spin it as Modi acting due to US pressure and how their "sources" were right all along that Obama leaned on Modi to restart the talks.

Not only that, Pakis can claim that while they have stuck to their stance on Kashmir, while India had to climbdown and forced to come to table.

[partha]

^
Yes, I expect that to happen. Hope GoI was thinking long term when they canceled the secretary level talks. Any hint of restarting talks and Pakis will claim victory.

[Gus]

does it mean, i will get more faristas to protect me when i eat pindi channa or rocket fuel rajma..

[Shreeman]

No, but you wont need a dog to scare the faristas.

[habal]

Paki comedian Umar Sharif admitting he wrote script for Aamir Khan's PK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEmfnnjo33U

[Shreeman]

Its not a bad idea to suggest all the faristas have left Bakistan.

If they existed, they would. Given the chance to leave, wouldnt you?

And of the four directions possoble, the sea and afghanistan==pakistan-- are out. India and Iran are thriving due to bakistani faristas.

Shouldnt it be the ghar wapasi of faristas that should be the top priority? Can anyone prove there is a single farista left in bakistan?

Why is this being brushed under the carpet?

[partha]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 229685.cms

Modi himself informed his counterpart Nawaz Sharif about the decision to resume foreign secretary-level dialogue with Pakistan. India had last year scheduled the same dialogue with Pakistan in August last year but cancelled it at the last moment after Pakistan high commissioner chose to meet Hurriyat leaders.

Islamabad has maintained all along since then that India would have to take the initiative for any resumption of dialogue between the two countries.

Basit had called on Jaishankar on Thursday to review ties between the two countries. During the meeting they also discussed the possibility of resuming dialogue.

Remember that report in Pak media soon after Obama's visit about resumption of talks in March?
What's the game plan here? Let's hope there is some chanakian strategy behind resumption of talks If MMS had done this, we would have screamed US stooge, Pak pasandi and what not? Sorry, just disappointed here a little. As I said, let's hope GoI has a solid plan.

[member_22733]

Important question is: Would Bakistanis show Bakistaniat by meeting Kashmiri separatists before (or after) the talks?

[Kashi]

Remember that report in Pak media soon after Obama's visit about resumption of talks in March?
What's the game plan here? Let's hope there is some chanakian strategy behind resumption of talks If MMS had done this, we would have screamed US stooge, Pak pasandi and what not? Sorry, just disappointed here a little. As I said, let's hope GoI has a solid plan.

I am sorry but I see no "chanakian strategy" here and yes if MMS had done this he would have been called all those names and rightfully so.

If GoI has a plan, I am unable to see comprehend this. Pakis have refused to climbdown from their stance, recently a consignment of drugs was intercepted in J&K and even the Paki ambassador said that MFN was all but out of question. Nothing has changed at the ground level. So why this change of heart from NM?

Extremely disappointed and baffled.

[Hari Seldon]

Doing the rounds on twitter. TIFWIW.

However wouldn't be surprised if its not a spoof.

[member_22733]

BTW folks. Modi might have called ganja badmash. That might be true. However, this is TOIlet PIMP gang we are talking about. Note the wording here:

Basit had called on Jaishankar on Thursday to review ties between the two countries. During the meeting they also discussed the possibility of resuming dialogue.

Discussing possibility of resuming dialogue is not the same as resuming dialogue. Its chai biskoot over chai biskoot. Hopefully the latter chai biskoot never happens.

[Tamang]

TOI: Terrorist attack in Pakistan, WATCH NOW!

[Shaktimaan]

10 killed and dozens injured in a blast outside a Shia mosque in Peshawar. Reports of a standoff with heavily armed peaceful folks also heard but not confirmed.

Edited with new information.

[Nitesh]

Hurrey This is friday, TSP never disappoints

[member_23370]

Damn friday the 13 and only 10. Shame!!! But there were 800 inside so chance of half century possible.

[SSridhar]

Raison d’être Aasim Sajjad Akhtar, DAWN

IT is nothing new for Pakistanis to be fed anti-India propaganda; it has, after all, been the staple diet in this country for the best part of 70 years. Still, the noticeable upsurge in inflammatory statements by government functionaries against the ‘traditional enemy’ in recent weeks demands interrogation. Especially when one considers that the PML-N talked up peace with Delhi in the lead-up to the 2013 general election, and for at least a few months afterwards.

The hawks will say that the government has been left with no choice given the recent ‘provocations’ of Indian military personnel. But even if one was to take at face value the claims that ‘they’ are causing all the mischief, border skirmishes have a long history, and getting overly worked up about them is a case of much ado about nothing.

The truth is that the Nawaz Sharif government has, on account of ‘dharna-gate’ and Peshawar, ceded virtually all policy space to the men in khaki. With this retreat has come a not altogether surprising memory recall about eternal enmity with our eastern neighbour.

Interestingly, things on the western border with Afghanistan appear to be going swimmingly. Functionaries on both sides, civilian as well as military, are issuing one feel-good statement after the other. Washington is, for once, satisfied with both Kabul and Islamabad (read: Rawalpindi), and ‘counterterrorism’ strategies are being mutually drawn up by all three sides.

I admit I am sceptical of Pakistani officialdom at the best of times, but the ‘love Afghanistan’ and ‘hate India’ policy of recent vintage is nothing short of exceptional. Our default foreign policy position features suspicion and rancour on both the western and eastern borders. The now notorious ‘strategic depth’ policy was based on the presumption that war with India was inevitable and that Afghanistan’s purported anti-Pakistani bias had to be overturned accordingly.

How, and why, has this straightforward conflict-laden worldview given way to the current scenario? My sense is that the powers-that-be, namely the US and China, have made clear that it is simply no longer acceptable to cultivate ‘strategic assets’ in Afghanistan. With regards to India, on the other hand, our uniformed guardians have been given slightly more leeway (by Beijing in particular).

Quite aside from the dictates of our foreign patrons, there is also the small matter of India being the security establishment’s raison d’être. The Pakistani state, since its inception, been dominated by the military under the guise that India poses an existential threat. Just the fact that this is not said so openly anymore — with ‘terrorism’ now invoked publicly instead — should not be taken to mean that the internal consensus within the military institution has dissipated. Aqil Shah’s recently published manuscript The Military and Democracy confirms as much.

India’s rulers have played as big a role in maintaining tensions between the two countries as their Pakistani counterparts. Some Indian regimes are more hawkish than other — the recent raising of temperatures between the two countries is explained in no small part by the hyper-nationalism of Narendra Modi and the ruling BJP.

The difference between the two neighbours is that political forces actually design and execute foreign policy in India — albeit in conjunction with the permanent state apparatus — whereas the military reigns supreme in Pakistan. More specifically, political regimes in this country that try and make policy autonomously of the men in khaki are almost inevitably cut down to size.

The most telling aspect of this entire calculus is so-called ‘public opinion’. Even today, as home-grown violence eats away at the body-politic, we Pakistanis can’t get enough of the tired explanation that foregrounds ‘India’s evil designs’. India’s ruling class also plays to the gallery, but the Pakistan factor in Indian politics is far less pronounced than in the opposite direction.

In the final analysis, we should be clear that peace at home, and in the neighbourhood at large, requires not a selective detente on our western border, but a renunciation of the policy of regional enmity in its entirety. In any case it is important not to lose sight of the fact that the current ‘friendship’ with Afghanistan is sponsored by imperialism — hardly the recipe for a sustainable peace.

Perhaps we do not want such a peace, and continue to believe that one or both of Afghanistan and India will eventually be wiped off the world’s map, pursuing whatever destructive policies we deem necessary to make this ‘dream’ of ours come true. How this wishful thinking can coexist alongside our supposed resolve to rid society of ‘terrorism’ is another matter altogether.

That India-enmity is the military’s raison d’être is old news — those of us who will be foaming at the mouth during Sunday’s World Cup match should bear in mind that we are equally responsible for sustaining permanent war with our neighbours {It should have been,"we are solely responsible . . ."}, and, by extension, in our own backyard.

[A_Gupta]

Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html

PS:

Prime Minister's remarks today came a day after Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit met Jaishankar yesterday. The meeting was described as a curtsey call by the officials.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation ... 41598.html

[Harish]

Toll is 19 now

[pankajs]

Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html

If I were the BakMil, I would start another round of border violation, at least make huge noise about heavy exchange of fire on the border, just before the Indian FS lands in Bakistan and test Modi's "You cannot hear each other while bombs are going off and bullets are flying"

[Altair]

Killed:22
Injured:60
Imran Khan tweeting he cannot visit as he is $hit scared: Priceless
For Everything else, there's MasterCard!!

[habal]

Positive spin on Modi's move:
http://www.firstpost.com/world/howzatt- ... 97333.html

If I were the BakMil, I would start another round of border violation, at least make huge noise about heavy exchange of fire on the border, just before the Indian FS lands in Bakistan and test Modi's "You cannot hear each other while bombs are going off and bullets are flying"

Ideally upon hearing of any such move by the ganja Sharif, the TSPA would have sent select SSG in mufti to arrange an ambush and do some spectacular atrocity at the border, like chop heads of a few soldiers etc.

But this time around, they seem to be spooked of something ..

[pankajs]

I would not rule out the possibility till the FS is back from Slumbad. There is still time and I hope out jawans are extra cautious from now till a week past the visit. Their risk/return; victory/defeat calculation is very different from the rest of the world

[SSridhar]

I am sorry but I see no "chanakian strategy" here and yes if MMS had done this he would have been called all those names and rightfully so.

If GoI has a plan, I am unable to see comprehend this. Pakis have refused to climbdown from their stance, recently a consignment of drugs was intercepted in J&K and even the Paki ambassador said that MFN was all but out of question. Nothing has changed at the ground level. So why this change of heart from NM?

Extremely disappointed and baffled.

I completely agree with you.

This is certainly coming because of pressure from Obama. The only saving grace for this government is that this 'talks before talks' (which is certainly a spin from our side) was preceded by a fierce response to border firing, which was not the case with the earlier government.

The Pakistanis who need frequent doses of testosterone-raising victories over India would certainly go to town on our FS's visit. What we have to see is whether there will be violations at the border between now and the proposed visit and what happens then. Or, what happens if firing or terror resumes after the talks begin.

The Pakistanis may feel that this point their tail is up with relationship developing with Afghanistan and the Chinese taking greater interest in Afghanistan etc.

[A_Gupta]

New book
http://www.upenn.edu/pennpress/book/15355.html
Pakistan's Enduring Challenges
C. Christine Fair and Sarah J. Watson, Editors

[menon s]

The threats for a fidayeen attack in K is already there. The world should not accuse us for not talking to pakis even after obama asked us to do so. Talks will however go forward if and only if terrorism falls.

[kancha]

I think pakis do this to every country.
Pakistan is really upset with US TV series 'Homeland' Season 4


Trolls will troll.

I wonder how much worse could it have gotten after this!

[A_Gupta]

Paki logic on display:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/national/1 ... istan-army

RAWALPINDI: Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Major-General Asim Bajwa Thursday said that India was funding terrorists in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Balochistan.

He said it was not possible for a local terrorist organisation, Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), to operate without external support and funding.

[Peregrine]

Long Article - very, very Intresting and Breathtaking - So posting in full. - X Posdted on IWT Thread

Pakistan braces for a water crisis

ISLAMABAD: Energy-starved Pakistanis, their economy battered by chronic fuel and electricity shortages, may soon have to contend with a new resource crisis: major water shortages, the Pakistani government warned this week.

A combination of global climate change and local waste and mismanagement have led to an alarmingly rapid depletion of Pakistan's water supply, said the minister for water and energy, Khawaja Muhammad Asif.

"Under the present situation, in the next six to seven years, Pakistan can be a water-starved country," Mr. Asif said in an interview, echoing a warning that he first issued at a news conference in Lahore this week.

The prospect of a major water crisis in Pakistan, even if several years distant, offers a stark reminder of a growing challenge in other poor and densely populated countries that are vulnerable to global climate change.

In Pakistan, it poses a further challenge to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, whose government has come under sharp criticism for failing to end the country's electricity crisis. In some rural areas, heavy rationing has meant that as little as four hours of electricity a day is available.

In the interview, Mr. Asif said the government had started to bring the electricity crisis under control, and predicted a return to a normal supply by 2017. But energy experts are less confident that such a turnaround is possible, given how long and complex the problem has proved to be.

Now the country's water supply looms as a resource challenge, intensified by Pakistan's enduring infrastructure and management problems.

Agriculture is a cornerstone of the Pakistani economy. The 2,000-mile-long Indus River, which rises in the Himalayas and spans the country, feeds a vast network of irrigation canals that line fields producing wheat, vegetables and cotton, all major sources of foreign currency. In the north, hydroelectric power stations are a cornerstone of the creaking power system.

A combination of melting glaciers, decreasing rainfall and chronic mismanagement by successive governments has put that water supply in danger, experts say.

In a report published in 2013, the Asian Development Bank described Pakistan as one of the most "water-stressed" countries in the world, with a water availability of 1,000 cubic meters per person per year — a fivefold drop since independence in 1947, and about the same level as drought-stricken Ethiopia.

"It is a very serious situation," said Pervaiz Amir, country director for the Pakistan Water Partnership. "I feel it is going to be more serious than the recent oil shortages."

Shortages of resources have climbed to the top of the political agenda in recent years. Fuel shortages last month, for which government officials blamed mismanagement by the national oil company, caused lengthy lines outside fuel stations that embarrassed the government at a time of low global oil prices.

Mr. Sharif's government was already grappling with the seemingly intractable electricity crisis, which regularly causes blackouts of 10 hours a day even in major cities. And Mr. Sharif has been visibly distracted by grueling political duels, with the opposition politician Imran Khan, who accuses him of stealing the 2013 election, and with powerful military leaders who have undermined his authority in key areas.

Mr. Asif, the water and energy minister, said the government had started to turn the corner. But he acknowledged that the country's resource problems were, to a large degree, endemic. "There is a national habit of extravagance," he said, noting that it extended across resource areas, whether gas, electricity or water.

"I will be very careful not to use the word 'drought,' but we are water stressed right now, and slowly, we are moving to be a water-starved country," he said.

Evidence of chronic water shortages have been painfully evident in some parts of Pakistan in recent years. A drought caused by erratic rainfall in Tharparkar, a desert area in southern Sindh Province, caused a humanitarian emergency in the region last year.

"The frequency of monsoon rains has decreased but their intensity has increased," said Mr. Amir of the Pakistan Water Partnership. "That means more water stress, particularly in winters."Therefore the Phloods

Water is also tied to nationalist, even jihadist, politics in Pakistan. For years, religious conservatives and Islamist militants have accused rival India, where the Indus River system rises, of constricting Pakistan's water supply.

Hafiz Saeed, the leader of the militant group that carried out the 2008 attacks in Mumbai, India, Lashkar-e-Taiba, regularly rails against Indian "water terrorism" during public rallies.

Mr. Asif said that contrary to such claims, India was not building reservoirs on rivers that flow into Pakistan. "We will never let it happen," he said, citing the Indus Water Treaty, an agreement between the two countries that was brokered by the World Bank and signed in the 1960s.

One major culprit in Pakistan's looming water crisis, experts say, is the country's inadequate water storage facilities. In India, about one-third of the water supply is stored in reservoirs, compared with just 9 percent in Pakistan, Amir said.

"We built our last dam 46 years ago," he said. "India has built 4,000 dams, with another 150 in the pipeline."

Experts say the country's chaotic policies are hurting its image in the eyes of Western donorswho could help alleviate the mounting resource crises.

"The biggest looming crisis is of governance, not water — which could make this country unlivable in the next few years," said Arshad H. Abbasi, a water and energy expert with the Sustainable Development and Policy Institute, a research group based in Islamabad.

Pakists say : We are not like you Evil Indian Hindus who have a bath in the moooooorning and then in the evennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnning. We Pakistanis bathe Dur Rooz Jumay Kay Jumay - Every Day on Friday, Every Day on Friday, Every Day on Friday.

Cheers

[RamSuresh]

Out of curiosity.

Can India resume talks in a tough tone if three messages are delivered?

1. Border peace is non negotiable. It looks like this message has been delivered with the disproportionate response.
2. Talk to the Government, not militants. This was also delivered publicly.
3. We have the capacity to hurt. Since Doval has been on the job for 8+ months, can India gently remind Pak that it has the capability to hurt. Has this capacity been sufficiently created?

If we can now send the third message too, wont it be better to talk, talk confidently, rather than stay publicly withdrawn?

[pankajs]

Yes, having regular chai biscut is better optics IF we are eventually pulled back to the table. If bakis try some tactical stuff, instead of cancelling the talks ensure that the bakis leave the talks extremely frustrated. As they say "pressure lele ka nahin dene ka hai". It will convey your extreme displeasure at the same time keeping the world off our back.

It is much better than the optics of having to go back to the talking table under external pressure after we've done some tough talking and taken a hardline position.

Lets see how the present gov spins this whole thing. I am pretty sure they will allow the media and Bakis to dictate the narrative looking at these past days.

If I were in decision making chain, I would ensure a *leak* suggesting talks only on Mumbai prosecution and followup. Take that position during the FS meeting and let Bakis make an issue out of it. That IMHO is a way out.

[kish]

Gen. Machod Musharaf calls "Hinduism" as anti-human rights, that baastad was invited for "Leadership Summit"

Amaan-ki-Tamasha group get interviews from him.

The army remains deeply suspicious of India, a country that has beaten Pakistan in three conflicts since independence and played a critical role in the secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan in 1971. Musharraf insists he is not an “India hater”, but bristles at what he says is western bias towards Pakistan’s giant neighbour. “‘India is the greatest democracy, promoter of human rights and democratic culture’? All bullshit,” he said. “There is no human rights. The religion itself is anti-human rights. In the rural areas, if even the shadow of an untouchable goes on a pandit, that man can be killed.”

Musharraf: Pakistan and India's backing for 'proxies' in Afghanistan must stop

[member_22733]

Ram Sureshji,

A society that kills about 130 kids and hundreds of additional people in a span of 2 - 3 month and STILL does not like to introspect cannot be a rational society. It may become rational when the real power brokers are staring at the possibility of getting their 72.

Talking about mutual disputes is what rational people do, that is a rational behavior and its called negotiations. Obviously for Bakistan, due to its irrationality, the response to this rational behavior will not be rational, as it will be based on their highly distorted perception of reality.

Note how many wild crazy theories were being spun by ex-Jernials and SASSI type crazies after Ombaba visited India and not Bakistan. The serving jernails wont be too far off in the crazy CT department. We laugh at the youtube videos showing the crazy bakis, but these CTs unfortunately have real implications to us. Let me explain:

One popular CT has been: "If India talks to us, we won! we have raisin dieter".

The problem with CT is that you start drawing correlations that does not exist. For ex: If they imagine that crying out loudly to unkil and his poodle about "nukular flashpoint" causes India to "talk" to them. This may not be the ground reality at all, Modi maybe genuinely trying this out from his heart or the Indian defense think tanks may have found one reason or the other to pick up the phone and talk. THe Bakis wont think of that! For them they "figured out" that crying "nukular flashpoint" is what got US/UK to force India and India obliged them, just as Bakis always do.

What do you think the Baki actions would be after the talks start? They will find a way to create a "nukular flashpoint", and then cry even more. The Indian side will be left scratching their heads on trying to figure out what happened and they will be met by our resident Bakis (aka WKKs) who will try to blame India for the breaking up of dialogue. THe problem is not with the Indian side, the problem is that Bakis are unable to see reality.

There is absolutely no point in talking to them

[Karan M]

kish, thats fine, thats what the poories, the saggy ghoses, turddesais and burkhas also believe. its all same thought process.

[Peregrine]

Cwapistan’s Foreign Exchange as on 06-02-2015

Total Reserves..:….US$ 15,238.2 Billion

With State Bank :….US$ 10,416.6 Billion of which USD$ 2 Billion from Brotherly Islamic Countriesand US$ 1.5 Billion from Saudi Barberia. On deduction of all other similar "Prop-Up" Loans the Land of the Pure and Home of the Terrorist should have about US$ Five Billion or so. This would include the IMF, World Bank etc.

With Comm Banks : US$ 04,821.6 Billion– Private Holdings. Not available to the Cwapistan Govt.

India Total Foreign Exchange with Reserve Bank of India :

23-01-2015 : US$ 322.0376 Billion

06-02-2015 : US$ 330.2134 Billion

Increase in Two Weeks : US$ 8.1758 Billion

Cwapistan should now ask its Four Fathers to make Cwapistan Equal to India by giving a Baksheesh of US$ 330 Billion.

Cheers

[CRamS]

Discussing possibility of resuming dialogue is not the same as resuming dialogue. Its chai biskoot over chai biskoot. Hopefully the latter chai biskoot never happens.

I would not put a spin on this. ModiJi has climbed down of sorts after the lecturing US presidential visit. Has TSP delivered on any of India's demands? Some things may not be visible in the sense that TSP is not going to wave the white surrender flag, but if there has been some behind the scenes acquiescence to India's demands, then maybe a hand shake here or there is OK. This TSP abomination should just be minor factor in India's overall foreign polcy.

[member_22733]

I am not putting a spin on it. I am just trying to be factual. In my opinion, talking about talks is also a mistake. Dont talk to Bakis, especially if its due to external pressure. It gives Bakis wet dreams of victory and it also gives an external entity a "well known path" to make India and Bakistan to talk.

If it were to me, then absolutely no talks with Bakistan. Period. I would hurt them and find ways to hurt them relentlessly until they themselves come to me and start begging on my terms.

If I were feeling big hearted, I will start talks only when I know that Bakistan will not imagine wild theories about why I decided to talk.

[CRamS]

LokeshCJi, I agree with you. But man, just think of the pressures an Indian PM is under, both internal and external to make p!ss with this abomination. ModiJi can talk tough while in opposition, but there are realities he is up against when in office.

[pankajs]

That is why my suggestion saars is to talk and talk tough on Mumbai. Make the Bakis scream unkill.