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Tuvaluan wrote:April 1st is a good day for Musharraf's musharraf.
Talking about Mush, One Indian asked Paki Standing across Attari that Pakistan Mey Koi Nahi Jammya jisne Maa Ka Doodh Piya owrr Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Sikhsdev Ki tarah Hasta Hasta Phansi pey Charr Gya.
Paki Was ashamed and he said, Janab Pakistan Mey Aissa Nahi Ho sakta.
Kyon Bc ? Shouted Indian.
Paki said, Ji Humme Bachpan se sikhaya Jaat Hai ki Indian Maa Ka Doodh Peetey Hai or Hum Indian Nahi Hai,hamey maa Ka Nahi but Baaap ka Doodh Pilaya Jaata Hai.
paki boots on the ground and subsequent causality statistics in Yeman is a great opportunity for India on 2 counts
1) RAW has the potential to exacerbate the sectarian divide in pigistan
2) Kashmir has ~10% Shia population. Read somewhere that ISI slave seperatist Sayed ali shah geelani is Shia.
Saudi Arabia-Pakistan:Pakistani news services reported that Saudi authorities today formally requested Pakistani ground forces to assist in the campaign against the Houthis in Yemen. According to the news report, the Saudis said Pakistani ground forces are essential to the success of the campaign. The Pakistanis supposedly made no commitment.
Comment: The Pakistani delegation in Riyadh was empowered to reassure Saudi Arabia that Pakistan would defend its sovereignty, according to open sources. However, it is likely that the leaders of both countries reached a more substantive and relevant agreement on the conditions for the deployment of a Pakistan Army contingent, but they are unwilling to admit that in public. The Pakistani government is far too indebted to Saudi Arabia to refuse an official Saudi request for Pakistani troops.
Exactly, it is accompanied by DF-21, Jordan F-16 and Surprise IMF and direct cash gifts. Also PAA leadership must be also getting direct cash transfers. Many forget TSPA usefulneess to Saudi as its eastern wing. and how that is critically alinged with US Western European and Chinese policy.
One hour well spent. Thank you, What clarity of thought!
Excellent. 75% done. Paused to post this quote by Doval from Q&A. Question is about how prepared are Indian security agencies to deal with the fall out from US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan and in general challenges posed by the most dangerous neighborhood -
Indian civilization is prepared to wait for 5 years, 50 years, 500 years. The game is not over till we win.
He also said Indian security establishment is fully capable of handling threats from Pakistan / Taliban. There should be no worries. Just that political will is needed and that we need right people in the political leadership. Mashallah, he got what he wished for.
He also said Pakistan is in a "very very vulnerable" position today and that it faces an existential threat like never before.
On Al-Qaeda, he disagreed with POTUS and GOTUS opinion that Al-Qaeda has been weakened significantly and that end of Al-Qaeda is within US's reach. He says Al-Qaeda problem has been transformed from a central one to a distributed one. Central Al-Qaeda has been weakened, yes but it has given rise to several Al-Qaeda franchises all over the world.
partha wrote:
He also said Pakistan is in a "very very vulnerable" position today and that it faces an existential threat like never before.
Yes I was struck by this - coming from Doval it means something. It could have a bearing on how Pakistan is dealt with by India - unless one sees every Indian action (and absence of action) as all being derived out of weakness and capitulation and reception of dictation from someone else.
ISLAMABAD: Chinese President Xi Jinping is likely to arrive in Pakistan next week for a two-day visit that will help the two neighbouring countries to deepen their economic and strategic ties.
Although there is no official announcement yet, the Chinese president is likely to visit on April 9, officials told The Express Tribune on the condition of anonymity on Wednesday.
A non-bailable arrest warrant was issued on Thursday against former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf by a court here for repeatedly failing to appear in the 2007 murder case of Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi.
An Islamabad district and sessions court judge rejected Mr. Musharraf’s plea for exemption from appearance and issued the non-bailable arrest warrant against the former president. The court adjourned the hearing till April 27.
partha wrote:On Al-Qaeda, he disagreed with POTUS and GOTUS opinion that Al-Qaeda has been weakened significantly and that end of Al-Qaeda is within US's reach. He says Al-Qaeda problem has been transformed from a central one to a distributed one. Central Al-Qaeda has been weakened, yes but it has given rise to several Al-Qaeda franchises all over the world.
There were some recent reports in the US media with reference to the OBL document stash that has validated his position on Al-keeda.
I think it is time for MAD to do some tactical aggression on Pakistan. Put pressure on Pakistan, be it on the LoC, or on the sea, for example for kidnapping our fishermen. Sink a Paki naval ship or two.
Make it known to the Saudis-Emiratis-Qataris that if they want their Paki mercenary force for Yemen, they would have to pay India more than they pay those mercenaries. Take a steep price.
Secondly if Pakistan goes into Yemen, India should see to it, that all those Pakis meet their Keema-Pressers as soon as possible with maximum publicity. India should help Houthis with some form of SAM, be it Akash or something else. After all if the Houthis can hold back the Sunni onslaught, then that would be excellent publicity for our weapon systems, and would let the Sunnis know that they can't ignore India.
We need to be in this war, without dragging Republic of India's good name too much into it. This is where the need for some mercenary force or proxies shows up!
I think a Zaidi nation (Shi'a but a little different) at the tip of the Arabian Peninsula would be excellent for India and keeping Saudis in check! We need some way of putting direct pressure on them as well.
SSridhar wrote:From NightWatch for the night of April 1, 2015
Saudi Arabia-Pakistan:Pakistani news services reported that Saudi authorities today formally requested Pakistani ground forces to assist in the campaign against the Houthis in Yemen. According to the news report, the Saudis said Pakistani ground forces are essential to the success of the campaign. The Pakistanis supposedly made no commitment.
Comment: The Pakistani delegation in Riyadh was empowered to reassure Saudi Arabia that Pakistan would defend its sovereignty, according to open sources. However, it is likely that the leaders of both countries reached a more substantive and relevant agreement on the conditions for the deployment of a Pakistan Army contingent, but they are unwilling to admit that in public. The Pakistani government is far too indebted to Saudi Arabia to refuse an official Saudi request for Pakistani troops.
Paki government & generals don't care about mango Paki including the mango paki troops, and we all know that. They are fully capable of striking a deal with Saudi to send Paki troops fully clothed in Saudi army attire (similar to the request to paint the US origin Paki national bird with Paki air force markings). It is a win-win. Saudis have troops that can actually fight and Pakis have their usual deniability. That's all that matters.
^^ Well if they do display that tactical brilliance, it's likely nothing that the public display by the Houthis of a few Urdu or Punjabi speaking POWs won't dispel.
In general, while I'd love to see BakFauj deploy brigade strength and more troops on the ground as soon as can be, it would be as entertaining to seem them get sucked in slowly if it means they find it harder to then disengage. I seem to recall that American involvement in Vietnam started with a few advisors. Perhaps we should 'encourage' Eye-ran to create a few more battlegrounds so that the Bakis can ride to the rescue of the Saudis multiple times in multiple places....
As someone I know once quipped, the west is peddling bullsh1t that the taliban is going to get access to Pakistan's nukes. Nobody can get access Pakistan's nukes before paying market rates for it first
Can the Mir Jaffar DNA, tactically brilliant, coup pasand, atimi takat, boastful, treacherous, two faced lying Paki resist the temptation to do a strategic depth of a vulnerable KSA?
RajeshA wrote:I think it is time for MAD to do some tactical aggression on Pakistan. Put pressure on Pakistan, be it on the LoC, or on the sea, for example for kidnapping our fishermen. Sink a Paki naval ship or two.
Make it known to the Saudis-Emiratis-Qataris that if they want their Paki mercenary force for Yemen, they would have to pay India more than they pay those mercenaries. Take a steep price.
Secondly if Pakistan goes into Yemen, India should see to it, that all those Pakis meet their Keema-Pressers as soon as possible with maximum publicity. India should help Houthis with some form of SAM, be it Akash or something else. After all if the Houthis can hold back the Sunni onslaught, then that would be excellent publicity for our weapon systems, and would let the Sunnis know that they can't ignore India.
We need to be in this war, without dragging Republic of India's good name too much into it. This is where the need for some mercenary force or proxies shows up!
I think a Zaidi nation (Shi'a but a little different) at the tip of the Arabian Peninsula would be excellent for India and keeping Saudis in check! We need some way of putting direct pressure on them as well.
RajeshA :
I bow down to your superior knowledge in these matters but the only course open to India is to stay totally neutral. It can - sagaciously - offer both sides advice but only if asked otherwise stay away from the conflict. For it is well said : Koylay ki dalaali meing mounh kala!
shiv wrote:
But more recently my mind has been made to ask different questions after reading Edward Said's "Orientalism". This article and Patai's book are both just two works that continue the tradition of utter western contempt for the Orient in general and the Arabs in particular. As long as the books poke fun at Islamism and Islamist idiocy they strike a resonant chord in my heart. But beyond a point the material seeks to show the "other" as a complete idiot who simply cannot have the intellectual and cultural prowess of the European - especially the Anglo-American.
Of course, the Houthi, as Shia, worship the wrong version of Allah, from the Saudi perspective. But that didn’t bother the Saudis, or the Americans, or the British, or the Israelis, back in the 1960s when they all joined hands (in a very non-peace-and-love way) to wipe out the modernizing Yemeni.
Arabs are reduced to choosing which Allah and which Emir to support because a half-century alliance between the worst oligarchies in the West and the most reactionary elements in their countries wiped out the alternative. That’s why it’s so grotesque to hear right-wingers blaming the Arabs for the lack of commitment to democracy and even more ridiculous that Leftists demand respect for fascist thugs like Islamic State, as if they were the voice of the Muslim people.
These sectarian wars are what’s left when you’ve killed everybody else who was attempting to provide Arabs with an effective, secular, modern existence.
In India's neighborhood, the Americans, Pakistanis, Saudis, etc., united to kill off a secularizing Afghanistan (I guess better Islamic than socialist?).
VikasRaina wrote:^ Do not think Islamists of any grade or shade (Shia,Sunni, Bohra blah blah) will pick Kaffir side even when being slaughtered by fellow Islamists.
No disagreement with you. Faithfools will never collaborate with kaffir, my argument is "Yemen" is a fantastic opportunity to play spoiler in pakisatan (exacerbate the sectarian divide). The more pakisatan is in turmoil with sectarian clashes, the better it is for India.
As a bonus, we can manage the cashmir issue by exposing 'Shia' ISI slaves like syed ali shah geelani.
IMO, the day pakis commit ground troops to Yemen to fight against 'Shia' houthis is as big as west pakisatan committing ground troops in east pakisatan/bangladesh. India has potential to destabilize pakisatan, what security agencies have in mind & how they are going to implement is open for debate.
Ya'allah kufr yindoos managed to bring back its citizens, plus some citizens of bangladesh. Brave bakis made headlines about bringing back its citizens, but yet to fulfill its promise
Can the Mir Jaffar DNA, tactically brilliant, coup pasand, atimi takat, boastful, treacherous, two faced lying Paki resist the temptation to do a strategic depth of a vulnerable KSA?
More like getting trapped in Yemen as muskeen, while paki ambassador ran away too.
More it seems that pakis are great descendants of shershah suri (who renamed uttarpanth quickly) only in India. Outside the inbred bunch pretend to be Araps/Chinese/ or even "Indian when caught red handed" (South Asian?).
The Bakis think like this:
- Terrorist strike on India.
- Indian Cold Start begins
- Pakis nuke Cold Start troops
- India retaliates and destroys TSP
- Sub based nukes strike India.
So where is deterrent stability in this thinking?
None.
RIYADH: Saudi Defence Ministry’s spokesman Brig Gen Ahmed Asiri has said that Pakistan has offered to join the coalition against the Houthis and would be sending troops to the kingdom.
The spokesman was quoted by the Saudi media as having said at his daily media briefing on the Operation Al-Hazm Storm on Wednesday night. “Pakistan has also offered to join the coalition against the Houthis. …Pakistan would be sending troops to the kingdom” he said. When asked about the Saudi statement, Foreign Office spokesperson Tasneem Aslam said: “Our position remains as contained in the statements made in the last few days.” Saudi Arabia has no “formal” troops on the ground in Aden, Yemen, but deployment of ground troops remains a possibility, the kingdom’s ambassador to the United States has said. “The issue of using ground troops is always something that is on the table,” Saudi Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir said at an event in Washington. His comments come after a presidential source denied to Al Arabiya News Channel that the Houthis have taken control of government buildings in Aden. Saudi Arabia is leading a military campaign which aims to impede Houthi progress in the embattled country.
Since it was first announced, the Saudi Arabia-led war in Yemen has developed very rapidly. Air strikes have already hit numerous targets, resulting in many civilian deaths. The Saudis do not seem to be prepared to watch Yemen’s long-running domestic turmoil become a full-blown collapse.
Cheers
Pakistani American woman Asia Siddiqui charged in New York with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction
NEW YORK: Two women who were roommates in Queens, New York, Noelle Velentzas and Asia Siddiqui, have been charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction in the United States.The defendants have repeatedly expressed their support for violent jihad, according to the Justice Department.In or about 2009, Siddiqui, a Pakistani American, published a poem in a magazine published by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula that exhorted readers to wage jihad and declared that there is “[n]o excuse to sit back and wait – for the skies rain martyrdom.”Siddiqui also “became close” with Samir Khan in 2006, while he was living in the US, say the documents. Khan later became the editor of Inspire magazine, the Al-Qaeda magazine. He was killed in a drone strike in Yemen, in 2011.More recently, Velentzas, who has characterized al-Qaeda founder Osama Bin Laden as one of her heroes, and had his picture on her cellphone, declared that she and Siddiqui are “citizens of the Islamic State” – a reference to the foreign terrorist organization that is also known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).Less than two weeks ago, Velentzas, asked whether she had heard the news about the recent arrest of a former U.S. airman who had attempted to travel to Syria to wage jihad and stated that she did not understand why people were traveling overseas to engage in jihad when there were more opportunities of “pleasing Allah” in the United States.Since at least August 2014, the defendants have allegedly plotted to construct an explosive device for use in a terrorist attack on American soil, say the charges. In their self-proclaimed effort to “make history,” the defendants researched numerous explosive precursors. For instance, they researched and acquired some of the components of a car bomb, like the one used in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; a fertilizer bomb, like the one used in the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City; and a pressure cooker bomb, like the one used in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing.The investigation recently revealed that the defendants possessed propane gas tanks together with instructions from an online jihadist publication for transforming propane tanks into explosive devices.“These defendants allegedly engaged in sustained efforts to obtain bomb-making instructions and materials, including using instructions provided by al-Qaeda’s online magazine,” said NYPD Police Commissioner William J. Bratton.If convicted, both defendants face life imprisonment.
Of course, the Houthi, as Shia, worship the wrong version of Allah, from the Saudi perspective. But that didn’t bother the Saudis, or the Americans, or the British, or the Israelis, back in the 1960s when they all joined hands (in a very non-peace-and-love way) to wipe out the modernizing Yemeni.
In India's neighborhood, the Americans, Pakistanis, Saudis, etc., united to kill off a secularizing Afghanistan (I guess better Islamic than socialist?).
From the same link:
Arabs were getting very “modern” at that time. It’s important to remember that. You know why they stopped getting modern, and started getting interested in reactionary, Islamist repression?
Because the modernizing Arabs were all killed by the US, Britain, Israel, and the Saudis.
That was what happened in the North Yemen Civil War, from 1962-1967. After a coup, Nasser backed modernist Yemeni officers against the new Shia ruler. The Saudis might not have liked Shia, but they hated secularist, modernizing nationalists much more. At least the Northern Shia kings ruled by divine right and invoked Allah after their heretical fashion. That was much better, to the Saudi view, than a secular Yemen.
And the west agreed. To the Americans of that time, “secular” sounded a little bit commie. To the British, it sounded anti-colonial and unprofitable. To the Israelis, it raised the horrible specter of an Arab world ruled by effective 20th-century executives. States like that might become dangerous enemies, while an Arab world stuck in religious wars, dynastic feuds, and poverty sounded wonderful.
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So where is deterrent stability in this thinking?
None.
Ramanaji, wasn't that obvious from the way every stupid colonel, general, and brigadier redefined pakistan's "nuclear red line" on a whim, starting from "attack on paki soil" to "undeclared red line" (until the next time it is declared by someone in the paki army/establishment). The pakis believe that using a nuke on India will be the end of the story, just like how Musharraf sold the kargil attack to Benazir Bhutto allegedly (and her response, and then what about the day after? which left the paki army stumped).
Just saw this in the time line of paki wannabe called Rana Ayyub, ex-tehelka "journalist" and modi baiter for a long time. Note that this was tweeted in all seriousness to Indicate that PM NaMo did an about turn after the Obama visit, just like the claims of some folks here.
Rana Ayyub @RanaAyyub · Mar 25
Good to see modi sarkaar do a 360 on pakistan since the obama visit.
Paki army drone/strategeric anal-ist Ejaz Haider working overtime to pretend that Pakistan is *NOT* sending F-22s to Yemen
EH @ejazhaider · 6h 6 hours ago
#Twitter twits and twats ka haal yeh hai that they actually thought Pakistan is sending F-22 aircraft to #Yemen! #F22P Frigates!
and the paki establishment also simultaenously denying that the Paki army is ever going to send boots on the ground in Yemen -- that will make all the jihadi scum in Pakistan/PoK and elsewhere go over wholesale to YEmen to get slaughtered...we don't want that now do we...that will just make Pakistan less islamic, which makes us all very sad.
This pretentious army drone Ejaz Haider has his own little pro-army TV propaganda show called Baylaag.
EH @ejazhaider the Bebsi-drinking al-Bakistanis wanting to jump into the fray on the side of #KSA should take heed from what @HinaRKhar said on #Baylaag
How long before Houthis will be crushed in Yeman if armies of 10-15 nations backed up by Uncle declare Jehad upon them. Iran may have opened another front to relieve pressure in Iraq/Syria, but I doubt if the campaign can be sustained by Houthis alone for long unless then can quickly inflict mortal losses to the Jehadi forces and keep the territory.
Pakis,Egyptions and African nations can provide foot soldiers while KSA.UAE etc. can bring in money and ammunition and off course Generals.
I personally do not see much hope for Houthis when it comes to retaining the territory or kicking back the Jehadi forces.
